Underground Gambling

[Findingnemo]

I see people commenting that it exists where gambling is prohibited but it exists almost everywhere only because the gamblers don't want to pay taxes and there's high rollers involved here too if they want to launder their money made from other sources or simply it offers more exclusive games that we can never witness in common life. Might be I am influenced after watching Squid games but it's real, in some middle eastern cities where these things are prohibited but made available due to the demand.

[dimonstration]

I see people commenting that it exists where gambling is prohibited but it exists almost everywhere only because the gamblers don't want to pay taxes and there's high rollers involved here too if they want to launder their money made from other sources or simply it offers more exclusive games that we can never witness in common life. Might be I am influenced after watching Squid games but it's real, in some middle eastern cities where these things are prohibited but made available due to the demand.

Correct, underground gambling is run mostly by syndicates that use this operation to gain profit without paying taxes and at the same time deal with other illegal goods.

There’s a recent issue in my country about this underground gambling called POGO, they have license in the surface operation but they have other illegal services such as human trafficking, drugs and many more that happening behind.

[$weetne$$]

I saw this thread Gambling in Pop Culture and I remember one movie in particular, starring John Malcovich and Matt Damon. And it makes me wonder about those underground gambling rings. And also when I was growing up watching movies locally, there will always this plot twist that there is a illegal gambling den and it will be raided by the hero of the movie and then those running it says it is being protected by high officials of the government.

I have not played any underground gambling but I know that they exist in my country because I have been invited to participate in one before but I do not like to associate myself with illegal things therefore I stayed away from the invitation. I think just like in the movies, that is how it is happening in the real world. Every illegal activities going on in the society have protection from people who are in the government because without that protection, the government can easily find those committing this crimes and punish them. This is why I avoid illegal things because you can be used as the escape goat while the real culprit of the crime is left to live a normal life because they have been paying their dues to the corrupt government officials.

[bakasabo]

I think I have heard once in local news that police has raided illegal casino and confiscated money and drugs. I have never seen underground gambling games, never even though about searching for it, but I am sure that every country, every city have it. It is not something big, probably a flat less than 50 or 100 people from whole city knows about and visit. I dont think it is very popular, when we have online gambling accessible from any part of the world. It is just a bunch of guys gamble at some place.

[Findingnemo]

I see people commenting that it exists where gambling is prohibited but it exists almost everywhere only because the gamblers don't want to pay taxes and there's high rollers involved here too if they want to launder their money made from other sources or simply it offers more exclusive games that we can never witness in common life. Might be I am influenced after watching Squid games but it's real, in some middle eastern cities where these things are prohibited but made available due to the demand.

Correct, underground gambling is run mostly by syndicates that use this operation to gain profit without paying taxes and at the same time deal with other illegal goods.

There’s a recent issue in my country about this underground gambling called POGO, they have license in the surface operation but they have other illegal services such as human trafficking, drugs and many more that happening behind.

It is what it is, and to be honest even government officials aware of those activities but they will be paid to keep their mouth shut on regular basis, once in a while there will be some news about looking for them but it is not really possible to stop them as long as we have the corrupt judicial system where we can buy the judgement in favour of us with legal loopholes and even if there's no way there will be a pawn to go down instead of the real one, we see those in movies but that is happening in reality too.

[lionheart78]

It is what it is, and to be honest even government officials aware of those activities but they will be paid to keep their mouth shut on regular basis, once in a while there will be some news about looking for them but it is not really possible to stop them as long as we have the corrupt judicial system where we can buy the judgement in favour of us with legal loopholes and even if there's no way there will be a pawn to go down instead of the real one, we see those in movies but that is happening in reality too.

Not only the judiciary system, but it started at the executive system.  Most of the corrupt officials are from this branch, since they enforce the law, to be able to not reach the judiciary branch, people who are in the executive branch are then bribed by these syndicates.

These corrupt officials under the executive branch are only forced to act when the media makes too much noise about illegal activity.  And once the news dies down, they will not pursue the case and continue receiving payrolls from these illegal activities.

[Solosanz]

I completely agree with you. The ban on gambling is a crazy mentality of the administration of that country. Maybe they can find an effective way to control gambling or consider some designated points for gambling where gamblers can go for entertainment.

Most countries who ban gambling are countries where the citizen are mostly Muslims, in Islam, gambling is prohibited. Either you gamble for fun or gamble for money, both of them are forbidden.

These corrupt officials under the executive branch are only forced to act when the media makes too much noise about illegal activity.  And once the news dies down, they will not pursue the case and continue receiving payrolls from these illegal activities.

The polices might catch the employees instead of someone who willing to stay in jail, the big boss will be free because he can pay as much as he can. Once again, money can buy everything.

