How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Inevitably since casinos advertise to everyone on their website that they have a Bitcointalk thread here, and that they are also very responsible, there are more casino scam accusations from frustrated players here than any other type of service combined.

Of course, I'd be inclined to think that most of those accusers just want to get their money back and are not interested in running a smear campaign against a casino or anything.

Yes majority of the accuser really want to get the refund, and that is why they employ every possible means to reach out to those platforms and services that they think can help to facilitate the recovery of the money back to them, but still yet, also we have some of the accusers who never hard any dealings with such accused casinos, and the type of accusers are mostly newbies who keep on creating fuds around the scene with endless amount of accusations, without any form of evidence to prove they point in any ways, and when they are press to provide such a evidence, the abandon the thread and suddenly become inactive.
But the ratio of legit complaints are much more higher than that of fake ones so we can say that to this extent that t all good and the forum is indeed acting and providing them the platform to air their grievance since the forum is mentioned on thos site's.

Well, like I've mentioned above, I honestly have never believed any of such possibilities where some one will out of the blues, decide to create a scam accusation against a casino they never had any dealings with, to what motive exactly; will they, or do they do this?

Personally, and like I did mentioned in my comment above, some of the accusations we see that are no genuine, or where the accuser can not provide tangible evidence to their claim, is maybe the accuser did play on the casino and lost woefully, and feeling angry about the loss and looking for a way to retaliate, may be moved to create false scam accussation against the casino either as a payback or a way to hold the casino to some form of blackmail and ransom.

[LUCKMCFLY]

It is true that a reputation can be completely  lost simply because of one mistake, completely by a casino, which becomes publicly known and generally arouses in the reader sympathy for the player and at the same time indignation towards the actions of casino managers.  The example that you recalled is perhaps one of approximately such cases of loss of a good reputation, which, by the way, it took quite a long time to earn.  

You are right about reputation, in fact there are several casinos that always try to start over with a new direction to regain their reputation, and most of them do not achieve this, so far that is what I have seen, of course I say that when a casino loses its reputation the Community , if it is large, helps it to move forward, but if the casino does not do its part, then things are lost, but it is very sad that a casino that has had a great responsibility with its community and its reputation loses it so Quickly, then it may be that second opportunities are given, but the casinos should take advantage of them very well.

[Wapfika]

You are right about reputation, in fact there are several casinos that always try to start over with a new direction to regain their reputation, and most of them do not achieve this, so far that is what I have seen, of course I say that when a casino loses its reputation the Community , if it is large, helps it to move forward, but if the casino does not do its part, then things are lost, but it is very sad that a casino that has had a great responsibility with its community and its reputation loses it so Quickly, then it may be that second opportunities are given, but the casinos should take advantage of them very well.

There’s still a lot of casino that already went rouge for a long time due to bad reputation that manage to come back to the good side by solving all the existing issue.

I can name some of them such as Betcoin, Fortunejack, Cloudbet and BC. All of them manage to regain their reputation through solving all the existing issue against them. Betcoin has the worst ruined reputation before due to the amount involved that they didn’t honor to pay yet they still fixed it with a better management that solve the problem.

I think even 1xbit can still regain their reputation they will become genuine on solving all the pending issue.

[delfastTions]

It is true that a reputation can be completely  lost simply because of one mistake, completely by a casino, which becomes publicly known and generally arouses in the reader sympathy for the player and at the same time indignation towards the actions of casino managers.  The example that you recalled is perhaps one of approximately such cases of loss of a good reputation, which, by the way, it took quite a long time to earn.  

You are right about reputation, in fact there are several casinos that always try to start over with a new direction to regain their reputation, and most of them do not achieve this, so far that is what I have seen, of course I say that when a casino loses its reputation the Community , if it is large, helps it to move forward, but if the casino does not do its part, then things are lost, but it is very sad that a casino that has had a great responsibility with its community and its reputation loses it so Quickly, then it may be that second opportunities are given, but the casinos should take advantage of them very well.

With a second opportunity, it is quite difficult to achieve a reputation of the same level as the first after failure.  And the reason, as a rule, is the specific owners of the businessmen who have lost their reputation, as well as the top management of the casino.  It is precisely this kind of personal trail that can seriously complicate the task of developing an image, for example, even after changing the name of the casino, but maintaining the staff and management.  The fact is that players still remember very well the failures of reputation and the specific people responsible for these failures, even if they happened a long time ago.

