How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[Ultimatepoker]

Truth be told, and lets ditch the word ‘scam’ for just a moment, most cases would probably favour players over casinos and woth good reason. I’m not saying every case, but most.

I’m a newbie on Bitcointalk, but i have noticed alot of players making remarks about withdrawals. “I made $15,000 and the casino won’t let me withdraw” type of statements, and its usually presented in regards to a newish casino, just launched few weeks or maybe some months back.

There was just a case of a guy deposting 5k and lost, deposited another 10k and made 25k profit and was unable to withdraw despite completing his KYC (and ill get on to KYC in just a moment).

The casino told him he couldnt withdraw the whole amount and would only be able to withdraw $500 daily and max $5,000 monthly. Excuse me but call it what you want, he shouldnt need to wait half a year to withdraw all his funds. To deposit 10k they had no issue with but wothdraw 25k yea let him wait.

KYC - your a casino? You take crypto as a form of payment? You say your “anonymous” so dont pretend or hide behind the biggest load of BS sub-license given by a bunch of monkeys. And when i mean hide behind its like this:
Deposit as much as you want, players can register from any country (even countries outside of the parameters of their license) but when you want to withdraw, ‘we have a license’ so show us your passport, your bank statements. And if your American and won, sorry, we’ll give you your initial deposit but you cant withdraw any winnings and were closing your account. US players can literally play for years before winning enough to withdraw, and then findi no themselves on the short end of the stick.

There are users that abuse and scam, and i understand security needs to be in place to make sure they are not being scammed,  but ill tell you something about that guy previously mentioned with the 25k win -
Opening a casino today is easy. You take a crappy white-label for a few thousand dollars, with all the crypto solution for psps, pay a designer to fix it up abit and you got yourself a brand new shinny casino. A small team of 3-5 can run it. And here is the problem. You have no idea whos behind them. Lets say they got into it with the best of intentions. Its not enough. How much money is backing them? Can they really host games for big players?
What happens if someone wins 500k?

The big casinos that have real VIP service can facilitate VIP players and perhaps with a 48 hour hold on a withdrawal can easily cash out a big player for 500k. THAT IS NOT TRUE FOR 95% of these crypto casinos.

So yes, plenty of scammer players.
But also many scammer casinos using all the leverage they can get to make sure you aint taking anything out.

My case point:
I am launching a poker room on telegram within 4-5 weeks. I wont give you details here as its not my thread, but casino and sports are options in the room, and im figuring out right now what we will include and what we are removing from the casino as i dont believe a new casino without a minimum of $2,000,000 backed in an open wallet should have on their site. I dont believe in KYC. You want KYC go to a traditional casino. Withdrawals for crypto should be automatic. If you cant facilitate that, then theres a problem with YOU the casino. Either your giving unrealistic bonus’ and promos or your facilitating games you can not honor.

 

[delfastTions]

Truth be told, and lets ditch the word ‘scam’ for just a moment, most cases would probably favour players over casinos and woth good reason. I’m not saying every case, but most.

I’m a newbie on Bitcointalk, but i have noticed alot of players making remarks about withdrawals. “I made $15,000 and the casino won’t let me withdraw” type of statements, and its usually presented in regards to a newish casino, just launched few weeks or maybe some months back.

There was just a case of a guy deposting 5k and lost, deposited another 10k and made 25k profit and was unable to withdraw despite completing his KYC (and ill get on to KYC in just a moment).

The casino told him he couldnt withdraw the whole amount and would only be able to withdraw $500 daily and max $5,000 monthly. Excuse me but call it what you want, he shouldnt need to wait half a year to withdraw all his funds. To deposit 10k they had no issue with but wothdraw 25k yea let him wait.

KYC - your a casino? You take crypto as a form of payment? You say your “anonymous” so dont pretend or hide behind the biggest load of BS sub-license given by a bunch of monkeys. And when i mean hide behind its like this:
Deposit as much as you want, players can register from any country (even countries outside of the parameters of their license) but when you want to withdraw, ‘we have a license’ so show us your passport, your bank statements. And if your American and won, sorry, we’ll give you your initial deposit but you cant withdraw any winnings and were closing your account. US players can literally play for years before winning enough to withdraw, and then findi no themselves on the short end of the stick.

