[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Ramon Cardenas - May 4

[Yaunfitda]

We can wish that instead of Akhmadaliev after Ramon Cardenas, it will be Johnriel Casimero who will be chosen. They can promote this with a revenge storyline after the losses of Nonito and Marlon Tapales heheheheh.

There is no storyline there. Donaire and Casimero hated each other and Tapales was only briefly relevant and has largely been forgotten already. Despite having a fanbase that is very vocal on social media, Casimero has never been a draw that can sell a lot of tickets. That is why he is always fighting as the visitor. Besides all that, he fights so sporadically that he has not become a factor in the division.

Say what you will about Inoue’s opponent selection, but for fighting in Las Vegas on a Mexican holiday, it made the most sense to pick an opponent of Mexican descent, from a marketing perspective.

Actually if they can create a hype base on what @bbc.reporter said they can create that. Somehow fans still calling up for Casimero vs Inoue match. Since its like unfinish business fight between these two great fighters.

But as we all know there's nothing to get if they fight Casimero that's why there's no promotion push this one because maybe Inoue's camp is looking for a good milestone for his career and they are not casting fights for pure hype.

What people need to focus now if we can see a great fight between Inoue and that Mexican fighter since many are curious to know on how many rounds does Inoue would finish this fight.

I think there is hype of Casimero's name before, when he was still that champion at 118 lbs as he destroyed good and former champion along the way and him and Inoue crossing path is inevitable. However, we all know that due to his weight issues, he didn't get the only one chance he got. Now, even though he is at the same weight class, he is still unknown and will have to work his way up the ladder to be a contender. On the other hand, even if Cardenas is not known, he had earn enough to be the mandatory challenger for Inoue and that's what he just need. Casimero again, will need to hurry up and have a good performance this year if ever he wanted to fight Inoue at 122 lbs as time might be running out.

[Zadicar]

We can wish that instead of Akhmadaliev after Ramon Cardenas, it will be Johnriel Casimero who will be chosen. They can promote this with a revenge storyline after the losses of Nonito and Marlon Tapales heheheheh.

There is no storyline there. Donaire and Casimero hated each other and Tapales was only briefly relevant and has largely been forgotten already. Despite having a fanbase that is very vocal on social media, Casimero has never been a draw that can sell a lot of tickets. That is why he is always fighting as the visitor. Besides all that, he fights so sporadically that he has not become a factor in the division.

Say what you will about Inoue’s opponent selection, but for fighting in Las Vegas on a Mexican holiday, it made the most sense to pick an opponent of Mexican descent, from a marketing perspective.

Actually if they can create a hype base on what @bbc.reporter said they can create that. Somehow fans still calling up for Casimero vs Inoue match. Since its like unfinish business fight between these two great fighters.

But as we all know there's nothing to get if they fight Casimero that's why there's no promotion push this one because maybe Inoue's camp is looking for a good milestone for his career and they are not casting fights for pure hype.

What people need to focus now if we can see a great fight between Inoue and that Mexican fighter since many are curious to know on how many rounds does Inoue would finish this fight.

I think there is hype of Casimero's name before, when he was still that champion at 118 lbs as he destroyed good and former champion along the way and him and Inoue crossing path is inevitable. However, we all know that due to his weight issues, he didn't get the only one chance he got. Now, even though he is at the same weight class, he is still unknown and will have to work his way up the ladder to be a contender. On the other hand, even if Cardenas is not known, he had earn enough to be the mandatory challenger for Inoue and that's what he just need. Casimero again, will need to hurry up and have a good performance this year if ever he wanted to fight Inoue at 122 lbs as time might be running out.

Why Casimero always have that weight issue? Because of his trainer? Or simply just because of lack of discipline? Well, this isnt talking about Casimero on which its always been that attached when we do speak about Inoue. Lets just move on and just focus of this current opponent of Inoue would be Cardenas, im not saying that this will be that not hard but i do able to see some easy win of Inoue but still not that a good thing if he would be making himself that being confident despite of that advantage. Some people been saying that these fights were nitpicked just because they dont want for Inoue to face up some bigger fellas and some do even demand that he should be that going up to the ladder or weigh division to make it look that more interest and sees out on what Inoue could be able to reach out.