[dunfida]

It is true that a reputation can be completely  lost simply because of one mistake, completely by a casino, which becomes publicly known and generally arouses in the reader sympathy for the player and at the same time indignation towards the actions of casino managers.  The example that you recalled is perhaps one of approximately such cases of loss of a good reputation, which, by the way, it took quite a long time to earn.  

You are right about reputation, in fact there are several casinos that always try to start over with a new direction to regain their reputation, and most of them do not achieve this, so far that is what I have seen, of course I say that when a casino loses its reputation the Community , if it is large, helps it to move forward, but if the casino does not do its part, then things are lost, but it is very sad that a casino that has had a great responsibility with its community and its reputation loses it so Quickly, then it may be that second opportunities are given, but the casinos should take advantage of them very well.

With a second opportunity, it is quite difficult to achieve a reputation of the same level as the first after failure.  And the reason, as a rule, is the specific owners of the businessmen who have lost their reputation, as well as the top management of the casino.  It is precisely this kind of personal trail that can seriously complicate the task of developing an image, for example, even after changing the name of the casino, but maintaining the staff and management.  The fact is that players still remember very well the failures of reputation and the specific people responsible for these failures, even if they happened a long time ago.

On the moment that those failed casinos or having some pending issues which those staffs would really be the same via creating on other named platform then of course people would really be that always tying up
with those things in the past up to the future. On the moment that people would really be seeing connections then it would really be that a normal approach or impressions in towards into the new site.
No matter how many times that you would really be doing to make new name as long it would really be having that same management then people would really be finding out on the same reputation that it would be having into those platform that they handled out. This is why if ever there would really be those kind of situation then it would really be something that will really be giving out that normal approach into it.

Accusations that been thrown into this forum are really neither that  fake or real on which on the rate or speaking about real incidents about some pending issues then it would really be that up to someone.There would really be those individuals who would really be that still wanting to stick into playing in to those places even if its means that they would be potentially be that facing up some issues afterwards.
It would really be that common sense on where you would really be that trying out to hang out.

[noormcs5]

Accusations that been thrown into this forum are really neither that  fake or real on which on the rate or speaking about real incidents about some pending issues then it would really be that up to someone.There would really be those individuals who would really be that still wanting to stick into playing in to those places even if its means that they would be potentially be that facing up some issues afterwards.
It would really be that common sense on where you would really be that trying out to hang out.

At least there is a discussion on every scam accusation, the proofs are presented by both parties (the complainant and the casino representatives) and we know the conclusion in most cases as to who is right. I would not say that the person who raised the accusation is right nor i will say that the casino is mostly right, it depends on case to case and every case is different.

However, we usually see that the casinos that are trustworthy and reputed, usually the scam accusations against them are false or very few in numbers. So from this, we can conclude on which casino to gamble and which casino to avoid gambling. But again, viewing a single case on the casino in a scam accusation, we should not make up our mind about the casino's credibility, multiple factors need to be seen.

[freedomgo]

I think even 1xbit can still regain their reputation they will become genuine on solving all the pending issue.

The problem has already worsened or reached its peak. I don't think there's any assurance that they'll regain a good reputation even after resolving the issue, as more gamblers might come forward claiming they were scammed. It will be an ongoing process for them, continuously trying to prove to the community that they genuinely want to rebuild their reputation. In short, it's too costly for them, and they know the success rate is very low. That's why it's always important to address problems early on before they worsen, as happened in this case, where the problem has become too significant to resolve easily.

[EarnOnVictor]

If the casino has a current signature campaign that's managed by a trustworthy manager, then there's a higher probability that that casino is not a scam. Managers usually stop representing them when they start becoming scams.

Well, being an active casino campaigning on Bitcointalk is a very good layer of trust, nevertheless, with my sincere experience so far, it still does not save anyone entirely. Mind you, this is not a matter of those casinos being a scam, they are often running a legitimate business, but in the cause of running such a legitimate business, there could be some cheating and excesses, this is what we are talking about.

And Bitcointlak or not, there are accusations that have been resolved and there are some that have not been resolved, and will never be resolved. What should we call that? I hope casinos are fair/sincere with their customers and have valid proof if at all they restrict or sanction their customers for any reason whatsoever.

It's not a layer of trust. It's merely an indicator that, CURRENTLY, the casino is still good with the community and that none of the scam accusations, although some of them are real issues, make the casino a "scam".

Hahaha...We are still saying the same thing, what is a layer of trust and what you just explained despite disputing as a layer of trust? Oh, the English language would kill me. Regardless, I stand by my first post as a scam is a large context, for a casino to have issues with some specific customers doesn't label them a scam entirely. They might just have some cheating practices, but once there is legitimacy in their operation by law and treat the majority of their customers fairly, they can't generally be scamming. Who knows even if the customer is lying at times? This ugly behaviour of casinos is common, even with the most popular and reputed ones, which is a good reason why they can't be generally called scammers, but treat each case separately.

