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September 03, 2024, 11:43:44 PM
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Indeed, when talking about Champions League matches, the results are always unexpected. Clubs that perform poorly in the Domestic League are actually focused on the opportunity to do better in the Champions League. Therefore, Liverpool should not underestimate Inter who have indeed performed poorly in Serie A. Moreover Arsenal will get a fairly difficult opponent like Atalanta, they were the Europa League champions last season and in terms of Atalanta game is strong enough to make Arteta game plan difficult.
I disagree if you conclude the results of UCL matches "always unexpected". I think it can be true if we say "sometimes unexpected".

IMO, every team should still focus on the domestic leagues until the end of the season. Even if they don't perform well there, it is impossible to put it aside. Each team must try to do their best in their domestic leagues, they have a minimum target to be achieved. For example Liverpool and Atalanta, they must keep their focus on domestic leagues because they will try to finish again in the UCL zone at least.

I agree that Liverpool must be careful with Atalanta. The bad performance in Serie A doesn't reflect the possibility of Atalanta in UCL. They may have bad luck in the early matches in Serie A, but it doesn't mean they will have bad luck in UCL matches as well. Sometimes a certain team has a stronger motivation when they play in UCL or UEL.

Well I had to quote both post to emphasize on the sentence the result are always unexpected.  I can say that the result might be unexpected not because of the assumption that club that performed poorly in their  domestic league can perform better in UCL( that's totally wrong though) why? Every club that participates in UCL are taken from the selection of top table finishers and I don't expect a team who performed woefully in their domestic league  to get selected in the first place. Thus about  the result, since the system changed a little them we should also be expecting some new results (so it's still very possible to have an unexpected results this time around) but at the same time I won't be surprised to see the opposite



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September 04, 2024, 12:11:28 AM
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But indeed, usually some elite teams have different results to the ones they have in the domestic league and in the Champions League because indeed, even though elite teams have good results in the domestic league, but the reality is that it is still possible for them to get bad results in the Champions League. But even so, when the matches have not started yet then surely we will have at least the same voice about the good chance for the elite teams in the Champions League, they still have a chance to win. What's more, with this new format because the system also has to get as many points as possible then of course these elite teams might perform even more optimally in the Champions League this season.

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I think it is true that top teams can do well in their country league but struggle in Champions League. But I believe new format will make them play even better. They will need to get as many points as possible to move forward so they will try harder. This will make competition more exciting and challenging. I am looking forward to seeing how teams change their approach to win. We are still getting used to new format but I think it will make Champions League more fun and unpredictable.

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September 04, 2024, 02:19:21 AM
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I agree that Liverpool must be careful with Atalanta. The bad performance in Serie A doesn't reflect the possibility of Atalanta in UCL. They may have bad luck in the early matches in Serie A, but it doesn't mean they will have bad luck in UCL matches as well. Sometimes a certain team has a stronger motivation when they play in UCL or UEL. It can be caused by their good history in the competition or the prestige value of the competition.
They lost big to Atalanta at their home stadium Anfield last season in Europa League and this is a painful lesson for Liverpool. Meeting Atalanta again in this season is a good opportunity for Liverpool to prove that their defeat last season is simply an accident and they are actually stronger and better than Atalanta.

To beat Atalanta, Liverpool must avoid same attitude, too confident like the last season, and can reduce risk of counter attacks from Atalanta. It will help them to minimize risk of losing against this opponent one more time.

I'm a Liverpool fan and if I'm being honest, that stats about not conceding any goals so far is just good for the records. The real test is going to be how long this Liverpool team can go before they lose it. My guess? Pretty soon.
Liverpool are performing impressively with their new head coach Slot but all teams have to fail some day. Liverpool are good but not too strong like a dominating team so that they can have unbeaten season like Leverkusen last season. Soon Liverpool will lose their first match in this season and it can come from any opponent. Liverpool are not perfect and Slot has many things to do with his players in this season.

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September 04, 2024, 03:56:13 AM
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I think it is true that top teams can do well in their country league but struggle in Champions League. But I believe new format will make them play even better. They will need to get as many points as possible to move forward so they will try harder.

