XYES.COM SCAM ( UPD they returned the winnings)

[nutildah]

I'm still doing my review on XYes but these guys don't have a valid license. There's a GCB seal on the bottom left of all casinos in Curacao. Green means they have a valid license. Orange means you can continue to operate but the application is still in process. When you click the seal it'll show the license information. There's a one year validity cycle. All the licenses start with the first 4 numbers 2023 or 2024.

XYes has no seal and the license number isn't valid. It starts 2022.

What he's talking about can be seen here, the full list of GCB licenses:

https://gamingcontrol.spin-cdn.com/media/license_registry/20250424_250424_online_gaming_register.pdf

So yeah, none of them start with "2022", that's not a good sign for this casino. But to be fair, having a license doesn't necessarily mean a casino is good or trustworthy. I would rather play at a casino with a long standing reputation and no license than one where they made up license information. In this space, it is all about reputation. And nothing helps reputation like good business practices, which does not look like the case here.

they deserve a flag for the fake license, once promoting on their home page of having more than 800,000 users and two scams accusing posters of arbitrage betting.

They don't _have_ to prove arbitrage betting took place, although it would help with their community perception if they bothered to explain themselves more thoroughly. As far as the flag is concerned, feel free to open it yourself (Type 1) and I will consider supporting it if there is no reasonable explanation of the license situation. Also, OP can open a Type 2 or Type 3 flag but it may not gain enough support to become active.

[Rating Place]

I'm still doing my review on XYes but these guys don't have a valid license. There's a GCB seal on the bottom left of all casinos in Curacao. Green means they have a valid license. Orange means you can continue to operate but the application is still in process. When you click the seal it'll show the license information. There's a one year validity cycle. All the licenses start with the first 4 numbers 2023 or 2024.

XYes has no seal and the license number isn't valid. It starts 2022.

What he's talking about can be seen here, the full list of GCB licenses:

https://gamingcontrol.spin-cdn.com/media/license_registry/20250424_250424_online_gaming_register.pdf

So yeah, none of them start with "2022", that's not a good sign for this casino. But to be fair, having a license doesn't necessarily mean a casino is good or trustworthy. I would rather play at a casino with a long standing reputation and no license than one where they made up license information. In this space, it is all about reputation. And nothing helps reputation like good business practices, which does not look like the case here.

they deserve a flag for the fake license, once promoting on their home page of having more than 800,000 users and two scams accusing posters of arbitrage betting.

They don't _have_ to prove arbitrage betting took place, although it would help with their community perception if they bothered to explain themselves more thoroughly. As far as the flag is concerned, feel free to open it yourself (Type 1) and I will consider supporting it if there is no reasonable explanation of the license situation. Also, OP can open a Type 2 or Type 3 flag but it may not gain enough support to become active.

 I agree with you. A license isn't a big deal. The problem is lying about the license to go with the rest.

I'm not starting a flag, it's up to the two guys that got robbed. It's their money.

[illanz]

Honestly, I’d rather trust a casino with a solid reputation and no license than one that’s faking its license info really hard to trust and play.

[ziportan]

how to call moderation? why don't they hold these scammers accountable, let them delete their topic or prove that I am a violator. what is happening to this site? only casino scammers and their puppies who feed from the hands of casino scammers sit on this forum

I take this as a no, that you don't need me to try to intervene. I am withdrawing myself for good, then.

bro who are you to make hush hush backdoor deals with casinos when they basically steal users funds? whats your influence and relationship with them? its just so fkn weird that you think you are able to negotiate with any kinda scam casino here. just really wondering

Me? No one, really. Especially when it come to this casino, as I have literally zero touch with them. I honestly don't know what'll happen if OP say yes, that'll send me to go to a lengthy mission to get to the bottom of his case.

If you wonder though, what I plan in my head is to persuade the casino rep that'll be in touch with me to be the bigger man and pay OP the difference from what he already withdrawn and what he should have had [hence me asking the amount disputed in earlier post], hoping that my reputation as no one on this forum is enough to convince them that it doesn't worth the headache. TBH, not my style, really, to talk a casino into paying without listening and weighting their side, especially as OP already take and withdraw the returned deposit, which widely considered as an agreement to settle and become the end of a case, as it can be perceived as me siding with player, while I strive to stand in neutral.

So... fortunately I am once again out of this case, for good this time.

why are you making this such a big deal? All you have to do is ask XYes why they posted a fake license and do they have proof of arbitrage betting? I asked, they didn’t answer me so I’ll grade them F. If they don’t answer you then tag them.

Sure, the two players are starting to act like idiots and it’s becoming tough for even me to side with them but the whole point is to help.

