Bitcoin in the next decade

[Finebone]

It is needless for people to attach a specific big expectations of profits to a fixed time as the future of bitcoin is not set in stone. No one knows what bitcoin will look like in the next cycle.

People should not act surprised if they reach their intended target year and still don't see that big profit they imagined, and if perhaps something like that happen the next thing they start do is to blame the whales, the government or bad timing.

People have to accept this uncertainty even if they don't want to and invest will only the money that can afforded to be lose.

Too much expectations can be problematic sometimes, and it's what we should try to avoid in other not to be disappointed. Even though we are all big fan of Bitcoin, we should try to speak the truth to ourselves, because in Bitcoin investment nothing is certain, and it's as risky as every other investment out there.
We are only here believing and investing in it because overtime it has proven to be reliable on the longer run, and since it still has a lot of potential ahead, so we are likely betting that it future is bright, that's why investing what we can afford to lose is way more better for our mental health and emotions, so that suicide will never be an option if Bitcoin didn't goes as planned.

[Merit.s]

It is needless for people to attach a specific big expectations of profits to a fixed time as the future of bitcoin is not set in stone. No one knows what bitcoin will look like in the next cycle.

People should not act surprised if they reach their intended target year and still don't see that big profit they imagined, and if perhaps something like that happen the next thing they start do is to blame the whales, the government or bad timing.

People have to accept this uncertainty even if they don't want to and invest will only the money that can afforded to be lose.

Too much expectations can be problematic sometimes, and it's what we should try to avoid in other not to be disappointed. Even though we are all big fan of Bitcoin, we should try to speak the truth to ourselves, because in Bitcoin investment nothing is certain, and it's as risky as every other investment out there.
We are only here believing and investing in it because overtime it has proven to be reliable on the longer run, and since it still has a lot of potential ahead, so we are likely betting that it future is bright, that's why investing what we can afford to lose is way more better for our mental health and emotions, so that suicide will never be an option if Bitcoin didn't goes as planned.

Though, profits isn't guaranteed but bitcoin asymmetric bet looks promising than any other asset in future because bitcoin is still in her early stage and the population of people that have adopted bitcoin is still relatively very low compared to the world population which is adoption will continue increasing overtime.

Of course, when it comes to bitcoin investment or any investment, you should only use what you can afford to lose to enable you nurture and grow the investment overtime. It's same with bitcoin even though, it's considered to be a speculative asset. When you use what you can afford to lose, you will be able to hodli for long and limit the risk and if bitcoin price didn't perform as expected, it wouldn't affect you financially. This is why when investing, increasing your income and having other asset or business is good.

[Proty]

There is nothing wrong having an investment timeline but I would say that expectations should be lower as not to be disappointed if it happens that your investment is not in profits or not as in profits that you wanted your investment to be within your expected investment timeline, no one knows for sure or certain about what will become of bitcoin at whatever timeline of an investor , there should be a different between hitting your investment timeline and time of which you could consider selling some portion of your Bitcoin because you can hit your investment timeline and might not likely want to sell because of the level of profits that you are.

it is needless for people to attach a specific big expectations of profits to a fixed time as the future of bitcoin is not set in stone. No one knows what bitcoin will look like in the next cycle.

People should not act surprised if they reach their intended target year and still don't see that big profit they imagined, and if perhaps something like that happen the next thing they start do is to blame the whales, the government or bad timing.

People have to accept this uncertainty even if they don't want to and invest will only the money that can afforded to be lose.

Yes it is wrong to be anticipating a huge profit or certain amounts of profit within a given timeframe However all investors should have a target as per the amount of bitcoin they plan to accumulate within a given timeline even if they failed to land at that exact amount of bitcoin before that timeline. An investor can always make adjustments if it happens they were unable to reach there investment goal before the anticipated timeline. I believe having a timeline will encourage consistent in buying of bitcoin and it will make an investor to be focus in other to be able to achieve there goals. But if they are not able to there is always room for adjustment.

[Joeboy]

The fact of the matter seems to be that any guy who had attempted to invests into bitcoin at a reasonable level (something like 10% of his income) could have had invested somewhere around his annual income into bitcoin over around 9.5 years and been in a position of had invested around a whole years of his income, which currently would result in the potential to have gotten to a position of having enough bitcoin or perhaps even more than enough bitcoin... and yeah sometimes it can be difficult to ongoingly, persistently, consistently and even regularly be putting some thing like 10% of a guys income into bitcoin.  