[tread93]

Now thats quite interesting. Its like a little elite club. Hush hush secret spot vibes. I dig it. Reminds me of that one movie with will ferrel more recent its called like the house always wins or something stupid like that. Anyways, how cool would it be to just park in this like off chute spot and walk over a street through a shopping plaza go into some secret pathways and bam you're in like this stellar secret spot that hardly anyone knows about it and if you do know about it you're cool. That would be fun. I don't know how you get to be a part of those lol.

I think that playing in such places is even more dangerous, because since it is an underground casino, in case of any disputes you definitely will not be able to get any help there. Maybe for someone it seems cool if you know about such places and have access to them, but for me it seems even more risky. I feel like these kinds of casinos might not play completely fair, and in such places it is very unlikely that you will walk out with your winnings.

Probably why nobody really knows about these places too! Everyone who wins gets the shit kicked out of them and then they dont do anything about it and never go back too scared to tell anyone Probably

[iv4n]

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

Gambling is not illegal in Serbia, but as in many places, gambling is like a sin and should not be practiced. Now people are not as religious as before, so we have more casinos than schools (that's bad by the way, so bad), but before it wasn't like that... There have always been private games, and betting behind closed doors, small & smoked rooms in some alleys. I guess I can say it was like some underground gambling den, but it wasn't illegal, it was just not socially accepted.

It was mostly in some ordinary houses, scattered around the town. In some rooms there were pinball machines, table football and that... and in some rooms behind there were machines. These were poker & slots, which were very few at the time, and if I remember correctly they were some fruit machines. The people were mostly the same...

And then a boom happened and the gambling industry started to grow... now we gamble online with crypto! Who would have thought...

[TheUltraElite]

Gambling is not illegal in Serbia, but as in many places, gambling is like a sin and should not be practiced.

The MeBit team which runs the Primdice/stake sites are having offices in Serbia. I dont think it is with religion but making ends meet. The people working in the offices get employment which is a good thing for them making a living by themselves.

There is an entire office system behind every casino that most players will overlook when not looking for the big picture and only what they are playing with.

However theses are casinos that are functioning with the AML/KYC system of the country and not underground. Underground casinos are running in many shady areas because they dont like to come under government regulations.

[fruktik]

I see people commenting that it exists where gambling is prohibited but it exists almost everywhere only because the gamblers don't want to pay taxes and there's high rollers involved here too if they want to launder their money made from other sources or simply it offers more exclusive games that we can never witness in common life. Might be I am influenced after watching Squid games but it's real, in some middle eastern cities where these things are prohibited but made available due to the demand.

In my city, the fight against illegal casinos lasted for several years. It was possible to close almost all the establishments where slot machines were installed. Then they were replaced by banal computers, which were also installed in small halls. And people also gathered. Who was hindered by this business? Most likely, those who wanted to get much more than just taxation, but were refused. So everything turned out in this way. Is this good or bad? I do not have a clear answer to this question. Everything should be considered in more detail not only from the legal side, but also from the practical side.

[davis196]

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

I would never put my foot into an illegal underground gambling den. I don't want to deal with mobsters and criminals. I prefer wasting my money on a sketchy online casino than visiting such place in person. I agree with you and many forum members, that such places for underground gambling do exist in almost every country around the world, but I'm sure that the organizers of illegal gambling events try their best to keep it a secret. This is either a place, where mobsters are trying to sqeeze as much money as possible from their victims, or a way for a bunch of rich people to play poker without having to visit licensed casinos.

[Zanab247]

Those countries that banned gambling or make gambling illegal in their countries, it make gamblers in such countries not to be comfortable in their gambling system, because they know the punishment that will follow when they are caught with such act.  Underground gambling is not suitable like when gambling is officially legal in your country because there is nothing like fear than to gamble openly for other people to know the source of your income.

I have not watch the video but I have heard about such story in some countries, which is not encouraging for gamblers to gamble in such manner.

[TopTort777]

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

I dont think we have an underground culture representative here on the forum And a smart person would never go down in such den of evil on his own. Every person has an access to hundred and thousands of online casinos. Why would someone in clear mind prefer underground gambling, when gambling is already a risk and a test for nerves system. Underground casinos exist only "for their own" kind of people and I think such people are far from the internet, online or offline gambling, and normal people.

[giammangiato]

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

I would never put my foot into an illegal underground gambling den. I don't want to deal with mobsters and criminals. I prefer wasting my money on a sketchy online casino than visiting such place in person. I agree with you and many forum members, that such places for underground gambling do exist in almost every country around the world, but I'm sure that the organizers of illegal gambling events try their best to keep it a secret. This is either a place, where mobsters are trying to sqeeze as much money as possible from their victims, or a way for a bunch of rich people to play poker without having to visit licensed casinos.