I’m in their thread now asking about their fake license https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5543708.msg65497509#msg65497509

I see only one idiot here and thats you bro:) still begging these guys for help while knowing  all of these lowlifes eat from the same plate and they dont ever step on each others toes.just give up if you already graded them f, its done

[slaman29]

That was a slap to my face? And supposed to be a great one? Oh?

Sorry, I didn't know it's a slap that meant to be stinging. I didn't even realize slaman29's post being quoted was meant to be a slap to me.

Hi everyone whenever I see my name tagged 10x in Scam accusations or reputation I usually ignore but I just want to say I was not attacking anyone in anyway. Definitely not the guy to do this, I don't meddle around.

I looked at my post and it was just my personal 'advice'  to everyone in general, you need a gang to be a gangster

[Rating Place]

how to call moderation? why don't they hold these scammers accountable, let them delete their topic or prove that I am a violator. what is happening to this site? only casino scammers and their puppies who feed from the hands of casino scammers sit on this forum

I take this as a no, that you don't need me to try to intervene. I am withdrawing myself for good, then.

bro who are you to make hush hush backdoor deals with casinos when they basically steal users funds? whats your influence and relationship with them? its just so fkn weird that you think you are able to negotiate with any kinda scam casino here. just really wondering

Me? No one, really. Especially when it come to this casino, as I have literally zero touch with them. I honestly don't know what'll happen if OP say yes, that'll send me to go to a lengthy mission to get to the bottom of his case.

If you wonder though, what I plan in my head is to persuade the casino rep that'll be in touch with me to be the bigger man and pay OP the difference from what he already withdrawn and what he should have had [hence me asking the amount disputed in earlier post], hoping that my reputation as no one on this forum is enough to convince them that it doesn't worth the headache. TBH, not my style, really, to talk a casino into paying without listening and weighting their side, especially as OP already take and withdraw the returned deposit, which widely considered as an agreement to settle and become the end of a case, as it can be perceived as me siding with player, while I strive to stand in neutral.

So... fortunately I am once again out of this case, for good this time.

why are you making this such a big deal? All you have to do is ask XYes why they posted a fake license and do they have proof of arbitrage betting? I asked, they didn’t answer me so I’ll grade them F. If they don’t answer you then tag them.

Sure, the two players are starting to act like idiots and it’s becoming tough for even me to side with them but the whole point is to help.

I’m in their thread now asking about their fake license https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5543708.msg65497509#msg65497509

I see only one idiot here and thats you bro:) still begging these guys for help while knowing  all of these lowlifes eat from the same plate and they dont ever step on each others toes.just give up if you already graded them f, its done

The sad part is you may be right.

@holydarkness, he asked for your help

People have already left too many different reviews about you here, but if you can, try to contact the casino and find out what happened.

Believe me, this isn't a difficult case.

1. Why are you showing a fake license?
2. How do you know the two players made arbitrage plays?


Some of the bets were for $24 but let's just assume these huge arbitrage players used $500 to arb. They would make less than $20.

[Wapfika]

they deserve a flag for the fake license, once promoting on their home page of having more than 800,000 users and two scams accusing posters of arbitrage betting.

You should create a separate scam accusation for this and provide substantial evidence on your claim. I don’t play on this casino so I have few valuable input on their reputation aside from their current marketing campaign in the forum and active.y replying on cases against them.

Those fake license and number of users is serious concern however arbitrage betting cases is always on my ignore list since it’s very to prove that as an observer only to the case.

Link your scam accusation on their ANN threak to make everyone aware if you are confident to your claim.

[holydarkness]

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@holydarkness, he asked for your help

People have already left too many different reviews about you here, but if you can, try to contact the casino and find out what happened.

[...]

Yeah, already on it. I've made contact with staff on XYes, but we can't talk for long due to timezone difference and I have to handle IRL matters anyway. We just had a formal introduction and a brushed very little of this topic before I have to leave for RL. We supposed to have another sit together tomorrow, I'll see if I can learn something further about the case and whatever else.

Believe me, this isn't a difficult case.

Believe me, I'll still be the one left with migraine.

[Rating Place]

[...]
@holydarkness, he asked for your help

People have already left too many different reviews about you here, but if you can, try to contact the casino and find out what happened.

[...]

Yeah, already on it. I've made contact with staff on XYes, but we can't talk for long due to timezone difference and I have to handle IRL matters anyway. We just had a formal introduction and a brushed very little of this topic before I have to leave for RL. We supposed to have another sit together tomorrow, I'll see if I can learn something further about the case and whatever else.

Believe me, this isn't a difficult case.

Believe me, I'll still be the one left with migraine.

Great news! If you have a chance ask them about that fake license. All are here https://gamingcontrol.spin-cdn.com/media/license_registry/20250424_250424_online_gaming_register.pdf . GL

[Rating Place]

They took down their fake license. Earlier they took down they have over 800,000 players.

