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August 28, 2024, 08:22:20 PM
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Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.
You are very much on point here OP, the real fact is to game and with all angle of strategies just to win and if be possible, the gaming strategy would be of discovering possible steady winning to discover soluble tricks in their daily lives or to keep their minds rolling with funs and then when the strategy is discovered, it is diverted as a source to maintain playing on the gamble of making profits.

Literally no one would be stupid enough to find opportunities to make profits while participating in an activity by which others are thriving for and then just ignores it.

Once I made a thread in the board here about playing chess games being possible to rebuild ones ability to solve technical issues and also how ones thought of gambling strictly to discover solutions to their lives are more interests of why they gambles and not prioritizing winning in on make profits while gambling but then when the strategy is met, with no doubts, there would be every conditions that they would revert the case not to Opt out of the gambling anymore to be strick on gambling to win and make profits because winning strategies to make profits along the line would be admitted.



I believe you and the Op are not wrong from your view of things but I believe like you said no one would see the opportunity of getting profits out of a game and then choose to ignore it. Well I don't know about anyone else but I believe gambling is basically about the thrills and profits and this is the true even though there are games that do improve many other things about you and not in a monetary way but there are few and even the activeness of gamers on it is to the very bear minimum.

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August 28, 2024, 08:23:36 PM
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This is an interesting approach, but personally, I feel I don't have that much time to involve myself in such research where the results are unknown. I'd rather come to the casino to have some fun, minus any pressure. And I'd also like to go into investment and business because sure, there's much more realistic potential for profits there.

Exploring investment and business opens up chances to learn more tangible markets and strategies and enhances odds of long -term gains. Unlike gambling, in which the results tend to be uncertain, in investment and business, you can make the facts -based decisions because you have data.

Researching gambling might seem interesting but is more often time-consuming and very laborious. On business and investment: yes, not only is it more realistic but it also provides clearer chances of long-term development and of having cash. This is how one would adopt a more disciplined approach to money management and wealth creation.

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August 28, 2024, 08:28:09 PM
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Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

Game testers are those that I know of that play for researching purpose because their feedbacks are going to be used to improve the games. Casino games testers get paid to try the games hence they're doing their job and playing for money. Not being a game tester, I don't think I can play just because I want to research on the games. If I wanted to improve myself, there are better things I can do and it will be certain that it'll improve me and not risking going to gamble. Do you know from gambling for research, you can become addicted when you don't have a strong emotional control abilities. There's only two reasons that's been done by more gamblers because that's what gambling is more known for. We gamble to make money or to get entertained, there's not many participants in other reason for gambling hence, it isn't not popular for others to copy.

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August 28, 2024, 08:30:50 PM
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Research is somewhat a scientific word, and it conot something that it result and pattern of analysis can easily be repeated.

But in the gambling the pattern of playing is not repeateble and can't be use for future reference, because it doesn't follow a systematic approach, this make gambling game in whatever category to be way out of the content of research based.

Following a pattern and vonurability in play to earn the only help the developers to improve they gaming systems, but doesn't have a guaranteed lay down approach that can be repeated by the players with aim to win the game consistently.

I agree, somewhat. It is extremely difficult to replicate something which depends entirely on probability. But if you are doing statistical research on gambling, you can discover out a lot of things about human behavioral patterns. Although I assume the ones who are doing this kind of research are the casinos themselves in order to find out how to make a larger profit....

But I imagine that addiction research studies could discover a lot of interesting findings that could help people.

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August 28, 2024, 08:38:20 PM
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The most things that makes people to participate in gambling mostly is because of a to earn the money from the gambling anyone who state openly that the reason why it participated in gambling is because of catching Cruise that person is telling fake information because I know very well that every gambler have a mission and the mission of the person is to benefit from the gambling that is why whenever they lose money they became depressed and the upset so the major thing that makes people to participate fully in gambling is because of a money, I could remember one of my brother the name is [obinna] that gamble because of Cruise but immediately obinna lose in gambling open my began to feed disappointed that means the reason why it involves himself into gambling is because of he want to make a fast money

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August 28, 2024, 08:56:24 PM
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I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.
Yes, it's true that there can be more purpose in gambling depending on an individuals area of specialization, but one thing which remains certain is that inasmuch as you may claim to gamble for research and development purposes. Let's not forget that these can only be done by people who are already researchers, and only wants to gather more information about how the gambling system works and what factors contributes to making a person win or lose while gambling, because apart from that, the primary reason why majority of people still gamble is simply because of the added advantage it gives to earn extra cash or have fun. As whatever happens next could be classified as secondary reasons or factors, which are still welcome development.

