Iran and Israel

[Hispo]

I see the world divided between Israel and Iran because they ideology. But that I see more clearly is that both countries are killing innocent people.

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... Very soon Israel will disappear from the world.

Very unlikely Israel will be eliminated or severely attacked, as long as the United States continues to keep their current foreign policy on them. Haven't you notice how both the Republican and the Democrat party seem to be in conflict for many issues, expect one: their unconditional support for the State of Israel. Something very drastic would be required for the USA to abandon that policy, either a third party takes over the government through democratic means or slowly the State of Israel starts to lose support from both Europe and the Americas.
Iran is developing their nuclear arsenal, we all know that, but even them are not reckless enough to fire those kinds of weapons against an USA ally. They are more strategic than led by their pure impulses.

[liebefreund]

Israel will at least hold the defense, we wish you good luck!

[Swordsoffreedom]

... Very soon Israel will disappear from the world.

Very unlikely Israel will be eliminated or severely attacked, as long as the United States continues to keep their current foreign policy on them. Haven't you notice how both the Republican and the Democrat party seem to be in conflict for many issues, expect one: their unconditional support for the State of Israel. Something very drastic would be required for the USA to abandon that policy, either a third party takes over the government through democratic means or slowly the State of Israel starts to lose support from both Europe and the Americas.
Iran is developing their nuclear arsenal, we all know that, but even them are not reckless enough to fire those kinds of weapons against an USA ally. They are more strategic than led by their pure impulses.

Israel is a strategic pawn of the United States to maintain their dominance in the Middle East, as long as the United States exists, Israel will continue to exist. I can't think of any scenario where Israel would disappear anytime soon unless the US found a better replacement, but that wouldn't be easy either.
Israel is being pampered by the United States to the point of becoming arrogant and uncontrollable. I think the only way that can make Israel less arrogant is strong opposition from NATO, I don't think the US can stop their arrogance.

You do have a point, Iran has and will continue to develop their nuclear arsenal, but a direct or open confrontation with Israel is not something they want either.

[Hispo]

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There is also the slim possibility Israel could completely depend on Europe in the case the United States suffered a change of heart on their position towards Israel.
I don't know about you, but I personally like the approach Obama took towards Iran, he offered a way to soften those economical sanctions against the Islamic republic in exchange of Iran never developing their nuclear capabilities to get nuclear weapons, he somehow was trying to cold down tensions in the region. Donald Trump, for some reason destroyed what Obama had built and ripped off the Iran nuclear deal, to me that was a mistake, had he not done that it would had been possible for the USA to monitor the nuclear program of Iran and today we would not be afraid of their uranium enrichment facilites.

Even if Iran managed to built their own massive destruction weapons, they won't use it. They have gotten accustomed to use proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah. Those weapons are only to disuade the United States from overthrowing the regime of Tehran.

[pooya87]

Very unlikely Israel will be eliminated

Project Israel is already over. This little branch of US military has always been expendable and today the US regime is squeezing whatever they can out of it before they cut its funding and letting it rot.

Those weapons are only to disuade the United States from overthrowing the regime of Tehran.

Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal and it didn't stop US regime from overthrowing its government not so long ago. Besides if US could overthrow anything in Iran they would have done it already in the past 45 years... They're not gonna give up trying though

P.S. Iran doesn't need to have nukes to nuke its nuclear armed enemies... just sayin'

[Kavelj22]

Maybe you should spend your energy asking better questions like what happened to the Arab world that they allowed Zionist dictators to take over their countries and start ruling over them?

Yes, there is one religion and there is peaceful coexistence. But why do the Shiites in the region endure more than others? Simply because they are being moved by a force that is parallel to a colonial plan in the region and no less dangerous than the Zionist plan. Iran supports a single Sunni movement, Hamas, because it faces a common enemy, which is the Zionist plan that competes with it. Have you ever heard of Iran supporting other resistance factions in Palestine? Great, have you ever heard of Iran supporting armed movements that are not Shiite, other than Hamas in Palestine? Sometimes, because we are so weak and defeated (as arabs), we imagine anyone who helps us as a hero and supporter of the resistance, just like us, while he is a wolf waiting to kill his competitor, the wolf opposite him, so that he can pounce on the prey.

[Nothingtodo]

Fight between Iran and Israel
I heard it on news that a great fight is currently on between this two countries

Everyone knows that Iran has gone to war on behalf of Palestine. However, after the death of Iranian President Ibrahim Roysi, the war was suspended for several months. But now the relationship between Iran and Israel is getting worse.