[darwstall]

They took down their fake license. Earlier they took down they have over 800,000 players.

Real work dude. I hope they start blocking scam casinos and people with advertising avatars. These trolls are just making money to hurt the reputation of real players.

[darwstall]

the casino hasnt provided any evidence yet, well raise the thread until the issue is resolved

[Rating Place]

the casino hasnt provided any evidence yet, well raise the thread until the issue is resolved

There is no proof since they don't have the bet slips. Most likely they will add to the things that they've made up.

800,000 users
Fake license
29.5 X followers yet they are only following 5 and there are only approximately 20 verified users.

[holydarkness]

So... I have my talks with their representative that's assigned to me, and we tackled several things. Basically, this thread is divided into two things: OP's main situation of arbing, and a sub-topic of their license, the 2022 GCB thing.

Regarding OP's arbitrage betting activity, I can't say much [as I am bound by for-my-eyes-only basis] other than that I've given a glimpse of what led them to struck the gavel and draw a verdict of arbing. Regarding arbing is a smart strategy or prohibited, I won't dive deep into that discussion right now, because specifically for this case, smart or not, they're irrelevant because they're simply prohibited, as per their ToS that I've captured and sitting in my gallery since few days ago:



With above, unfortunately, like it or not, we have to consider OP as breaching the terms he agreed upon sign up. Thus, the casino is within their right to confiscate the rest of the fund.

Now, about license. They told me that it was indeed an outdated one. However, they're in the middle of acquiring a new one from Anjouan. I believe they'll properly update the page with the Anjouan licensing and their seal once achieved.

[ziportan]

So... I have my talks with their representative that's assigned to me, and we tackled several things. Basically, this thread is divided into two things: OP's main situation of arbing, and a sub-topic of their license, the 2022 GCB thing.

Regarding OP's arbitrage betting activity, I can't say much [as I am bound by for-my-eyes-only basis] other than that I've given a glimpse of what led them to struck the gavel and draw a verdict of arbing. Regarding arbing is a smart strategy or prohibited, I won't dive deep into that discussion right now, because specifically for this case, smart or not, they're irrelevant because they're simply prohibited, as per their ToS that I've captured and sitting in my gallery since few days ago:



With above, unfortunately, like it or not, we have to consider OP as breaching the terms he agreed upon sign up. Thus, the casino is within their right to confiscate the rest of the fund.

Now, about license. They told me that it was indeed an outdated one. However, they're in the middle of acquiring a new one from Anjouan. I believe they'll properly update the page with the Anjouan licensing and their seal once achieved.

But you realize that unless xyes hacked the other bookie that this guy was covering his arb bets at and compare his account activity with xyes' , its impossible to prove shit. So no matter that bs they showed u , that just proves nothing

Hence, you basically say to us, " ok guys i confirm that xyes confiscated his winnings"  and nothing else

[Rating Place]

1. It wasn’t an outdated license. It was a fake license.

2. The rules say “guaranteed profit with no risk” How did the OP guarantee profit?

3. Xyes says this is their outdated license OGL/2022/501/017

Format of licenses in 2022
Curacao eGaming — 1668/JAZ
Antillephone — 8048/JAZ
Gaming Curacao — 365/JAZ
e-Management N.V. — 5536/JAZ

4. This isn't kept in secret since the bets are public. You either have the two arbitraged bets or you don't.

[nutildah]

According to the web archive, it looks like XYES didn't exist before April 2024, and the domain itself was reregistered by the new owner in Dec 2023, so the idea that they were granted a license in 2022 is somewhat bizarre. There is nothing on the internet about their parent company, PaysolutionSa Limited, nor can their license number be found anywhere outside their website (and a few review sites).

While lying about your license isn't exactly confidence inspiring, its not the worst thing that a new crypto casino can do. The worst would be confiscating deposits along with the winnings. In this particular case - applying the same leeway I would give any crypto casino - it seems like they are within their right to void the winnings. However, this is also not a confidence-inspiring maneuver and I wouldn't recommend this casino to anyone as things stand right now.

[Rating Place]

According to the web archive, it looks like XYES didn't exist before April 2024, and the domain itself was reregistered by the new owner in Dec 2023, so the idea that they were granted a license in 2022 is somewhat bizarre. There is nothing on the internet about their parent company, PaysolutionSa Limited, nor can their license number be found anywhere outside their website (and a few review sites).

While lying about your license isn't exactly confidence inspiring, its not the worst thing that a new crypto casino can do. The worst would be confiscating deposits along with the winnings. In this particular case - applying the same leeway I would give any crypto casino - it seems like they are within their right to void the winnings. However, this is also not a confidence-inspiring maneuver and I wouldn't recommend this casino to anyone as things stand right now.