36 teams have been identified and they are ready to compete for victory and champion. With a new format, of course, there are new challenges. There will be more matches. If I'm not mistaken, it has increased 2 times to 225 matches. It looks scary, because this is related to the fitness condition of the players. Maybe we will watch a lot of matches but the players may also be tired. The League phase will start on September 17 and the knockout phase on February 11.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%9325_UEFA_Champions_League

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September 04, 2024, 05:32:49 AM
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36 teams have been identified and they are ready to compete for victory and champion. With a new format, of course, there are new challenges. There will be more matches. If I'm not mistaken, it has increased 2 times to 225 matches. It looks scary, because this is related to the fitness condition of the players. Maybe we will watch a lot of matches but the players may also be tired. The League phase will start on September 17 and the knockout phase on February 11.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%9325_UEFA_Champions_League
For the first time new format present with 36 teams participants and each team have eight difference opponent teams in league phase, drastically difference with old format each participants only have 6 matches on group phase and face only with three difference opponent teams with home and away format. UEFA get advantage with new format because they have much commission from TV broadcasting because have many matches than old format and earn much profitable from advertising.

But have bad side for players with busy schedule matches in domestic league and must playing until eight matches in Champion League for the first time, I don't know how possibility with international schedule very busy and players return to their club with injury will bring bad impact for teams its self.
Its long schedule of league phase start from September 17 or one week later after international break out and finish at February 11 or next year than usually old format group phase taken until the end of December only.

 
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But indeed, usually some elite teams have different results to the ones they have in the domestic league and in the Champions League because indeed, even though elite teams have good results in the domestic league, but the reality is that it is still possible for them to get bad results in the Champions League. But even so, when the matches have not started yet then surely we will have at least the same voice about the good chance for the elite teams in the Champions League, they still have a chance to win. What's more, with this new format because the system also has to get as many points as possible then of course these elite teams might perform even more optimally in the Champions League this season.
Although the new system does not provide any guarantee, elite teams still have a great chance of winning the UCL title. Popular teams like Madrid, Man City and several other popular teams have experience and can always manage players to keep their performance stable. And we can see from the efforts made by Madrid who recruited many players this season and Man City also brought back former Man City players. This is the reason elite teams always get a greater chance. The most important thing is that experience is the key to success in competing in the UCL and the coach is also very influential.

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September 04, 2024, 07:01:01 AM
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Although the new system does not provide any guarantee, elite teams still have a great chance of winning the UCL title. Popular teams like Madrid, Man City and several other popular teams have experience and can always manage players to keep their performance stable. And we can see from the efforts made by Madrid who recruited many players this season and Man City also brought back former Man City players. This is the reason elite teams always get a greater chance. The most important thing is that experience is the key to success in competing in the UCL and the coach is also very influential.
I see this new single-league competition as an experiment. We will have to wait to see how things will turn out with this new pattern. Maybe there might be some adjustments in the future. Anyway, I commend UEFA for its creativity and innovation. This is why the Champions League has remained the most important yearly competition.

Big clubs will always have the advantage because they have enough money to buy the best players in the world. They are also able to hire the best coaches and have enough players to cover up for injuries and card suspension. Based on the current performance of Real Madrid, I don't think that the inclusion of some new players has impacted the club positively. They are struggling to remain dominant in the La Liga.

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Indeed, when talking about Champions League matches, the results are always unexpected. Clubs that perform poorly in the Domestic League are actually focused on the opportunity to do better in the Champions League. Therefore, Liverpool should not underestimate Inter who have indeed performed poorly in Serie A. Moreover Arsenal will get a fairly difficult opponent like Atalanta, they were the Europa League champions last season and in terms of Atalanta game is strong enough to make Arteta game plan difficult.
Underestimating the opponent is the biggest mistake a club can make, especially when they are competing in the UCL which always presents unexpected surprises. Inter were the Scudetto winners last season, they are also very experienced in the Champions League. Even though Liverpool is currently in their best form after successfully sweeping all points in the three games played in the EPL, there is no reason for them to underestimate their opponents, especially a team like Inter. Liverpool must learn from the result achieved when they were defeated by Atalanta last season in the Europa League, every match must be considered important even if the opponent they face is weaker than them.

