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September 24, 2025, 02:58:25 PM
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So it's best to take the time to build up an emergency fund and gradually enter the Bitcoin market with the extra money.
A new investor does not need to wait and build his emergency funds of at least three months of your expenses before he can start his bitcoin investment with his discretionary income. That will be a misplaced priority and a waste of time because you will miss out the opportunity that you should have used in building up bitcoin portfolio to a certain level while you were waiting.

Waiting is never a strategy and as a brand new investor or a low coiner you should avoid any practice that will keep you waiting when you can buy bitcoin right away with your discretionary income. It's good to start your bitcoin investment immediately, and leave the no coiner zone early rather than waiting in the ball park.

If you have your discretionary income ready, you can share it into two parts. Use one part to invest in bitcoin through DCA and buy every week, while you use the other part to start building your emergency funds along side with your bitcoin investment till it reaches three months of your monthly expenses. Building your bitcoin investment simultaneously with your emergency funds is the best for anyone who wants to start his bitcoin investment without any availability of emergency funds.

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September 24, 2025, 03:32:21 PM
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We must be very aware in financial management, no matter how much we earn, we need to balance spending, saving and investing intelligently from within, people can consistently maintain an investment with any amount of money they want, many people think that only high-income people can invest in Bitcoin, those who think like this are definitely stuck in the wrong mindset, Bitcoin investment is for everyone, whatever your income, whatever amount you have, just keep depositing it consistently, then it will continue to grow over time, there is no need to invest a large amount of money at once for Bitcoin investment, rather consistency is the most effective strategy here.

Continue to buy consistently and create an emergency fund to protect your investment, be sure to prepare the necessary things, try to strengthen your income, and continue to deposit consistently, completely ignoring the volatility of Bitcoin, then it can bring very good results in the long run.
The biggest mistake people make is believing that investing in Bitcoin is reserved for those with big money, when in reality it is the opposite. Bitcoin was designed so that anyone, no matter their income level, can participate and build wealth gradually. What really matters is consistency and discipline, not the size of each purchase. Even small, regular deposits over time can turn into something meaningful when combined with Bitcoin’s long term growth.

If anything, the smarter path is to focus on balance. Spending wisely, saving for emergencies, and using discretionary income to stack Bitcoin creates a safety net that protects the investment from being sold in difficult times. Ignoring short term volatility and staying consistent ensures that the habit of accumulation becomes stronger than emotions. Over time, that combination of discipline and patience is what separates successful long term investors from those who give up too early.
This mindset of BTC is only for the rich have denied so many the chances to try out the possibility behind Bitcoin to talk of being consistent as required by every other business. One of the joy is having the chance to invest in a big name as Bitcoin!! With even little amount of money, much interesting being aware or inform of DCA, unlike other investment opportunities that are crystal clear for only the rich.
Investing as little as one can afford into Bitcoin is more reason to avoid short-term volatility by being patient enough because this will somehow help in balancing financial security while accumulation is on a gradual go as consistent as possible.
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September 24, 2025, 03:38:37 PM
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You can use discretionary income to accumulate Bitcoin and floating cash to invest during bearish periods.

Floating cash is not meant to buy bitcoin during the dip. If you have a reserve funds available, that is what you use to buy bitcoin when the price dips while you keep your DCA ongoing.

Float is the money kept aside for unexpected expenses during the week that you didn't budget for and not to accumulate bitcoin during the bearish period. Your discretionary income is that you are to continue using to accumulate bitcoin during the bear and in the bull market for 4-10 years and above.

Although investment and accumulation are used in the same sense, there is a slight difference between them
Whether you have bitcoin of $   100 or $10000 they are all called investment. Investment is an asset or anything that you put your money into that generates profits overtime. When you are accumulating bitcoin, you are increasing your investment size.
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September 24, 2025, 04:28:19 PM
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Then the natural rule of So it's best to take the time to build up an emergency fund and gradually enter the Bitcoin market with the extra money.
This is wrong, it's not a must to keep delaying your accumulation of Bitcoin because you're busy trying to build out your emergency fund which you can build alongside your accumulating Bitcoin. As soon as you're sure of having discretionary income you can start investing into Bitcoin with some parts of it, maybe like 50% of your discretionary income and spread out the second part to building your emergency fund and other variances of backup funds and/or floating cash. The quantity of discretionary income you allocate to buying Bitcoin and building backup funds is at the discretion of the investor.

