XYES.COM SCAM ( UPD they returned the winnings)

[holydarkness]

I edited my post. Had 2nd thoughts on discussing but since you asked.

1. Value betting= CLV (closing line Value) not arbitrage.
2. All 5 of your reps were wrong. They said the odds provider makes the final decision.
3. You only got a headache because you were unaware of the meaning of CLV. You should have stopped when they showed no proof of arbitrage.
4. I know what those player analysis sheets are that you are talking about. Once again it said Value or CLV. It didn’t say arbitrage from the provider and you know it.
5. There is no middle ground. XYes made up another story and changed from Value to Arb.

[image snip]

No, it says "arbitrage bet", not CLV, no other thing. Specifically "arbitrage bet".

And here's one more interesting thing: I only glanced at OP's image on the opening post to see his three bets, as [honest to any divine being here] I was too shocked that the casino asked for verbal consent, I thought it's way too excessive. And when my contact showed me the evidence, I was only glancing at it too... well, I read, but I didn't commit it to my memory, as I don't want to deliberately store private information of players I'm "bridging", I'm here just to get to the bottom of cases and resolutions, not being nosy.

Only earlier today when I try to understand where that 20 USD number come from, that I peeked at OP's opening post again and re-read his betting history, and mull over the facts and possible middle-ground. I made that post, inquiring the possibility of arbing due to the uneven wager, and then leave for RL.

Only much later after that "earlier today", very much later after I make that post, that I realized I can confirm myself, so I look into the name of the bet OP provided here and the evidence given to me by my contact, and they matched. So yeah, that bet is what flag him. No need to question whether the bet placed in odd number because OP felt funny or want to round his balance, or just there to be fancy. It's there because or arb. At the very least, that's what perceived by the provider.

To summarize: no CLV, no value betting, no syndicate betting, no bot-betting or whatever-other-betting, specifically "arbitrage bet", and the provider risk team is the one that flag this.


Edit for your edit of your edit:

Example of value betting:
OP makes a bet at odds of 2.25.
Line closes 2.15.
It has 0 to do with arbitrage.

Make a few of these in a row and account gets flagged for value betting.

This one is arbitrage betting, not value betting. The one who value bet is the other case, ziportan. That image you quoted is from his thread.

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this one, darwstall, is arbitrage betting,

https://prnt.sc/22-6fo8ZVnqK

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I believe that 20 USD thingy is also you getting mixed up between the details of ziportan's and darwstall's, and I strongly believe you didn't do that intentionally. They just happen to have same case at the same time and you oversee both cases, and got mixed up. Those things happens. But please give your best to stop getting mixed up again in the future.

[Rating Place]

This is crazy. Provider says Value. XYes says value to first person. Then XYes risk team switches to Arb because they realize value isn’t illegal. It’s not right that you are screwing these players and trying to make it look as though the odds provider flagged for arb. It’s borderline lying on your part.

Edit- it’s not borderline, you’re lying.



"to guarantee profit with no risk"

[holydarkness]

This is crazy. Provider says Value. XYes says value to first person. Then XYes risk team switches to Arb because they realize value isn’t illegal. It’s not right that you are screwing these players and trying to make it look as though the odds provider flagged for arb. It’s borderline lying on your part.

Edit- it’s not borderline, you’re lying. CLV doesn’t guarantee profit.

You might want to revise and perhaps retract that accusation of me lying after you read my edit for your edit-of-your-edit above. It should give you some clarification and grip of what happens here and and what happens there.

Edit for your edit [again]: ...... uhh... read.

[Rating Place]

This is crazy. Provider says Value. XYes says value to first person. Then XYes risk team switches to Arb because they realize value isn’t illegal. It’s not right that you are screwing these players and trying to make it look as though the odds provider flagged for arb. It’s borderline lying on your part.

Edit- it’s not borderline, you’re lying. CLV doesn’t guarantee profit.

You might want to revise and perhaps retract that accusation of me lying after you read my edit for your edit-of-your-edit above. It should give you some clarification and grip of what happens here and and what happens there.