There are users that abuse and scam, and i understand security needs to be in place to make sure they are not being scammed,  but ill tell you something about that guy previously mentioned with the 25k win -
Opening a casino today is easy. You take a crappy white-label for a few thousand dollars, with all the crypto solution for psps, pay a designer to fix it up abit and you got yourself a brand new shinny casino. A small team of 3-5 can run it. And here is the problem. You have no idea whos behind them. Lets say they got into it with the best of intentions. Its not enough. How much money is backing them? Can they really host games for big players?
What happens if someone wins 500k?

The big casinos that have real VIP service can facilitate VIP players and perhaps with a 48 hour hold on a withdrawal can easily cash out a big player for 500k. THAT IS NOT TRUE FOR 95% of these crypto casinos.

So yes, plenty of scammer players.
But also many scammer casinos using all the leverage they can get to make sure you aint taking anything out.

My case point:
I am launching a poker room on telegram within 4-5 weeks. I wont give you details here as its not my thread, but casino and sports are options in the room, and im figuring out right now what we will include and what we are removing from the casino as i dont believe a new casino without a minimum of $2,000,000 backed in an open wallet should have on their site. I dont believe in KYC. You want KYC go to a traditional casino. Withdrawals for crypto should be automatic. If you cant facilitate that, then theres a problem with YOU the casino. Either your giving unrealistic bonus’ and promos or your facilitating games you can not honor.

 

Everything is absolutely correct. 
It is the problems with withdrawing large winnings to your account that are the main problems of playing in online casinos.  And many cases of player complaints clearly confirm this.  And you are absolutely right that reference to all sorts of licenses and rules of local regulators are additional reasons to create difficulties for the winning player.  And in the case when a casino is created exactly according to this scheme and does not employ 3-5 people who do not have any real capital, this, of course, is always an option for a fraudulent casino.  And many players, especially those new to gambling, naturally cannot recognize such a fraudulent casino in time.  And the worst thing is that it is not clear how to deal with such an army and new scammers appearing on the Internet literally every day.

[milewilda]

People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that. So you should take that into account instead of thinking and implicitly saying they are scammers or some kind of scammers. Because I don't really understand how they would make money by simply hurting casino reputations. You really think some competitors could do that in order to try to get more customers? Crypocurrencies and offshore locations allow to easily scam people because customers have no actual recourses against those companies, you shouldn't forget that IMO.

Well well, a really valid point which is believe that not very many of us have actually thought about, and this is that some people feel ashamed of being scammed, and if they must talk or dicuss about it on public forums like this, they don't Wanna do that with their main account, most especially if the user is a person that is highly regarded and  respected by other users, specially those with lower ranks.

I perfectly understand this due to my own personally experiences, for even after having spent several years In this space and gained a good wealth of knowledge and experiences, I still got scammed some how on some various occasions, and for some of the cases, I thought about posting about it on the forum, decide not to on a second thought - for obvious reasons ☺️.

And that is also to say that for someone like myself, I rather not talk about a scam I am a victim to, if I will have create an Alt account before I talk about such, but again, I understand how different we all are, and I also understand that there are really some scams that the victim can't do without talking about it, since it can also serve as warning other potential users of that same platform to desist and don't fall victim too.

Not all newbies are totally noob but rather there are indeed possible things that it might be and old member of this forum and decided to make new account if ever they would be making some accusation or issues on which they won't really be putting up their main accounts on risk.Speaking about accusations then it won't really be that anytime considered to be legitimate and also this community don't easily believes if there would be some accusations specially if it doesn't have that sufficient proof.You could be able to point out whether it's real or fake basing up on the community feedbacks and opinions.Any accusations without solid proof would be considered trolling and this is why it would be better that you should always read up community feedbacks and opinions on which this would helpful on making up decisions whether you would be depositing on a site or not.

[EarnOnVictor]

And this is the problem we have in the forum. When a reputable member do something wrong others will be muted while some even support him again but when a less reputable member did something wrong every reputable members will descend on the member. Though what displayed here is also happens in real life. But it is limited in other forums.