In my opinion, Atalanta are not very strong this season, they have just suffered two consecutive defeats in Serie A. Arsenal, who are performing well, are one level above Atalanta, but Arteta must remain focused by fielding his best squad in order to achieve victory. Atalanta were so easy to beat in Serie A, they are very difficult to repeat the success achieved in the Europa League last season. Arsenal have always been consistent in maintaining their performance, especially this season their motivation is increasing to win the title, so Atalanta will not be too difficult for Arsenal.

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Guys, are you ready? Here is the league phase table that has been made and we will soon be in the first matchday in the next few weeks.

Of course this will be much tiring but also fun to see the new format with many exciting matches and I think we should prepare more money to bet considering the chances of multiplying it are also much greater.

In addition, we can see that there will be only 8 teams with the most points that will qualify for sure and there are 16 teams that will fight again in the play-off round to secure their steps to the last 16. On the other hand, for the 12 unlucky teams, they will be eliminated from the league phase and must try it in the next season.

Anyway, which match will you be looking forward to in the opening match later? For me, of course Liverpool against Milan will be a big match that we shouldn't miss.
Before the Group stage of the Champions League begins, we will first see a small pause on the League of Nations. Honestly, I am not at all enthusiastic about this new format, as soon as I looked at this table, I was reminded of this "another championship", I’m not sure that the teams is also delighted with this format, for them this is even greater load, and as a result, this can only lead to a deterioration in the quality of games. But let's look how it all will happen, because I have not yet fully figured out this innovation, so far I do not like it.
Indeed, this still poses a dilemma for some people and of course we have to get used to seeing it. Moreover, all teams must comply with the new regulations that will make it much more difficult for them to compete to win the title and there are also concerns that players will experience injuries.

Players are required to be able to play in all competitions and here it seems that the competition officials also don't want to know how they can arrange the schedule. This does seem like coercion, but every era must have something new and here the champions league must move to show something different. I think the decline in player quality if not balanced with intense training then it is very likely that it could happen.
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September 04, 2024, 08:14:26 AM
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Milan did not have a good start to the 3 matches. In contrast to Liverpool's performance in the Premier League, they won 3 matches in full, without even conceding a goal.
But we know that the team's performance in the Champions League is sometimes far from our predictions. Moreover, Milan will play at home, and also related to the rumor that the Milan coach might get bad luck if his team's performance does not improve.

Another interesting match is Arsenal vs Atalanta. Atalanta in Serie A has also only got 3 points from 3 matches. A bad start for a team that won the Europa League trophy last season. In terms of chances, Arsenal will definitely be more favored even though they will play at Atalanta's home.

I'm a Liverpool fan and if I'm being honest, that stats about not conceding any goals so far is just good for the records. The real test is going to be how long this Liverpool team can go before they lose it. My guess? Pretty soon.  Liverpool have won Milan a couple of times in the past so I'm sure that fixture will bring a lot of memories. I'm not saying this Liverpool team slot is building is not it but just stating some fact that Milan, despite starting poorly this season, shouldn't be underestimated.
About AC Milan vs Liverpool this is their first met after 2021 in Champion league and if we see based on head to head statistics in the last few years both teams has been met several times and i can see Liverpool has good records from Milan moreover we all know although both teams has new manager but Liverpool performance is much better compared to Milan because Liverpool under Arne Slot still managed their unbeated records since pre season tour and if we see from their recent performance i think Liverpool should be able to overcomes Milan

Just like i said before Liverpool strongest opponent for League phase is only Real Madrid and i know they also will facing Leverkusen but i don't think Leverkusen still very strong like last season even they just suffered a defeat in the Bundesliga so i am confident Liverpool also can beat Leverkusen and besides these teams Liverpool only will facing Leipzig, Bologna, Lille, PSV and Girona which the status of these teams is only mediocre teams

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September 04, 2024, 08:33:51 AM
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About AC Milan vs Liverpool this is their first met after 2021 in Champion league and if we see based on head to head statistics in the last few years both teams has been met several times and i can see Liverpool has good records from Milan moreover we all know although both teams has new manager but Liverpool performance is much better compared to Milan because Liverpool under Arne Slot still managed their unbeated records since pre season tour and if we see from their recent performance i think Liverpool should be able to overcomes Milan

We have seen Milan perform well in friendly matches before the start of the season. We thought AC Milan would come back stronger this season. But we have yet to see Milan play well in their three matches in Serie A. The Milan team could not win even one of the three matches. Milan have drawn two and lost one.

