Can religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling?

[Lida93]

Islamic police shuts down 30 betting shops in Kano threatens to close more

Days ago a religious corps in the northern part of Nigeria which is mostly a Muslim dominated part of the country, during the week had to enforce a shutdown of betting shops in their communities sighting various complains from people about how their wards and children are getting rather too addicted to gambling. A situation that led to the arrest of the bet-shop owners which according to the news were later released... You can check the link to get the full gist.

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.

[peter0425]

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. […..] Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

This all depends on the person, in my opinion. I know many religious people who managed to stay away from gambling because of their beliefs and it’s not just christians and muslims. If a person truly believes his religion and is willing to follow its principles and teachings then the religious community would not need to intervene anymore.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Eh, yes and no. Not everyone who falls into addiction wanted to get addicted. Some even try their best to get out of it but somehow still find it difficult. But also it is because of their character why they got addicted. Like not everyone will get addicted but everyone possibly can. If someone is mature enough and has good self control then he can avoid addiction.

[Charles-Tim]

If they do not want to abide to the Nigeria law, I do not know why the Hausa-Fulani do not want to separate from Nigeria. The southern parts have no problem with gambling at all. That is how you will see them destroying bears that are taking to Kano, Katsina and some other Northern parts. They should understand that if we are one nation, there should not be segregation. There are many people from the Southern part living in North and they want to gamble and during bear and enjoy life. Those from the North should teach their children not to gamble instead of getting betting agents arrested.

[laijsica]

As far as I know not every religion allows gambling from a religious point of view because it might lead people to ignore religious discipline and focus more on gambling. Besides, in most cases, many gamblers end up at some stage of addiction and family ties are also broken, which is attributed to gambling as a negative influence on the society. A few years ago, society used to avoid gambling and gamblers, but the situation has changed with time and modern society has accepted many restrictions. Gambling boards and casinos have developed and people continue to seek their entertainment there.

[Zlantann]

*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity.

Since gambling is not illegal in Nigeria, they have no case. Religious leaders will only preach against gambling in their program and true faithful will have to follow the instruction. Gambling is forbidden in Islam, so it is Muslims who should avoid it. Forcing others to abide by Islamic laws is wrong.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Gambling addiction is a mental disorder that affects individuals. If you stop the physical gambling business from operating, gamblers will easily shift to online platforms. They should deal with the root cause of gambling addiction in the northern part of the country which includes a high rate of poverty and drug abuse.

If they do not want to abide to the Nigeria law, I do not know why the Hausa-Fulani do not want to separate from Nigeria. The southern parts have no problem with gambling at all. That is how you will see them destroying bears that are taking to Kano, Katsina and some other Northern parts. They should understand that if we are one nation, there should not be segregation. There are many people from the Southern part living in North and they want to gamble and during bear and enjoy life. Those from the North should teach their children not to gamble instead of getting betting agents arrested.

Well-spoken. I guess Nigeria is not an Islamic Republic which means the Constitution and not the Sharia law is superior. Nigerian law doesn't forbid gambling, so they might have justice if these shops take them to court. The irony of this issue is that the people who claim alcohol and gambling are immoral, collect revenue from tax collected from these industries. They should have asked the  Federal Government to deduct revenue gotten from gambling and alcohol, before allocating funds to them. I see these actions as hypocrisy.

[acroman08]

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity.

if the people and the community agree with the Shariah law that is being enforced on them, it would only be a matter of time before they remove gambling activity in the area(but then again, I am sure there will be people who will try to gamble discreetly)

What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

I assume the Shariah law didn't exist in that area in the past, if so, I think it is unethical as they are infringing their beliefs on other people who aren't following their beliefs.

[Woodie]

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

The thing is these  religious dogma's come from our communities, the effects of gambling affects our family and friends and in the long term the community can easily single out where the problem is sprouting from...if gambling is the culprit am sure it can be pushed here up to bring it under control, but if these gambling houses are licensed businesses then it becomes trespass and interference to the business.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.

