How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[bitterguy28]

They're coming to that point because they think that it's going to give them a refund with their losses.

They could expect compensation, but that will not be granted by the casinos. These losers can create or destroy the name of the casino, but without proper evidence, they won't get the attention of the community in the forum to support them.

Their main target is to destroy each casino they wanted to dump but the problem is that like what your said , its about the proper evidence because they cannot lol.
some of them present something but after evaluation and after casino answering their accusation, they will end up nothing but gone.

Newbies are mostly throwaway accounts. Once they've served their purpose, they'll be discarded, as new ones can easily be created for their schemes. That's why, as responsible users, we should be aware of these newbies. They not only can be victims, but they could also victimize others by ruining the reputation of a casino if we easily get convinced by their stories.

indeed, digging this whole gambling section and scam accusations , we will find tons of newbies account that being discarded and never going online again after their thread creation .

[Saint-loup]

People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that. So you should take that into account instead of thinking and implicitly saying they are scammers or some kind of scammers. Because I don't really understand how they would make money by simply hurting casino reputations. You really think some competitors could do that in order to try to get more customers? Crypocurrencies and offshore locations allow to easily scam people because customers have no actual recourses against those companies, you shouldn't forget that IMO.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that

True, I often have that impression as well.
Many people know too well how this forum works when they are making their first post and it happens to be right in the scam accusation section.
I also often wonder why they would find this forum of all places, it makes more sense to use trustpilot, askgamblers and other sites to air out their frustration. So the simplest conclusion is they already know this forum because they are already a member, just don't want to out themselves as a gambler maybe.

[piebeyb]

Actually, I don't really care about the cases accused by newbie accounts in this forum because they could be business competitors who want to bring down other businesses that are active in this forum, so for me it's not strange to see business competition using dirty methods like that, paying people to bring down sites that really have a good reputation in this forum and try to bring them down, I don't want to mention the sites but we find a lot of them here, they come using newbie accounts and accuse sites that are already trusted in this forum.

But back to each other's views, sometimes there are also those who are truly honest who experienced the cases they wrote about because they just discovered this forum so they use a new account to accuse the site in this forum because maybe the site is more active here, but the assessment still comes back to their views. each user because accusations without evidence cannot be fully trusted, they must provide complete evidence so that everyone can accept and support the accusation and fully believe it.

[iv4n]

People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that

I don't see why anyone should be ashamed if they are cheated by a casino in any way, after all, it is the casino that should be ashamed if they cheat their players in any way.

In the end, it is the evidence itself that counts. But I think the use of a real account should contribute to the weight of the accusation, most people believe more easily someone who has been a member of the forum for a long time, especially if he is active and has a good trust rating.

[wxa7115]

People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that

I don't see why anyone should be ashamed if they are cheated by a casino in any way, after all, it is the casino that should be ashamed if they cheat their players in any way.

In the end, it is the evidence itself that counts. But I think the use of a real account should contribute to the weight of the accusation, most people believe more easily someone who has been a member of the forum for a long time, especially if he is active and has a good trust rating.

Agreed, casinos that scam their customers are the ones doing something wrong, and even if sometimes the gambler also made a lot of mistakes by ignoring our warnings and still gamble at a casino with a poor reputation, at the end the casino is the one wrong here.

And for what I have seen, it does not seem as if forum members get ashamed of getting scammed, and instead they prefer to use their regular account instead of creating a new one, as they know that in this way other forum members will take their warning more seriously and they can protect others from being scammed.

[delfastTions]

People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that

I don't see why anyone should be ashamed if they are cheated by a casino in any way, after all, it is the casino that should be ashamed if they cheat their players in any way.

In the end, it is the evidence itself that counts. But I think the use of a real account should contribute to the weight of the accusation, most people believe more easily someone who has been a member of the forum for a long time, especially if he is active and has a good trust rating.

Agreed, casinos that scam their customers are the ones doing something wrong, and even if sometimes the gambler also made a lot of mistakes by ignoring our warnings and still gamble at a casino with a poor reputation, at the end the casino is the one wrong here.

And for what I have seen, it does not seem as if forum members get ashamed of getting scammed, and instead they prefer to use their regular account instead of creating a new one, as they know that in this way other forum members will take their warning more seriously and they can protect others from being scammed.