[Wakate]

Fight between Iran and Israel
I heard it on news that a great fight is currently on between this two countries

Honestly this is crazy dude! What do you expect and how do you expect the war to go like because I war is not something we need to be happy about. There are so many wars going on now which have affect food supply and many people are left in huge suffering without nothing to eat. War is not something we need to rejoice about just like some people that was happy when Hamas and the people of Gaza attacked Israel then. Afterward they received the fruit of their weakness after killing innocent civilians including expatriate that was in the country for the festival. We don't have to embrace war because it can skyrocket anytime soon and things might even get worsen.

[Glen Hoddle]

Iran should have attacked more, because the Israeli population should have been completely destroyed.  Because other countries are using this Israel to fight, and they are secretly supplying weapons. So Iran should support Muslim countries at this moment, this attack has moved Israel.  Therefore, if all the countries attack together at this time, Israel will surely fall into a heap of destruction.  This should be the best time to attack Israel.

[pooya87]

Have you ever heard of Iran supporting other resistance factions in Palestine? Great, have you ever heard of Iran supporting armed movements that are not Shiite, other than Hamas in Palestine?

I forgot the exact number but there are between 30 to 40 resistance movements in Palestine and Iran supports all of them. If you want Iran to support Zionist employees like Mahmoud Abbas, it will never happen as long as they work for the Israeli terrorists and keep arresting Palestinian people. Majority of the resistance fighters in the Israeli torture dungeons being raped by Israeli soldiers are arrested by Abbas forces. Remember محمد جابر aka ابوشجاع aka the icon of resistance in West Bank and how Abbas goons kept trying to arrest him while people fought them off?

There are lots of branches elsewhere as well like the Resistance in Syria that fought US backed ISIS that have nothing to do with Islam or Shia for that matter.
There are also currently brigades waiting to enter Golan heights to liberate the Syrian soil and then Palestinian soil that are not even religious.

we are so weak and defeated (as arabs)

And whose fault is that?

It is worth noting that Iran was like that as well before 1979 (before the Islamic Revolution). Back then Iran had a dictatorship installed and backed by the West that was also supporting the Israeli terrorists and supplying them with cheap oil. Eventually Iranians rose up and toppled that dictatorship and things changed.
It is even more interesting to know that back then anyone from other countries that was supporting Palestine was demonized similar to how Iran is demonized today by Zionist propagandists.

Although I have to say your case and persistence on repeating the Zionist propaganda against Iran (the colonial thing) is becoming strange (maybe even suspicious) and an isolated thing. Specially these days that this is what the Arabs are saying:


From what I see the Arabs are increasingly outraged at the dictators that are ruling over them that not only are against Palestinian movements fighting for their freedom but also these dictators or better called usurpers are supporting the Zionist enemy specially after the Zionist say "they are going to take over Makkah and Madinah and cleanse them the same way they are 'cleansing' Gaza". Something you don't seem to be concerned about at all.

For example recently the Saudi mouthpieces like their papers and their channels like MBC have taken a step further and are openly insulting Palestinian people by referring to them as terrorists the real Arabs are outraged.

[Marvell1]

Iran should have attacked more, because the Israeli population should have been completely destroyed.  Because other countries are using this Israel to fight, and they are secretly supplying weapons. So Iran should support Muslim countries at this moment, this attack has moved Israel.  Therefore, if all the countries attack together at this time, Israel will surely fall into a heap of destruction.  This should be the best time to attack Israel.

I don't know if this idea will kill all the Israeli terrorists or make them more docile. But if this happens then many innocent people will die in the Middle East and worse it could cause world war 3 because we all know that the US and its allies are supporting terrorists.
This idea only makes the conflict more tense and worse, we need a more effective solution and must put the lives of innocent people first.


In my opinion, this war could be prevented if the US and its allies stopped supplying weapons to terrorists but this would be very unlikely as this may be what the US wants. Because they are all terrorists, hypocrites but always think they are messengers of peace.