Milan's overall condition seems weaker than last season. On the other hand, the Liverpool team is in a very good position. Liverpool's players are now very confident after winning three matches in the Premier League. Therefore, the probability of Liverpool winning against Milan is the highest. I would say Liverpool will make no mistake in this match.

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September 04, 2024, 08:56:45 AM
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According to the schedules first fixtures of Champion league will be starting on September 17th - September 19th and according to the list i was found some interesting matches which we can called those are big matches such as

AC Milan vs Liverpool
Manchester City vs Internazionale Milan
Atalanta vs Arsenal

An interesting fact about Liverpool when playing against Milan is that Milan have not been able to beat Liverpool since 2008. It's funny because Milan have not been able to beat Liverpool for more than 15 years, which means that Liverpool have this historical advantage in games against Milan.



https://livescores.biz/h2h/liverpool-cf-vs-milan

Looking at the current situation of both teams, Milan has been an unstable team for many years, but at least they have managed to get through the group stage of the European Champions League (in the old format) while Liverpool have not done very well in the European Champions League in recent years. They were champions in the 2018-2019 season

Klopp's Liverpool get their reward

source: https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/history/seasons/2019/

but then they have not been able to perform well,

Even with the same coach and most of the squad. Now with a new coach they are playing better, they have had a good defense and honestly I see this current Liverpool with a good chance of winning the European Champions League again. But I don't see Milan being able to win the European Champions League, they were a very strong team in the years 2000 - 2010, they won the Champions League in the 2006 - 2007 season. Today they only make average signings, it doesn't even seem like a team that had Ronaldinho, Kaka, Cafu, Seedorf, Dida. Today they have a very low level squad.

About City's game against Inter, it will be a balanced game. Inter are strong.

About Atalanta's game against Arsenal, it is a difficult game to predict, Arsenal have been terrible in the Champions League

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September 04, 2024, 09:23:23 AM
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We can definitely see that UCL is harder than any other league, that has to be the most important part and this is why it gets so much viewership and so much money to everyone.

Normally in other leagues those big teams do get that money, like whoever finishes at the top five places and such, but in UCL everyone gets a lot, I think every team in group stages already gets like 20 million, in most leagues that's the money for the winner except a few, and only the big teams get that much in big leagues, when you go further you make more money than any other league.

So, this is why UCL is harder, because the reward is higher as well, teams like Dortmund reaching finals even for once means that they have enough money to get so many great players like they did this year. This is why every team puts the biggest emphasis on UCL, if you have a chance to rest a player for one game and play another, you rest him during the league and play him at UCL game without a doubt.

UCL league is the best league in football and any team that wins it knows what they went through before winning, real Madrid won the 15 Champions League and knew what they felt before winning the trophy, they played against big teams and worked hard to make sure they win the game. I like how the way the new UCL table looks, this season Champion League is going to be tough because there are many big teams in the league this season and there will be many challenges in the league.

Some big teams that will not be worried about the league are Real Madrid, Manchester City, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and other big teams that know how to play the league, bay Leverkusen is playing in the champion league this season and I don't think they can defeat some big team's because Leipzig has defeated them in Bundesliga league and that shows that they can't play like the way they did last season.

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September 04, 2024, 09:35:15 AM
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So 1st out of 8 matchdays will take place between Tue 17th Sep and Thu 19th Sep.
We'll see a total of 18 games, so plenty to choose from. The biggest one is probably Man City Vs Inter in Manchester. The champions of England and last year Champion's League finalists against the champions of Italy who almost made it to the UCL quarter finals (lost to Atletico Madrid on penalties).
Liverpool Vs Milan also sounds interesting, but Milan does not impress with their league games, with only 2 points earned in the first 3 Serie A games. Haven't checked the odds for this one yet but expect Liverpool to be a big favourite.
The match between Manchester City and Inter Milan is going to be a different ball game compared to what we saw the last time they met in the Champions league final. I don't expect Manchester City to lose that game. Moreover it is very rare for Manchester City under Pep Guardiola to lose first match of the season. The final was a bit tough because Manchester City were being careful enough to avoid mistakes that might cost them the title back then. Having lost the previous final to Chelsea the pressure was high for Manchester City to win the only trophy that they were lacking. But now Manchester City are playing without any pressure when it comes to winning the Champions league. Inter Milan are going to fight for a win but to me Manchester City are the favourite to take the three points. With the way they have started the season, it will take something extraordinary for inter Milan to stop Manchester City.

