Hey folks, just saw these so will try to address all points and concerns. A lot of crypto gambling OGs here which is awesome and why the bitcointalk forums are still around after so long. No joke, it's exactly why we chose to do our alpha launch post on bitcointalk rather than, for example, on like r/Bitcoin because this trial by fire is exactly the constructive feedback we need to create the best product.
hmmm.... somehting interesting is going on, becasue the crash time and result are almost identical between
astrobet.gg and
bustabit.comOh hell NO. It's like a provider game playing on different casinos. I am also curious how it is actually working. The bet results are almost identical. It feels like they embedded the games here. I don't have any coding knowledge and I don't know what is going on and what can be done.
Maybe the admin can answer what is happening here. I assume they bought the bustabit script or they are somehow tied with the bustabit. I am curious if there are more platforms like this and if all their results are identical. I guess the difference in result is because of the house edge difference. It would be interesting to know more.
i don't think they have anything to do with bustabit beyond using their source code, which makes me believe they probably just copied their provably fair system and are using the same
hash?
that could explain it, but i'm not 100% sure.
I don't know, I have not tried playing the game on the site to see what it looks like and how it produces its result, but then, if all that you guys have said here is true, then it simply means that this casino can not be trusted, a casino that copied source code from another casino and even down to using the same harsh with the casino, and they didn't even make any attempt to edit, change or twerk some stuffs in the source code to make things a bit different from the casino they copied from in a way that players won't find out, I think then that the builders of this casino are a very lazy people and built this casino in a hurry in a bid to grap deposit from users and run away.
Sorry If I am making false assumptions but this is the only thing I could think of as regards this situation, and unless the op comes around to explain in a clear and understandable way as to why the game result is always or almost the same with that of Bustabit, I will be forced to believe that what I said above is true.
So, right off the bat, I think it's the right mentality to be skeptical, especially in crypto and especially as an OG who's probably seen a billion shady crypto schemes. To allay some of the concerns, we do use the same seed as Bustabit (with a slight difference due to house edge - hence why the site hash differs slightly) as this was kind of a temporary/bandaid solution
specifially for the alpha as the best way to prove we were provably fair. I'm actually glad someone brought this up so that I could address it in a Q/A. I think putting the details on the provably fair system in the OP would've been a bit too heavy, but it's kind of perfect info for a community feedback reply. And no, we don't have an association with Bustabit, we're actually trying to fill a niche they vacated (see below).
We considered doing our own seeding event or partnering with ActuallyFair.vx, but honestly that felt premature given this was an alpha launch to gather feedback, and as you can see we still have a lot of feedback we still need to implement. Hence capping at 100 signups - we want to actually incorporate community input before throwing money at marketing. And save the hype from a seeding event for later, larger launches.
Re: the design aesthetic and comparisons with moneypot. The fact that it's evoked a lot of memories of the early crypto casino design aesthetic was actually the intention, but maybe we went a bit too hard? It
was heavily inspired by moneypot-aesthetic. With all fairness, I think this comes from the sheer amount of white label corporate casinos with the same look, and there really aren't that many casinos that use the old-school design vibe, so the moneypot design felt "unique" (I can't think of many others - maybe ethercrash?). So yeah, a conscious decision but we are open to any and all design feedback.
With that said, AstroBet was built from scratch by me (Adam, astrobetdev) over about 8 months before I felt it was ready for alpha launch. I did use some open source projects for various components, but heavily altered and non-derivative. It actually started as a passion project, as a fellow crypto gambling degen, but then I realised that this was something I wanted to pursue longer term so decided to find partners and grow. Yes, we could've bought a white label casino (this is the truly lazy "throw money and see what works" approach, doesn't require much dev at all), but it was important to me to have granular control over the entire site, especially if we want to go back to the community-centered feeling and implement community feedback.
i don't think they have anything to do with bustabit beyond using their source code, which makes me believe they probably just copied their provably fair system and are using the same
hash?
that could explain it, but i'm not 100% sure.
If that could be a reason for similar game results, probably this is the reason. As I mentioned in my previous post, I think that slight difference is because of the house edge. Astrobet has a 3% house edge while Bustabit has a 1% house edge. That could be the reason why the result has some differences.