[btc_angela]

We can wish that instead of Akhmadaliev after Ramon Cardenas, it will be Johnriel Casimero who will be chosen. They can promote this with a revenge storyline after the losses of Nonito and Marlon Tapales heheheheh.

There is no storyline there. Donaire and Casimero hated each other and Tapales was only briefly relevant and has largely been forgotten already. Despite having a fanbase that is very vocal on social media, Casimero has never been a draw that can sell a lot of tickets. That is why he is always fighting as the visitor. Besides all that, he fights so sporadically that he has not become a factor in the division.

Say what you will about Inoue’s opponent selection, but for fighting in Las Vegas on a Mexican holiday, it made the most sense to pick an opponent of Mexican descent, from a marketing perspective.

Actually if they can create a hype base on what @bbc.reporter said they can create that. Somehow fans still calling up for Casimero vs Inoue match. Since its like unfinish business fight between these two great fighters.

But as we all know there's nothing to get if they fight Casimero that's why there's no promotion push this one because maybe Inoue's camp is looking for a good milestone for his career and they are not casting fights for pure hype.

What people need to focus now if we can see a great fight between Inoue and that Mexican fighter since many are curious to know on how many rounds does Inoue would finish this fight.

I think there is hype of Casimero's name before, when he was still that champion at 118 lbs as he destroyed good and former champion along the way and him and Inoue crossing path is inevitable. However, we all know that due to his weight issues, he didn't get the only one chance he got. Now, even though he is at the same weight class, he is still unknown and will have to work his way up the ladder to be a contender. On the other hand, even if Cardenas is not known, he had earn enough to be the mandatory challenger for Inoue and that's what he just need. Casimero again, will need to hurry up and have a good performance this year if ever he wanted to fight Inoue at 122 lbs as time might be running out.

Why Casimero always have that weight issue? Because of his trainer? Or simply just because of lack of discipline? Well, this isnt talking about Casimero on which its always been that attached when we do speak about Inoue. Lets just move on and just focus of this current opponent of Inoue would be Cardenas, im not saying that this will be that not hard but i do able to see some easy win of Inoue but still not that a good thing if he would be making himself that being confident despite of that advantage. Some people been saying that these fights were nitpicked just because they dont want for Inoue to face up some bigger fellas and some do even demand that he should be that going up to the ladder or weigh division to make it look that more interest and sees out on what Inoue could be able to reach out.

Either of the two, as far as I remember, Casimero doesn't have anyone to watch his weight or at least what he is eating. While most of the boxers have their own cook and dietitian  to watch everything that he puts into his body, Casimero might just be going old school, he even doesn't have a good trainer for that matter, it is still family for him his brothers and maybe other relatives too.

That's why he has weight issues till this day and most likely he doesn't get that chance to crack at Inoue because of this. There were even reports that his Japanese manager was disappointed on his last fight because of him not making the weight again, but he won by knockout and has climb the ranks.

[Kemarit]

We can wish that instead of Akhmadaliev after Ramon Cardenas, it will be Johnriel Casimero who will be chosen. They can promote this with a revenge storyline after the losses of Nonito and Marlon Tapales heheheheh.

There is no storyline there. Donaire and Casimero hated each other and Tapales was only briefly relevant and has largely been forgotten already. Despite having a fanbase that is very vocal on social media, Casimero has never been a draw that can sell a lot of tickets. That is why he is always fighting as the visitor. Besides all that, he fights so sporadically that he has not become a factor in the division.

That was before, when Casimero was making his name or hyping himself, he chooses to attack Donaire but it did back fire on him. But since then, they have patch thing ups. So they try to help each other out and try to beat Inoue. But Casimero didn't have his chance.