This truly is the right thing for a player and forum user to do.  Of course, if a user or client of a casino has such a predilection that the casino, in his opinion, did something wrong and violated the client’s rights, then h he should definitely write about it on the forum.  But at the same time, do not forget that the confidence that the casino deceived you must be accurate and at least slightly consistent with the ToS of this casino.  Quite often, the player simply understood the rules in his own way and thought that the casino would do it as he imagined.  But the casino itself does things differently and does what it considers profitable for itself.  In most cases, the casino formally does the right thing, from its point of view.  But still, a bitter aftertaste and the feeling that you were deceived remain with the player for a long time. 
And indeed, many do not hide this and write corresponding posts on the forum or on social networks.

[TheUltraElite]

The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem.

I think the DT members act as a good enough judge as to whether the casino needs a flagging or tagging. This is as much as the forum mechanics allow us to do and I feel the job is being done well by them.

There is also the thread by @holydarkness where you can see the currently running cases on different casinos out there and what their current status is, of course after being investigated if they are valid or not.

[list ] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum

Most of the valid ones get solved eventually, which if why I dont see a problem. But yes there loads of invalid ones and they get ignored.[/list]

[Hamphser]

The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem.

I think the DT members act as a good enough judge as to whether the casino needs a flagging or tagging. This is as much as the forum mechanics allow us to do and I feel the job is being done well by them.

There is also the thread by @holydarkness where you can see the currently running cases on different casinos out there and what their current status is, of course after being investigated if they are valid or not.

[list ] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum

Most of the valid ones get solved eventually, which if why I dont see a problem. But yes there loads of invalid ones and they get ignored.[/list]

Yes, this is something the beauty of this forum on which we do have those DT on where  they could really be make their own judgment and of course it will really be basing up with those solid proofs and evidences
before they would really be painting up red. We do know on how serious for it to have some negative trust specially on a gambling business. On the moment that they would be tagged out then it would really be neither those companies or platforms be that having a tainted reputation and this isnt something good. So if ever there would really be some issues and been that evaluated well not only by the DT of this
forum but also with the help with some community members then it would really be able to find out whether it would really be a legit accusation or just simply trolling.

[Agbe]

I don't believed that someone would just create account and accused a casino of scamming with participating in the casino. And only thing I will consider for casino side, the person might not give the accurate information about the scam but there would be no automatic false in the accusation. The person might missed some vital information in the accusation and that does not make it invalid. The casinos have to do the right thing. And those who create those scam accusation threads need solutions for their problems and those who can contribute to those threads to either advise or counseling. There is no big deal, those commenters are not part of the game so they can't do anything except to tell the representative to inform the casino Abu the accusation to solve it. In my beliefs before someone creates an accusation thread, they most have gotten some disagreement with the casino.

[AmoreJaz]

I don't believed that someone would just create account and accused a casino of scamming with participating in the casino. And only thing I will consider for casino side, the person might not give the accurate information about the scam but there would be no automatic false in the accusation. The person might missed some vital information in the accusation and that does not make it invalid. The casinos have to do the right thing. And those who create those scam accusation threads need solutions for their problems and those who can contribute to those threads to either advise or counseling. There is no big deal, those commenters are not part of the game so they can't do anything except to tell the representative to inform the casino Abu the accusation to solve it. In my beliefs before someone creates an accusation thread, they most have gotten some disagreement with the casino.

This is the very reason why whenever there is scam accusation, better understand what's going on and gauge where the user is coming from as you can already see if he is telling the truth or just throwing baseless accusation to the site.  

We can understand that some of these users are desperate to get out their funds from the casino, but they need to know if what they are accusing to the site is indeed valid. Because the casino has their ToS, and most of them failed to at least even browse those conditions, and so they are prone to violating such terms.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I don't believed that someone would just create account and accused a casino of scamming with participating in the casino. And only thing I will consider for casino side, the person might not give the accurate information about the scam but there would be no automatic false in the accusation. The person might missed some vital information in the accusation and that does not make it invalid. The casinos have to do the right thing. And those who create those scam accusation threads need solutions for their problems and those who can contribute to those threads to either advise or counseling. There is no big deal, those commenters are not part of the game so they can't do anything except to tell the representative to inform the casino Abu the accusation to solve it. In my beliefs before someone creates an accusation thread, they most have gotten some disagreement with the casino.

Of course, why else going through the trouble.
I mean, sure there some individuals that use our forum to blackmail casinos because they know these sites are advertising here and want to maintain a certain reputation in the forum. These scammer users though have experience here and often multiple accounts, not only here but at the casino as well, that's why they got blocked in the first place mostly.

