Why does merits source takes time to be approved?

[Mrbluntzy]

Please vote wisely and give your overall opinion towards this. Again if similar topic has been raised before please share links maybe I can start over there to see what effort that has been put over there.

Thank you.

I am of the opinion that "there should be a voting system" and "Everyone should be allowed to vote"

Everyone should be allowed to vote except newbies and junior member. The reason why I am on the opinion that those low rank should not vote is because they don't have a better knowledge of the merit applicant that will do very well if they are appointed and because newbie members don't have the idea about the member they will pick, they will only pick randomly. High ranks such as member rank to legendary who have a good knowledge about the forum and have also have knowledge about the forum member will pick wisely.

If newbies are also allowed to vote, some people can cheat because it is so easy to just register a new account for the purpose of voting. Therefore, if everyone must vote, there should be some arranged criteria to be used. It's just my opinion.

[Perfectbaby]

Please vote wisely and give your overall opinion towards this. Again if similar topic has been raised before please share links maybe I can start over there to see what effort that has been put over there.

Thank you.

I am of the opinion that "there should be a voting system" and "Everyone should be allowed to vote"

Everyone should be allowed to vote except newbies and junior member. The reason why I am on the opinion that those low rank should not vote is because they don't have a better knowledge of the merit applicant that will do very well if they are appointed and because newbie members don't have the idea about the member they will pick, they will only pick randomly. High ranks such as member rank to legendary who have a good knowledge about the forum and have also have knowledge about the forum member will pick wisely.

If newbies are also allowed to vote, some people can cheat because it is so easy to just register a new account for the purpose of voting. Therefore, if everyone must vote, there should be some arranged criteria to be used. It's just my opinion.

Well like I said voting may be from DT members and not just from an ordinary members who does not know the sole purpose of merits source. If this restricted are set leaving on DTs or few admin and mods to do voting it would be nicer than just keeping everyone silent.

[Botnake]

Well like I said voting may be from DT members and not just from an ordinary members who does not know the sole purpose of merits source. If this restricted are set leaving on DTs or few admin and mods to do voting it would be nicer than just keeping everyone silent.

Good suggestion, they became DT members for a reason (they’re trusted), so we should trust their judgment too. A DT member being a merit source as well means we can be fairly confident (though not 100%) that merit distribution is pretty balanced. Of course, they might have favorites, but I doubt they give merits just based on that. I’m sure they still consider the quality and value of the post.

So yeah, I voted in the poll. I think a voting system would be a good idea.

[Bitcoin Smith]

Well like I said voting may be from DT members and not just from an ordinary members who does not know the sole purpose of merits source. If this restricted are set leaving on DTs or few admin and mods to do voting it would be nicer than just keeping everyone silent.

Good suggestion, they became DT members for a reason (they’re trusted), so we should trust their judgment too. A DT member being a merit source as well means we can be fairly confident (though not 100%) that merit distribution is pretty balanced. Of course, they might have favorites, but I doubt they give merits just based on that. I’m sure they still consider the quality and value of the post.

So yeah, I voted in the poll. I think a voting system would be a good idea.

DT system is kind of back scratching phenomenon so it makes anyone to be on DT2 if they like that person but it should not be used in the way. Whatever merit source is not same as DT, for someone who needs to be merit source they really needs to be trusted from the administration and ensure there won't be any abuse at all which is one of the reason theymos has been hesitant with adding merit sources and staff members if I am not wrong.

Maybe staff members or people from DT1 can only makes sense if ever we consider the voting system.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Why you trying to fix a system that isn't broken. Has there being complaints that the current system isn't functional properly. How to be chosen as a source is open to the public, you highlight 10 unmerited posts or those that haven't received enough merit and theymos reviews your report.

When there's an available slot you get offered the job. There isn't any need to start bringing voting that'll bring politics into the whole thing. Anything voting will come with biased views so let's just let it be as theymos know what he's doing.

There haven't been much new sources getting approved lately because (according to theymos) they're already lots of merit in circulation but although the circulation isn't in equilibrium still people are getting rewarded for their quality discussions so no need for any altering, my opinion.

I am of the opinion that "there should be a voting system" and "Everyone should be allowed to vote"

[lovesmayfamilis]

Why you trying to fix a system that isn't broken.

I am of the opinion that "there should be a voting system" and "Everyone should be allowed to vote"

I agree with you. According to the OP, given his position on voting, it would be necessary to add open voting (I think he was too modest to suggest this ) so that those who elected their preferred source of merit would then have the right to demand merit from him. It's like the presidential elections—we elected you; now, please, do it. I even see a separate list of people from his friendly company who will choose their candidate.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Well, merit sources cannot accumulate merits for longer, than a month. If you have 10 merits per month, then when you have more, they are reduced. Which means, that if you have hundreds of received merits, and you become a merit source, then if you don't send all of them quickly, they will vanish.