[AmoreJaz]

I think even 1xbit can still regain their reputation they will become genuine on solving all the pending issue.

The problem has already worsened or reached its peak. I don't think there's any assurance that they'll regain a good reputation even after resolving the issue, as more gamblers might come forward claiming they were scammed. It will be an ongoing process for them, continuously trying to prove to the community that they genuinely want to rebuild their reputation. In short, it's too costly for them, and they know the success rate is very low. That's why it's always important to address problems early on before they worsen, as happened in this case, where the problem has become too significant to resolve easily.

The problem with this site is that they have quite a number of complaints and it continuously to increase. It means, they are not truly resolving their problems. Maybe, they are trying their part but the thing is when it comes to significant amount of money involved, they are not totally closing each case, in satisfaction of the aggravated party. If they are sincere with resolving the complaints, they should process the withdrawal in fair and fast manner.

[famososMuertos]

It is true that a reputation can be completely  lost simply because of one mistake, completely by a casino, which becomes publicly known and generally arouses in the reader sympathy for the player and at the same time indignation towards the actions of casino managers.  The example that you recalled is perhaps one of approximately such cases of loss of a good reputation, which, by the way, it took quite a long time to earn.  

You are right about reputation, in fact there are several casinos that always try to start over with a new direction to regain their reputation, and most of them do not achieve this, so far that is what I have seen, of course I say that when a casino loses its reputation the Community , if it is large, helps it to move forward, but if the casino does not do its part, then things are lost, but it is very sad that a casino that has had a great responsibility with its community and its reputation loses it so Quickly, then it may be that second opportunities are given, but the casinos should take advantage of them very well.

Reputation is not a quantifiable term, it is rather qualitative, that is, Casinos are not exempt from complaints, the issue is how they resolve the grey areas of their ToC. The other problems are a standard for any casino, so solving them should not give a benign reputation at its convenience.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I think even 1xbit can still regain their reputation they will become genuine on solving all the pending issue.

The problem has already worsened or reached its peak. I don't think there's any assurance that they'll regain a good reputation even after resolving the issue, as more gamblers might come forward claiming they were scammed. It will be an ongoing process for them, continuously trying to prove to the community that they genuinely want to rebuild their reputation. In short, it's too costly for them, and they know the success rate is very low. That's why it's always important to address problems early on before they worsen, as happened in this case, where the problem has become too significant to resolve easily.

The problem with this site is that they have quite a number of complaints and it continuously to increase. It means, they are not truly resolving their problems. Maybe, they are trying their part but the thing is when it comes to significant amount of money involved, they are not totally closing each case, in satisfaction of the aggravated party. If they are sincere with resolving the complaints, they should process the withdrawal in fair manner.

Sorry but you chat as if you are new on this forum, or perhaps, you've not really been active on this gambling board, 1xbit is a well known scam casino, complaints against them keep piling up because they don't really solve any of the issues, but rather, they keep scamming more and more people, they are deliberate in their actions, which is another way of saying that, they are clear and know exactly what they are doing.

They ran signature campaignz on this forum for a long time, they were tagged due to their misconduct towards their users, yet, they did not try to rectify anything, but rather each time, they come up with lies and more lies, this they continued until it became an offence for any user on this forum to wear their signature.

Theirs is a seperate case from what op is about on this thread, 1xbit is a pure scam casino, and no one will come forward to Claim he was scammed by 1xbit when he wasn't.

[delfastTions]

It is true that a reputation can be completely  lost simply because of one mistake, completely by a casino, which becomes publicly known and generally arouses in the reader sympathy for the player and at the same time indignation towards the actions of casino managers.  The example that you recalled is perhaps one of approximately such cases of loss of a good reputation, which, by the way, it took quite a long time to earn.  

You are right about reputation, in fact there are several casinos that always try to start over with a new direction to regain their reputation, and most of them do not achieve this, so far that is what I have seen, of course I say that when a casino loses its reputation the Community , if it is large, helps it to move forward, but if the casino does not do its part, then things are lost, but it is very sad that a casino that has had a great responsibility with its community and its reputation loses it so Quickly, then it may be that second opportunities are given, but the casinos should take advantage of them very well.

