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March 16, 2025, 07:10:45 AM
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They're not falling the educational system but the problem is that we need to understand that companies need people who is more skillful more than people who hold certificate, people manipulate in order to obtain certificates without knowing the preamble of what they study in school, but people goes through skill acquisition can practicalized it and function perfectly than someone who obtain it through education, that's why some employers do prefer practical professionals than theoretical professionals.

Theory can take a person to a certain point, but practice is what will make a person more successful. Anyone can learn theory, but improving oneself in practice and reaching a good level is not something everyone can do. In the education system, more qualified students are trained by prioritizing practice in some departments.

It takes a certain amount of time for someone with good theoretical knowledge to complete their development in practice, and those who know and can do both of these at a good level also reach a good level in their work.
employees currently do accept skill people more than certificate people, because they know that skills people are more hardworking than people who have certificate, for me I don't think that absorbing some who did practical in any job is not important in any kind of job, that's why I said that people can obtain certificate illegally without passing to the due process and sometimes too, when you check or look presently you notice that people who have a skill secure more employment opportunities than people who has a certificate. Is not that I'm condemning certificate, but you to know or defend what you read in school to obtain certificate through practical.
However in the modern job system, the value of certificates is at the highest level. If you are more skilled in the workplace, it will pay you but will not give you the right value if you do not have educational qualifications or certificates. What I want to understand is that certificate holders get higher salaries than experienced people for their jobs and they are more appreciated and praised by the bosses. Sometimes you may not get the right value for your hard work, whereas in the context of high value for certificate holders, your work efficiency is very low and because of that the organization suffers. In my opinion, if someone has a certificate along with practical experience, it will be easier for him to improve an organization. Not to devalue certificates but to understand the importance of practical education along with it. 

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March 16, 2025, 07:35:03 AM
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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
School or Skills?

Simple answer both of them are important school is needed to get to know how the world woks even tho is just small portion. While skills is fu** needed to make us stay alive in this ruin world.

First answer, people getting big I mean growth in a whole. the resource is limited and the AI and so on are taking other people job as the part of "efficiency" so the company can made profit good for investor and cheap for the customer. what a joke

Second, If Im employer of course like the other I will got to skill first but I willing to made my employee to learn if they can do nothing/fresh graduate

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March 16, 2025, 10:59:22 AM
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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
School or Skills?

Simple answer both of them are important school is needed to get to know how the world woks even tho is just small portion. While skills is fu** needed to make us stay alive in this ruin world.

First answer, people getting big I mean growth in a whole. the resource is limited and the AI and so on are taking other people job as the part of "efficiency" so the company can made profit good for investor and cheap for the customer. what a joke

Second, If Im employer of course like the other I will got to skill first but I willing to made my employee to learn if they can do nothing/fresh graduate
Speaking about personal approach then having that education and having the skills then it will really be that important in personal approach or something that talks about quality but since we are talking about employers perspective then they will really be that wanting to have that degree because they will really be that picturing out that if they do have that education then they would be having that better mentality or decision making in comparing into those people who havent been able to touch up college or even on having basic education but well this is really that true but that are instances that there are people that despite of this lacking they do able to manage themselves on having that adjustment and able to learn up things accordingly on what these degree holders do have.
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March 16, 2025, 11:35:06 AM
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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Academia only covers what those at the top can write and pass down. It's not a reflection of a failing education system, it's just that education systems can't keep up and that the lag is increasing. As time has gone on and as we evolve quicker, more and more skills are possessed better by experience or work experience/skill building not attained by studies, by those who have gained more experience by whichever means they did. These are usually the ones worth hiring over those with studies behind them but little practical experience. 
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March 16, 2025, 11:38:16 AM
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My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

If I was employer, I would consider skills. I am hiring you to get the job done, as long as you can do what you are getting hired for — that's enough for me. But, degrees do have high relevancy and they denote proficiency of student in subject studied if he got it from reputed college.

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March 16, 2025, 01:56:34 PM
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My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

If I was employer, I would consider skills. I am hiring you to get the job done, as long as you can do what you are getting hired for — that's enough for me. But, degrees do have high relevancy and they denote proficiency of student in subject studied if he got it from reputed college.

In my opinion, hiring and selecting candidates with skills or certificates will depend on the position we are hiring for. If the job requires high skills, I will give priority to candidates with skills rather than education. But if it is an important position and requires education, I am only interested in candidates with advanced degrees and especially those with advanced degrees along with many years of work experience.

I see many people care more about skills but with experience working for quite a few companies over the years, I see the opposite. Those with degrees, especially those from prestigious schools, are always given priority during the interview process. Because in work, most people only take on one specific job, not many employees are capable of taking on the work of many different departments at the same time. Therefore, training skills for new employees is not too difficult.