So, merits can be accumulated only by those, who are not merit sources. Because if you are a source, then you have a choice: send some merits, or lose them (after a month).

I'm afraid this is a falsified information! You ain't no merit source so how did you resolve on this? I don't mean to derail the thread but the warnings are barely kept in place to incentivise people to not HODL them, which would affect the general circulation if everyone decided to, but, for a fact, nothing really happens to 'em smerits.
So merit can be accumulated by anyone regardless.

But wait.. is this how source behave? I feel like boss

This may also be a problem 

Apparently I don't have this idea, meaning those who are source and are not sparing it away to people get burned after the duration of months, so what is there need of not giving them out to post that worth in their local boards or English boards?

The system is made in a way that the frequency in distribution is solely dependent on the user's preference; choice of quality, interest, exposure, all to their own discretion. Seems like that's the reason why Theymos is even more cautious on WHO, WHAT deems their interest as "quality" and how effective they can be overtime.  Man, in some type of ways, I think I love how he delays everything without even saying a word! Cause, most people are just the usual OPPORTUNIST.

[Mate2237]

The voting system is not too bad as well. And I also support only DT members voting system because if you allow everyone to vote there will be an over population voting. And this can make the DT members to be functional and respected in the forum. And those who submitting merits application will give respect to those DT members. And there will be friendly coexistence among members. And if theymos is appointing any merits source  it should be the one that is generous and not the user that is selective.

And from the merit give out from the applicant so far, some of them doing well, merit is scarce in the forum this days probably the current merit sources are on break. There should be replacement of those that have left.

[Alone055]

It's funny how some people think that the DT system is completely flawless and there won't be politics, partiality, and personal matters/grudges if they are given the right to vote for a specific group of people for them to have certain privileges. 

Just a reminder to all those who are suggesting that it is a good option to only allow DT members to vote in this matter, DT members are not a group of people who are chosen by a higher authority for their services and everything. This used to be the case before, but things changed.

So, I think we should leave such decisions to the admin, theymos, because he is the only one who we can trust 100% for thinking only for the well-being of the forum without having any personal issues or anything affecting his decisions.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

Even though he has no interest to accept more merits source at least he should raised a topic to address people who are queuing up longing to be accepted..

No need, the fact that the admin is silent about this, means that merit distributions from merit sources is enough regardless the other sources are inactive, and the current merit sources do their job, so adding a new one is not yet an option, maybe if there is a huge decline of merit distribution from the sources.

Do you know that if there are enough merits in circulation there wouldn't had been a time some people would have applied for their local board merits source, and if the merit is going across then no need people applying for fillippone merits review and again hugeblack who was doing review has as well close his thread for months now if I am not mistakenly. So what about those local board request for merits source does it mean they have enough merits in their local board? And don't you think is right time he demotes those who aren't active to distribute their merits to more active people?

Please make use of the voting system.. poll above.

I buy this point I put in bold. I remember when I was new in this forum sometime last year, the merit sources like hugeblack, The Cryptovator, Welsh and others were very much active to distribute merit to well deserving members of the forum and it was easier for those putting in their best to grow and rank up, but most of them are now not really having much time for the forum activates, I don't blame them though because we all are always looking for greener pastures and I think some of them found it outside the forum.

However, they should give up their positions as merit sources or Theymos can add more merit sources to aid them in their absence. The forum needs more merit sources and there are capable users to appoint, it's sad to know it takes this very long appointing one since some boards in the forum needs them urgently.

[Woodie]

I voted for the "Let theymos decide."

You know the fact that one person handles managing the forum which is his priority makes a valid reason why the process takes long, and  I don't think much time is given to finding merit sources for the fact that mods are also needed or changed once in a while makes this whole process difficult to keep track of because you want to separate those that know the forum well from those that read more of other users posts who can make good merit sources.

To be honest,  to give merit value they need to be scarce and one way of doing this is to have less merit sources and not more...AFAIK making ranking up difficult is one of the reasons I think the forum keeps going too

[notocactus]

To be honest,  to give merit value they need to be scarce and one way of doing this is to have less merit sources and not more...

Merit are not scarce, but quality posts are scarce.

AFAIK making ranking up difficult is one of the reasons I think the forum keeps going too

There are less merit sources in 2024 than several years ago, see Merit source observations but total monthly sourced merits are higher than in early years since Merit system kick of in 2018.