[SAFGJX]

Although Israel and Palestine are two states in the Middle East, they have different religions. Israel is politically and militarily stronger than the Palestinian state. As far as I can remember Israel's territory is much smaller than other countries. Due to which, even if another small country attacks, the country is more likely to be destroyed. And so they need more territory to automatically survive and hold power in this world. In particular, Israel wants to maintain its hegemony and power in the Middle East. Maybe because of these reasons, Israel wants to fight with its allies and occupy the Palestinian territories. On the other hand, another powerful country located in the Middle East is Iran. War broke out between Israel and Iran because Iran sided with the Palestinians. As the days go by, the war situation is getting worse. None of us know what will happen next or when the fight will end. Finally, I want to say that there can be no good in war, and if there is any good, it is harm

[Rabata]

Iran should have attacked more, because the Israeli population should have been completely destroyed.  Because other countries are using this Israel to fight, and they are secretly supplying weapons. So Iran should support Muslim countries at this moment, this attack has moved Israel.  Therefore, if all the countries attack together at this time, Israel will surely fall into a heap of destruction.  This should be the best time to attack Israel.

Israel is a virus in the Middle East that will not let the region rest in peace. The attempt to control Muslim countries by using them in different ways is now known to everyone. The recent Israeli attack on Lebanon is definitely part of the war they have prepared. However, even if several Muslim countries in the Middle East remain silent, Iran will not accept it. Iran will resist this war with all its might and if Israel does not give up then they will have to face terrible situation. At this moment the situation has reached such a stage that if any kind of war breaks out from this area, the world will rush towards world war. Iran is currently a military powerhouse that has the power to destroy Israel. If Israel does not back down, the world will soon be headed for another great war.

[MillerMike]

Israel has successfully eliminated terrorists, and the other day they killed one, very skillfully. He's not a puppet, they're great!

[BADecker]

Israel has successfully eliminated terrorists, and the other day they killed one, very skillfully. He's not a puppet, they're great!

However, Israel probably sent sleeper spies into Iran long ago. But Iran seems to have some classified weapons that are so complex that even the Israel spies can't begin to figure them out.


Iran sitting on “secret weapon” more powerful than nukes, general claims


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-10-20-iran-secret-weapon-more-powerful-than-nukes.html
Iranian Brigadier Gen. Ebrahim Rostami has come forward to claim that Iran currently has in its arsenal weapons that are "superior" to any of the nuclear bombs currently held by Western power brokers. Rostami made this claim after Iranian lawmakers were called on to review the country's non-nuclear military doctrine to remove the ban on developing nuclear weapons amid ongoing threats from Israel about a military strike.

Speaking to the media, Rostami, who previously worked as secretary of the Development and Equipment Commission of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), indicated that he supports the review to change portions of Iran's non-nuclear military doctrine, but that parliamentarians are unaware of "some aspects" of what it currently states because the doctrine contains "highly classified and top-secret information."

The Iranian military, according to Rostami, has already deployed in the past "weapons that are far superior to nuclear weapons," including on one occasion in 2019 when Iran attacked oil tankers in the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

"When Trump wanted to reduce our oil exports, there were a number of tactical operations," Rostami claimed in a statement.

"I will not say who carried them out, but five tankers blew up in the highly guarded port of Fujairah. They did not even know where the attack came from. They even filed a complaint with the UN. The UAE accused us, but could not provide evidence. These are some of the examples I can mention."

(Related: Could Iran have been referring to the unleashing of this "secret weapon" when it promised to respond to Israel's attack on Lebanon with "obliterating war?")

If Israel has the right to defend itself, so does Iran
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[pooya87]

However, Israel probably sent sleeper spies into Iran long ago. But Iran seems to have some classified weapons that are so complex that even the Israel spies can't begin to figure them out.

That's not how spies work in this day and age. You don't send spies to another country, you hire from locals. Example:

Network of Israeli citizens arrested after spying for Iran

FBI agents surged through a luxury apartment building in Washington, DC, and arrested two men who allegedly spent years pretending to be Homeland Security officers

As for weapons, the Iranian not-classified weapons are already too scary and significantly effective and deadly as we saw in operations True Promise 1 and 2... and those were just lowest tiers of revealed weapons. There are still lots of tiers to climb to on the escalation ladder before reaching the classified ones

[BADecker]

However, Israel probably sent sleeper spies into Iran long ago. But Iran seems to have some classified weapons that are so complex that even the Israel spies can't begin to figure them out.