Surely 10% of your income would have had been reasonable, yet still you would have had needed to be in a position that at least 10%, and perhaps even closer to 20% of your income could be considered as discretionary income.. which yeah, sometimes can be a challenge.

That is why no amount of investment should be underestimated, here it is clear that by continuing to invest in small amounts, at some point the amount of that investment becomes much more. I think that no matter how little money we earn, if we set aside 10% of that money for investment, it will not be much pressure for us and if we can invest this 10% continuously for eight years or 9 years or 10 years, then the amount of money we can earn per year is almost equal to the amount of money we can earn per year, but Bitcoin will accumulate over this long period.

Suppose someone earns 20 thousand dollars in a year and he sets aside 10% of his income and invests it continuously and he keeps his investment for nine or 10 years, but after these nine or 10 years, his investment amount will be about twenty thousand dollars, that is, it is very high. If the investor did not invest his 10%, then this 10% money would have been spent on some other thing, due to which this support would not have been created later.

Sure it may be quite reasonable that folks begin their Bitcoin accumulation with 10% rather than waiting for a huge sum to start, but then along the way, it would seem more reasonable also that folks don't just remain stuck in one particular point, they should apply some level of flexibility by increasing the amount to a higher percentage. I know too well that it may quite be very bad for folks to overstretch their financial limits, that is why I suggest that folks should try getting some other source of income and if necessary, cut down some unnecessary expenses so as to increase influx of cash, from which the investor can use to strengthen his discretionary income for investment...

[JayJuanGee]

Hopefully for your own good, you figure out a position size that allows you to prepare for 10 years from now and perhaps longer (to the extent that you don't have age and/or healthy issues that would not allow you to prepare that far into the future).

Since you have been registered here since September 2016 (9.5 years), perhaps you have already figured out some way to take some kind of a reasonable and meaningful position in bitcoin - whether you are still building that position or if you believe you reached a status of having enough or more than enough bitcoin.  

We surely cannot go back in time for guys who might have had been around bitcoin for decent amounts of time and who may have had not been building a decent and/or reasonable bitcoin position based on their own skepticisms of bitcoin or their other views about investing into bitcoin as compared with other places that you could choose to put your time, energy and value.

There are many people who have known about Bitcoin for eight or 10 years but have not invested in it yet. The only reason for their lack of investment is not that they do not have money but the most important reason is that they may have been waiting all the time and could not dare to start investing. Those who have already missed this opportunity are certainly regretting it now but they should not waste time in the future but should prepare for the future by using the lessons they have learned from the past. If investors take investment decisions considering their income status, expenses, health or other aspects and if they ensure that investing a certain amount of money in Bitcoin continuously will not feel pressured for them then they can plan and start investing accordingly and if they invest with such a plan then their investment will definitely last long.

People do not necessarily learn from their past mistakes, and many continue to make the same mistake which revolves around their being too late.. So the solution seems to be to get started rather than continuing to think about it without acting.

The fact of the matter seems to be that any guy who had attempted to invests into bitcoin at a reasonable level (something like 10% of his income) could have had invested somewhere around his annual income into bitcoin over around 9.5 years and been in a position of had invested around a whole years of his income, which currently would result in the potential to have gotten to a position of having enough bitcoin or perhaps even more than enough bitcoin... and yeah sometimes it can be difficult to ongoingly, persistently, consistently and even regularly be putting some thing like 10% of a guys income into bitcoin.  

Surely 10% of your income would have had been reasonable, yet still you would have had needed to be in a position that at least 10%, and perhaps even closer to 20% of your income could be considered as discretionary income.. which yeah, sometimes can be a challenge.

That is why no amount of investment should be underestimated, here it is clear that by continuing to invest in small amounts, at some point the amount of that investment becomes much more. I think that no matter how little money we earn, if we set aside 10% of that money for investment, it will not be much pressure for us and if we can invest this 10% continuously for eight years or 9 years or 10 years, then the amount of money we can earn per year is almost equal to the amount of money we can earn per year, but Bitcoin will accumulate over this long period.

Suppose someone earns 20 thousand dollars in a year and he sets aside 10% of his income and invests it continuously and he keeps his investment for nine or 10 years, but after these nine or 10 years, his investment amount will be about twenty thousand dollars, that is, it is very high. If the investor did not invest his 10%, then this 10% money would have been spent on some other thing, due to which this support would not have been created later.