You can continue investing into Bitcoin and building your backup funds continuously alongside it until your emergency fund can service at least 3 months worth of your expenses and then you can choose to divert the funds used in building your emergency fund into increasing your aggressiveness investing into Bitcoin. Building your emergency funds should not be an excuse for you to delay kick-starting your investment into Bitcoin.

 
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September 24, 2025, 07:22:51 PM
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This is why the DCA strategy for Bitcoin accumulation is very simple and effective for long term. The term accumulation refers to a small amount that gradually increases in size when we consider it as an investment and an investor with a small income can build a large investment stack of Bitcoin by accumulating a small amount of Bitcoin.

DCA is a smart investment plan, by following this process consistently, it is possible to build a large investment stack in the long term by gradually accumulating small amounts of Bitcoin. By following the DCA process, a person can easily accumulate Bitcoin, for which there is no need to invest a large amount of money at once, thus there is no additional stress on the investor. A person gets the opportunity to invest the small amount of money remaining after fulfilling his basic needs, which cannot be done in the case of any other valuable asset. By investing our valuable money in the right place, it is possible to avoid inflation in the future.

DCA is a strategy that keeps investors free from psychological pressure and is the most effective way to accumulate wealth in the long term. It is very natural that many people hesitate to invest large sums of money at once, get scared due to market fluctuations, and overall they cannot maintain their investments effectively, but in DCA, you have to invest small amounts gradually, and only invest the amount of money that you can afford to lose, then you will never hesitate or face financial problems due to market volatility, because he is only investing with what he can lose, so he can easily maintain it for the long term. By proceeding in this way in a planned manner, your investment portfolio will continue to grow stronger and stronger, and if you can maintain this process for the next 2 cycles, it can give you something more big, that you may never have expected.
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September 24, 2025, 08:36:43 PM
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We must be very aware in financial management, no matter how much we earn, we need to balance spending, saving and investing intelligently from within, people can consistently maintain an investment with any amount of money they want, many people think that only high-income people can invest in Bitcoin, those who think like this are definitely stuck in the wrong mindset, Bitcoin investment is for everyone, whatever your income, whatever amount you have, just keep depositing it consistently, then it will continue to grow over time, there is no need to invest a large amount of money at once for Bitcoin investment, rather consistency is the most effective strategy here.

Continue to buy consistently and create an emergency fund to protect your investment, be sure to prepare the necessary things, try to strengthen your income, and continue to deposit consistently, completely ignoring the volatility of Bitcoin, then it can bring very good results in the long run.
The biggest mistake people make is believing that investing in Bitcoin is reserved for those with big money, when in reality it is the opposite. Bitcoin was designed so that anyone, no matter their income level, can participate and build wealth gradually. What really matters is consistency and discipline, not the size of each purchase. Even small, regular deposits over time can turn into something meaningful when combined with Bitcoin’s long term growth.

If anything, the smarter path is to focus on balance. Spending wisely, saving for emergencies, and using discretionary income to stack Bitcoin creates a safety net that protects the investment from being sold in difficult times. Ignoring short term volatility and staying consistent ensures that the habit of accumulation becomes stronger than emotions. Over time, that combination of discipline and patience is what separates successful long term investors from those who give up too early.
This mindset of BTC is only for the rich have denied so many the chances to try out the possibility behind Bitcoin to talk of being consistent as required by every other business. One of the joy is having the chance to invest in a big name as Bitcoin!! With even little amount of money, much interesting being aware or inform of DCA, unlike other investment opportunities that are crystal clear for only the rich.
Investing as little as one can afford into Bitcoin is more reason to avoid short-term volatility by being patient enough because this will somehow help in balancing financial security while accumulation is on a gradual go as consistent as possible.