So, on the contrary, even people who gambles for money or fun do make research before embarking placing a bet, which is normal.

 
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August 28, 2024, 09:03:48 PM
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Playing normal games to improve your skill is quite understandable but gambling is actually made for made fun purposes and to some flipping their money. Reason why I don't see gambling as something we can use for research purposes or self improvement is because you are taking a risk that might make or break you.Games like chess, puzzle, cards and so on without any form of gambling whatsoever can improve your mental ability, but if gambling gets involved that no longer becomes the case

Gambling is for fun on paper but the reality remains money making intentions. No gambler will ever agreed they gamble for the money but the intention is there for the money. If not for the money, what's there to bring about addiction and going back to gamble through and forth if not for the fact that they want to make money they have lost to casino. If really there is fun, addiction will not be there because gamblers wouldn't go back there is lose money or if money is never involved.

What's there to research about when the gambling was made by another person to make gamblers drop money for them? There is one reason to gambling, it's money and the rest are just subsidiary that are irrelevant to players. The money is the goal and nothing else.

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August 28, 2024, 10:29:58 PM
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So, on the contrary, even people who gambles for money or fun do make research before embarking placing a bet, which is normal.
Like, you're right here. I dont know why he was classifying gambling for research in a different category when we all know that most gamblers don't just gamble like that they make sure they have done good research and analysis on the games they want to include in their bet slip. Whether a gambler is gambling for fun or profit, they spend time doing quality research, although some do gamble blindly.

The most things that makes people to participate in gambling mostly is because of a to earn the money from the gambling anyone who state openly that the reason why it participated in gambling is because of catching Cruise that person is telling fake information because I know very well that every gambler have a mission and the mission of the person is to benefit from the gambling that is why whenever they lose money they became depressed and the upset so the major thing that makes people to participate fully in gambling is because of a money, I could remember one of my brother the name is [obinna] that gamble because of Cruise but immediately obinna lose in gambling open my began to feed disappointed that means the reason why it involves himself into gambling is because of he want to make a fast money
Of course, some people gamble not because they want to earn money. I wouldn't doubt them but you can say that there a lot of gamblers are into gambling for the profit they will make from it. The research purpose is mostly done when a gambler wants to make a profit but for fun, they would just love to gamble blindly without considering if they win or not, it's just al based on luck.
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However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.
When you mention gambling with the purpose of researching, I can imagine someone who would gamble to research determined behavioral patterns on himself as an experiment. Gambling games can be an useful field of experiments to determine how the process of addiction takes place and how the emotions and feelings start taking place in the human's body until reaching the final stage of the addiction itself.

I guess it's more useful to consider gambling this way than when trying to predict the next numbers accurately, because gambling will be always unpredictable and the chances are always against the gambler on long term. So it's more interesting to understand the correlation between gambling and human behavior than trying to find a gap on the system to take advantage from it somehow, which theoretically it's something impossible to do.

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August 28, 2024, 11:49:46 PM
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When you mention gambling with the purpose of researching, I can imagine someone who would gamble to research determined behavioral patterns on himself as an experiment. Gambling games can be an useful field of experiments to determine how the process of addiction takes place and how the emotions and feelings start taking place in the human's body until reaching the final stage of the addiction itself.
But this is not more a research. How gamblers feel, what makes gamblers become addicted and depressed after losses are known and researched on professionally. So he is not making any research but he just wants to waste his money. People gamble for two reasons which are making money (which is bad) and for entertainment (which is good).