[Oilacris]

I don't believed that someone would just create account and accused a casino of scamming with participating in the casino. And only thing I will consider for casino side, the person might not give the accurate information about the scam but there would be no automatic false in the accusation. The person might missed some vital information in the accusation and that does not make it invalid. The casinos have to do the right thing. And those who create those scam accusation threads need solutions for their problems and those who can contribute to those threads to either advise or counseling. There is no big deal, those commenters are not part of the game so they can't do anything except to tell the representative to inform the casino Abu the accusation to solve it. In my beliefs before someone creates an accusation thread, they most have gotten some disagreement with the casino.

This is the very reason why whenever there is scam accusation, better understand what's going on and gauge where the user is coming from as you can already see if he is telling the truth or just throwing baseless accusation to the site.  

We can understand that some of these users are desperate to get out their funds from the casino, but they need to know if what they are accusing to the site is indeed valid. Because the casino has their ToS, and most of them failed to at least even browse those conditions, and so they are prone to violating such terms.

The community would really be that immediately ask the ff:

1. Site/Platform name
2. Issues raised
3. SOLID PROOF!

If that #3 wont really be able to provide on the moment that they would be raising up those issues and cant be able to provide any evidences then just like
the rest been saying that it would really be just that ending up on being trolling and something that will really be just that ignored.

Just like the rest been saying above that it would really be that highly devastative if they would really be just letting those issues to be left hanging or unresolved
if its really that a real issue and not a fake one. We've seen how many sites that ending up on having that kind of condition
but immediate resolved or have found out some solution because they dont like for their reputation to be broken.

[bitterguy28]

People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that

I don't see why anyone should be ashamed if they are cheated by a casino in any way, after all, it is the casino that should be ashamed if they cheat their players in any way.

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Not sure if there are even one here that being ashamed when they are being victim? because imagine losing big money and your claim will be denied because you are ashamed ?
lol all of us will do everything to claim our funds ,what I do believe is that they are using new account so they will not be attacked by the casino after putting their accusation here.

In the end, it is the evidence itself that counts. But I think the use of a real account should contribute to the weight of the accusation, most people believe more easily someone who has been a member of the forum for a long time, especially if he is active and has a good trust rating.

exactly , Why need to use new account and be afraid of something if you really did not do anything wrong? sorry but that made me thinking of something.

[slaman29]

The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem.

I think the DT members act as a good enough judge as to whether the casino needs a flagging or tagging. This is as much as the forum mechanics allow us to do and I feel the job is being done well by them.
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Most of the valid ones get solved eventually, which if why I dont see a problem. But yes there loads of invalid ones and they get ignored.[/list]

Yes, this is something the beauty of this forum on which we do have those DT on where  they could really be make their own judgment and of course it will really be basing up with those solid proofs and evidences
before they would really be painting up red. We do know on how serious for it to have some negative trust specially on a gambling business. On the moment that they would be tagged out then it would really be neither those companies or platforms be that having a tainted reputation and this isnt something good. So if ever there would really be some issues and been that evaluated well not only by the DT of this
forum but also with the help with some community members then it would really be able to find out whether it would really be a legit accusation or just simply trolling.

The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem.

I think the DT members act as a good enough judge as to whether the casino needs a flagging or tagging. This is as much as the forum mechanics allow us to do and I feel the job is being done well by them.
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Most of the valid ones get solved eventually, which if why I dont see a problem. But yes there loads of invalid ones and they get ignored.[/list]

The reason I said it is for a specific case, that allows both casino and player to reach out to a group and if both agree to the terms, then they make a connection with this group. Not one person but a group. You can even see the problem with DT is some old tags/flags never get updated. Providing wrong impression actually.

Sort of like AskGamblers but specific for crypto and forum, which brings final solution for cases.

This is not really the same as flagging and tagging, that doesn't solve a particular case As can be seen from Freebitco.in mess.

Getting solved eventually is not the same as having a process to get solved

Anyway just my suggestion, from my years of seeing and playing at all these casinos, I can say many possibly valid ones never got solved.

[Agbe]

I don't believed that someone would just create account and accused a casino of scamming with participating in the casino. And only thing I will consider for casino side, the person might not give the accurate information about the scam but there would be no automatic false in the accusation. The person might missed some vital information in the accusation and that does not make it invalid. The casinos have to do the right thing. And those who create those scam accusation threads need solutions for their problems and those who can contribute to those threads to either advise or counseling. There is no big deal, those commenters are not part of the game so they can't do anything except to tell the representative to inform the casino Abu the accusation to solve it. In my beliefs before someone creates an accusation thread, they most have gotten some disagreement with the casino.