This is one of the many reasons why many online casinos (even not very recommendable ones) are popping up online.
People feel safer, in reality from a certain point of view they are.
Not so much from an economic point of view, but at least they don't risk being attacked or threatened!
The most fun gambling games are still played at home with a group of friends to spend the evening in company (this is the only clandestine game I would accept).

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I saw this thread Gambling in Pop Culture and I remember one movie in particular, starring John Malcovich and Matt Damon. And it makes me wonder about those underground gambling rings. And also when I was growing up watching movies locally, there will always this plot twist that there is a illegal gambling den and it will be raided by the hero of the movie and then those running it says it is being protected by high officials of the government.

And so have you heard of it like in your country?

I also dig one story about it here:

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Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

Underground gambling is something I've never seen or participated in here in my country, I only see such type of gambling in movies and it's always appears to be very brutal, it's not always about gambling alone but also a place where survival is for the fitness and strongest most of the time according to how movies portray it.

I've never thought about the real existence of such places in real life, in fact, i always have believe that such places only exist in movies and I still do till this very moment until I maybe see one in real life, but then, even if such a thing as underground gambling exists for real, I will never participate in such, because it doesn't just put your money at risk, your life as well is at risk in there.

[bakasabo]

Underground gambling is something I've never seen or participated in here in my country, I only see such type of gambling in movies and it's always appears to be very brutal, it's not always about gambling alone but also a place where survival is for the fitness and strongest most of the time according to how movies portray it.

I've never thought about the real existence of such places in real life, in fact, i always have believe that such places only exist in movies and I still do till this very moment until I maybe see one in real life, but then, even if such a thing as underground gambling exists for real, I will never participate in such, because it doesn't just put your money at risk, your life as well is at risk in there.

Underground gambling for me looks like a place where not matter how lucky, skilled you are, you will still get robbed or cheated. A place where you come, voluntarily give your money and leave place with a debt. From the movies we could learn, that vising such place never end well.

When we have cryptocurrency and anonymous payments, digitalization, I dont know who would go to a place like that. Legalization of illegal money are not set on stream, and its easier to turn illegal money to crypto and gamble online, than visit underground casino.

[stompix]

I see people commenting that it exists where gambling is prohibited but it exists almost everywhere only because the gamblers don't want to pay taxes and there's high rollers involved here too if they want to launder their money made from other sources or simply it offers more exclusive games that we can never witness in common life. Might be I am influenced after watching Squid games but it's real, in some middle eastern cities where these things are prohibited but made available due to the demand.

It does exist but it's barely noticeable and most of them are poker rooms where people can play higher odds and between them rather than in a casino.
Compared to how widespread gambling is in legalized areas, gambling outside regulated entities hovers between 5% and 10% in Europe for example and this includes online casinos, meaning that anyone who plays on an online casino that has no licenses for example in Germany, is considered to be gambling illegally.

It makes little sense anyhow, back then it was unlicensed, you could go to prison, you didn't have that many options, nowadays you do it for what?
Money laundering? Doesn't work as the money you get is still dirty! High stakes or anonymity? Just go to an online bookie and play with crypto!
Avoid taxes? Lol, you think illegal bookies don't charge extra on every bet for the risk they take?

[uchegod-21]

I see people commenting that it exists where gambling is prohibited but it exists almost everywhere only because the gamblers don't want to pay taxes and there's high rollers involved here too if they want to launder their money made from other sources or simply it offers more exclusive games that we can never witness in common life. Might be I am influenced after watching Squid games but it's real, in some middle eastern cities where these things are prohibited but made available due to the demand.

Yes, it is very common in countries or regions where gambling is prohibited, but that does not mean that places where gambling is legal cannot be raided when the need arises. We have seen residential homes raided when there is suspected criminal activity going on there. The same can also be done to regulated casinos that allow criminals to use their facilities to perpetrate scams and other illegal activities.

I have not seen any such incidents myself, but I believe that such arrests or raids are done quietly and not violently like we see in the movies.

[purple_sparkles]

Probably why nobody really knows about these places too! Everyone who wins gets the shit kicked out of them and then they dont do anything about it and never go back too scared to tell anyone Probably

I think that players from criminal circles can play there safely, that is, there is an atmosphere and probably a corresponding clientele. And if a player from outside their circle somehow gets there, they will clean him out, then give him a credit limit, which he will also lose there, at least that is the impression I have about such places. And for ordinary people, entry to such establishments is most likely closed, and access there is possible only by invitation. But these are just my guesses.