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August 28, 2024, 11:52:29 PM
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Gamblers look for a pattern; that is the usual thing we do, thinking that is the only way to beat the house and win. But unfortunately, it never worked as we expected. Whether we like it or not, from time to time it changes, and there is no way to see the pattern likely to happen again. We can do research as it can help us understand how gambling works, but still, this never means it will be our assurance to winning because if it does, they are all bankrupt. 

They already anticipate it and make gamblers realize that luck is the only thing we need to win, not patterns or any beliefs.

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August 29, 2024, 01:40:45 AM
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Gambling is for fun on paper but the reality remains money making intentions. No gambler will ever agreed they gamble for the money but the intention is there for the money. If not for the money, what's there to bring about addiction and going back to gamble through and forth if not for the fact that they want to make money they have lost to casino. If really there is fun, addiction will not be there because gamblers wouldn't go back there is lose money or if money is never involved.

What's there to research about when the gambling was made by another person to make gamblers drop money for them? There is one reason to gambling, it's money and the rest are just subsidiary that are irrelevant to players. The money is the goal and nothing else.
Well there're still some gamblers who gambles for fun  more than money but it could be so rara at this current age (let's  say maybe 15%) not saying that they aren't gambling for money though but they still gamble for fun more than the money aspect .
However the remaining 85% gambles for money , money and more money Cheesy.... but there are some aspect of gambling that can make you research especially  when it comes to sport but nevertheless the money is important.

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August 29, 2024, 02:50:04 AM
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Playing normal games to improve your skill is quite understandable but gambling is actually made for made fun purposes and to some flipping their money. Reason why I don't see gambling as something we can use for research purposes or self improvement is because you are taking a risk that might make or break you.Games like chess, puzzle, cards and so on without any form of gambling whatsoever can improve your mental ability, but if gambling gets involved that no longer becomes the case

Gambling is for fun on paper but the reality remains money making intentions. No gambler will ever agreed they gamble for the money but the intention is there for the money. If not for the money, what's there to bring about addiction and going back to gamble through and forth if not for the fact that they want to make money they have lost to casino. If really there is fun, addiction will not be there because gamblers wouldn't go back there is lose money or if money is never involved.

What's there to research about when the gambling was made by another person to make gamblers drop money for them? There is one reason to gambling, it's money and the rest are just subsidiary that are irrelevant to players. The money is the goal and nothing else.
making money is a reality that is the goal of most people who gamble, but unfortunately gambling should not be a way to make money because basically this is a means of entertainment that has a reward side that can be obtained with luck on your side, unfortunately many of those who aim to make money will actually make them addicted to the strong desire to win making them unable to stop betting.
The addiction that occurs a lot is certainly caused by their wrong goals in betting, this is certainly in my opinion it is impossible for those who are addicted to be caused by anything other than the desire to make money from gambling. although money is the goal of most gamblers, gambling is not just about money, there are many other things that must be considered so that everything is under control properly.

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I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

In my terms probable your gambling and gaming make a lot more sense if thought of as a research and development activity rather than just playing games for fun or money. The type of gambling and gaming described here will nurture such skills as pattern recognition, risk assessment, and realistic strategic thinking. Historical data and resultant trend analysis in sports betting can give valuable insights into the likely outcome of the next event. Such a research-driven approach may be used to improve gaming and betting, since, by identifying within complexity an area of betting, one is able to boost game design or betting rules in order to create more equality and balance. Such a perspective indeed has a very important place within game-based games, where the opinions of players can widely influence their development and economics. However, all such research has to be weighed against ethical consideration of feasibility so that these are not operating equitably or causing harm to the environment. From research to profitability can be a natural progression provided systems are identified and strategies implemented; however, it needs caution as betting dynamics can change rather fast. Generally speaking, your approach testifies to deep psychological knowledge of gambling and gaming in the interest of system improvement, as well as the establishment of fairness for all involved.
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I never thought of that until I read this. Thank you @OP.

I mean, yes, somehow I can totally understand everything about my favorite sport. That's growth. Development.
While having fun, we might not realize that we are getting better at predicting games and we can make parlays that we think can win even though we are betting a small amount only. It doesn't matter. Fun + Growth is something to realize.
Before, I just made my bets by blindly picking or just relying on the odds that was given by the bookies. But as you lose more money, you will try to do your own research and you never realize that you are accumulating all that knowledge and you get better as time flies by while doing it over and over.