If you visit the reputation board more frequently you will realize that what you said is not completely true 
Many who were supposed to be reputable members left the forum because other members stood against them and exposed them when they knew about their wrong deeds.
Thanks to the decentralized nature of the trust system, it doesn't matter how reputable you are or for how long you've been on this forum, if you do something wrong you won't get away with it just like that.

I can agree with you here. Because if the member even with low reputation has valid complaint, posting legit snapshots from his account, people will assist him to resolve his situation no matter the status of his account in this forum. That is, if he is totally honest with his situation.

But if the people here found out that he is not providing all the details because he has ill intention to take advantage of the situation, they won't tolerate it and they won't support his case.

See, some people's hands are tied on this verification of a thing, so you can entirely blame them, however, some people could are also paid to cause trouble against a rival in the industry, which is why we need to be sensitive and challenge both parties involved. Many have been the victims of what you just explained to be the right thing to do, this is why I urge people not to automatically believe someone has no point simply because such can't provide evidence. It is not until it happens to people themselves that they know how painful such a powerless situation could be, especially if the money involved is much.

How will the person who did not imagine his account could be blocked in his widest imagination show you the proof you requested? This is why we should not be too wise in our opinion but challenge both parties to show restraint and not one being bossy over the other because it has the power. I've witnessed cases here where the customer will not have access to the account, but no one would urge the casino/sportsbook to show mercy and give temporary access so that he can fairly provide the needed evidence. Many times too, the casino's representative might only be alleging without providing a single evidence that everyone can see. Do you call that fairness? 

[Ultimatepoker]

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See, some people's hands are tied on this verification of a thing, so you can entirely blame them, however, some people could are also paid to cause trouble against a rival in the industry, which is why we need to be sensitive and challenge both parties involved. Many have been the victims of what you just explained to be the right thing to do, this is why I urge people not to automatically believe someone has no point simply because such can't provide evidence. It is not until it happens to people themselves that they know how painful such a powerless situation could be, especially if the money involved is much.

How will the person who did not imagine his account could be blocked in his widest imagination show you the proof you requested? This is why we should not be too wise in our opinion but challenge both parties to show restraint and not one being bossy over the other because it has the power. I've witnessed cases here where the customer will not have access to the account, but no one would urge the casino/sportsbook to show mercy and give temporary access so that he can fairly provide the needed evidence. Many times too, the casino's representative might only be alleging without providing a single evidence that everyone can see. Do you call that fairness? 
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Whether or not a player as at fault or not, firstly you have to address the question of regulation.
Think of high stakes players for a moment.
The reason they play on crypto casinos is because the difficulty they face playing on traditional casinos. Phone calls from banks asking them what this transaction is of $5-$10k what is it?
They prefer playing anonymously in crypto, so having these silly monkey-licenses is just another hurdle.

And most brands use this license as leverage to stop withdrawals.

If a crypto casino allows transactions in crypto than it shouldnt be regulated by any body.
And if they dont allow a withdrawal than its clear that the casino is a fraud

Simple as that in my mind

[Onyeeze]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

If you see information that lacks merit you will know, it's very clear that some people make posts just to test some people knowledge not really for completion of weekly post quota, so I believe that in anything that make someone to establish a thread its not ordinary it most for a reason like it wants to know what it doesn't know, so looking at some functions, you will know that any thread that's being establish because of scam is a vital and reasonable something, so for me, we have to understand the protocols, so understanding the point of views of a writer is very important.

[Eternad]

If you see information that lacks merit you will know, it's very clear that some people make posts just to test some people knowledge not really for completion of weekly post quota, so I believe that in anything that make someone to establish a thread its not ordinary it most for a reason like it wants to know what it doesn't know, so looking at some functions, you will know that any thread that's being establish because of scam is a vital and reasonable something, so for me, we have to understand the protocols, so understanding the point of views of a writer is very important.

Are you pertaining to the merit of this forum or the merit like the value on someone post here. Merit distribution is very drought in the gambling board so it’s very hard to rely on that on this board.

But you’re right that most of the post here is just a nonsense, typically a long wall post that doesn’t contain any sensible information about the topic. This spam long post makes the forum discussion very hard to follow.