That's not how spies work in this day and age. You don't send spies to another country, you hire from locals. Example:

Network of Israeli citizens arrested after spying for Iran

FBI agents surged through a luxury apartment building in Washington, DC, and arrested two men who allegedly spent years pretending to be Homeland Security officers

As for weapons, the Iranian not-classified weapons are already too scary and significantly effective and deadly as we saw in operations True Promise 1 and 2... and those were just lowest tiers of revealed weapons. There are still lots of tiers to climb to on the escalation ladder before reaching the classified ones

As for sleeper spies, you sound like you might be one of them... trying to confuse the issue.

As for REAL advanced technology, Iran is much closer to the locations where the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and married any they chose... Genesis 6.

I won't go into the details about this here, but the 'sons of God' are angels/aliens with alien technology. It's way more serious than you think. But it IS a guess that Iran has mastered more of that alien tech than the US or Russia have.

Bible 'stuff' has its base in things that really happened. If you want to see more info about this, and more logic to it than almost anywhere else, look at Rob Skiba's Youtube channel, videos about the Nephilim - https://www.youtube.com/@RobSkiba/featured.

[Popkon6]

Iran should have attacked more, because the Israeli population should have been completely destroyed.  Because other countries are using this Israel to fight, and they are secretly supplying weapons. So Iran should support Muslim countries at this moment, this attack has moved Israel.  Therefore, if all the countries attack together at this time, Israel will surely fall into a heap of destruction.  This should be the best time to attack Israel.

Israel is a virus in the Middle East that will not let the region rest in peace. The attempt to control Muslim countries by using them in different ways is now known to everyone. The recent Israeli attack on Lebanon is definitely part of the war they have prepared. However, even if several Muslim countries in the Middle East remain silent, Iran will not accept it. Iran will resist this war with all its might and if Israel does not give up then they will have to face terrible situation. At this moment the situation has reached such a stage that if any kind of war breaks out from this area, the world will rush towards world war. Iran is currently a military powerhouse that has the power to destroy Israel. If Israel does not back down, the world will soon be headed for another great war.

Israel has launched a new attack on Iran, and this attack is likely to take a more serious form. Because of its past attacks, Iran warned Israel that if they retaliated, the Iranian attack would be several times stronger.  However, the big countries of the world who are ready to sell weapons to Israel are preparing a blue plan for the war, the possibility of a massive conflict between Israel and Iran is very high at the moment.
 Because the more attacks, the more Iran will start to counterattack, although there are big countries behind Israel, only a few countries are behind Iran, which I think will be ready to give strength invisibly. The only way this war will end is if all the Muslim donor nations unite to resist Israel, because Israel has hurt Palestine so much and the blueprint for Iran's war with Israel is forming again.

[pooya87]

Israel has launched a new attack on Iran

Calling that an "attack" is an insult on the world attack
I've already covered it in full in this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5515399.0

Arabs in the region are already making jokes about that pathetic attempt that completely failed and the caricatures are coming out. Here is the funniest one in my opinion:

[Popkon6]

Calling that an "attack" is an insult on the world attack
I've already covered it in full in this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5515399.0

Arabs in the region are already making jokes about that pathetic attempt that completely failed and the caricatures are coming out. Here is the funniest one in my opinion:

Israel launches wave of retaliatory airstrikes against its enemy Iran
A view of Tehran capital of Iran is seen, early Saturday, Oct. 26, 2024.

Iran’s military said the strikes targeted military bases in Ilam, Khuzestan and Tehran provinces and caused 'limited damage,' without elaborating.

Israel attacked Iran with a series of pre-dawn airstrikes on Saturday in what it said was a response to the barrage of ballistic missiles the Islamic Republic fired upon Israel earlier in the month.

The Israeli military said its aircraft targeted facilities that Iran used to make missiles fired at Israel as well as surface-to-air missile sites. There was no immediate indication that oil or missile sites were hit — strikes that would have marked a much more serious escalation — and Israel offered no immediate damage assessment.

Source link: https://www.euronews.com/2024/10/26/israel-launches-strikes-on-military-targets-in-iran-officials-say
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Explosions could be heard in the Iranian capital, Tehran, though the Islamic Republic insisted they caused only “limited damage” and Iranian state-run media downplayed the attacks.
Still, the strikes risk pushing the arch-enemies closer to all-out war at a time of spiralling violence across the Middle East, where militant groups backed by Iran — including Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon — are already at war with Israel.

However, the airstrikes on Iran without any warning were retaliatory strikes by the two countries, although the damage to Iran was normal. However, Iran has been attacked twice so far, so if the war and counter-attacks continue, the possibility of a larger-scale war between the two countries could be seen.