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March 17, 2025, 04:24:35 PM
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School or Skills?

Simple answer both of them are important school is needed to get to know how the world woks even tho is just small portion. While skills is fu** needed to make us stay alive in this ruin world.

First answer, people getting big I mean growth in a whole. the resource is limited and the AI and so on are taking other people job as the part of "efficiency" so the company can made profit good for investor and cheap for the customer. what a joke

Second, If Im employer of course like the other I will got to skill first but I willing to made my employee to learn if they can do nothing/fresh graduate
Speaking about personal approach then having that education and having the skills then it will really be that important in personal approach or something that talks about quality but since we are talking about employers perspective then they will really be that wanting to have that degree because they will really be that picturing out that if they do have that education then they would be having that better mentality or decision making in comparing into those people who havent been able to touch up college or even on having basic education but well this is really that true but that are instances that there are people that despite of this lacking they do able to manage themselves on having that adjustment and able to learn up things accordingly on what these degree holders do have.

Like I was said before If Im the employer of one company then low entry job didn't need about education as long you can work well and can be organized and can understand if given training then I'm fine with it.

It is same if there is a person who don't have enough education but understand the job so well from the past experience then I will go for it

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March 17, 2025, 04:59:50 PM
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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
I don't know how things was in past, but I get to hear from my elders that things were way easier then now. And I have to admit it too, as you said too, before they prioritized study now they don't, now speaking of study, as you asked, if we consider our education system has failed? I would say NO, because the education system makes us punctual, hardworking, and dedicated and opens a lot of opportunities in compared to having skill only.

If I were an employer, I would definitely look for some relevant experience for the job role, if not, then I would definitely see if the applicant is educated enough to be in a a sophisticated environment where they would take something and give something (like contribute).

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I know a guy who is a crack in programming, taught programming at a prestigious university here, he went and immigrated with certificates and more to Argentina. There a software outfit gave him a task which he completed in hardly any time.  He was employed on the spot.

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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

I believe that both regular education and acquiring skills that can bring money in themselves are important. Like drawing, programming, or being a good trader.
All these skills will help you survive in life, but without education, I personally would feel unprotected, because ultimately, each of us will start a family, and we want to be sure that during crises and inflation, our loved ones will not go hungry. Therefore, I believe that education is necessary, but at the same time, in your free time, you need to develop skills.

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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
In today's world skills acquisitions are being prioritized over educational qualifications, what is necessary is basic education and that is primary and secondary education. Tertiary education is not a requirement to become successful in today's world, people with skills and experiences are more in demand to specifically get things done. The internet has bridged a lot of gaps, what you will learn in schools can easily be researched on Google and YouTube, AI can give faster and effective results than a university graduate in most things. I've read many articles and watched many clips where very successful people said that what made them successful were not taught in schools so acquiring skills and being smart is the keys to success. This by no means suggests that education is not important, go to school if there is a means for you to do so.











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Like I was said before If Im the employer of one company then low entry job didn't need about education as long you can work well and can be organized and can understand if given training then I'm fine with it.

It is same if there is a person who don't have enough education but understand the job so well from the past experience then I will go for it
That's the irony of it, some people are being stressed so much but are being paid a peanut, but some are working so little and are being paid well. This is at times irrespective of the certificate but the nature of the job, however, the most painful one is that those who are being paid well may not necessarily be better than those who receive peanuts and a little training could even do it regardless of whether you have a certificate or not. But because of certificates, some people are paid more even if they have the lowest skill in the field.

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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Most employers are beginning to notice that most competent people are the ones that have experience, this is the most important thing that is being asked even before presenting your certificate. In most firms they ask how many years of experience the employee has in that field. Education is everything but it's no longer a criteria to get some opportunities. Having a skill is more important but it's also necessary to acquire education so you would improve in your interaction and communication, this is something that can be able to amplify your skill.

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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Most employers are beginning to notice that most competent people are the ones that have experience, this is the most important thing that is being asked even before presenting your certificate. In most firms they ask how many years of experience the employee has in that field. Education is everything but it's no longer a criteria to get some opportunities. Having a skill is more important but it's also necessary to acquire education so you would improve in your interaction and communication, this is something that can be able to amplify your skill.

Employers will only ask you how many years of experience you have in the profession after they have confirmed that you have a degree or certification on your resume.