With a second opportunity, it is quite difficult to achieve a reputation of the same level as the first after failure.  And the reason, as a rule, is the specific owners of the businessmen who have lost their reputation, as well as the top management of the casino.  It is precisely this kind of personal trail that can seriously complicate the task of developing an image, for example, even after changing the name of the casino, but maintaining the staff and management.  The fact is that players still remember very well the failures of reputation and the specific people responsible for these failures, even if they happened a long time ago.

On the moment that those failed casinos or having some pending issues which those staffs would really be the same via creating on other named platform then of course people would really be that always tying up
with those things in the past up to the future. On the moment that people would really be seeing connections then it would really be that a normal approach or impressions in towards into the new site.
No matter how many times that you would really be doing to make new name as long it would really be having that same management then people would really be finding out on the same reputation that it would be having into those platform that they handled out. This is why if ever there would really be those kind of situation then it would really be something that will really be giving out that normal approach into it.

Accusations that been thrown into this forum are really neither that  fake or real on which on the rate or speaking about real incidents about some pending issues then it would really be that up to someone.There would really be those individuals who would really be that still wanting to stick into playing in to those places even if its means that they would be potentially be that facing up some issues afterwards.
It would really be that common sense on where you would really be that trying out to hang out.

It is most likely true that the accusations on the forum in a significant number can be considered neither real nor false.  We all still must take into account the motives and personality of the forum user who wrote such a post.  If this is a newcomer, then of course there is less trust in his accusations against the casino than if a post with a complaint against the casino were written by an old user who has been using the forum for a long time.  But it doesn’t seem worth simply ignoring messages from new recruits either. 

In short, in each specific case of casino accusations, you should first understand a little, and then draw conclusions.  And this usually means a discussion in a separate topic with clarifying questions and answers.

[Viscore]

The problem with this site is that they have quite a number of complaints and it continuously to increase. It means, they are not truly resolving their problems. Maybe, they are trying their part but the thing is when it comes to significant amount of money involved, they are not totally closing each case, in satisfaction of the aggravated party. If they are sincere with resolving the complaints, they should process the withdrawal in fair manner.

The number of complaints is a better indicator than the amount of money being scammed. When a significant number of gamblers are complaining about a particular casino, it should serve as a warning that continuing to use the site might lead to similar issues. It's wiser to prevent problems before they arise by avoiding casinos with a bad reputation, even if you haven't personally experienced any issues.

Forums like Bitcointalk are valuable resources for this. They are popular platforms where businesses can build or damage their reputations. If a casino has a good reputation on such forums, it's generally a safer choice. However, when you see numerous scam accusations, as with 1xbit on Bitcointalk, it's best to steer clear and find a more reputable casino to gamble with.

[delfastTions]

The problem with this site is that they have quite a number of complaints and it continuously to increase. It means, they are not truly resolving their problems. Maybe, they are trying their part but the thing is when it comes to significant amount of money involved, they are not totally closing each case, in satisfaction of the aggravated party. If they are sincere with resolving the complaints, they should process the withdrawal in fair manner.

The number of complaints is a better indicator than the amount of money being scammed. When a significant number of gamblers are complaining about a particular casino, it should serve as a warning that continuing to use the site might lead to similar issues. It's wiser to prevent problems before they arise by avoiding casinos with a bad reputation, even if you haven't personally experienced any issues.

Forums like Bitcointalk are valuable resources for this. They are popular platforms where businesses can build or damage their reputations. If a casino has a good reputation on such forums, it's generally a safer choice. However, when you see numerous scam accusations, as with 1xbit on Bitcointalk, it's best to steer clear and find a more reputable casino to gamble with.

Perhaps our forum is one of the best and objective indicators of the quality of the casino.  It is the increase in the number of messages with negative reviews for a particular casino that immediately leads users of our forum who are fond of gambling to the idea that they need to slow down when playing in this casino or, perhaps, stop using it altogether.  By the way, quite quickly information about the problems of a particular casino spreads throughout the forum and all players receive this warning since mention of problems appears in several topics simply in user messages.  So the forum and gambling section are undoubtedly the most valuable information resource for gamblers.

[Outhue]

All I can say is since I've created my BTT account on this forum I have seen more false accusations on casinos than true accusations, and most of the time it is from those running new account, I also believe that those people intentionally created a new account for the accusation purpose only, that doesn't mean they are new to the forum.

Most accusations are lies and few are true so far, also if a online casinos is already known to be scammers then every accusations on such casino is true, for example that 1xbit and the other 1x casino, everyone on the forum already know that these online casinos are reaping people off.

[delfastTions]

All I can say is since I've created my BTT account on this forum I have seen more false accusations on casinos than true accusations, and most of the time it is from those running new account, I also believe that those people intentionally created a new account for the accusation purpose only, that doesn't mean they are new to the forum.

