[an offer is not actual any more] Initial Financing for Mining Farm Project

[Etranger]

Let's assume for a second that you're intentions are real:

Let’s assume for a second that you are an owner of 3 successful businesses.

  Why should I give you $150k to sit around and dream about how to spend $40 million?

I don’t know where you’ve read that for 150 000 $ somebody will sit around and dream how to spend
40 000 000 $.
Maybe, that is the methodology that made you the owner of 3 successful businesses.

Why don't you do that for free? 

Why don’t you work for free?
If your 3 successful businesses are made by non-paid labor, it is a pity.

It's as if you want to start a business, but you want someone else to pay you for the time it takes to do the research and the legwork.  That's now how things work.  If I'm the one with the money and I hire a team to sit around and discuss how to spend my money, that makes it my business.  It doesn't belong to the the team sitting around and dreaming on my dime.

Well, then you should concentrate on your business and do not intervene in others

You bring nothing to the table other than a dream.  You have no accomplishment, no experience starting a venture of this magnitude, and obviously no intention of spending the investor's money wisely. 

What did you bring on the table except accusations?
Nothing

Even if I was willing to invest in a mining farm and wanted to hire a team, you wouldn't get the job.

Maybe if we choose to make a “successful business”, we should hire you to consult us. I think you can do it also for free

If you open 4 successful business with mining facility with your own money - let us know. So we can look through your budget and expanses in details with the devotion of yours

Lol, you stuck like a broken record?  This is almost parody level humor, except I know you're being serious.

Parody level humor - communicating with such individual as you
If you so disgusted with our project and the idea that to do some things - there must be payment, than I ASSUME that you completed comedy duo with another “respected” member of this forum who consumes Pierogi

[Vod]

You find some strange arguments. My goal was not to convince anyone of anything. I just don't like it when people without a brain (like one character here ), without any arguments, without any experience, start throwing shit on other people's projects, without understanding, but just because they don't understand or envy the authors of the project )

So DrBeer's mental illness is triggered when more successful people offer him advice.    I guess he cannot speak to me directly anymore, but I've made my point 

[BrokenM14]

~

I never claimed to own 3 businesses, reading comprehension is important.  Regardless, my business is none of yours.  This isn't about me, I'm not the one requesting a loan.

And, yes, when I was starting businesses I worked for my future.  No one paid me.  It's called deferred gratification.  In this case, it's the opposite of entitlement.

[Etranger]

I never claimed to own 3 businesses, reading comprehension is important.  Regardless, my business is none of yours.  

You did not claim, that’s for sure  

But this guy, who I was referring to, claimed

As for your competency, it's rather clear to me (since I've started 3 businesses in my life) that you are guilty of that accusation yourself.

Writing comprehension is no less important

[DrBeer]

Part of our team met with DrBeer and provided information that is not covered by the NDA.

Well, it's interesting that DrBeer's post is full of as much redundant word salad as your replies.  Like "NDA."  Do you even know what NDAs are for?  How is an NDA helping you?  You've already disclosed how you intend to squander the initial $150k.  Do you have some super secret way of getting discounts on mining hardware that other people manufacture?  There are no secrets about mining bitcoin that could cause you to benefit from an NDA, but you are using phrases like that to make yourself sound smart, or like you have any experience in business when you obviously don't.  You're just spewing more bullshit.

~
I hope I have clearly and unambiguously answered your PROPOSAL ?

Look up the word "proposal," I didn't make any.  Stop trying to sound like you're smart because you're failing miserably.  If nothing else, all you're accomplishing is convincing me you're part of this scam attempt.

1. Preliminary position but quite valid - DireWolfM14 and Vod are the same person ? Well, nature can't produce 2 such similar underdeveloped organisms and bring them together in one forum !
2. the first assumption is that you are frightened and cause panic any words that you do not know, do not understand. For example, not understanding what and how NDA is used, says that you have NEVER created your own business, did not negotiate and did not sign contracts. This makes you angry - people create business, you are not able to, it pisses you off, it shows once again in your life that you are an empty place against the background of most others
3. Immediately answer - yes I have a business both in Ukraine and outside of Ukraine And for a long time. Direction - IT. Tell me what you have ? Well, except for stupid unargumented anger towards the more successful, ie to the majority of people on earth .
4. For all the time of your pathetic attempts to primitively insult the authors of the project and me, you have never asked a single constructive question. As practice has shown - and you are not interested in answers, and it is clear - you are nothing as a specialist in the field, or as people who can create their own business You need correspondence only to realize your complexes. Though in this you look like losers, and primitive ones at that
5. Can you argue at least one point of the work done (see the list above), and bring that it made no sense, and should have been done differently (and describe how). If you can't do that - you will confirm the previous 4 points