Edit for your edit [again]: ...... uhh... read.

You are lying. This rule doesn't exist. A lot of those don't guarantee a profit.

To summarize: no CLV, no value betting, no syndicate betting, no bot-betting or whatever-other-betting, specifically "arbitrage bet", and the provider risk team is the one that flag this.

No one steals for CLV. Every person that gets limited is for CLV or ROI.

[Flexie80]

The other player had the small bets. You are right that the strange numbers are a sign of automated arbitrage. That’s speculation. The other thing is no other book would confiscate money under the same circumstances. This is text book sharp action where the odds provider automatically limits and makes the book aware. As I’ve said, XYes has two bets playing both sides or they don’t. If they don’t then the player should be paid in full.

Strange numbers have nothing to do with arbitrage. It is just clicking the max button and then betting whatever is shown there.
In fact it's more a sign of NOT arbitrage betting because anyone doing arbitrage would be smart enough to not bet the full max.

[Rating Place]

@flexie80 good points.

[God Of Thunder]

You might want to revise and perhaps retract that accusation of me lying after you read my edit for your edit-of-your-edit above. It should give you some clarification and grip of what happens here and and what happens there.

Edit for your edit [again]: ...... uhh... read.

hey holydarkness!

I remember you told me that you do not want to get involved in this case, but I requested to do it because that is what you have been doing for a year, and people on this forum believe your words. But I think this is enough. You are now feeding the troll who mixed up the cases and trolling you around, and are accusing you of being a liar. I appreciate that you tried to see the case. I would ask the company if they are okay sharing the documents with the reputed forum members who are interested to learn about this case. There is no need to feed these trolls.

Feedback left by notblox1 says everything.

notblox1

2024-05-24

Reference

Trust Abuser who publicly admitted that he doesnt know how to use Trust System. After 10 years spent in this forum he didnt learn anything. He constantly attacks me and casinos who dont want to work with him

I believe there is a reason why he is doing all this. Xyes informed me that he sent several private messages to them, but they did not respond to him. So I believe what notblox1 said,

He constantly attacks me and casinos who dont want to work with him

Xyes did not reply to him, and he is now after them. Also, do not forget about the feedback left by TwitchySeal

[Flexie80]

The thing is XYes lied to Holydarkness about not updating their license since they didn't have one. There's no reason to contact them because they don't tell the truth.

the thing is , holydarkness is prone to believe anything that the casinos say -although they are OBVIOUS lies- than the players claims which are supported by actual evidences..

op asked him for help,  and now hes talking about the betting amounts, why he was kyc`d so early, hes jumping from one casino to another.. NONE of these are the fucking issue here.

1. WHERES THE FUCKING EVIDENCE?

2. WHAT THE FUCK ARE CASINO REPS HERE FOR IF THEY NEVER REPLY TO YOUR CLAIMS ON THEIR THREADS OR SCAM ACCUSATIONS AND THEY ARE ONLY DOING BACKDOOR HUSH HUSH TALKS WITH `TRUSTED MEMBERS` WHICH WE HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE OF WHY THE FUCK THEY ARE `TRUSTED` COS TO ME ALL OF THEM ARE EQUALLY FISHY




theres a reason i didnt ask any help of him and now i see that i was right. would be an extra session of being accused like i didnt have enough

holydarkness, he does make a good point. You have to stop believing everything the casino and casino reps tell you.

Getting flagged doesn’t mean arbitrage. The OP got flagged for CLV (closing line VALUE )

Exactly. Getting flagged is normal, and getting limited too. The difference between scam books and good books is then confiscating the winnings, which the good books (for example 500casino, Crashino, Razed etc.) do not do.

[Rating Place]

You might want to revise and perhaps retract that accusation of me lying after you read my edit for your edit-of-your-edit above. It should give you some clarification and grip of what happens here and and what happens there.

Edit for your edit [again]: ...... uhh... read.

hey holydarkness!