One more thing, As far as I know, leomedina, the creator of the last Moneypot said he is the owner of Moneypot and the site is not available anymore. Also, he has created the seeding event thread for bustabit as well. Does that mean he owns bustabit as well? Or maybe he works for bustabit? I am kind of confused.
The 3% house edge - yeah, this was probably our most contentious point internally. Here's the thinking: sure, if someone wants to play on a lower house edge casino like Bustabit, they're free to do so. But we're trying to fill a different niche - generous deposit bonuses plus a proper VIP program in the works. So basically, bustabit but
with bonuses, which significantly lowers our expected revenue and effective house edge (to actually lower than BaB's 1%).
Playing with house money is still money after all. That said, we're absolutely open to adjusting this based on feedback, especially for VIP players.
Thanks for the valuable feedback. The reason we initially focused on crash games stems from my personal experience - I was deeply involved in the Bustabit community as an early bankroll investor, which proved quite successful. This background gave me insight into a market gap: there weren't many Bustabit-style crash games offering substantial bonuses to players. And now, Bustabit is becoming more commercial, kind of less community-oriented so it feels like there needs to be some less corporate casinos kind of like Bustabit early days, more community driven.
Game expansion is definitely on our roadmap, and we're prioritizing based on community feedback. Slots are a logical next step. For sports betting, we'll need to bring in additional expertise to ensure we deliver a quality product. I'm curious about your thoughts on dice, blackjack, and plinko as potential additions?
-astrobetdev
If I may add, I think sports betting is one of the most popular in the community. Although I will say that there are still fans of dice, blackjack and plinko. But the thing is that most popular games like NBA, Football, UFC, Soccer and tennis are very popular as it has a dedicated threads here.
So it might be better that your really prioritized this together with slot games, in my opinion.
And then later integrate games like dice and plinko and baccarat or blackjack.
I find this a good suggestion. There is a huge demand for sports betting and slots games that makes it mandatory for sites to launch their versions of these betting as a priority because they are what will actually bring the site more traffic. Perhaps as a first stage these updates can be added step by step to ensure that all gaming systems are strictly safe.
#OP I want to ask if you have a valid licence as i noticed the mention that this a privacy protecting casino. How you to build trust?
And also if you have future plans to lunch advertisment campaigns here in bitcointalk forum. Signature campaigns are so profitable in terms of bringing more good traffic. Better to contact a campaign manager.
We're currently operating under Costa Rica's regulatory framework (which is why our Terms exclude Costa Rican citizens), and yes, we're pursuing proper licensing even if we only plan on sticking with crypto. As for future plans like signature campaigns - on the cards for sure but probably more relevant for a full launch rather than an alpha. Right now we're just focused on getting the core product right based on feedback.
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Have seen thousand of crash game being promoted here in forum but only those from legit and big gambling sites remain strong and consistent.
But those who only focused in crash are now out of the sight.
What can another crash game bring to their players that will make them stay ?
This is a fair point, and having played on a ton of them and been in the space for a while, I saw a niche we could fill, especially as I felt the crypto gambling world was just filled with reskins/white-labels and becoming way more corporate. It felt a little sad really. For example, Bustabit recently just added KYC requirements which I found extremely baffling, since for a long time they were the champion of old-guard privacy conscious casinos. The whole reason why people play with crypto in the first place is because of privacy. So, not sure if I agree with this move on Bustabit's part but it seems like the new owner is looking to expand his empire, which is another reason why I wanted to stick with a nostalgic aesthetics.
We're obviously not trying to pretend to be some corporate casino (clearly lol). We're a small team, we're focused on what matters.
privacy,
generous bonuses,
community centered. That's why we're doing this 100-person alpha instead of some massive launch. Get the fundamentals right first. Long story short, AstroBet is an alternative that fills the space that few other crash games currently fill.
We'll keep this philosophy for any other games we add and moving forward because it's one of our main differentiators.
So yeah, if you've read this far really appreciate it. This is why I fucking love this forum lol. Great feedback. Definitely made the right choice by not launching in some mouth-breathing newbie forum like r/Bitcoin lol.
Let me know if any other questions.
-Adam, astrobetdev