Most accusations are lies and few are true so far, also if a online casinos is already known to be scammers then every accusations on such casino is true, for example that 1xbit and the other 1x casino, everyone on the forum already know that these online casinos are reaping people off.

Absolutely right.  In my experience, a lot of the accusations are also made against various casinos here on the forum, especially in the topics.  created by new users is practically false information.  As a rule, the forum user who wrote such posts simply expresses his indignation at the unfair actions of some casino towards him.  He writes this in a separate new topic, but at the same time the accusations themselves usually do not have strong evidence, one can say that they are unreliable.  But still, during a discussion in such a topic, many BTT users write quite a lot of interesting and previously unknown information that is valuable for other forum users.  And in this I still see the benefit of such topics, although many consider them useless and even harmful.

[LUCKMCFLY]

It is most likely true that the accusations on the forum in a significant number can be considered neither real nor false.  We all still must take into account the motives and personality of the forum user who wrote such a post.  If this is a newcomer, then of course there is less trust in his accusations against the casino than if a post with a complaint against the casino were written by an old user who has been using the forum for a long time.  But it doesn’t seem worth simply ignoring messages from new recruits either. 

In short, in each specific case of casino accusations, you should first understand a little, and then draw conclusions.  And this usually means a discussion in a separate topic with clarifying questions and answers.

Well sometimes I have seen some accusations of scams made by many new accounts, the truth is some are just to troll, but others do it with true bases and with a lot of evidence, screenshots, everything that can point out that a casino has done wrong with them, then in this sense we can say that when a topic like this occurs, then you have to see things from the point of view that you have to know the rules, regulations, TOS of the casino, to see if the accusation flows or not, because many TOs break any accusation, for this reason I almost do not check this board, because it requires knowing the TOS very well, it's like being a lawyer.

[Zadicar]

It is most likely true that the accusations on the forum in a significant number can be considered neither real nor false.  We all still must take into account the motives and personality of the forum user who wrote such a post.  If this is a newcomer, then of course there is less trust in his accusations against the casino than if a post with a complaint against the casino were written by an old user who has been using the forum for a long time.  But it doesn’t seem worth simply ignoring messages from new recruits either. 

In short, in each specific case of casino accusations, you should first understand a little, and then draw conclusions.  And this usually means a discussion in a separate topic with clarifying questions and answers.

Well sometimes I have seen some accusations of scams made by many new accounts, the truth is some are just to troll, but others do it with true bases and with a lot of evidence, screenshots, everything that can point out that a casino has done wrong with them, then in this sense we can say that when a topic like this occurs, then you have to see things from the point of view that you have to know the rules, regulations, TOS of the casino, to see if the accusation flows or not, because many TOs break any accusation, for this reason I almost do not check this board, because it requires knowing the TOS very well, it's like being a lawyer.

But this community or forum could really be able to spot it out if those newbie accounts are really just that trolling on the time or moment that they couldnt really be able to provide some evidence in regarding into their claims. You could really be able to say that this community alone would really be just that sufficient enough for you to tell whether its a legit one or not. Just like been said above that
all of people here on this forum or lets say majority isnt really that dumb whenever there would really be accusations and just like on what we do know then we would really be needing up that sufficient
evidences on every claims that been raised up or those issues or accusations because if they couldnt be able to provide something then its clear that they are really just that trying out to ruin
someones reputation and this is something not really that something new anymore,considering that competition is really that high on gambling space.

[Crypto Library]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

I don't know it's really does happening on the forum if you have any suspicious members you can also mentioned those we can also see doesn't it really happening in the forum. But it is not impossible because we have seen and received complaints before many accounts bumped their posts and accounts in front of everyone by opening their own alt account. These are swan on the beginners & help board , Bitcoin Discussion , Meta etc an now you are complaining they are also on the Scamm Accusations Board.

But we can't also those ignore topic because there are also legits reports and we have seen before multiple casinos being tagged by their reports. So are can't be ignore before the end result.

[swogerino]

I think most of those accusations are not valid,at least against reputable casinos.This for the simple reason that casinos don't need to cheat nowadays in order to be in profit or to do some form of injustice to some user as simply they modify the RTP of the slot games and people keep losing like crazy.This way they don't need to do anything except cash in and this does not bother them to not pay someone who claims has won really big,no matter how big that person may have won most of these reputable casinos can pay him instantly as soon as all validation checks are done from their part.That is why I don't believe much of these accusations,simply well established casinos can pay huge amounts of money without trouble at all and they can pay almost instantly.