I remember you told me that you do not want to get involved in this case, but I requested to do it because that is what you have been doing for a year, and people on this forum believe your words. But I think this is enough. You are now feeding the troll who mixed up the cases and trolling you around, and are accusing you of being a liar. I appreciate that you tried to see the case. I would ask the company if they are okay sharing the documents with the reputed forum members who are interested to learn about this case. There is no need to feed these trolls.

Feedback left by notblox1 says everything.

notblox1

2024-05-24

Reference

Trust Abuser who publicly admitted that he doesnt know how to use Trust System. After 10 years spent in this forum he didnt learn anything. He constantly attacks me and casinos who dont want to work with him

I believe there is a reason why he is doing all this. Xyes informed me that he sent several private messages to them, but they did not respond to him. So I believe what notblox1 said,

He constantly attacks me and casinos who dont want to work with him

Xyes did not reply to him, and he is now after them. Also, do not forget about the feedback left by TwitchySeal

lol. I gave Notblox red trust and he sent one back. Only Sportsbet guys send bad feedback for rating Sportsbet a C. Twitchy Seal and notblox. Here's my untrusted and what I wrote.

[Flexie80]

@holydarkness

If you are so much defending the books for consicating for value betting, do you even realize that 99% of the bets that are being placed are pure value bets for the sportsbook itself? They offer odds with a margin as we all know. For example instead of 2,00/2,00 they offer 1,85/1,85 meaning they take 15% value bets on each stake on average.
Why is it that only the books are allowed to have some value bets? They make so much profit from those 99% of their customers and then they cannot stand to lose a small bit to that other 1%? That is so childish and greedy. You are so much on the sportsbooks side, it's quite rediculous.

[Rating Place]

@holydarkness

If you are so much defending the books for consicating for value betting, do you even realize that 99% of the bets that are being placed are pure value bets for the sportsbook itself? They off odds with a margin as we all know. For example instead of 2,00/2,00 they offer 1,85/1,85 meaning they take 15% value bets on each stake on average.
Why is it that only the books are allowed to have some value bets? They make so much profit from those 99% of their customers and then they cannot stand to lose a small bit to that other 1%? That is so childish and greedy. You are so much on the sportsbooks side, it's quite rediculous.

It's beyond crazy. Every bet I make I try to value bet. I can send a list of books that I'm limited at. There is no rule against value betting.

[holydarkness]

You might want to revise and perhaps retract that accusation of me lying after you read my edit for your edit-of-your-edit above. It should give you some clarification and grip of what happens here and and what happens there.

Edit for your edit [again]: ...... uhh... read.

You are lying. This rule doesn't exist. A lot of those don't guarantee a profit.

To summarize: no CLV, no value betting, no syndicate betting, no bot-betting or whatever-other-betting, specifically "arbitrage bet", and the provider risk team is the one that flag this.

No one steals for CLV. Every person that gets limited is for CLV or ROI.

Take a deep breath, walk away for ten minutes, and return to the forum. You're clouded.

You mixed details of two cases. This one is arbitrage betting. Always is. Even the reply by XYes rep state arbitrage. Not value bet. The other one is value betting. If CLV happen, it's probably for the other case.

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Exactly. Getting flagged is normal, and getting limited too. The difference between scam books and good books is then confiscating the winnings, which the good books (for example 500casino, Crashino, Razed etc.) do not do.

And that's... actually what I'm trying to do, to get them to pay the difference, at least part of it, namely the one that he won legitimately. Well... was trying to do. No longer interested in this case.

@holydarkness

If you are so much defending the books for consicating for value betting, do you even realize that 99% of the bets that are being placed are pure value bets for the sportsbook itself? They off odds with a margin as we all know. For example instead of 2,00/2,00 they offer 1,85/1,85 meaning they take 15% value bets on each stake on average.
Why is it that only the books are allowed to have some value bets? They make so much profit from those 99% of their customers and then they cannot stand to lose a small bit to that other 1%? That is so childish and greedy. You are so much on the sportsbooks side, it's quite rediculous.

Again, this case is ARBITRAGE betting. I don't know how to stress this enough. if people want to talk about value betting and all that entails, go here. That is the one with value bet accusation.