10% is a relatively modest target investment amount that many people can figure out ways to meet such levels, unless they really have low discretionary funds, then they would need to adjust downwardly as a way to account for their low discretionary fund levels.

On the other hand, if you were to be starting from the beginning right now to establish your bitcoin stash, then you may well need to try to  to invest closer to 20% of your annual income into bitcoin, which it can be more difficult for some guys to get to high enough discretionary levels, so ultimately you have to work with what you got.. yet again, it can be hard to know the circumstances of anyone, including that each person surely has to account for their discretionary income in terms of figuring out how aggressive they are able to be in their bitcoin accumulation and to get their bitcoin to a place of having enough or more than enough.

If someone wants to start investing now, he must first be sure of his monthly income and total expenses. Apart from expenses, he must be sure of how much money he has left. If he sees that he has 20% or a little more money left, then he can start his continuous investment phase with 10% or 15%.

If the remaining money is 20% or 25% and from there he can start with 10% or 15%, then I think it will definitely not be a pressure for him. That is why there will be no pressure because even after investing, he will have some money left.

There is no free lunch, so we cannot proclaim to know what is pressure or not for any other person other than ourselves. A person has to figure out his balance and take action to invest in bitcoin. If he cannot motivate himself to invest in bitcoin, then he will have to live with the consequences of not having had invested.

sure it is reasonable to spend half or even 3/4 of your discretionary funds for investing, yet those are still discretionary choices.. and so if we look at discretionary funds we see that they can be allocated to investing, saving and/or consumption.. so maybe it would be good to start with 1/3 of the discretionary funds being allocated for each of those three categories... and yeah, if there are some reasons to allocate more in one direction or another then those adjustments could be made.

Investors are advised to be stress-free because if they consider investment to be a pressure, they will not be able to move very far with that pressure.

I think management is more important in investment, in real experience I have seen people who earn relatively more money but they do not understand the proper management of that money, that is, when money comes to them, they spend it unplanned, as a result of which they face financial crisis at the end of the month, similarly I have seen people with low income who follow a lot of plans and they set aside money for savings at the end of the month. So with proper management and if there is an investment plan, then it is definitely possible for an investor to invest consistently with 10% and 15% at the end of the month and this investment can be made long-term.

I actually do not want to interfere with anyone's investment strategy, there are many who invest aggressively, now if those who have the ability do it aggressively, then it is not a problem. Whether investors invest aggressively or invest slowly, they can continue their investment for a long time without stress.

There are some aspects of life that can have stress, so sure, maybe it is possible to avoid stress, yet I am not sure if everyone has the same goal in that way... even though they might try to set their investment and/cashflow management systems up in such way to provide them some balance so that they minimize how emotional that they might get about their investment and/or any other aspects of their cashflow management at any given time.

[john_egbert]

Hopefully for your own good, you figure out a position size that allows you to prepare for 10 years from now and perhaps longer (to the extent that you don't have age and/or healthy issues that would not allow you to prepare that far into the future).

Since you have been registered here since September 2016 (9.5 years), perhaps you have already figured out some way to take some kind of a reasonable and meaningful position in bitcoin - whether you are still building that position or if you believe you reached a status of having enough or more than enough bitcoin.  

We surely cannot go back in time for guys who might have had been around bitcoin for decent amounts of time and who may have had not been building a decent and/or reasonable bitcoin position based on their own skepticisms of bitcoin or their other views about investing into bitcoin as compared with other places that you could choose to put your time, energy and value.

There are many people who have known about Bitcoin for eight or 10 years but have not invested in it yet. The only reason for their lack of investment is not that they do not have money but the most important reason is that they may have been waiting all the time and could not dare to start investing. Those who have already missed this opportunity are certainly regretting it now but they should not waste time in the future but should prepare for the future by using the lessons they have learned from the past. If investors take investment decisions considering their income status, expenses, health or other aspects and if they ensure that investing a certain amount of money in Bitcoin continuously will not feel pressured for them then they can plan and start investing accordingly and if they invest with such a plan then their investment will definitely last long.

People do not necessarily learn from their past mistakes, and many continue to make the same mistake which revolves around their being too late.. So the solution seems to be to get started rather than continuing to think about it without acting.

As my teacher in Uni said - " It's not bad to make mistakes. It's bad not to learn from them afterward".