I have a suggestion - stop this pathetic “show”, and try to get into the subject and formulate logical questions ? So far you look like cryptlo-clowns, and very unsuccessful

DireWolfM14 and Vod: “Uniquely useless” is your slogan. And this is what your “family crest” looks like  ! No thanks, I developed it for you for free, out of a sense of pity

[DrBeer]

~

I never claimed to own 3 businesses, reading comprehension is important.  Regardless, my business is none of yours.  This isn't about me, I'm not the one requesting a loan.

And, yes, when I was starting businesses I worked for my future.  No one paid me.  It's called deferred gratification.  In this case, it's the opposite of entitlement.

If your business doesn't require an initial large investment, your story is absolutely fine, it's normal. But for some reason there are a lot of business angels, investment funds and other structures that invest their money in projects that cannot be fully realized without attracting external investment, and this project is just such a project.
For example, I know VERY few people who have 30-40 million dollars   But I know not a few people who invest in other people's projects. I think you are not very surprised by this picture either, and you do not see anything unnatural in it.

[DireWolfM14]

1. Preliminary position but quite valid - DireWolfM14 and Vod are the same person ? Well, nature can't produce 2 such similar underdeveloped organisms and bring them together in one forum !

ROFLMA!         

You know that saying that every accusation is an admission of guilt?  Yeah, I think it's far more likely that you and the OP are alts, but I don't give a shit.  Anyway good luck convincing the community that I'm Vod's alt.  Nevertheless, I'll take the compliment.  Thank you, thank you very much.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I would like to address the forum community regarding the following offer. I am working with a team of professionals who are aiming to find an Investor to build and manage bitcoin mining farm, which will be located either in Scandinavia or the USA.....

For almost a year, we have been operating in self-financing mode, without external funding.

What have you done in a year? Tell us how much you have spent and what you have achieved without external funding.

[DrBeer]

You know that saying that every accusation is an admission of guilt? 

 

Re-read your posts, it's clearly time for you to come clean !

I have never seen people so stupidly “leak” themselves with their own statements as you have ! 

[Vod]

Another scam stopped by Vod.   

[Etranger]

What have you done in a year? Tell us how much you have spent and what you have achieved without external funding.

A lot has been described by a third, unbiased party, DrBeer, whom we only met on Monday. Therefore, I find it necessary to quote excerpts DrBeer made after familiarizing himself with our project. This speaks much more about the development level of our project, as it is not us speaking about ourselves, but another person who, like everyone else, saw this project for the first time less than a week ago.

But I will add more specifics and numbers.

How much we spent over the year and on what:

1.   Consultations with a legal advisor: $3,000
What’s included:
o   Legal arrangement of relationships with investors
o   Tax systems of countries where the company could be established
o   Legalization of cryptocurrencies in these countries
o   Advice regarding economic entities (GMBH)
o   Reviewing NDAs and other legal documents

2.   Consultations with technical advisors, energy market representatives, and visits to operating crypto farms
NB! It's important to note that part of our team has already built a crypto farm, but with an air-cooling feature. So, we needed discussions with those involved in immersion and water cooling farms—practically, not theoretically. This information cost us $10,000, including farm visits and flights (for two team members, who are currently not in Ukraine, and thus, can travel).

Also one of the team members traveled to the UAE (March 2024), Romania (June 2024), and Italy (May 2024). The trips across Europe cost $5,000 because he had a car at that time (fuel costs not included, though they are significant).

o   UAE: Looked for potential locations. Studied how the environment affects the cooling system. Learned the conditions for establishing a company ($2,500 for flights, accommodation, and consultations).
o   Romania: Researched the use of solar panels for energy supply to crypto farms (conclusion: they are not suitable).
o   Italy: Investigated the possibility of building a crypto farm near a hydroelectric power station with a fixed electricity price (rejected due to complex government contracts).

3.   Consultations regarding the FRR market: $2,500

4.   Paid a person working in Wealth Management in Zurich, who provided information on the proper bureaucratic submission of the project proposal for attracting the main investment. Specifically, the methodology for correctly presenting the project. Of course, this does not guarantee that this Wealth Management firm will be the one to fund the project ($1,500).

