Games with a research purpose.

[SatoPrincess]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

In my opinion, people gamble for this two reasons only. Contrary to your views, I think people gamble more for profit than they do for fun. Even the end result of this “research and development purpose” is to discover new ways to increase your odds of winning and making money from gambling. So in truth, you’re gambling to earn money.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting?

No I don’t think so. It’s like saying people who are good at statistics make more money from sports betting. When it comes to gambling past outcomes are never a guarantee of future outcomes.

[Zlantann]

No, I don't see any contradiction. At first I play for research purposes, for example, trying to find some patterns that will help me win in the future. And after my research is finished and I have found a pattern that I can exploit - after that I start playing for money.

You are just contradicting yourself in what you just said above, because are you trying to tell us that while doing your research as you claim above to find a suitable pattern for gambling, are you not going to be gambling with money? And if you are not going to be gambling with money, then what makes it to be classified as gambling? Because, no matter how you may claim to twist your statement, I still not see any difference in it, to what people have already been doing ages, by making a Head-to-Head sport analysis before placing a sport bet.

I don't see any form of contradiction in what he has explained. He can bet with very small amounts as he is conducting his research. After he has discovered or observed some pattern, he will now increase the amount of his bet to exploit the opportunity he has discovered.  

So while experimenting your hypothesis, are you going to be using money to stake on live games? Yes or No, because if it's "NO" then that can not be gambling, and as such it's unethical to say that gambling is used for "research purpose" and sounds unprofessional.

There are also demo games that can be used for such experiments. But just as I explained above, using a small amount to do the research. Don't see research as only what is done in school, you can carry out nonscientific research and still derive sound conclusions. A researcher can conduct research in any field including gambling.  

[summonerrk]

I have read a post on this forum and on that post, the OP was actually talking about the health benefits of gambling which he outlined some and there are also some people that gamble for such purpose. There are also a few people that might have this same gambling purpose as you but the most popular purpose why some people gamble is because they want to make money or to have fun. Majority of gamblers are doing it for the money. When I first started gambling, the reason that pushed me to it was profit making but now that I understand the cons and pros of gambling, I am gambling for fun and only risking the amount of money I can afford to lose.

And it's very good that you managed to look at yourself from the outside and think about where your future path as a gambler leads. I've heard many stories about those who, after their first and quick win in gambling, began to play uncontrollably, wanting to repeat their win as soon as possible. It turns out that sometimes in gambling it is much better to lose at the beginning of your path.
A paradox?
Definitely.

[Dewi Aries]

I have read a post on this forum and on that post, the OP was actually talking about the health benefits of gambling which he outlined some and there are also some people that gamble for such purpose. There are also a few people that might have this same gambling purpose as you but the most popular purpose why some people gamble is because they want to make money or to have fun. Majority of gamblers are doing it for the money. When I first started gambling, the reason that pushed me to it was profit making but now that I understand the cons and pros of gambling, I am gambling for fun and only risking the amount of money I can afford to lose.

And it's very good that you managed to look at yourself from the outside and think about where your future path as a gambler leads. I've heard many stories about those who, after their first and quick win in gambling, began to play uncontrollably, wanting to repeat their win as soon as possible. It turns out that sometimes in gambling it is much better to lose at the beginning of your path.
A paradox?
Definitely.

I think it all still depends on whether you know and understand what and how gambling really is before you get involved in the activity, because if it turns out that you don't have a real understanding, then I think even if for example at the beginning of your involvement you experience defeat, it is still possible for you to think about trying to recover the defeat that has befallen you, because when someone is not aware of the risks, then I think it is very unlikely for them to have the ability to accept themselves regarding the risks.

So actually it doesn't matter even if for example at the beginning of your involvement you get a win or experience a defeat, of course it can be both situations for a gambler to lose control with the scenario of repeating the game to get a similar win, or continuing gambling in the hope of pursuing recovery.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

Sorry but this makes no sense to me to be honest with, and this is because your reason for playing games for research purposes doesn't really tally in.
If your reason for playing games for research purposes was because you are a game developer and you play this games to better build your ideas and skills, then that is absolutely understandable.

But playing games for research purposes where your reason is just to find winning patterns to exploit, this i totally disagree with.
For example, tell me, what type of winning pattern do you hope to find while playing a Slot game where there are little to no winning strategies, the player have to completely depend on luck to win?
What about sports betting where there are no better winning patterns than your own knowledge in sports and your ability to correctly predict the outcome of matches?

[Mpamaegbu]

From my childhood I've been seeing people that will stay all day in bet shops researching and analyzing games. Back then it was in pool shops where you'll see men seriously permutating the odds of football games...

Yeah, I also remember that era of "poology" too. Era when old men would quietly sneak into pool shops, away from the preying eyes of their wives (especially if those men were unemployed or financially handicapped) to flip papers and measure their dexterity at speculating what football outcomes could be. Era of Nap and Permutations. Scottish, Australian and English seasons were the focus then. The English season produced more draws than the Australian season but the latter paid more than the former. Then, pool betting was like old men kind of cruise. However, as someone who's adventurous I went all out and had a few bets as a student who needed to experience the pool thing firsthand.