Of course, why else going through the trouble.
I mean, sure there some individuals that use our forum to blackmail casinos because they know these sites are advertising here and want to maintain a certain reputation in the forum. These scammer users though have experience here and often multiple accounts, not only here but at the casino as well, that's why they got blocked in the first place mostly.

Any accusation thread that does not follow the instructions or the rules of the forum before creating thread is not valid in the forum and moderators supposed delete such thread. And if any accuser provide all the needed information of scam accusation as Oilacris has also listed in his comment, is not a lie but I take it as a legit accusation but if there is no proof then it is null and void. Though it is possible if the casino was not fear with the gambler so with that he might want to tarnished the casino reputation and that was why I said there must be disagreement between them. And I also said if there is no proof of accusation then it is null and void.

[freedomgo]

And I also said if there is no proof of accusation then it is null and void.

It's a no-brainer that accusations like this should not be entertained. He can tarnish the reputation of the casino in his own way, but at the end of the day, we know who is lying. We are a community full of smart people, so we won't be easily convinced without proof of any accusation. We condemn those who are legitimate scammers, but we also appreciate those who are honest and continue to serve the community through entertainment.

However, we see some newbies posting in an ANN thread complaining about a casino. If we just let them post there, it may look like we are a community that does not correct what is wrong or support what is right.

[Coin_trader]

Any accusation thread that does not follow the instructions or the rules of the forum before creating thread is not valid in the forum and moderators supposed delete such thread. And if any accuser provide all the needed information of scam accusation as Oilacris has also listed in his comment, is not a lie but I take it as a legit accusation but if there is no proof then it is null and void. Though it is possible if the casino was not fear with the gambler so with that he might want to tarnished the casino reputation and that was why I said there must be disagreement between them. And I also said if there is no proof of accusation then it is null and void.

That scam accusation format is not the rules AFAIK. It’s just the proper way of reporting scam accusations to easily summarize what happened but not following that format will not make you law breaker in the forum since it’s just a guide.

As long as the topic is a scam accusation whatever format he use is still belongs to that thread and not worthy to be deleted unless it’s already off-topic.

Sometimes, newbie doesn’t read the stickies and just posting in the heat of the moment. They usually follow up the evidence on the later post. Scam accusation board is good since it gives freedom to everyone for expressing their assumption based on their experience against casino. Casino can always defend themselves though so no harm done with this shitty accusation.

[Agbe]

Any accusation thread that does not follow the instructions or the rules of the forum before creating thread is not valid in the forum and moderators supposed delete such thread. And if any accuser provide all the needed information of scam accusation as Oilacris has also listed in his comment, is not a lie but I take it as a legit accusation but if there is no proof then it is null and void. Though it is possible if the casino was not fear with the gambler so with that he might want to tarnished the casino reputation and that was why I said there must be disagreement between them. And I also said if there is no proof of accusation then it is null and void.

That scam accusation format is not the rules AFAIK. It’s just the proper way of reporting scam accusations to easily summarize what happened but not following that format will not make you law breaker in the forum since it’s just a guide.

As long as the topic is a scam accusation whatever format he use is still belongs to that thread and not worthy to be deleted unless it’s already off-topic.

Sometimes, newbie doesn’t read the stickies and just posting in the heat of the moment. They usually follow up the evidence on the later post. Scam accusation board is good since it gives freedom to everyone for expressing their assumption based on their experience against casino. Casino can always defend themselves though so no harm done with this shitty accusation.

What I mean is that if this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0 format is followed by the accusers then there will be no baseless accusations because the evidences are there for everyone to see and if you really want people to believe your accusation story then you have to add the screenshot of the issues. In the scam accusation board, evidence of screenshot speaks louder than theory or ordinary text. And Even though those instructions are not the rules since they are needed in the accusation then he has to follow up. And through there people will tell him what to do. And I also know that most of the newbies threads that are there are alts to establish members. Because someone that has not used this forum can't just come here and create accusation thread.

[Peanutswar]

The newly created account most likely sharing that they got scammed and created an accusation without prior proof or other details regarding their experience but sometimes they are tired of reading the terms and reason why their account gets flagged I've seen some accusations that they win a lot and still unsolved. Still, I will rely on the information given by the accusers statements and documentation so we are open to both sides and give our opinions.