Underground Gambling

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

I saw this thread Gambling in Pop Culture and I remember one movie in particular, starring John Malcovich and Matt Damon. And it makes me wonder about those underground gambling rings. And also when I was growing up watching movies locally, there will always this plot twist that there is a illegal gambling den and it will be raided by the hero of the movie and then those running it says it is being protected by high officials of the government.

And so have you heard of it like in your country?

I also dig one story about it here:

Eugene Trincher ran a high-stakes illegal poker game in New York City from 2010 through April 2013. At these games, the pots frequently reached tens of thousands of dollars or more. The operators of these poker games, including Eugene Trincher, collected percentages of the pots known as "rakes." Each of the poker games employed at least five or more people to assist with the operation of the poker games, payments of debts, and collection of debts.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/newyork/press-releases/2013/defendants-plead-guilty-in-manhattan-federal-court-to-participating-in-racketeering-conspiracy-with-russian-american-organized-crime-enterprise-operating-international-sportsbook-and-to-participating-in-a-gambling-ring

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

[lovesmayfamilis]

In those countries where gambling is officially prohibited by the state, there will always be underground gambling. Wherever you can get a cash influx, a place will be created that would satisfy the desires and needs of people willing to spend their money. I don’t know of such hot spots in my country, but I think they exist, and they are intended for a narrow circle of people who get there through connections or invitations. Of course, all the films talking about underground casinos are not invented by directors; these are real places that are also monitored, punished, and then reopened. The love of profit will always be in defiance of the laws, one way or another.

[m2017]

I saw this thread Gambling in Pop Culture and I remember one movie in particular, starring John Malcovich and Matt Damon. And it makes me wonder about those underground gambling rings. And also when I was growing up watching movies locally, there will always this plot twist that there is a illegal gambling den and it will be raided by the hero of the movie and then those running it says it is being protected by high officials of the government.

And so have you heard of it like in your country?

It seems to me that this is a stereotypical image. Moreover, it is already outdated, because if something like this happened, it was in the past. Now are different times and different morals, because all industries are regulated. The gambling industry is among them. The place of the high-ranking official who protects is now occupied by the "state". I don't know how it is in other countries, but in mine it happens something like this. There are certain gambling zones where gambling is legal, and in all other areas - it is not. Violation of this leads to consequences. I don't think that anyone would want to take the risk. Even high-ranking officials.

I also dig one story about it here:

Eugene Trincher ran a high-stakes illegal poker game in New York City from 2010 through April 2013. At these games, the pots frequently reached tens of thousands of dollars or more. The operators of these poker games, including Eugene Trincher, collected percentages of the pots known as "rakes." Each of the poker games employed at least five or more people to assist with the operation of the poker games, payments of debts, and collection of debts.

This is an example of a small private underground casino. I do not exclude that somewhere similar still exists, but only for a narrow circle of people. Of course, only its own circle of people. It is more like a small closed club for wealthy people.
 

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

It is illegal. At any moment the police can break in and close this casino. Do you need such entertainment to find yourself in the process of this?

[Slow death]

Gambling is legal here in my country. My government has been encouraging people to open more casinos near the beaches to develop tourism, which would create many jobs. Well, that is happening, but even though gambling is legal in my country, there are still clandestine casinos everywhere. This happens because those clandestine casinos don't want to pay taxes.

But since the clandestine casinos in my country are located inside restaurants, and the government at least collects taxes on the operation of the restaurant, my government pretends not to see the clandestine casinos. People also don't report the clandestine casinos because they want to play near their homes.

[mindrust]

Gambling here is illegal unless the government gives approval to the provider. I have seen some illegal small time card games happening in my town and they ended their activities either because of police interference or after players hurt each other because of the gambling debt. Lately I haven’t witnessed anything like that but I am sure it is still happening in the other parts of the country. It is because no matter what law is in place, some people will want to break the law anyway.

It is wise to stay away from anyone that commits these illegal activities. Every once in a while a fight over debt happens and before you know it bullets start flying.