Say what you will about Inoue’s opponent selection, but for fighting in Las Vegas on a Mexican holiday, it made the most sense to pick an opponent of Mexican descent, from a marketing perspective.

But still though, Cardenas is not well known, so I doubt that they got him because of that story line. Even if he has Mexican descent, many fans might not be aware of his name but this is a good exposure for him to fight one of the best fighter in the world right now.

[bbc.reporter]

We can wish that instead of Akhmadaliev after Ramon Cardenas, it will be Johnriel Casimero who will be chosen. They can promote this with a revenge storyline after the losses of Nonito and Marlon Tapales heheheheh.

There is no storyline there. Donaire and Casimero hated each other and Tapales was only briefly relevant and has largely been forgotten already. Despite having a fanbase that is very vocal on social media, Casimero has never been a draw that can sell a lot of tickets. That is why he is always fighting as the visitor. Besides all that, he fights so sporadically that he has not become a factor in the division.

Say what you will about Inoue’s opponent selection, but for fighting in Las Vegas on a Mexican holiday, it made the most sense to pick an opponent of Mexican descent, from a marketing perspective.

Hehehe it appears you do not consider that the storylines are promotions and this does not require that these details that you mentioned in these storylines should be real. This is similar the Pacman's storyline in his fights versus Mexicans. He was called the Mexican killer, however, does Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez need to be friends for Pacman's Mexican storyline. It does not, I reckon.

On Inoue's storyline, he will be called the Filipino killer and Johnriel Casimero might presently be the best Filipino boxer if he is disciplined on eating and training. I am certain that this will be the best fight for Inoue in super bantamweight.

[FinneysTrueVision]

On Inoue's storyline, he will be called the Filipino killer and Johnriel Casimero might presently be the best Filipino boxer if he is disciplined on eating and training. I am certain that this will be the best fight for Inoue in super bantamweight.

Inoue has also beaten several fighters from Thailand, but he is never going to be promoted as a Thai killer because that is not a marketing angle that moves the needle.  Casimero has faded from the spotlight in recent years and he is going to need more than just his nationality going for him to get this opportunity. The best way to become relevant once again is to conquer another world title or to at least beat a highly rated contender to become the mandatory.

[Kemarit]

On Inoue's storyline, he will be called the Filipino killer and Johnriel Casimero might presently be the best Filipino boxer if he is disciplined on eating and training. I am certain that this will be the best fight for Inoue in super bantamweight.

Inoue has also beaten several fighters from Thailand, but he is never going to be promoted as a Thai killer because that is not a marketing angle that moves the needle.  Casimero has faded from the spotlight in recent years and he is going to need more than just his nationality going for him to get this opportunity. The best way to become relevant once again is to conquer another world title or to at least beat a highly rated contender to become the mandatory.

Yeah, but the thing is that he got a Japanese promoter, if he could have stick to Sean Gibbons and MP promotions, they could have set him up to fight a highly rated contender even if he doesn't have a belt because Sean could have made a lot of connections in the boxing world.

But he broke his ties with MP and then attack them in social media. Sean though is willing to take him again if he will just apologized. But we all know how proud and arrogant and brandish Casimero is. He wouldn't go and eat his pride, and now his career has taken a back seat and nowhere near where he was before, when he still has that belt.

[Russlenat]

Casimero has faded from the spotlight in recent years and he is going to need more than just his nationality going for him to get this opportunity. The best way to become relevant once again is to conquer another world title or to at least beat a highly rated contender to become the mandatory.

I think Casimero’s biggest problem is being under a bad promoter. You can see that he’s still winning his fights, but he’s not getting the big fights he deserves.

As for Inoue, he keeps making excuses and avoids fighting Casimero. He says he wants high-ranked challengers, but when there was a mandatory fighter in his division, he dodged it and instead fought an aging TJ Doheny. That just doesn’t add up.

[TravelMug]

Casimero has faded from the spotlight in recent years and he is going to need more than just his nationality going for him to get this opportunity. The best way to become relevant once again is to conquer another world title or to at least beat a highly rated contender to become the mandatory.