Try applying for a job and you have no degree or certification on your resume and explain to them that you just have years of experience. Will they choose you or will they give that opportunity to someone else?
Education and qualifications are always the top criteria when recruiting office staff and senior leaders. If you do not have a good education and only have skills, you still have a chance to get a job but the opportunity to advance to higher positions is very limited. You can hardly compete with your colleagues.

If it were me, I would focus on going to college and getting a degree, then focus on building skills based on my existing knowledge. In the long run, I am quite confident that my income and future will be brighter than many people who focus only on skills.

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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Most employers are beginning to notice that most competent people are the ones that have experience, this is the most important thing that is being asked even before presenting your certificate. In most firms they ask how many years of experience the employee has in that field. Education is everything but it's no longer a criteria to get some opportunities. Having a skill is more important but it's also necessary to acquire education so you would improve in your interaction and communication, this is something that can be able to amplify your skill.
On the moment that there's some vacant spot on a particular position on a company, then hiring process could neither be basing up on the standards or protocols on how an employee should be chosen but we cant be able to deny that there will really those kind of giving out some recommendation into some other employees into those people whom they do believe that would be fit out on the job. This is where employers will really be that trying out recognize into those peopel who do have that experience or specific skills on which we can be able to say that there's some probabilities that they might be get hired at the time that they will be able get chosen but of course we do know that educational attainment will really be that much still preferred or something that employers will really be wanting. We do know that people who do have that kind of educational background will really be that having at least that kind of knowledge into a particular job if ever that it would really be that getting in line into the course that they've been that studying. Its always been that preferred or something which is really that recommended on which having both things on which having a skill plus having that good educational attaintment or simply having a degree.

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My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
If I was employer, I would consider skills. I am hiring you to get the job done, as long as you can do what you are getting hired for — that's enough for me. But, degrees do have high relevancy and they denote proficiency of student in subject studied if he got it from reputed college.
Generally I would consider skills as a priority over school. It is common because school does not show you are proficient but skills show your level of competition. However, this does not mean that school is not important. I often see my friends telling that sometimes someone who is skilled is born from the education they get in school. And by the way I want to state that the context here is school or skills, not education or skills. So basically a person's ability depends on dedication and how he tries to learn well whether it is through school or auto-learning from the internet.

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My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
If I am a boss, of course I will consider the faculty, from where he is from school, because currently there are many lectures/online faculties learning through Android/Laptop without doing Practice, if they apply for a job, they must really be carefully investigated, they cannot be guided by their diplomas.

But there are also many routine schools, of course they have knowledge, skills and knowledge about what he learns right, not the same as online schools without direct practice, for that school and knowledge are also important in work, Because the company's economy is very influential on employees who have skills and knowledge, the point is that schools are important, knowledge and skills are also more important, adjusted to the expertise of those who apply for work.

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Both school and skills are very important in our lives, because it is from school that you will learn some skills and gain experience in your working place. School certificate is required before you will be permitted to come for an interview so that they should test your skills and capabilities. In the current economic situation that we are living now, a lot of graduates couldn't secure a better job and that make them feel disappointed and due to that reason some people think that education is useless and doesn't worth it. But from my observation the people or graduates that luckily manage to secure a job is with the help of their certification, then after they manage to secure a job at a particular place with their certificate, it is how hard working and skillful they are that will gain them promotion from lower level to higher level.

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March 18, 2025, 09:33:31 PM
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Both skill and education are needed in managing life.  Because if you are not educated then the society will not want to pay you.  Again, you cannot earn much money with education alone, in that case you will need skills.  Because you will choose your profession through skill.
 Another thing is that the education system of our country is such that what is taught here is almost 10 years old. It is good for our next generation if our schools are taught updated technology.

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My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
If I was employer, I would consider skills. I am hiring you to get the job done, as long as you can do what you are getting hired for — that's enough for me. But, degrees do have high relevancy and they denote proficiency of student in subject studied if he got it from reputed college.
Generally I would consider skills as a priority over school. It is common because school does not show you are proficient but skills show your level of competition. However, this does not mean that school is not important. I often see my friends telling that sometimes someone who is skilled is born from the education they get in school. And by the way I want to state that the context here is school or skills, not education or skills. So basically a person's ability depends on dedication and how he tries to learn well whether it is through school or auto-learning from the internet.
With what you said, I thought that these skills could emerge by themselves and yes, there are some people who have very low economies so they cannot go to school, but even so, they still have the opportunity to utilize their skills well to be able to generate income, because I think everyone has their own skills but sometimes they don't have a place to hone their skills to be better.
You are right because in my country there are people who can be successful with their past who previously did not go to school because they had a difficult economy but with their determination they managed to succeed by relying on their skills. Therefore, I myself do not believe that skills will emerge only for those who are educated.
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