And who told you ranking up in 2024 is harder than years ago?

[Perfectbaby]

To be honest,  to give merit value they need to be scarce and one way of doing this is to have less merit sources and not more...

Merit are not scarce, but quality posts are scarce.

AFAIK making ranking up difficult is one of the reasons I think the forum keeps going too

There are less merit sources in 2024 than several years ago, see Merit source observations but total monthly sourced merits are higher than in early years since Merit system kick of in 2018.

And who told you ranking up in 2024 is harder than years ago?

I think forum mostly recognized active poster and not lazy people who don't want to put efforts to contribute to the forum, again when you watch people nowadays seems that they are not putting energy to advanced the forum although I know that not everyone must have a technical knowledge or experience but at least should contribute in the area where they feels they knows more better, with this the forum will be a lovable place for everyone though it's still an admirable place but efforts is what needed to grow here.

[Alone055]

And who told you ranking up in 2024 is harder than years ago?

Technically, it is, based on the fact that users before the merit system could rank up by posting garbage around the forum because all they needed was activity points which one could achieve by making posts regardless of the quality of your posts. A single word such as "Yes" or two words such as "I agree" could earn you activity points if it wasn't removed by a mod. So unless you guys are talking about the years when the merit system existed, it was easier to rank up before it.

However, that is or has been about users who don't deserve to rank up in the first place. Anyone with enough understanding about the forum and this industry will not find the merit system to be a barrier in their way of achieving higher ranks for their account. The merit system was introduced to stop account farmers, spammers, and those unworthy of ranking up to rank up.

[fillippone]

And who told you ranking up in 2024 is harder than years ago?

Maybe ranking up is more complex, but I think today it is easier to figure out what bitcoin is, given the vast amount of resources, and how to behave in the forum, given as well the number of guides and threads.

As always, all is about dedication.

Speaking of guides:
Ranking up is possible! 2900 Merits earned in less than 12 months!My 11 Hints!

[Alone055]

And who told you ranking up in 2024 is harder than years ago?

Maybe ranking up is more complex, but I think today it is easier to figure out what bitcoin is, given the vast amount of resources, and how to behave in the forum, given as well the number of guides and threads.

Hey @fillippone. Nothing major, but you pretty much messed up the quote in your post there.  

The text "And who told you ranking up in 2024 is harder than years ago?" was posted by @tranthidung in this post of his but you made it look like @Perfectbaby wrote that in his post.

As I said, nothing major, but you should probably rectify that to avoid any sort of confusion.

[Perfectbaby]

And who told you ranking up in 2024 is harder than years ago?

Maybe ranking up is more complex, but I think today it is easier to figure out what bitcoin is, given the vast amount of resources, and how to behave in the forum, given as well the number of guides and threads.

As always, all is about dedication.

Speaking of guides:
Ranking up is possible! 2900 Merits earned in less than 12 months!My 11 Hints!

Well to me I am not complaining about ranking up and it's something that based on dedication and self developer, because anyone who is dedicated can easily grow here without the need to have any difficulty within the forum. But for sure it's always difficulty to start as starter or newbie but whenever user manage to secure the full member rank it's always easier to grow more faster than beginning as newbies or Jr.member.

[Mpamaegbu]

I know my rank is too low to have this discussion over here but it's too saddened to see that lot of people applied for merits source and yet no attention is being given to them especially that of Icopress...

Oh yeah? Icopress isn't a merit source? I didn't know that until now. I thought he had been all along. Anyway, maybe it's because I don't actually check who's a merit source and who isn't.

Even though he has no interest to accept more merits source at least he should raised a topic to address people who are queuing up longing to be accepted, when he showed concerned it makes it more fun and a lovable place to stay with couples with the purpose while the forum is being created.

Theymos is intentional with what he does and also by not putting up regular appearances here. It's like a big masquerade in a traditional setting. It puts up appearance once in a blue moon by creating scarcity in order to avoid familiarity. Whenever it does appear, the expectant audience erupts in excitement.

That brings us to the whole idea to Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power. It's captured in Law 16  –Use absence to increase respect: The value of something increases with scarcity..

[Perfectbaby]

I know my rank is too low to have this discussion over here but it's too saddened to see that lot of people applied for merits source and yet no attention is being given to them especially that of Icopress...

Oh yeah? Icopress isn't a merit source? I didn't know that until now. I thought he had been all along. Anyway, maybe it's because I don't actually check who's a merit source and who isn't.

Never made him source, though for now i can't still tell but when I came across his merits source application i was touched seeing how reputed he could be and yet such honor wasn't granted to him. It's actually painful to see that he isn't one them.