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September 04, 2024, 09:55:52 AM
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We have seen Milan perform well in friendly matches before the start of the season. We thought AC Milan would come back stronger this season. But we have yet to see Milan play well in their three matches in Serie A. The Milan team could not win even one of the three matches. Milan have drawn two and lost one.

To be honest you are right because I saw a serious decline in AC Milan performance compare to what they had on there pre season matches, I mean they were so impressive and even myself I was almost certain they would do the same on this league but it seems they are doing the opposite, seeing how they beat real Madrid and Manchester City on the pre season match without being told anybody can come to the conclusion that they will certainly do the same but watching them now is as if they were just showcasing themselves trying to prove to people that they are not be underestimated.

Even if they did not improve more on this season they should have at least maintain the performance they had last season but on the contrary they have drop so low, actually if they did not qualify for the champions League next season there fans will be very disappointed in them because it shows that there performance is not stable.

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About AC Milan vs Liverpool this is their first met after 2021 in Champion league and if we see based on head to head statistics in the last few years both teams has been met several times and i can see Liverpool has good records from Milan moreover we all know although both teams has new manager but Liverpool performance is much better compared to Milan because Liverpool under Arne Slot still managed their unbeated records since pre season tour and if we see from their recent performance i think Liverpool should be able to overcomes Milan

We have seen Milan perform well in friendly matches before the start of the season. We thought AC Milan would come back stronger this season. But we have yet to see Milan play well in their three matches in Serie A. The Milan team could not win even one of the three matches. Milan have drawn two and lost one.

Milan's overall condition seems weaker than last season. On the other hand, the Liverpool team is in a very good position. Liverpool's players are now very confident after winning three matches in the Premier League. Therefore, the probability of Liverpool winning against Milan is the highest. I would say Liverpool will make no mistake in this match.
Milan and Liverpool are two big European teams that have triumphed in the Champions League in the past, every time I watch their previous matches they always present very tight and balanced matches and in fact both teams often score a lot of goals in the matches that bring these two teams,   The match between Milan and Liverpool is a classic match that allows us to see a match full of high intensity later, but to be honest, for this season I don't dare to expect much from Milan, even though they got impressive results in friendly matches, but this is actually the opposite with the results they are getting in the league at the moment, Milan under the guidance of Fonsesca still haven't found their best performance and even facing with teams at the weak level as Torino and Lazio they only got 1 point in the league, so facing Liverpool who are currently on fire, of course it is very doubtful if they can win.
But let's see whether we will get a surprise from Milan later or whether the pressure for Fonsesca to resign will be even stronger from Milan fans.

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September 04, 2024, 10:09:35 AM
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About AC Milan vs Liverpool this is their first met after 2021 in Champion league and if we see based on head to head statistics in the last few years both teams has been met several times and i can see Liverpool has good records from Milan moreover we all know although both teams has new manager but Liverpool performance is much better compared to Milan because Liverpool under Arne Slot still managed their unbeated records since pre season tour and if we see from their recent performance i think Liverpool should be able to overcomes Milan

Just like i said before Liverpool strongest opponent for League phase is only Real Madrid and i know they also will facing Leverkusen but i don't think Leverkusen still very strong like last season even they just suffered a defeat in the Bundesliga so i am confident Liverpool also can beat Leverkusen and besides these teams Liverpool only will facing Leipzig, Bologna, Lille, PSV and Girona which the status of these teams is only mediocre teams

You are correct, according to H2H Liverpool has a good record against AC Milan, in their last seven meetings in all competitions, AC Milan has only won one of the games, while Liverpool has won the remaining six, so compared to the current performance of both teams, AC Milan is not in the best form, their performance has been so poor since the start of the season, they failed to win any of their last three games, drew two, and lost one. Liverpool, on the other hand, has won their previous three league games with a clean sheet, despite the fact that every club takes their Champions League games seriously, Liverpool remains the favorite to win.