I think Casimero’s biggest problem is being under a bad promoter. You can see that he’s still winning his fights, but he’s not getting the big fights he deserves.

As for Inoue, he keeps making excuses and avoids fighting Casimero. He says he wants high-ranked challengers, but when there was a mandatory fighter in his division, he dodged it and instead fought an aging TJ Doheny. That just doesn’t add up.

It's only his own doing, for getting a Japanese promoter, so instead of getting high profile fights, he looks like just fighting non contender boxers that's why he faded into oblivion. And the thing is that he is also not getting any younger.

For Inoue, he is the current champion so he has the luxury to choose who ever he fights. Just like Canelo in his last 5 fights, seems to be cherry picking but that's how boxing works as it's more of business and boxers doesn't want their 0 to go or doesn't want to lose.

[Sanitough]

As for Inoue, he keeps making excuses and avoids fighting Casimero. He says he wants high-ranked challengers, but when there was a mandatory fighter in his division, he dodged it and instead fought an aging TJ Doheny. That just doesn’t add up.

Good point. Why didn’t Inoue take on Murodjon Akhmadaliev instead? That would’ve made more sense since he was the No. 1 challenger. If Inoue had fought and beaten him, he could’ve moved up in weight, putting distance between himself and the controversy that he’s afraid of Casimero.

If he really doesn’t want to fight Casimero, it’s easy to say anything to avoid it. But looking at Casimero’s record, he hasn’t lost since 2018. If Inoue truly believes Casimero is scared of him, then he should’ve been the one to hand him that loss.

[btc_angela]

As for Inoue, he keeps making excuses and avoids fighting Casimero. He says he wants high-ranked challengers, but when there was a mandatory fighter in his division, he dodged it and instead fought an aging TJ Doheny. That just doesn’t add up.

Good point. Why didn’t Inoue take on Murodjon Akhmadaliev instead? That would’ve made more sense since he was the No. 1 challenger. If Inoue had fought and beaten him, he could’ve moved up in weight, putting distance between himself and the controversy that he’s afraid of Casimero.

I think the reason that Inoue didn't fight Murodjon is that he beat the man who beat Murodjon and that is Marlon Tapales. We all know that Marlon upset Murodjon , but Tapales lost to Inoue during their fight.

If he really doesn’t want to fight Casimero, it’s easy to say anything to avoid it. But looking at Casimero’s record, he hasn’t lost since 2018. If Inoue truly believes Casimero is scared of him, then he should’ve been the one to hand him that loss.

He might be afraid of Casimero, or simply that John Riel has nothing to offer to him, he is not a champion anymore and not even a mandatory to any of Inoue's belt. Yes he is a rank fighter, but he hasn't proved anything at 122 lbs yet.

[Sanitough]

As for Inoue, he keeps making excuses and avoids fighting Casimero. He says he wants high-ranked challengers, but when there was a mandatory fighter in his division, he dodged it and instead fought an aging TJ Doheny. That just doesn’t add up.

Good point. Why didn’t Inoue take on Murodjon Akhmadaliev instead? That would’ve made more sense since he was the No. 1 challenger. If Inoue had fought and beaten him, he could’ve moved up in weight, putting distance between himself and the controversy that he’s afraid of Casimero.

I think the reason that Inoue didn't fight Murodjon is that he beat the man who beat Murodjon and that is Marlon Tapales. We all know that Marlon upset Murodjon , but Tapales lost to Inoue during their fight.

That argument wouldn’t hold because the discussion is about rankings. Regardless of who a fighter has beaten or lost to, what matters most is their ranking. And since we all know it was an upset, Murodjon deserves a chance because he’s a great fighter. So why didn’t he fight him, even though Murodjon wanted to challenge him?

He might be afraid of Casimero, or simply that John Riel has nothing to offer to him, he is not a champion anymore and not even a mandatory to any of Inoue's belt. Yes he is a rank fighter, but he hasn't proved anything at 122 lbs yet.