I think the gambling houses need to do more to help protect or shield people from gambling addiction... voluntary soft bans should be encouraged to keep people away from falling into this pit of addiction.. otherwise the responsibility still lies on the player making a personal decision.

[o48o]

Islamic police shuts down 30 betting shops in Kano threatens to close more

Days ago a religious corps in the northern part of Nigeria which is mostly a Muslim dominated part of the country, during the week had to enforce a shutdown of betting shops in their communities sighting various complains from people about how their wards and children are getting rather too addicted to gambling. A situation that led to the arrest of the bet-shop owners which according to the news were later released... You can check the link to get the full gist.

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.

In area where those religious leaders have enough influence and majority of the people follows those leaders, they can pretty much win the fight against anything. This has nothing to do with reason. It's called "faith" because it doesn't need evidence or reason. In an organized religion those orders can be as random as the leaders wish.

And, just to be clear, banning gambling doesn't even need religious dogma. It just needs very influential people behind it. If you want gambling not to be banned, vote for political party that wouldn't ban it. You can't affect religious groups just byself, you'll need to organize and joining to political party is most efficient way to do that.

[Lida93]

If they do not want to abide to the Nigeria law, I do not know why the Hausa-Fulani do not want to separate from Nigeria. The southern parts have no problem with gambling at all. That is how you will see them destroying bears that are taking to Kano, Katsina and some other Northern parts. They should understand that if we are one nation, there should not be segregation. There are many people from the Southern part living in North and they want to gamble and during bear and enjoy life. Those from the North should teach their children not to gamble instead of getting betting agents arrested.

This funny aspect of it all is that these northern state where all of these do happen still accepts tax money from the gambling and the brewery industry when allocation is made to States even after taking in to action the destruction and lockdown of gambling avenues and alcoholic products in the northern part of Nigeria (due to their religious dogmatism), which is obvious also occupied by people of other religions since the country is not a one religion state.

Maybe if they are really genuine about the fight against gambling and that of alcohol then it should start with their actions of rejecting the tax money that comes from these sectors else then their actions rationally are a mediocre approach.

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity.

if the people and the community agree with the Shariah law that is being enforced on them, it would only be a matter of time before they remove gambling activity in the area(but then again, I am sure there will be people who will try to gamble discreetly)

Talking about the Sharia law I think that's a law that holds  and applies only on the Muslim faithfuls and these bet shops ain't only attended by Muslims but by people's of other Faith's whose probably their faith doesn't have a problem with gambling. Another thing is that even if the physical bet shops are closed that won't stop these people from gambling online and that could even be the worse for them.

[coin-investor]

*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress.

It depends on the kind of religion; there are ultra-religious where their law is the one that governs the land, and the religious leaders are the ones who rule the country, so the constitution and the framework of the law are based on their religion and the punishment is accordance to their teaching, so some countries are actually winning the fight against gambling and some countries cannot because in these countries there's a separation of religion and state.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

It is a case-by-case basis, there are weak individuals who find gambling their way to escape the harsh reality of life and their way to make money, You cannot generalize addiction, a professional will look on the individual's character and background to find out why he became addicted to gambling.

[danherbias07]

*Yes, I think they have a say in it especially if it's a religious region. But I think they should think twice about arresting the gambling shop owners, they are just doing business and if their credentials and legality are all there, arresting them will be wrong as the government itself let them do that kind of business. Arrest the government too if they will do that.

*Do you mean is it the gambling owners' fault? I think I have said the answer to that above. It's all the gamblers' fault. Gambling is a choice, you can either ignore it or stop and place your bet every day. Think about the lottery, most people bet every day, is it the lottery's fault? Why is the government still continuing that kind of gambling business? Can we also protest for them to stop that scheme? No, I don't think so.

[michellee]

If that country is support by the religion, they will fight against gambling and other things that prohibit to their religion. They will not tolerate anything against religion because they know that will harm their people if they allow that thing. Maybe that give a good progress to reduce people who addicted to gambling but still, that will not stop people to playing gambling.