[Charles-Tim]

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

People are allowed to have a gambling business in my country and citizens are allowed to play so far the person is already 18 years of age or more. Underground gambling are illegal gambling but if gambling is legalized in a country, people will prefer to get registered instead and make their gambling sites legal. This is better than trying not to pay tax but in a way the gambling site can be known and shut down by the government.

I have many gambling platforms that I can use legally, then why underground gambling? As for the online illegal gambling sites, they are not located in my country and I avoid them because I do not trust them. I play on foreign sites like Stake, but that is because they are not illegal but legal and have a license.

[yahoo62278]

The movie you are referring to is Rounders. Probably the poker movie out there even though it is over 20 years old now. Far as underground gambling goes, I used to deal a private poker game. Poker itsself is not illegal but rather when you take a rake from the pot it makes the game illegal. We played Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights and some games would run 24 hours plus. Seen all kinds of crazy plays and met lots of interesting people.

I personally don't think the shit should be illegal, but the government wants their piece which IMO is total bs. They take enough in taxes, let people have some fun without having to be involved.

[aoluain]

Gambling is legal here in my country. My government has been encouraging people to open more casinos near the beaches to develop tourism, which would create many jobs. Well, that is happening, but even though gambling is legal in my country, there are still clandestine casinos everywhere. This happens because those clandestine casinos don't want to pay taxes.

But since the clandestine casinos in my country are located inside restaurants, and the government at least collects taxes on the operation of the restaurant, my government pretends not to see the clandestine casinos. People also don't report the clandestine casinos because they want to play near their homes.

I havent thought about this before and I must look into it. In my country Gambling
is legal as well but it seems like its more controlled than your country primarily to
reduce or eliminate under age gambling.

Anyway I guess the issue surrounding taxes is similar. In hotels I know there are Poker
tournament events happening which I guess is a tax evasion technique possibly.

I can think that that would be the only way gambling would be illegal in my country
or perhaps gambling on illegal events like dog fighting. ^{which i find despicable}

[Free Market Capitalist]

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

No. I might have attended private, underground poker games at the time but ruled it out because of potential risks. You never know if there are going to be people who are in cahoots, or you don't know if they might tip someone off so that when you leave if you've won a lot of money they might try to mug you. For this I preferred to play from home and go to the casino from time to time, where you have some guarantees, there are cameras, parking and security.

[Cointxz]

Until now, there’s a lot of gambling den here in my country even on my neighborhood. I believe this is still existing until since many people wants to gamble PVP on their neighborhood without the need to go on local casino because of their location is too far away.

Gambling is illegal here to play publicly so this illegal gambling den is popular here and some are using burial ceremonies as way to gamble because it’s legal on burial grounds ceremony as way to help bereaved family to gain financial support from gambling game fees.

https://qz.com/436809/in-the-philippines-mourners-honor-the-dead-by-placing-bets

[SamReomo]

When in a country gambling isn't allowed then in that situation underground gambling is going to take place. The gamblers can't control their urge for long time and they've to gamble no matter if it's allowed or not allowed. In many areas where gambling isn't allowed, the friends, or same minded people have created their private places where they'll gamble and have fun. While, in areas where gambling is allowed there's no need of underground gambling.

[Amphenomenon]

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

It is illegal. At any moment the police can break in and close this casino. Do you need such entertainment to find yourself in the process of this?

There are others who still sees it as something worthy. Anyway I prefer online casinos and it's legal to gamble in my country I don't ever see any reason of going there. Such an environment is no for me even if it's in an open space.

I think it might still be occurring in my country while there are those who commonly gamble  cards and draughts locally in an unofficial location they are not scared to do it in open environment and this includes local market.

[lionheart78]

I saw this thread Gambling in Pop Culture and I remember one movie in particular, starring John Malcovich and Matt Damon. And it makes me wonder about those underground gambling rings. And also when I was growing up watching movies locally, there will always this plot twist that there is a illegal gambling den and it will be raided by the hero of the movie and then those running it says it is being protected by high officials of the government.

And so have you heard of it like in your country?

There are cases in my country where high ranking police official is the protector of illegal gambling.  These protectors ranges from barangay officiao as high as high-ranking officials of the law enforcement institution. 