Funny how that sounds now. Back then it was heavily frown at as those who were known to indulge such were classed and labelled irresponsible, never-do-wells. It was like, to be honest too, those into it were cursed as most of them never achieved much even if they won some bets. That can't be said to be the case now. Looking at it now, we see how technology has helped advance the whole betting thing.

[Oasisman]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

This only means that you are actually gambling in a smart way. People who often gamble to try to earn money, they are not actually doing enough research to develop their skills in a more effective way to get a higher percentage in winning in the future. It's just like they are having fun while earning thinking that they've already had the basic understanding how gambling works, so that made them a little complacent that earning through gambling may not be as hard as everyone thought.
It's just rare to see people who perceived their purposes in gambling differently than the most common goals why people gambles.

[vs2014]

In fact it might make more sense to me if i were gambling for the sake of research. Moreover through the demo account i can do it normally, but there is not marked with the result of winning or losing. Moreover the more you bet in gambling, the more strategies you will learn. On the other hand for research purposes it does not change your gambling results to be tagged gambling. So the only goal of our gambling bets is to double the money. It's not like i win or lose every time i bet. It plays with my luck so stop betting if your wheel of luck doesn't turn at all.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

       -     If there is a purpose for the appearance of gambling platforms in the crypto space, I see only two things there: to make a gambler responsible or irresponsible. There are those who will benefit, but the majority will not benefit from the gambling casino that they will be playing on the gambling platform.

But I don't believe that when it comes to casino players themselves, they can develop skills; I can even believe in web developers or programmers who can enhance their skills.

[sunsilk]

Actually, that makes sense. It's like getting a hand of yours and how it will go as you gamble to see for yourself and how the experience will be.

The observation is there and it's up to you to what kind of analysis, research, or testing you're trying to do with the specific games of your choice.

Losing isn't going to be painful and winning won't give you that much joy at all because the main purpose of what you're doing is to gather information to whatever the purpose of that research you're doing.

[coolcoinz]

Sure, you can play for research purposes, especially if you're a journalist, a developer, a casino owner, or even a streamer. Most people use it as an excuse to gamble more, telling people how it's their job, how they want to improve themselves through gambling, but in reality they're just addicts. Listen mom, I lost all the money,m but I did some research in the process! I'm gonna write a paper about it and be famous

I'd like to know what research can you do on a game of dice? Are you going to test martingale to prove that it doesn't work?

[0t3p0t]

Gambling actually has it's positive sides if we try to look that way and for me personally I like the idea of decision making in gambling not just place bets and done but sometimes we tried to think for something so we can anticipate good outcomes even though things are really dependent to luck. It can also develop our mathematic skills so you can't fool gamblers with numbers because they are good at it.

[nara1892]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

In my opinion, people gamble for this two reasons only. Contrary to your views, I think people gamble more for profit than they do for fun. Even the end result of this “research and development purpose” is to discover new ways to increase your odds of winning and making money from gambling. So in truth, you’re gambling to earn money.

Well, that's right, I also don't see any other possible goals that someone can bring into gambling other than those two things, namely making money or seeking entertainment. About the purpose of research for development? I agree with you that in the end the idea is still likely to lead to the goal of making money, because when someone has the intention to research something, it means that he is looking for information related to a way that has a higher chance of achieving the goal, and that goal is most likely to make money, meaning that the idea ultimately still leads to point number one, namely to make money.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting?

No I don’t think so. It’s like saying people who are good at statistics make more money from sports betting. When it comes to gambling past outcomes are never a guarantee of future outcomes.

Basically, the idea of ​​research can indeed develop or improve a person's knowledge and skills, especially in sports betting or betting that has a track record to be analyzed, but of course when you have reached a level of skill that you think is good, in the end gambling will always be attached to the fact that there is no one way or another to be able to predict the results of the match accurately, luck is something that can never be learned by someone, so as you said that something that works now will not always guarantee success in the future.

[348Judah]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

As you have also said, every one of us gambling may not have the same reason or purpose to why we are gambling, some may be doing it for pleasure purpose while some are eager and desperate in making money from gambling, but as you have declared on your own case, you gamble for research purpose, this looks interesting and at the same time uncommon for me to see that some could actually be gambling for research purpose as in your case, however, we keep on learning each day and so we see many with different reasons to why they are gambling.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I have read a post on this forum and on that post, the OP was actually talking about the health benefits of gambling which he outlined some and there are also some people that gamble for such purpose. There are also a few people that might have this same gambling purpose as you but the most popular purpose why some people gamble is because they want to make money or to have fun. Majority of gamblers are doing it for the money. When I first started gambling, the reason that pushed me to it was profit making but now that I understand the cons and pros of gambling, I am gambling for fun and only risking the amount of money I can afford to lose.