Gambling is not wrong but people's minds wrong. They think that gambling can be their way to make money. They are playing gambling and want to win the games so they can have much money that they can use to buy their daily needs. That is a normal thing but they must realize that gambling is not for like that but only for have fun. If they can playing gambling moderately and responsible, they will not addicted to gambling. They can separate their main things and fun things so they will not have any problems.

[Marykeller]

Gambling can only be stopped in some places, not entirely in a country where everyone has a civil right to do whatever they like with their money or how they choose to live their lives.

Islamic police in Kano have been destroying and controlling people's businesses for a long now just because they don't want anything to stain their populace's belief or mindset from having control of their daily lives.

This is how they ban the sale of alcohol in Kano, destroying businesses and millions of drinks in Kano, and they choose to forget one thing that Nigeria is Democratic state not Islamic country. Freedom of speech, movement, and businesses that is legal are practiced. They are not be ban in a particular region so long as it's under a ruling power of Nigeria government, citizens are free to gamble, and drink responsible throughout the nation.

[Accardo]

It's not surprising, most religions frown against gambling, but recently the religious people tend to move on with their interests. Generally, without such enforcements or regulations like on the thread, it'll get out of hand, and same followers would forget what they believe. Then, on the long run, the religion will be flooded with unfaithful members.

These restrictions are for the religion's good, but they'll not supersede the majority's needs. Although, the action they're taking on gambling shops looks serious, yet it's not enough, their main motive should be to convince people during religious gatherings to stick to their faith. Instead of halting businesses that brings food to their member's table.

[Findingnemo]

Gambling is legal but it's only allowed for people over 18 or whatever the required age is and that's the same thing has to be applied here if the gambling house is running with proper license to operate then people can't shut it down as they say unless the make the government officials to force them to do by convincing it to create a huge negative impact on the community. Also there are certain rules to operate like there should be no gambling/liquor zone near schools and that must be followed because they don't have maturity to differentiate what and how to do.

[Frankolala]

Religious cannot stop people from gambling because it is not all gamblers that are religious. Also, majority of religious gamblers are not hardcore religious people which means they don't practice the teaching and doctrine of their religion, because whoever is practicing it will not gamble since most religion is against gambling.

It is only the government that can limit the way that people are gambling in a country by banning gambling and make it illegal in the country but still some gamblers will still bypass and gamble with crypto in casinos that operates outside the country.

Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

They put the blame of their carelessness on gambling when it was their fault for gambling in the wrong way b chasing their losses and hoping to make a fortune with gamble. Gamble is innocent just like bitcoin, but it is the people that involve in such activities that should be blamed for their actions because they lack self-control when gambling.

[stompix]

Yeah, fight addiction with brainwashing, what could go wrong?
Rather than looking at the cause of addiction let's just outlaw it because of some faith and think we have solved all issues, ban alcohol, ban theft, ban homicide, then ban hunger and ban poverty cause I don't think there is a holly book in any religion that says those must exist!

If that country is support by the religion, they will fight against gambling and other things that prohibit to their religion. They will not tolerate anything against religion because they know that will harm their people if they allow that thing.

Yeah, because a guy who wrote a book 1500 years ago should dictate how I live my lie and what I do with it, not the actual laws of the country, seriously, so you think we would be here and have internet and crypto and everything else with we have been stuck in the middle ages following holly books no matter what religion they were, Christian, Jewish, Muslim to whatever?
Religion must be like gambling, I want to pay or I want to gamble it's my choice, and no stranger is deciding for me!

[Yatsan]

Islamic police shuts down 30 betting shops in Kano threatens to close more

Days ago a religious corps in the northern part of Nigeria which is mostly a Muslim dominated part of the country, during the week had to enforce a shutdown of betting shops in their communities sighting various complains from people about how their wards and children are getting rather too addicted to gambling. A situation that led to the arrest of the bet-shop owners which according to the news were later released... You can check the link to get the full gist.

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.