[Hispo]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Sure, I agree it is a situation which is reasonable to happen in a context in which people are seeking to boost their posting count for their campaign, what can be done about it, though? Realistically speaking is up to each one of us to get informed and do our own research with each scamm accusation which made here and look at the evidence, that is the process before emitting our own opinion.
It is good to call for more awareness, but if we really want to see a change, it would be more productive if moderators decided to automatically move all scam accusations to the reputation board, instead of allowing them to float around here.

They will get less attention, sure, but people posting on them will have more motivation to look up to the facts of the case before talking about it.

[Pmalek]

If a crypto casino allows transactions in crypto than it shouldnt be regulated by any body.

It's not always that simple. Not all online casinos are pure crypto casinos. We see more and more traditional fiat casinos support crypto with an aim to increase their userbase. These gambling platforms were already regulated before. On top of that, I am sure that many players prefer licensed casinos because they want there to be a 3rd-party that can help them if the casino isn't being fair. 

[3kpk3]

It's not always that simple. Not all online casinos are pure crypto casinos. We see more and more traditional fiat casinos support crypto with an aim to increase their userbase. These gambling platforms were already regulated before. On top of that, I am sure that many players prefer licensed casinos because they want there to be a 3rd-party that can help them if the casino isn't being fair. 

I partially agree with you here. Regulation is a double edged sword for gamblers like me who value anonymity over everything else which is why licenses do help, but don't guarantee fairness everytime.

Just look at a site like 1xbit for example. They are licensed, but still openly scam everyone without any fear whatsoever.

[avp2306]

It's not always that simple. Not all online casinos are pure crypto casinos. We see more and more traditional fiat casinos support crypto with an aim to increase their userbase. These gambling platforms were already regulated before. On top of that, I am sure that many players prefer licensed casinos because they want there to be a 3rd-party that can help them if the casino isn't being fair. 

I partially agree with you here. Regulation is a double edged sword for gamblers like me who value anonymity over everything else which is why licenses do help, but don't guarantee fairness everytime.

Just look at a site like 1xbit for example. They are licensed, but still openly scam everyone without any fear whatsoever.

Even if the casino is regulated still they can do crimes whenever they want. There are cases like this happened and those casino which earned a good reputation suddenly turn down then scam their costumers. That's why we cannot really say that we are totally safe on any casino that we are going.

1xbit is a total jerk they just pulled off a massive scam now they taste the dose of what they do since whatever marketing antics they do people already lose their trust and avoid them.

Casino licenses doesn't mean anything especially if they got it on certain countries which didn't regulate the activities of the casino who apply a license to them.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

In most unimaginable cases - especially the ones that has to do with unlicensed casinos - it could be true that the casino really wants to rob them of their cash... Otherwise, it looks really suspicious to me when a rookie appears, and in no time, lays an allegation against a casino.

[...]nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Do we really have people that go around to affirm those cases on the scam accusation board, even without knowing a thing about it? I mean, why would anyone do a thing like that? Mostimes, those accounts are created as a part of a huge alt farm.

Casino licenses doesn't mean anything especially if they got it on certain countries which didn't regulate the activities of the casino who apply a license to them.

A casino's license mean alot to 'em... I doubt that you forgot so fast that every country has its own regulatory body....They could do anything they want, but it's definitely going to be a secret.

[OgNasty]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Most of the time the player turns out to be wrong and is using the forum to strong arm a casino. I still always start off taking the player's side until the book proves him guilty.

Ya, I always want to heed the warnings from those in the community, but most of the time when you dig down the problem is that the player is unwilling or cannot verify their account. The easy thing to do is attack the casino and hope they’ll let you withdraw your funds to get rid of the headache, but usually it just ends with wasted time and energy.

[Onyeeze]

If you see information that lacks merit you will know, it's very clear that some people make posts just to test some people knowledge not really for completion of weekly post quota, so I believe that in anything that make someone to establish a thread its not ordinary it most for a reason like it wants to know what it doesn't know, so looking at some functions, you will know that any thread that's being establish because of scam is a vital and reasonable something, so for me, we have to understand the protocols, so understanding the point of views of a writer is very important.