And no, I am not trying to defend the book [though at this point, my words kinda as good as speaking to a rock] I even mulled over for a middle ground for both sides, despite the proof of ToS violation, then they crucify me, again. Just like the exact previous case, that became the reason I refused to "bridge" this case on the first place.

You might want to revise and perhaps retract that accusation of me lying after you read my edit for your edit-of-your-edit above. It should give you some clarification and grip of what happens here and and what happens there.

Edit for your edit [again]: ...... uhh... read.

hey holydarkness!

I remember you told me that you do not want to get involved in this case, but I requested to do it because that is what you have been doing for a year, and people on this forum believe your words. But I think this is enough. You are now feeding the troll who mixed up the cases and trolling you around, and are accusing you of being a liar. I appreciate that you tried to see the case. I would ask the company if they are okay sharing the documents with the reputed forum members who are interested to learn about this case. There is no need to feed these trolls.

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Oh, I've removed myself from this case, right after my effort to give OP a better situation returned with stones to my head. Not just by OP and someone who seemingly think I didn't "bridge" his case is the end of the world for me, but also by someone who encourage me by saying it won't be a headache.

So, I've dropped it. What I am doing now is trying to explain to him what happened. That he got mixed up. And the flag did come from the provider. As always, as how it come with other casinos.

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But uhh... yeah, that all will be no longer necessary and matter to me.
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[Rating Place]

My PMs to Xyes since God of Thunder mentioned it.

Is there anything that you would like to add or have proof of the arbitrage bettors? I don't want to be unfair to you with your rating.

..........I mixed you up with God of Thunder who is bullying the two players. You have been professional in replies even though I disagree.

[Flexie80]

There simply is no proof of arbitrage betting. There might be proof of value betting, but that's it.

[Rating Place]

Holydarkness - you continue to try and deceive people. Flags always come from the provider unless independent and they come for CLV and ROI, not arbitrage. They happen a lot. The provider did not flag for arbitrage. Every winner has been flagged. Every person has been profiled.

[holydarkness]

Holydarkness - you continue to try and deceive people. Flags always come from the provider and they come for CLV and ROI, not arbitrage. They happen a lot. The provider did not flag for arbitrage.

First thing first, has your breath calmed down and your BPM lowered and you can think straight and is now aware that you mixed the details of the two cases? This one is arbing, the other one is value bet. Yeah?

That said, yes, the provider flag for arbitrage. That's what I said, as per what my eyes see, the evidence that the casino gave to me that lead them to take the action, because the provider flag the player.

[Rating Place]

Holydarkness - you continue to try and deceive people. Flags always come from the provider and they come for CLV and ROI, not arbitrage. They happen a lot. The provider did not flag for arbitrage.

First thing first, has your breath calmed down and your BPM lowered and you can think straight and is now aware that you mixed the details of the two cases? This one is arbing, the other one is value bet. Yeah?

That said, yes, the provider flag for arbitrage. That's what I said, as per what my eyes see, the evidence that the casino gave to me that lead them to take the action, because the provider flag the player.

You're lying again. Arbitrage didn't come from provider. Impossible for them to know. Just be honest. The provider didn't flag for arbitrage. You posted fake rules.

[holydarkness]

First thing first, has your breath calmed down and your BPM lowered and you can think straight and is now aware that you mixed the details of the two cases? This one is arbing, the other one is value bet. Yeah?

That said, yes, the provider flag for arbitrage. That's what I said, as per what my eyes see, the evidence that the casino gave to me that lead them to take the action, because the provider flag the player.

You're lying again. It didn't come from provider. Impossible for them to know.

From the top of my head, I gave you three chances to back down and to calm down and to digest the situation. I offered you to read and if perhaps you want to revise and retract your statement about me lying. I've gave enough chances to deescalate the matter. Yet you insist with me lying. So, let's escalate it. Let's put money where your logic and mouth and knowledges are.