I guess he could give him a chance since Casimero is well-known, actually, he might even be more famous than some of the fighters he has beaten.
As long as he refuses to fight Casimero, he won’t earn the respect of Filipino fans.

[freedomgo]

For Inoue, he is the current champion so he has the luxury to choose who ever he fights. Just like Canelo in his last 5 fights, seems to be cherry picking but that's how boxing works as it's more of business and boxers doesn't want their 0 to go or doesn't want to lose.

Can’t deny that, but honestly, I’ve lost faith in Inoue because of what he’s doing.

His fights from bantamweight up until he moved to super bantamweight were great, but now, the competition feels underwhelming. His best moments were when he beat champions to become undisputed, but now, it’s starting to feel like cherry-picking.

[arwin100]

For Inoue, he is the current champion so he has the luxury to choose who ever he fights. Just like Canelo in his last 5 fights, seems to be cherry picking but that's how boxing works as it's more of business and boxers doesn't want their 0 to go or doesn't want to lose.

Can’t deny that, but honestly, I’ve lost faith in Inoue because of what he’s doing.

His fights from bantamweight up until he moved to super bantamweight were great, but now, the competition feels underwhelming. His best moments were when he beat champions to become undisputed, but now, it’s starting to feel like cherry-picking.

What good thing happened out there is he decide to fight in Vegas, I guess this is the first step for him to get out on his comfort zone then try the US market. If he succeed on this fight against Cardenas then provably that his camp would explore to get more big fights for the Japanese monster.

We don't know the real story there but Inoue's camp is really known for that. Inoue said that Cardenas is tough opponent https://ringmagazine.com/en/news/naoya-inoue-cardenas-is-a-tough-opponent-he-accepted-the-fight-without-hesitation So let's see what's coming up and if Cardenas would give us a good match against Inoue.

[Koadharber]

This bout marks Inoue’s return to the U.S. since his previous fights during the COVID era in 2021 and 2020.
I am favoring this match to Naoya Inoue, especially the knockout ability, which Inoue has a 90% KO ratio while Cardenas only has a 54% KO ratio. And overall is the experience advantage of Naoya inoue.

Here are the boxing records for both boxers.

Better experience + Good KO rate + Good in technicality + Speed (Bit slower than on previous division)
Then i have chosen up on 4-6 Rounds via TKO i should say. Come to think that Inoue beats up those boxers that being champion a couple of divisions plus having that more experience but still ending up via TKO
on where we can see on how long that Cardenas would really be able to hold up with those solid shots from Inoue. Wondering if Inoue will be able to win up this one, anyone will really be that totally excited if ever he would really be moving up on division. We do know on how badly boxing fans that are really that eager to see this happen.

We are already that near for the said fight. Im not that much seeing about some sparring sessions or training in between the two. Seems like that interest and hype for this fight isnt on peak
in compared with that Donaire fight on which i do saw that it did really that make up some loud noises.

[btc_angela]

As for Inoue, he keeps making excuses and avoids fighting Casimero. He says he wants high-ranked challengers, but when there was a mandatory fighter in his division, he dodged it and instead fought an aging TJ Doheny. That just doesn’t add up.

Good point. Why didn’t Inoue take on Murodjon Akhmadaliev instead? That would’ve made more sense since he was the No. 1 challenger. If Inoue had fought and beaten him, he could’ve moved up in weight, putting distance between himself and the controversy that he’s afraid of Casimero.

I think the reason that Inoue didn't fight Murodjon is that he beat the man who beat Murodjon and that is Marlon Tapales. We all know that Marlon upset Murodjon , but Tapales lost to Inoue during their fight.

That argument wouldn’t hold because the discussion is about rankings. Regardless of who a fighter has beaten or lost to, what matters most is their ranking. And since we all know it was an upset, Murodjon deserves a chance because he’s a great fighter. So why didn’t he fight him, even though Murodjon wanted to challenge him?