Are you pertaining to the merit of this forum or the merit like the value on someone post here. Merit distribution is very drought in the gambling board so it’s very hard to rely on that on this board.

But you’re right that most of the post here is just a nonsense, typically a long wall post that doesn’t contain any sensible information about the topic. This spam long post makes the forum discussion very hard to follow.

sorry that's law terminology, when we say something lacks merit, that simply that a suggestion or point of view of the person is not welcomed, I don't really mean the merit system of the forum, and this words is normally used in court of law to demise a petition alleged by someone else, but for aspects of your last suggestion I think that you are of the opinion that people who write in gambling section many of them write nonsense because it seems that they are driving at a particular point, and I believe that is why many of them like any thread that has to do with addicted someone in gambling,  I don't think we have tried to figure such a thing out.

[Odusko]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

There is already a pattern to follow in reporting scam in this forum in general, regardless of what type of scam it is, most of the accounts that make such scam accusations without proper evidence and documents to support the claim are easily trased out to be just mere speculations, because of this, any time there is an accusations against any casinos, what members always ask of us evidence and after such evidence are presented their are subject to some analysis and if possible time given to others who may have noticed or experience similar incident with that casinos to come up with they own accusations and after that a judgement can be established and tag will follow.
No one will entertain any random new account coming up to make any form of accusations, because some of such accusations are sponsored by perceive rivals who want to dent the image of their competitors, so they can hide under such account to create fuds around successful casinos.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

It's not always that simple. Not all online casinos are pure crypto casinos. We see more and more traditional fiat casinos support crypto with an aim to increase their userbase. These gambling platforms were already regulated before. On top of that, I am sure that many players prefer licensed casinos because they want there to be a 3rd-party that can help them if the casino isn't being fair. 

I partially agree with you here. Regulation is a double edged sword for gamblers like me who value anonymity over everything else which is why licenses do help, but don't guarantee fairness everytime.

Just look at a site like 1xbit for example. They are licensed, but still openly scam everyone without any fear whatsoever.

You are right, and let me add to what you have said by saying that so far, I have not actually come across any gambler who had issues with a particular casino, and the license regulator of that casino steps in to resolve the case between the gambler and the management of the supposed casino.

License is no more like a decoration on casinos to be  honest, for those who build this casinos knows that they are more likely to gain gamblers trust if there is a license to back the operations of the casino, this is why several of this casinos owners obtain a license for their casinos even when they know themselves that those licenses does not benefit the gambler in any way.

[Pmalek]

You are right, and let me add to what you have said by saying that so far, I have not actually come across any gambler who had issues with a particular casino, and the license regulator of that casino steps in to resolve the case between the gambler and the management of the supposed casino.

We can't know that. It's a private matter between the player and the regulatory body. Such cases aren't discussed publicly. The player may have said that the regulator wasn't or couldn't help, but must of the time we don't know what was said in their private correspondence.

There is another thing: 6, maybe 7/10 accusations are written by people who can't present their case in a professional way. They speak bad English, let their emotions lead the way, and can't present the case or proof properly. They will fail to attract attention and have people believe them because it looks like they are hiding something and aren't telling the whole truth. 

[milewilda]

It's not always that simple. Not all online casinos are pure crypto casinos. We see more and more traditional fiat casinos support crypto with an aim to increase their userbase. These gambling platforms were already regulated before. On top of that, I am sure that many players prefer licensed casinos because they want there to be a 3rd-party that can help them if the casino isn't being fair. 

I partially agree with you here. Regulation is a double edged sword for gamblers like me who value anonymity over everything else which is why licenses do help, but don't guarantee fairness everytime.

Just look at a site like 1xbit for example. They are licensed, but still openly scam everyone without any fear whatsoever.

You are right, and let me add to what you have said by saying that so far, I have not actually come across any gambler who had issues with a particular casino, and the license regulator of that casino steps in to resolve the case between the gambler and the management of the supposed casino.

License is no more like a decoration on casinos to be  honest, for those who build this casinos knows that they are more likely to gain gamblers trust if there is a license to back the operations of the casino, this is why several of this casinos owners obtain a license for their casinos even when they know themselves that those licenses does not benefit the gambler in any way.