How are they within their rights to void winnings when arbitrage betting didn't occur? Holydarkness has nothing that shows arbitrage betting since arbitrage would need to have proof of guaranteed profit. This is how the case should have gone:

holydarkness - show me one case a arbitrage betting? (All XYes needed are two betslips)
XYes - we have no cases of arbitrage betting.
holydarkness - case closed.

XYes- if you have proof then post the bet slips. The players don’t mind since they already posted them. No one has any secret information that can show arbitrage betting because it doesn’t exist.

[holydarkness]

According to the web archive, it looks like XYES didn't exist before April 2024, and the domain itself was reregistered by the new owner in Dec 2023, so the idea that they were granted a license in 2022 is somewhat bizarre. There is nothing on the internet about their parent company, PaysolutionSa Limited, nor can their license number be found anywhere outside their website (and a few review sites).

While lying about your license isn't exactly confidence inspiring, its not the worst thing that a new crypto casino can do. The worst would be confiscating deposits along with the winnings. In this particular case - applying the same leeway I would give any crypto casino - it seems like they are within their right to void the winnings. However, this is also not a confidence-inspiring maneuver and I wouldn't recommend this casino to anyone as things stand right now.

That's the point I am trying to cover too. I went as far as checking their registry [I made a typo, I was referring to "chamber of commerce, not "e-commerce"], but didn't go to waybackmachine as I did to other cases, as I was promised that they'll come with explanation the next day,



and I was told by their campaign manager that they are pausing their marketing activity on this forum until they have everything sorted out. Their rep will [I think] most likely still be active on this forum, in form of duing their duty to answer questions and all, but campaign is paused until further development Thus, minimizing the risk of misleading people.

I'll try to pursue them to return OP's winning, but I can't guarantee that they'll comply, as their ToS specifically cover this [and the evidence I saw specifically is about arbing], and that the player's total deposit has been returned and no [original] funds were confiscated. Not to mention that the player himself has a questionable trait [see below]

How are they within their rights to void winnings when arbitrage betting didn't occur? Holydarkness has nothing that shows arbitrage betting. This is how the case should have gone:

holydarkness - show me one case a arbitrage betting? (All XYes needed are two betslips)
XYes - we have no cases of arbitrage betting.
holydarkness - case closed.

XYes- if you have proof then post the bet slips. The players don’t mind since they already posted them. No one has any secret information that can show arbitrage betting because it doesn’t exist.

I correctly understand that you're directly saying that I consider case closed just from casino rep's wording and not due to some proof? And in regards to the part of your original [unedited] post that is now removed,  from your many cases of being arbitrator, it never came to you, not in one case, where the proof and detection was given by their sportsbook provider?

The player might not have something that can concretely tie him to arbing here, or maybe the casino had it, but one thing for sure [that I unfortunately can't say as it was asked to be for-my-eyes-only, but hey, I give you a hint] he was flagged. And why do I believe it and take the words and consider them as an enough proof? Flag.

As I say on numerous cases, players can change casinos, but if they're flagged, sooner or later, provider's flag will follow them and zeroing into their accounts on other casinos when their algorithm clicked. That, and OP's behavior hints to it:

[replacing OP's link to talkimg's version for easy view. OP's original link can be found on his original thread]

I made 3 deposits in this casino, the total balance is 600 dollars. I placed sports bets, but as always when withdrawing funds, problems begin with new casinos.

I removed my personal data, left only the ID data. No trolling, all the bad reviews about me were left by negative casino employees that I tell the truth about them. In fact, there are too many scammers here who promote their casinos.


I don't know what to do, they demand a driver's license, my two passports, foreign and domestic, they just call them fake, how do Pakistanis even know if it's fake or not, and they just end the conversation. They just decided not to pay me my money.

I dare myself to assume that OP have tendency to deliberately jump from one small casino [again] to others, in hope that the flag on his profile don't caught with him soon[er] and I'll invite us to focus on the third image on OP's chat that hint to possible trait of extortionist.


OP, darwstallI will be glad to be proven wrong, so do you mind to inform us why you're asked [and refused] to do KYC on that casino? It is certainly not due to random checking, as they asked for such a high level of KYC. Is it because you're flagged?

And, please confirm that you deposited 410 USD and was returned about the same value?

[Rating Place]

He didn’t arb. You have no proof he arbed. I’m saying you should have closed case. All value bettors get flagged. I’ve been flagged at more than 20 and just move to the next. No one arbs for $20. If you think he did what would he profit from betting $20 both sides?

You are posting a ton of irrelevant information about KYC. Show two bet slips showing he made an arbitrage bet. That’s all you need to look at.

You are making a simple case difficult by looking into things that don’t matter.