And it's very good that you managed to look at yourself from the outside and think about where your future path as a gambler leads. I've heard many stories about those who, after their first and quick win in gambling, began to play uncontrollably, wanting to repeat their win as soon as possible. It turns out that sometimes in gambling it is much better to lose at the beginning of your path.
A paradox?
Definitely.

I think it all still depends on whether you know and understand what and how gambling really is before you get involved in the activity, because if it turns out that you don't have a real understanding, then I think even if for example at the beginning of your involvement you experience defeat, it is still possible for you to think about trying to recover the defeat that has befallen you, because when someone is not aware of the risks, then I think it is very unlikely for them to have the ability to accept themselves regarding the risks.

So actually it doesn't matter even if for example at the beginning of your involvement you get a win or experience a defeat, of course it can be both situations for a gambler to lose control with the scenario of repeating the game to get a similar win, or continuing gambling in the hope of pursuing recovery.

It's been said countless times that gamblers should be prepared to accept what ever out they get from their bet and should also learn how to stake with any amount of money that they comfortably lose without panic. If a gambler risk only a small amount knowing that they can lose the money, then they will not gamble so impulsively trying to recover what ever huge amount they must have lose.

[Dewi Aries]

I think it all still depends on whether you know and understand what and how gambling really is before you get involved in the activity, because if it turns out that you don't have a real understanding, then I think even if for example at the beginning of your involvement you experience defeat, it is still possible for you to think about trying to recover the defeat that has befallen you, because when someone is not aware of the risks, then I think it is very unlikely for them to have the ability to accept themselves regarding the risks.

So actually it doesn't matter even if for example at the beginning of your involvement you get a win or experience a defeat, of course it can be both situations for a gambler to lose control with the scenario of repeating the game to get a similar win, or continuing gambling in the hope of pursuing recovery.

It's been said countless times that gamblers should be prepared to accept what ever out they get from their bet and should also learn how to stake with any amount of money that they comfortably lose without panic. If a gambler risk only a small amount knowing that they can lose the money, then they will not gamble so impulsively trying to recover what ever huge amount they must have lose.

Yes but sometimes it is not uncommon or even the majority of those who become losers, saying is always much easier than practicing, I admit that, and when we really find it difficult to suggest the best approach to gambling then I think there is no other way we can do it than to let them continue, because in the end I believe that the slump and regret will tell them about what is right and what is wrong.

So maybe I can conclude that in the end there are some gamblers who can listen to the best advice and there are also some of them who are really stubborn, and for them in the end maybe only time and pain will tell them and then change their approach to a more correct direction as you said.

[OgNasty]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.

This is a good point. I do enjoy betting on sports games because it adds another element to my entertainment. However, I will say that I also like the idea that I’m testing out my forecasting skills and putting my knowledge of the game up against other bettors to see who is the better forecaster. This is rewarded by odds when you are right against the crowd. It’s like a game inside a game.

[Julien_Olynpic]

I know people who like to solve difficult puzzles or play chess with the computer or play card games with the computer. They say that it is interesting to track their progress. At the very beginning, they cannot solve even the basic puzzles or solve the simplest solitaire. Later, when they begin to learn and develop, they reach more and more significant levels.
A similar process occurs with forecasting in sports betting. We make mistakes, but this allows us to improve. That is why such gambling gives us pleasure.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

I have read a post on this forum and on that post, the OP was actually talking about the health benefits of gambling which he outlined some and there are also some people that gamble for such purpose. There are also a few people that might have this same gambling purpose as you but the most popular purpose why some people gamble is because they want to make money or to have fun. Majority of gamblers are doing it for the money. When I first started gambling, the reason that pushed me to it was profit making but now that I understand the cons and pros of gambling, I am gambling for fun and only risking the amount of money I can afford to lose.

And it's very good that you managed to look at yourself from the outside and think about where your future path as a gambler leads. I've heard many stories about those who, after their first and quick win in gambling, began to play uncontrollably, wanting to repeat their win as soon as possible. It turns out that sometimes in gambling it is much better to lose at the beginning of your path.
A paradox?
Definitely.

         -      When playing gambling, we must also think that there are only two things we can always face when playing gambling, and that is to lose and win and nothing else; regardless of the intention or reason, those are the only destinations of the gambler.

That's why it's important to play gambling that we have self-control or discipline in ourselves. We know that when we have it, we can prevent and control the situation in the things we should do that don't even have to lead to addiction.

[Strongkored]

Actually the ultimate goal is the same, which is to make money, and I am sure that people who gamble to make money or just for fun also do research, not carelessly in choosing, for example in sports betting they still research the team or athlete to be chosen and find out from various sources which opportunities are the greatest for them to be able to make money even though the gambler says the purpose of his gambling is just for fun, so there is no difference, everyone wants to make money in gambling, whatever their reasons and methods in gambling.