It's not 100 percent but I can say it's better than before.

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Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

You don't realize the contradiction in this?
You don't play for research, you make that said research in order to be able to play and win!
No matter how you twist it you end up with the same situation where your end goal is making money out of it, besides, research would not even need actual playing, all you have to do is the analyzing of your possible takes and then the next day see if it was right or wrong!

It's still the same, you either care about the money or you care for the thrill, nobody is doing his PhD in predictions.
No, I don't see any contradiction. At first I play for research purposes, for example, trying to find some patterns that will help me win in the future. And after my research is finished and I have found a pattern that I can exploit - after that I start playing for money. But if our goal is to find deep and non-obvious patterns, then it is obvious that we will be doing our research for a long time. We will do repeated experiments to confirm or disprove various secondary hypotheses. And even after playing for money, we may again have a productive hypothesis. And in order to test it, we must again play not for the sake of winning, but for the sake of research.

 
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When you mention gambling with the purpose of researching, I can imagine someone who would gamble to research determined behavioral patterns on himself as an experiment. Gambling games can be an useful field of experiments to determine how the process of addiction takes place and how the emotions and feelings start taking place in the human's body until reaching the final stage of the addiction itself.
But this is not more a research. How gamblers feel, what makes gamblers become addicted and depressed after losses are known and researched on professionally. So he is not making any research but he just wants to waste his money. People gamble for two reasons which are making money (which is bad) and for entertainment (which is good).

I think if the addiction process lasts for a long time or I mean there is no change whatsoever that leads to goodness then I think it is clear as you believe that the gambler has not done any research at all regarding his approach and mindset towards gambling, because if he did do research then there should be changes that occur slowly, such as being able to get better and not being too depressed when he loses, in the sense of being able to accept the defeats they experience. On the other hand, if it turns out that the research is aimed at getting more money then I think in the end it will still just be a waste of time, although basically I understand that sports betting is a type of game that can be learned but we have to remember that it is not entirely, or I mean there is something that is the casino's advantage that gamblers can never beat.

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You may find people who say they gamble to make money acceptable, but those who say they gamble just for fun are baseless. Gambling puts our money at maximum risk and none of us can say that we will win money by gambling, so no one would want to have fun risking so much money. They may say one thing but their state of mind is another. Maybe when they win by gambling, they are very happy mentally, but when the gambler loses money by gambling, he suffers from mental depression.

We gamblers should take gambling seriously but never think that we will own a lot of money by gambling or take gambling as our full time profession but should take gambling seriously now so that we don't lose money by gambling.
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You may find people who say they gamble to make money acceptable, but those who say they gamble just for fun are baseless. Gambling puts our money at maximum risk and none of us can say that we will win money by gambling, so no one would want to have fun risking so much money. They may say one thing but their state of mind is another. Maybe when they win by gambling, they are very happy mentally, but when the gambler loses money by gambling, he suffers from mental depression.

We gamblers should take gambling seriously but never think that we will own a lot of money by gambling or take gambling as our full time profession but should take gambling seriously now so that we don't lose money by gambling.

That's why gamblers should only use the money they are willing to spend, in order for situations like that to not occur. Staying true to yourself is essential, not blindly going by temptation.

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No, I don't see any contradiction. At first I play for research purposes, for example, trying to find some patterns that will help me win in the future. And after my research is finished and I have found a pattern that I can exploit - after that I start playing for money.


Here you go again... Grin
Your research is only motivated by finding a way to earn more, so you're not gambling for research, you're researching to win in gambling!

Let me point out the two scenarios
- gambling for research
You put bets on it, you analyze your bets, your spending habits, how much you lost, how much you won, and how this has influenced your daily life, you do this for twenty days, publish your research and you stop gambling. This is gambling done for research just as you eat at fast-food restaurants for research and once it's done you don't set foot in one anymore!
- research for gambling
You analyze bets, you analyze predictions, and you simulate betting in order to find a way to win more than you lose, your goal is not the research itself, it doesn't stop with it, your goal is winning, and it won't stop while you make money from it!

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