Escrow 1 million USD... no, 1 point 56 million USD [yes, the 56 is the pun intended for the odds of the wager in this case], one million five hundred and sixty thousand USD, 1,560,000 USD to an escrow, then select a DT. I'll break my vow of silence to XYes and show the proof that was intended to be for my eyes only, that the instruction and the flag come from the provider [well, basically I am not violating their trust, as GoT is planning to ask for other reputable member anyway].

Give your words and we can settle it for good. Or... take my words that I said what I saw. And I'm an honest man. And fair.


Edit for your edit, again:

[...] Just be honest. The provider didn't flag for arbitrage. You posted fake rules.

I posted... what now?

[Rating Place]

First thing first, has your breath calmed down and your BPM lowered and you can think straight and is now aware that you mixed the details of the two cases? This one is arbing, the other one is value bet. Yeah?

That said, yes, the provider flag for arbitrage. That's what I said, as per what my eyes see, the evidence that the casino gave to me that lead them to take the action, because the provider flag the player.

You're lying again. It didn't come from provider. Impossible for them to know.

From the top of my head, I gave you three chances to back down and to calm down and to digest the situation. I offered you to read and if perhaps you want to revise and retract your statement about me lying. I've gave enough chances to deescalate the matter. Yet you insist with me lying. So, let's escalate it. Let's put money where your logic and mouth and knowledges are.

Escrow 1 million USD... no, 1 point 56 million USD [yes, the 56 is the pun intended for the odds of the wager in this case], one million five hundred and sixty thousand USD, 1,560,000 USD to an escrow, then select a DT. I'll break my vow of silence to XYes and show the proof that was intended to be for my eyes only, that the instruction and the flag come from the provider [well, basically I am not violating their trust, as GoT is planning to ask for other reputable member anyway].

Give your words and we can settle it for good. Or... take my words that I said what I saw. And I'm an honest man. And fair.

The flag always comes from provider and it's either for CLV, ROI or bonus abuse. You said the provider flagged for arbitrage. Did the provider flag for arbitrage? Are the rules you posted for CLV fake rules?

o summarize: no CLV, no value betting, no syndicate betting, no bot-betting or whatever-other-betting, specifically "arbitrage bet", and the provider risk team is the one that flag this.

[ziportan]

Holydarkness - you continue to try and deceive people. Flags always come from the provider and they come for CLV and ROI, not arbitrage. They happen a lot. The provider did not flag for arbitrage.

First thing first, has your breath calmed down and your BPM lowered and you can think straight and is now aware that you mixed the details of the two cases? This one is arbing, the other one is value bet. Yeah?

That said, yes, the provider flag for arbitrage. That's what I said, as per what my eyes see, the evidence that the casino gave to me that lead them to take the action, because the provider flag the player.

You keep saying that but you are the one that keeps confusing. You keep letting casinos or the casino reps here confuse you all the time. My case also was turned to arb betting by the rep, after he realized that value betting doesn't cause any winnings confiscation by any means.

Hello again!

Here is our official response regarding the case:

📢Official Notice Regarding Account Termination Due to Arbitrage Activity

After a thorough internal investigation, account 79335696, 17711119 have  been identified by our risk control team as engaging in arbitrage betting, which is a clear violation of our platform's fair play policies.
✅Customer's original deposit will be fully refunded.
❌All profits generated through arbitrage tactics will be forfeited, and the account is now permanently suspended.

To ensure transparency and platform integrity, we would like to emphasize:
All related account data and investigative findings will only be shared with Bitcointalk administrators or moderators upon request.
If you are a Bitcointalk moderator and require further details, please DM our official account directly.
We remain committed to maintaining a fair and secure gaming environment for all users.

XYES.Com

Thank you.

And yr lovely mate eho works for the casino also flagged me of arb betting with no proof


User   Date   Reference   Comments
God Of Thunder   2025-06-07      Casino abusers. They do arbitrage betting and later accuse the casino of scamming.
God Of Thunder   2025-06-02      He is spreading FUD against casino because they asked for the KYC even though he accepted the TOS before signup


Lol funny thing is even when hes accusing me falsely, he keeps saying " abusers.. they"" template messages for everyone


So no need to keep this going since we all know already  that ur  no good.. cheers