 

[imthegreat]

After the final "bloody" days of January, Bitcoin ended the month in the red, marking its fourth consecutive "red" month. This is a rare occurrence for digital gold, which typically declines for three months.



Looking back to 2013, there have been only a couple of exceptions:

- In 2014, from July to November, Bitcoin fell for four months in a row, from approximately $660 to $350.
This was a consequence of the Mt. Gox collapse, increased scrutiny of cryptocurrency companies by US authorities, and a correction after the price reached $1,100.

- In 2018, from August to February 2019, the decline lasted a record six months (the only such case; even five has never happened). The arrival of a true crypto winter.
 The fall from 7700 to 3400, Bitcoin folded 55%. This was actually part of a larger decline from 20k.
Reasons: the ICO crash, of course, regulators, FUD.

Currently: Bitcoin is falling from $126,199 and has already reached $74,600.
And we already assumed this was a strong level, and that's where it stopped.

[betswift]

^ If it falls up to 50-60K i wouldn't mind it at all. Imagine the eventual rebound on such digits.. Then again, I already see the topics of the Bull and the Bear and the confidence slowllyyyy slipping away especially from the weak hands, so maybe such a deep bottom is not needed 

[simonova]

It would be appreciated if your views are given without being influenced by others considered reputable
I want to understand what people individually feel about this. Thank you.

Okay you can take it as a pessimistic POV but ever since the interest by government and institutions I feel we are losing on decentralization and privacy.
Don't get me wrong, I love to see Bitcoin price rising and adoptions but it's like the reason is rising is flawed. People joining for sometime now are only in it for the potential price increase and care nothing about a decentralized system.

It's subtle but it's happening, checked X during the exch shutdown and I saw many branding people that push for privacy as scammers. They were the majority.

We thought with all this news and mainstream many could learn about Bitcoin but no they barely know a thing.
We are compromising and giving excuse that it wouldn't get worse like the rise of KYC compliant exchanges or ETF approvals. But compromise is the first step before full acceptance.

Humans are political animals as they say, as long as there are group of people there must be politics. I'm sure this isn't different in the developers community.

Would government fold their hands and not try to make devs push a protocol that would favour them? I doubt, I understand we have miners and full nodes for checks and the open source process and peer review make covert protocol changes difficult. But we can't deny that Dev still have some influence (I used them as example since they are smaller in numbers).


I know we survived without government support and can survive without it but What are your thoughts on the direction we heading?

I completely agree with you, new investors care only about profit and thus they are investing in bitcoin hoping for price rise.

This is not new , it has been observed in things like silver and gold also. Like recently, silver showed like 5x growth in 2 years but if you follow recent news it is now dropping every day by 20-30%. Whenever, the people are investing something for future gains instead of real value in that thing, it will crash sooner or later.

[arwin100]

It would be appreciated if your views are given without being influenced by others considered reputable
I want to understand what people individually feel about this. Thank you.

Okay you can take it as a pessimistic POV but ever since the interest by government and institutions I feel we are losing on decentralization and privacy.
Don't get me wrong, I love to see Bitcoin price rising and adoptions but it's like the reason is rising is flawed. People joining for sometime now are only in it for the potential price increase and care nothing about a decentralized system.

It's subtle but it's happening, checked X during the exch shutdown and I saw many branding people that push for privacy as scammers. They were the majority.

We thought with all this news and mainstream many could learn about Bitcoin but no they barely know a thing.
We are compromising and giving excuse that it wouldn't get worse like the rise of KYC compliant exchanges or ETF approvals. But compromise is the first step before full acceptance.

Humans are political animals as they say, as long as there are group of people there must be politics. I'm sure this isn't different in the developers community.

Would government fold their hands and not try to make devs push a protocol that would favour them? I doubt, I understand we have miners and full nodes for checks and the open source process and peer review make covert protocol changes difficult. But we can't deny that Dev still have some influence (I used them as example since they are smaller in numbers).


I know we survived without government support and can survive without it but What are your thoughts on the direction we heading?

I completely agree with you, new investors care only about profit and thus they are investing in bitcoin hoping for price rise.

This is not new , it has been observed in things like silver and gold also. Like recently, silver showed like 5x growth in 2 years but if you follow recent news it is now dropping every day by 20-30%. Whenever, the people are investing something for future gains instead of real value in that thing, it will crash sooner or later.

If people intention is to look for quick gains on their investments, this usually creates a bubble which later on immediately burst. Also it does not mean the asset experience a price crash meaning it will go to no value. Silver and gold experience this then eventually it goes up then still hold its value because of its utility also with its scarcity in nature.