He might be afraid of Casimero, or simply that John Riel has nothing to offer to him, he is not a champion anymore and not even a mandatory to any of Inoue's belt. Yes he is a rank fighter, but he hasn't proved anything at 122 lbs yet.

I guess he could give him a chance since Casimero is well-known, actually, he might even be more famous than some of the fighters he has beaten.
As long as he refuses to fight Casimero, he won’t earn the respect of Filipino fans.

The same reason that he throws on Casimero, that time Murodjon has nothing to offer to him, he lost to Tapales so no belt and his ranking drop. And then Inoue fighting those rank or at least his mandatory.

But after that lost to Tapales, Murodjon makes a great comeback and not the interim champion of WBA. But I guess they wanted that fight to his last at 122 lbs, so maybe after the Cardenas fight, he will go and choose Murodjon before moving up to 126 lbs.

[TravelMug]

For Inoue, he is the current champion so he has the luxury to choose who ever he fights. Just like Canelo in his last 5 fights, seems to be cherry picking but that's how boxing works as it's more of business and boxers doesn't want their 0 to go or doesn't want to lose.

Can’t deny that, but honestly, I’ve lost faith in Inoue because of what he’s doing.

His fights from bantamweight up until he moved to super bantamweight were great, but now, the competition feels underwhelming. His best moments were when he beat champions to become undisputed, but now, it’s starting to feel like cherry-picking.

What good thing happened out there is he decide to fight in Vegas, I guess this is the first step for him to get out on his comfort zone then try the US market. If he succeed on this fight against Cardenas then provably that his camp would explore to get more big fights for the Japanese monster.

That's what we wanted to see from him, to fight in the US again so that fans can appreciate him. This has been promised by his manager Bob Arum and it's good that they keep their promises although we wanted him to go up in weight class.

We don't know the real story there but Inoue's camp is really known for that. Inoue said that Cardenas is tough opponent https://ringmagazine.com/en/news/naoya-inoue-cardenas-is-a-tough-opponent-he-accepted-the-fight-without-hesitation So let's see what's coming up and if Cardenas would give us a good match against Inoue.

That's basic though, I mean every fighter shouldn't underestimate their opponents and think that what they pick is a very good fighter. But inside the ring, it's going to be very different as we all know that Inoue is just above the rest of the 122 lbs weight class.

[coin-investor]

i just noticed we have a different poll on this fight; usually the poll is who is between the fighter who will win and in what manner, but on this one its what round will Inoue knock out Cardenas,
bisdak40 is right in coming with a poll like this, because there is no use creating a poll on who will win aon this fight, because Inoue is 100% going to win this fight, unless he suffer from diarrhea on the night of the fight.  

[Japinat]

bisdak40 is right in coming with a poll like this, because there is no use creating a poll on who will win aon this fight, because Inoue is 100% going to win this fight, unless he suffer from diarrhea on the night of the fight.  

Even in betting sites, those kinds of choices with odds are the most relevant. So with that, we can say this is clearly a mismatch. The question is, why do they even set up fights like this when they know it won’t excite the fans? Don’t they have any plans to move up and challenge the champions in a higher weight class?

[coin-investor]

bisdak40 is right in coming with a poll like this, because there is no use creating a poll on who will win aon this fight, because Inoue is 100% going to win this fight, unless he suffer from diarrhea on the night of the fight.  

Even in betting sites, those kinds of choices with odds are the most relevant. So with that, we can say this is clearly a mismatch. The question is, why do they even set up fights like this when they know it won’t excite the fans? Don’t they have any plans to move up and challenge the champions in a higher weight class?

They do have a plan of moving up based on one article I read, but they are taking so long to do that the boxing community and even his fans are too tired of waiting.
Maybe they want the right time to do that because they have seen the competition in the featherweight division, but they could have taken a light opponent just to make their presence felt in that division.
This made me believe that Inoue's handlers do not believe that he has a chance in the higher division; if they trust him, why delay?