The primary thing that comes up into the mind is on the moment that if a casino does have a license then it would really be considered out to be legit on which same as you said that this isnt a solid basis for a certain platform to be trusted despite on having license. The thing here is that on the time that they do have one then you could at least have that assumption that they are doxxed or known on the moment that they would become a scam or doing something stupid but i dont know if there are actually those cheap licenses have this kind of system or simply that granting license without having those kind of known team or owners.
Speaking or talking about accusations been thrown into this forum then it wont really be always that true or accurate on which we've seen tons of situations that accusations turns out to be false or something
that arent true because there's no enough evidence that has been provided with the accuser.

This place would be the best place for you to find out if ever there would be some pending issues with the current existing that we do have in the market today in speaking about
into those current existing gambling casinos or platforms.  You would really be just that simply making use of your own common sense then you could be able to spot
out on which are the things you would really be tending to believe on.

[paxmao]

Truth be told, and lets ditch the word ‘scam’ for just a moment, most cases would probably favour players over casinos and woth good reason. I’m not saying every case, but most.

I’m a newbie on Bitcointalk, but i have noticed alot of players making remarks about withdrawals. “I made $15,000 and the casino won’t let me withdraw” type of statements, and its usually presented in regards to a newish casino, just launched few weeks or maybe some months back.

There was just a case of a guy deposting 5k and lost, deposited another 10k and made 25k profit and was unable to withdraw despite completing his KYC (and ill get on to KYC in just a moment).

The casino told him he couldnt withdraw the whole amount and would only be able to withdraw $500 daily and max $5,000 monthly. Excuse me but call it what you want, he shouldnt need to wait half a year to withdraw all his funds. To deposit 10k they had no issue with but wothdraw 25k yea let him wait.

KYC - your a casino? You take crypto as a form of payment? You say your “anonymous” so dont pretend or hide behind the biggest load of BS sub-license given by a bunch of monkeys. And when i mean hide behind its like this:
Deposit as much as you want, players can register from any country (even countries outside of the parameters of their license) but when you want to withdraw, ‘we have a license’ so show us your passport, your bank statements. And if your American and won, sorry, we’ll give you your initial deposit but you cant withdraw any winnings and were closing your account. US players can literally play for years before winning enough to withdraw, and then findi no themselves on the short end of the stick.

There are users that abuse and scam, and i understand security needs to be in place to make sure they are not being scammed,  but ill tell you something about that guy previously mentioned with the 25k win -
Opening a casino today is easy. You take a crappy white-label for a few thousand dollars, with all the crypto solution for psps, pay a designer to fix it up abit and you got yourself a brand new shinny casino. A small team of 3-5 can run it. And here is the problem. You have no idea whos behind them. Lets say they got into it with the best of intentions. Its not enough. How much money is backing them? Can they really host games for big players?
What happens if someone wins 500k?

The big casinos that have real VIP service can facilitate VIP players and perhaps with a 48 hour hold on a withdrawal can easily cash out a big player for 500k. THAT IS NOT TRUE FOR 95% of these crypto casinos.

So yes, plenty of scammer players.
But also many scammer casinos using all the leverage they can get to make sure you aint taking anything out.

My case point:
I am launching a poker room on telegram within 4-5 weeks. I wont give you details here as its not my thread, but casino and sports are options in the room, and im figuring out right now what we will include and what we are removing from the casino as i dont believe a new casino without a minimum of $2,000,000 backed in an open wallet should have on their site. I dont believe in KYC. You want KYC go to a traditional casino. Withdrawals for crypto should be automatic. If you cant facilitate that, then theres a problem with YOU the casino. Either your giving unrealistic bonus’ and promos or your facilitating games you can not honor.

 

Quite comprehensive analysis. All this comes to end in reputation, that is how much you trust the site versus how much you trust the guy. I think that there are several factors that build that trust - I think the first one is how long have you been in the market (site) or in the forum (player) and how much of a credible and documented event is there as accusation.

[pawanjain]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

What, is this really happening in here ?
I can't believe people are actually coming up with this just because they want to increase their post count. I mean, it's shame if people are falling to such extent.
On the other hand, I think we don't easily believe on newbie accounts anyway unless they post some solid evidence against the casino.