Here is an article where the protector is a former police chief: Police chief tied to drug lord killings took P1M weekly from illegal gambling — ex-Cebu City mayor

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

I have the freedom to gamble online and am free of worries while playing the games I like.  Why would I go to a situation where trouble is inevitable?  I am contented with how I play gambling so it never cross my mind to even try playing in an illegal gambling den.

[swogerino]

Apparently these people who want still to go and find an underground ring to play poker are ignorant or they need to feel some sort of different adrenaline. Nowadays most platforms allow anyone to place big enough bets that there is no need to go and chase these underground places, maybe at that time 2010-2013 the cryptocurrency casinos were not massive and that is most likely the reason why these people needed to feel such adrenaline. As I said now the cryptocurrencies casinos have bloomed big enough and offer the possibility to also place big enough bets that no one now needs to do things like those in 2010-2013 to feel the adrenaline of playing poker with a huge amount of money as their base bet, most big casinos now allow to place big enough bets so I see no reason why someone should go and put themselves at danger by accessing illegal gambling rings.

[joeperry]

I'm sure that they exist but I'm don't want to look for it or play on it, unregulated gambling dens like are dangerous, you might not know who you are playing with or if you managed to win they might get after you or something like that. I still want regulated casinos and sports betting.

Even though they are protected by the government or people with power (such as police), you might get at risk if you win, they might arrest you.  

[btc_angela]

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

It is illegal. At any moment the police can break in and close this casino. Do you need such entertainment to find yourself in the process of this?

There are others who still sees it as something worthy. Anyway I prefer online casinos and it's legal to gamble in my country I don't ever see any reason of going there. Such an environment is no for me even if it's in an open space.

I'm not sure what you mean by worthy. I mean it's illegal by any sense so why take the chances to play? And for sure the crowd there is very different, no security whatsoever so it's a dangerous place to play.

I think it might still be occurring in my country while there are those who commonly gamble  cards and draughts locally in an unofficial location they are not scared to do it in open environment and this includes local market.

Perhaps is occurs in many countries and there are somewhat being back by corrupt politicians and the police force. But again, it's not like something we see very often in the streets or neighborhood and probably only few people know that they existed.

[KiaKia]

This was in the past now, although some countries like Korea still forbids gambling, but most countries are only after illegal gambling rings, now things are different because you only need two things.

1. Did your government supports or permits casinos to operate in your country?
2. Can you get your casino business registred?

If these two questions are checked marked for you then nothing will happen, nowadays many countries use casinos as another income stream to strengthen their country, while some don't like the idea at all like Korea.

[Amphenomenon]

Or have you played in this kind of underground gambling den before?

It is illegal. At any moment the police can break in and close this casino. Do you need such entertainment to find yourself in the process of this?

There are others who still sees it as something worthy. Anyway I prefer online casinos and it's legal to gamble in my country I don't ever see any reason of going there. Such an environment is no for me even if it's in an open space.

I'm not sure what you mean by worthy. I mean it's illegal by any sense so why take the chances to play? And for sure the crowd there is very different, no security whatsoever so it's a dangerous place to play.

I meant if it worth the risks for them. It's illegal doesn't mean people can't do it. People do things against the government policies because they see it as worth it but the risks are still there.

We can possibly say that it's dangerous, with it many potential risks which might not be worth taken by one but to another it's just like we see on movies of such.

[justinlamode]

My country have no restriction in gambling as there even serious competition in the gambling business. Hence, there is no need for this kind of gambling which is mostly seen in countries where gambling is banned. There was a time in my country where there was resentment at gambling, which made people gamble in secret. Then this form of gambling was possible but now people discuss gambling openly and even some who had things to say against gambling in the past now gamble actively. What could have changed? Well, I don't know.

[Japinat]

Before online gambling became popular, underground gambling was already a thing.. and yeah, I actually got to experience that. It was usually a group of gamblers in one big place with different tables. Just local card games in our area, but it definitely fits the description of underground gambling.

There were no taxes involved, just pure gambling. The “house” or host would only take a small commission for sponsoring the games. But nowadays, it’s gotten riskier because of the presence of cameras, anyone could easily record and report it with solid evidence.