Those hype going for short term might cause problems to them, also we could see on situation happen to gold and silver that short term investment with these good asset also including Bitcoin will not really give them best result. Much better if they aim for long term because they can escape having big pressure brought by those sudden events.

[Son Of Blockchain (SOB)]

^ If it falls up to 50-60K i wouldn't mind it at all. Imagine the eventual rebound on such digits.. Then again, I already see the topics of the Bull and the Bear and the confidence slowllyyyy slipping away especially from the weak hands, so maybe such a deep bottom is not needed 

Bitcoin grows at it's own pace, according to demand and supply, doesn't matter whether it falls dipper or not what matters most is to keep holding, maintenan consistency in adding to your portfolio and take advantage of the dips using the DCA. One thing about weak hands is that they'll always panic but learn at the end cause they mostly regret their actions of panic selling.
 This is the right time to take advantage of the market not for short-term gains but to buy cheaply and continue holding, although im aware that many people are happy about this deep so they can buy and make profits when the market recovers.

[PhilosopherKing]

People do not necessarily learn from their past mistakes, and many continue to make the same mistake which revolves around their being too late.. So the solution seems to be to get started rather than continuing to think about it without acting.

I completely agree with you. It always is dumb and utterly pointless for people to waiting untill everything are in order before invested in bitcoin. What more could they be possibly be waiting for when they have discretionary income.

They should start ongoingly buying as soon as they can with the small that they have and scale up as they go.

[Dogedegen]

I finally found my way to this again.

There are 2 classes of long-term investors. One is the one that you are referring to, they do not know much about Bitcoin and are focused on gains. The other is completely opposite of this one, they know a lot about Bitcoin and they try to learn more continuously. They do not care about the price movement short term, but not even that much long-term even though they are confident that the trend is towards positive price performance. They are essentially living and breathing the Bitcoin life, I love people who are like that even if they are rare.

I am not sure why people would need to be in one camp or another, since guys can have gradients of each of the characteristics that you seem to be describing... .. so to be into bitcoin for the self sovereignty and also for the number go up.

In other words, why not both?

Bitcoin specifically has built in incentives and structures that contribute towards motivating investing time, energy and value into bitcoin, whether we are talking about node running, mining, developing, holding bitcoin directly and/or holding bitcoin through paper products (in which the actual bitcoin might not be there).

You are right, but often when we talk about groups or categories we are just doing it for clarity and it is implied that everything else in between can exist. We also say that things can be hot or cold, but  they can be anything in between those. I observed those as 2 large groupings, maybe you can see them as extreme opposites of each other. They kind of stand out, that is why I notice them more. The first class is often those that bought all kinds of shitcoins and some of them even believe XRP is the next Bitcoin.  The other class, well if you ever meet a person like that, you will never forget them. Most people are in between, but they are less memorable because of that and that is fine.

Yep.. buyer beware and there seem to be even quite smart people who get sucked into the various scam products, and like you suggested some of them are more scammy than others... yet several of them can be very convincing and end up costing normies a lot of value (including wasting their time and energy too)

That is why I wish we were better at countering FUD and objectively false information even if it is hard to make measures that are hard to corrupt. From what I can observe of the internet platforms, only very specific groups or servers that are well moderated are rejecting misleading information. Here, on X, and many Reddit pages they let users write all kinds of false information and this inevitably leads to many people getting scammed. I don't know the best solution to this, that balances free speech but also protection of the normies. I guess private platforms could do better, but in any case government should not be doing this or we will become very censored and that is even worse than what we have now.

Of course we have development going on in terms of individual usage and also various paper products and financialization, and of course, the paperization will likely continue to play out as a kind of attack vector since the powers that be would like to be able to transact on bitcoin, and to ptu obstacles in the ways that individuals can transact on bitcoin without being monitored and/or otherwise controlled.

It is not all lovey dovey since the powers that be want to be able to harness bitcoin, even while they want to not kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.  They would like to have their cake and eat it too.. even though bitcoin has probably advanced farther than they would have had wanted it to advance since it seems that only recently has the attacks transition from direct attacks to cooptation, even though surely ongoing evidence of direct attacks (such as arresting and jailing samurai developers) exists side by side.