5.   Consultation on the construction of an energy substation ($1,300)

A total of $25,800 was spent on all of this. This is in the context of war, the constant threat to life, and the economic crisis in the country. Additionally, this accounts for the fact that four people have been working entirely pro bono during this time. If they had been paid for their daily work, we would have added another $30,000 to that amount.

[Knight Hider]

We need $150,000, which we plan to repay in a year, along with a 15% investor interest on top. Additionally, we offer 1 BTC in the event of a successful farm launch (if we manage to secure a Main Investor and build the farm by then).

In case you don't find a Main Investor for $40,000,000, how do you pay back $172,500 after a year?

Even if we won't succeed in securing money for the main investment, we will pay $150,000 + 15% back from our own pocket. I mean, that paying back the initial investment of $150,000 + 15% doesn't depend on the next investment stage.

How will you get this money in a year, considering you don't have the money to fund your project now?

Our personal funds will be available only in mid-July.

Where are your personal funds now?

[DrBeer]

Another scam stopped by Vod.    

Yes yes yes yes 



The only thing you've definitely accomplished is to show everyone that you're a waste of space, and you're complex, envious and stupid  With this I congratulate you !  

[Etranger]

We need $150,000, which we plan to repay in a year, along with a 15% investor interest on top. Additionally, we offer 1 BTC in the event of a successful farm launch (if we manage to secure a Main Investor and build the farm by then).

In case you don't find a Main Investor for $40,000,000, how do you pay back $172,500 after a year?

Even if we won't succeed in securing money for the main investment, we will pay $150,000 + 15% back from our own pocket. I mean, that paying back the initial investment of $150,000 + 15% doesn't depend on the next investment stage.

How will you get this money in a year, considering you don't have the money to fund your project now?

Our personal funds will be available only in mid-July.

Where are your personal funds now?

I suggest you read carefully the previous three pages. I find it humiliating to answer the same questions over and over again. If you didn't even bother to look through my previous answers, what is the point for me to answer your questions, which were already asked by several users before you? If you really have some desire to discuss me offer, and not just to write something to mark yourself in this topic, then ask something that is relevant for the project itself.

[Free Market Capitalist]

A total of $25,800 was spent on all of this. This is in the context of war, the constant threat to life, and the economic crisis in the country. Additionally, this accounts for the fact that four people have been working entirely pro bono during this time. If they had been paid for their daily work, we would have added another $30,000 to that amount.

Thanks for your reply.

I see no intention to scam here. Probably naivety and ignorance of how things work but if it is a project that you have as a dream it is legitimate to pursue it. Surely in the middle of that catastrophic war you have dreamed of something big as a way out, and I respect that.

As I was saying, and as others have said, I see close to 0 the probability that someone will lend you the money, apart from the arguments we have already said, because in this case you talk about the work you have done and the money spent but after a year you are not earning money, you just have started the project.

I am going to withdraw from the discussion, because I am a bit fed up with dramas lately, and I wish you luck with your project.

[Etranger]

After seeing the main reaction from the forum members who responded to my thread, as well as the thread in the “Reputation” section, I realized that no one, except for DrBeer, believes in my project. I don’t think it’s as hopeless as many have described here, so I will continue to work on the project with a team of people who are just as committed to its realization as I am. I am grateful to those who didn’t label my proposal as a scam. I am closing the thread to avoid creating false impressions, which are obviously being formed for the majority of the community.

I never intended to deceive anyone or withhold invested funds. However, it’s clear that my proposal has created that impression here on the forum, though I don’t understand why.

I will provide an update once the project is realized to dispel any remaining doubts. I have confidence in my team, our calculations, and our abilities.

[Etranger]

I thought I had clearly explained my position, but apparently not everyone is capable to get it. I had the intention of closing this topic, which I did, for reasons that I explained in the post above, and which emerge from the discussion in my topic and in the topic in the "Reputation" section, created by DireWolfM14. Therefore, I don't quite understand this comment by Vod, he left me, tagging my account for the second time.

Temporary negative tag. It appears that this user tried to scam $150,000 but she has placed it on hold pending updates. Since she is containing to work on the project, it is unwise to do any business with her while this tag is on. Since she has a long history here, I will remove this tag completely when she addresses the issues she laid out in her referenced post.

 Apparently, his own words quoted below are not relevant anymore for him, since he has seven fridays a week.

I'll remove that negative trust as I feel it dilutes the rest.   The next guy might come on here asking fir $450,000!   I have to concentrate on the scams that have a possibility of succeeding.