I believe we should not underestimate Leverkusen's ability against any team this season, probable they don't want any of their main players to be injured before the Champions League games, which is why they don't want to put a lot of pressure on the Bundesliga title this season after losing to Leipzig in their last game, but I'm looking forward to seeing how Leverkusen competes with another great team in the Champions League this season.

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September 04, 2024, 10:11:32 AM
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We have seen Milan perform well in friendly matches before the start of the season. We thought AC Milan would come back stronger this season. But we have yet to see Milan play well in their three matches in Serie A. The Milan team could not win even one of the three matches. Milan have drawn two and lost one.
To be honest you are right because I saw a serious decline in AC Milan performance compare to what they had on there pre season matches, I mean they were so impressive and even myself I was almost certain they would do the same on this league but it seems they are doing the opposite, seeing how they beat real Madrid and Manchester City on the pre season match without being told anybody can come to the conclusion that they will certainly do the same but watching them now is as if they were just showcasing themselves trying to prove to people that they are not be underestimated.

Even if they did not improve more on this season they should have at least maintain the performance they had last season but on the contrary they have drop so low, actually if they did not qualify for the champions League next season there fans will be very disappointed in them because it shows that there performance is not stable.

Milan's main weakness is their defense. And I don't think they'll improve their defense any time soon. AC Milan have dropped points in all three of their matches due to poor defence. The team conceded 6 goals in 3 matches and managed to score 5 goals. Another important point is that Milan's opponents were not very strong in these three matches. Even so, Milan conceded 6 goals.

Milan's opponents in the Champions League, Liverpool, are very strong. And Liverpool have plenty of talented players in their midfield and forward lineup. The players are also in good form now. Liverpool will not find it difficult to break down Milan's weak defence. For these reasons I think Milan have no chance of winning against Liverpool. However, football is always unpredictable. Favorite teams are not always able to win. But I would say it is unlikely to happen in this match.

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September 04, 2024, 11:19:59 AM
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In my opinion, Atalanta are not very strong this season, they have just suffered two consecutive defeats in Serie A. Arsenal, who are performing well, are one level above Atalanta, but Arteta must remain focused by fielding his best squad in order to achieve victory. Atalanta were so easy to beat in Serie A, they are very difficult to repeat the success achieved in the Europa League last season. Arsenal have always been consistent in maintaining their performance, especially this season their motivation is increasing to win the title, so Atalanta will not be too difficult for Arsenal.
What has happened in Serie A this season to the Atalanta team should not be taken entirely as a judgment because Atalanta could have given their best game in the Champions League this season although I also do not imagine Atalanta could beat opponents like Arsenal easily. Because in the Champions League all teams will definitely put all their best abilities into play in order to win, especially this season each team will go through a different way in the Champions League which will require each team to develop a more precise strategy.

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September 04, 2024, 01:07:21 PM
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Milan's overall condition seems weaker than last season. On the other hand, the Liverpool team is in a very good position. Liverpool's players are now very confident after winning three matches in the Premier League. Therefore, the probability of Liverpool winning against Milan is the highest. I would say Liverpool will make no mistake in this match.

I agree with this. Liverpool is in a superior form than Milan and they will be the undisputed favourite to win that match. The only advantage Milan has is that they're at home but even that won't matter much against Liverpool in their current form.
I understand that the Champions League is different and maybe a different atmosphere for Liverpool but I don't think that would be the case based on the level of confidence Liverpool show currently.

I believe we should not underestimate Leverkusen's ability against any team this season, probable they don't want any of their main players to be injured before the Champions League games, which is why they don't want to put a lot of pressure on the Bundesliga title this season after losing to Leipzig in their last game, but I'm looking forward to seeing how Leverkusen competes with another great team in the Champions League this season.

The Champions League is not a reason they lost their match against Leipzig, they lost because Leipzig was better. Leverkusen didn't play badly, but Leipzig was just better.
For the Champions League, the tough fixtures they'll have are against Liverpool, Inter, and Milan. They might get some points from those matches and also get a lot of points from the other matches so there's no need for them to panic. I don't think anybody is underrating them, I wouldn't.

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