I think that the maturity process is happening independently, but challenges are going to come again in different varieties and scale. They are often going to be similar challenges to those of the past, but sometimes they will be newer ones. The battle for privacy and sovereignty is going to happen continuously, and that is the one that we must participate in. If we lose that with Bitcoin, then the whole game is over. I can understand them wanting to coopt large portions of the supply, we can't prevent them from doing that because that is part of the decentralized nature. But we must stop them from limiting some of the key features that Bitcoin has, those that they don't like.

If we assume that the ETF data is real and that they are not selling a lot of paper Bitcoin,

These guys are professional manipulators, so you can believe them if you like.

I was not saying that we should assume or believe them, it was part of a conditional statement. If we assume that the data is false, then we can't say that it confirms anything at all since we don't know the degree to which it is false. 10% paper Bitcoin? 100%? 400%? There are huge differences between those metrics.

We have to take Saylor with a grain of salt.. Sure he might be a good guy and all, yet some aspect of what he is doing is getting too BIG for his own britches.  

Strategy is too huge, it would be better for everyone if some other companies continue to buy instead and they stop. Better for them, for us and for Bitcoin. Becoming too big causes new systemic risks.

Hopefully, he does not end up fucking up in the custody arrangements and/or any backroom dealings that might be happening in and around him.

Yes that is a risk, he does not have that much of experience in these areas to be called an expert so there is a fair chance of someone trying to pull something on it.

He is likely mostly an outsider, and there probably are some status quo financial actors (JP Morgan, Jaime Diamond, et al) who would like Saylor to get wrecked in one way or another, even though we don't necessarily know various aspects of the insiderness/outsiderness and the various ways that pool might be clean or dirty... Saylor does travel with a lot of body guards, even though the last 5.5-ish years, he has been purposefully putting himself in the spotlight, a lot.  

These are my thoughts exactly. He may have a big thing going on here, but he is an outsider to the status quo financial actors. Still I am not sure if this is bad or good compared to the alternative. If he was or becomes an insider there, it is a question if he would retain his pro Bitcoin views or he would try to sabotage users in favor of the institutional manipulations.

Even the Saylor products are complicated, since one thing is attempting to understand the underlying, but then trying to understand the underlying as compared with company stocks or various new financial products that they introduced ,and some of the products that they introduced were innovative in themselves.  I have been participating in the MSTR thread since 2020, and still sometimes the new products come out and guys get so excited about them and even asking me why I was participating in the thread yet at the same time not buying the various MSTR products... so yeah, there were even guys kicking themselves for not buying various MSTR products in early 2025, yet they are relieved now, and then they are kicking themselves for not buying Gold and Silver prior to 2025. which yeah, these various ways of investing and/or allocating ourselves is all over the place.  I am not going to claim to understand how they all relate to each other even though sometimes they might have positive and/or negative flows in and out of bitcoin, and even if many of us don't really know how so much of these matters relate to each other, we still might adjust our bitcoin position and/or our view and practices related to our bitcoin investment, our cashflow management practices and/or our decisions to get in or out of other assets.. .whether slowly over time or in a trading kind of way.. and I don't tend to like to trade or gamble, even though I have liked bitcoin and I continue to like bitcoin... even while know that there can be extended times that even bitcoin's price performance is confusing when looked at on its own or looked at in terms of various derrivative product and/or macro happenings (related products such as silver and gold).

It does not help at all that there are many kinds of products there, some are similar and others are completely different or new. For helping people understand all the products they should make a simple presentation or something that discusses and compares everything that they are offering. But this kind of clarity and transparency is rare these days. Even if they don't have any duty to do this, it would be a nice thing. When it comes to various allocations, I think the general rule is that people should try to buy when the prices are low whatever it is that they are buying. I have known many people who didn't buy silver for years while it was floating around $20 and now they bought at over $100, there were even some pictures of lines of people in some cities trying to buy gold and silver. The idea is to buy low and sell high, and not to buy high and sell low hopefully. 

Crazy times in regards to people getting arrested in England for their internet activities (hate speech) and also attempts from various European Union to try to enforce their anti-speech laws on Americans who are not in the European Union (through extra-territoriality principles).. which the USA is also a very guilty party when it comes to enforcing USA laws on people outside of the USA.. CZ for example.

Yes, we live in very crazy time and what is even more dangerous is that many Europeans are on board with this or try to minimize the harm. Maybe I missed some threads, but I don't see many Europeans here fighting against these proposal or writing against them it seems they are mostly ignoring them and passively accepting it.