The first is to the effect that religious bodies can be better off in the fight against gambling. This is a tough challenge. In regions such as Northern Nigeria where religious sentiments go a long way. Their campaigns can work to an extent. Especially within their circle, though, as you have said. Even with these crusades More and more people also still appear to be into gambling. Irrespective of religion, it may result in short-term decline with the shutdown of betting shops or imposition of restrictions. However, when online gambling is made easily available, then tracking or controlling bans is not possible, people find ways to involve themselves into.

Of course given the investments they are making, I can understand why priests would want to protect their communities, especially youth. But actually a strict prohibition may not succeed in this, indeed perhaps it won't stop people from gambling at all since prohibition never solves a problem like this, it just takes it underground. Educating people on responsible gambling and ensuring there is help for those who have become addicted could be very effective in the long run.

On your second point. I do not believe that gambling in itself is flawed for being addictive in nature. It is just how people approach it that is more the fault. Some people can bet responsibly for years without the problem ever arising, but some people get addicted to it. It is very much like alcohol. Some people can drink alcohol socially without becoming problematic, and while others can become an unhealthy obsession with self-absorption. This responsibility brings awareness towards risk. Urge responsibility and help those who need it.

Gambling is legal but it's only allowed for people over 18 or whatever the required age is and that's the same thing has to be applied here if the gambling house is running with proper license to operate then people can't shut it down as they say unless the make the government officials to force them to do by convincing it to create a huge negative impact on the community. Also there are certain rules to operate like there should be no gambling/liquor zone near schools and that must be followed because they don't have maturity to differentiate what and how to do.

It is true that there are legal age limits to protect minors. And licensed gambling establishments must comply with these requirements. Closing these businesses without good cause can be problematic. This is especially true if the business is conducted within the law.

Community concerns about its influence on young people. It should be taken into account but certainly should not be outlawed. It probably more needs the enforcement of current law: gaming centers kept out of schools, and gamblers of legal age remain legal.

Education- Another crucial role is education. Educating the public in the best practices regarding gambling may help to avoid problems later on. It's a delicate balance ensuring adults operate within their legal purview while, at the same time and in concert, shielding vulnerable citizens. Don't you have a feeling that there might be another way to approach an environmental issue other than closing gambling shops?

[Marvelockg]

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.

we all know that most religion kicks against gambling and the reason why they do so is not just that gambling could become very addictive. They are against gambling because it was outrightly spelt out in most of her books that gamblers will have thier eternity in hell fire. As a religious organization that is after the welfare of her members and that doesn't want them to have such end after all the teaching their are receiving from such setting, it's quite understandable that it could get to the point where gambling shops are closed down entirely.

But then, we all have the freedom to do what we are comfortable with as long as it doesn't affect the next person or the society negatively. If gambling platforms allows underage to engage in the act, then going after them to the point of forcing and stop there operation is not out of place but as long as it's entirely the gamblers decision to gamble, it's not right to attack them.

If it's in a society where they operate a mono religious setting where you only have Muslim that are domicile in those setting, then it's possible to outrightly ban gambling because it doesn't go in alignment with thier believe system but anything outside of that won't work believe it's not everyone that sees gambling as a negative vices to the society. In the southern part of Nigeria, at least 70% of citizens are active gamblers even through they are predominantly Christians and Muslim.

[Smartvirus]

To start with I would say,

Religion isn’t a thing you force on people. We aren’t in the 9th or 10th century no where. Where we had the crusaders and worth have you to use in bending the will of the people towards a certain way of life.

If I think gambling doesn’t go against my belief and faith, then it’s okay. So long as it has nothing to do with someone else and let me put this straight, religion is a sole thing, it has got nothing to do with another person.

So, if some religion feels it’s bad to gamble, it’s okay. How about rather than looking to shutdown those gambling business, look out for means to help its faithful which they obviously isn’t, look to get them engage in some financially meaningful way to better their living.
Shutting these gambling shops down doesn’t solve any problem but might as well, create problems of its own.