Moreover, the question arises, what does me containing to work on the project have to do with this forum? I have already made it clear that I am not going to continue searching for an investor here, because I do not think that I will find like-minded people. So this "noble" warning is absolutely useless, because I have already said earlier that I have no desire to cooperate with those who allow themselves such communication, which I have had more than enough of in the last two weeks. But this does not cancel my intention to work on my own project. And it is not for Vod to tell me that I have to report to him here.

The second question to the one living in his own world of constant scam stopping, is why he expects from me addressing some issues, moreover, which issues   (concretization has always been his blind spot), if he ignores what I am writing?

You are now going on ignore.  

How exactly are you going to find out what I will tell in the future, if I was going on ignore?

In general, it looks like revenge for the fact that I put ~ in front of his name. Which is absolutely justified on my part, because his judgments I personally cannot trust. And this action only confirms this. That is why the custom Trust List exists!  And instead of doing the same to me, namely, expressing distrust of my judgments, he decided to write a negative review, the grounds for which not only have not increased since his last negative comment, but on the contrary, there are much fewer of them (if we make the assumption that there were any at all, although this is not the case), since there was a large discussion, where many members of the forum, who clearly have no less regalia than Vod (at least they should represent some significance and authority for him, if I do not) expressed their opinion about the fact that the situation with my offer does not deserve a red tag. And the topic was even closed by the OP. But Vod ignored this, sticking to his style.

[AB de Royse777]

Another scam stopped by Vod.    

Yes yes yes yes  

~snip~

The only thing you've definitely accomplished is to show everyone that you're a waste of space, and you're complex, envious and stupid  With this I congratulate you !  

This is strange. I am reading the post from the reference in the tag left by Vod. Since the tag reference does look like a childish reaction to me, I am going to ignore it.

[Etranger]

. Since the tag reference does look like a childish reaction to me, I am going to ignore it.

It seems the only thing left to do with Vod’s reactions is to ignore them. The tag reference looks juvenile and childish not only on DrBeer’s account, but on mine as well.

Vod thinks he can ruin other forum members’ reputations simply because he feels like it. And that the victims of his baseless accusations will squirm, trying to find ways to address issues, which Vod will ignore anyway. If it’s not about a constructive desire to deal with the matter but just about showing some kind of power, which, (if it even exists at all), is sustained by the very forum members Vod discredits, then there’s no guarantee that Vod will remove his tags, even if he reads something well-reasoned.

I could leave the exact same red tag for him, but I’m not going to stoop to that level and degrade myself with such actions. Any reasonable users already understand what Vod is like and how he forms his ‘judgments,’ if they can even be called that. So even without my tag, it’s clear to those people that it’s better not to deal with Vod or trust his comments.

Those who don’t understand this can engage directly with Vod and experience it firsthand.

I think there are also users who see the strength of my arguments and the complete lack of them from Vod, but are afraid to say something to avoid being labeled as well. Well, congratulations to Vod for creating the image of a stubborn, error-denying, and spiteful person whom people try to avoid just to escape problems. Probably, living with that realization feels great.

Because of Vod’s whims, I broke my promise and was forced to unlock this topic. But once again, I want to emphasize that this was done solely in response to Vod’s red tag, not with the intention of continuing to seek initial investment here on the forum. I repeat, after all the hate and judgment I’ve faced over the past two weeks, I have no desire to find someone to collaborate with on my issue among people, who give credit to Vod‘s references.

[examplens]

Because of Vod’s whims, I broke my promise and was forced to unlock this topic. But once again, I want to emphasize that this was done solely in response to Vod’s red tag, not with the intention of continuing to seek initial investment here on the forum. I repeat, after all the hate and judgment I’ve faced over the past two weeks, I have no desire to find someone to collaborate with on my issue among people, who give credit to Vod‘s references.

Suppose you think this matter has not been discussed enough, and you possibly have specific complaints about a user. In that case, it is probably better to open a discussion in the Reputation board instead of unlocking this topic. Indirect name-calling through some other contest is not the best solution, nor is any kind of belittling, so some direct discussion is a better choice. If there is a reason for that, and obviously there is, consider the reopening of this thread.

As for your initial idea and project for which you started this thread, I believe that you received enough feedback through this and that other discussion (also in the reputation board). From that side, I understand why you locked this topic.

I won't go into the story about your business idea again, but I think you got a lot of useful information, even if it was from Vod, you just need to recognize it and possibly use it if the project really starts to be implemented. So the whole discussion is certainly not useless.