It is lack of basic knowledge of bitcoin that makes some people to think that bitcoin is very expensive. Those that have a basic knowledge of what bitcoin is will never conceive such a mindset. Bitcoin can be accumulated in fractions this characteristics makes it easier for low income earner to be able to accumulate bitcoin making it possible for everyone to be able to venture into bitcoin accumulation
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September 24, 2025, 08:59:06 PM
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Most people agree that borrowing to buy volatile assets like Bitcoin is risky. What I will add is that first, investing with debt is like buying a lottery ticket. You have to win it before you can repay the loan.

You are not completely correct.

You can borrow money in order to be able to front load an investment with income that you have not yet earned and/or received.

Then the natural rule of holding Bitcoin for the long term does not hold. Your mind is unstable, when will the price of Bitcoin increase and when can it be sold. Sometimes the lender will pressure you so much that you cannot hold it for the desired period of time. This damages your financial condition as well as your mental health.

Hopefully before you carry out a loan, you understand the terms of your loan and that the terms are acceptable.

Secondly, Bitcoin is compared to gold as a store of value. Which is what almost everyone compares. But have you ever seen someone buying gold with debt?

There likely have been people using debt to buy gold, especially if they believe that they are in a period in which gold prices are about to go up, yet, sure, it may well make less sense to borrow money to invest in gold since gold is largely a mature asset class that may not have as much chance of upside. 

Actually, no one does that. It seems completely unreasonable. If we consider it unreasonable to buy a stable asset like gold with debt, then taking a loan to buy a volatile asset like Bitcoin seems even more unreasonable to me. What do you think?

You are arguing nonsense, even though sure it might not be a good idea to take out loans to buy bitcoin, yet you surely have not argued any kind of a convincing point of view.


That's why my personal opinion would be that Bitcoin is a technological opportunity that will create opportunities for many generations. So it's best to take the time to build up an emergency fund and gradually enter the Bitcoin market with the extra money.

This part is true.  Bitcoin remains one of the best, if not the best, of investments that is widely available to everyone and anyone, so long as they have discretionary funds, and there could be ways to screw up an otherwise great (and likely winner) investment by being too greedy.

.............If you invest and keep staring at the chart every hour, it will drain you and might even push you to sell too early. The people who win big with Bitcoin are usually the ones who manage both their money and their emotions..

Frequently, I consider that if any of us put our finances in a good place, then our psychology will become stronger from having had put our finances in good order.

In regards to bitcoin, we can attempt to prepare ourselves financially and psychologically for the BTC price to move in either direction, and if our finances are set up solidly (whether it is merely buying BTC every week no matter the price), then we are less likely to be bothered when the price moves in a direction that is opposite to our preferences.

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You’re correct, and I’m glad you did breakdown this to my understanding, mostly I have been struggling with my expenses and how to manage my expenses have been a hugely difficult stressful and challenging situation, it’s very important for an investor that have that mindset of buying and accumulating bitcoin for a very long term should be able to identify his basic needs, because basic needs are something that we can’t do without, now let me consider that I have to pay for my expenses of basic needs which paying for my rents is a basic expense and probably I have to pay a certain amount of money for that in a monthly basis, and even if I have to pay yearly I will have to save some money little by little for it, and also I will have to pay for my food, because for sure I will have to eat to have energy to survive and hustle for more money, and considering if I have a family I will also have to put them into consideration of groceries and food stuffs available, and also paying for utilities and also paying for gas, which falls into the category of my transportation and very important my phone bills and internet, which are all essential and basic needs.

When you decide to invest into something like bitcoin, it becomes more important to attempt to practice organizing your expenses and categorizing them, since sometimes you might not realize when you have opportunities to save money and/or maybe to get better quality products. 

Let's say that you had been shopping at a local supermarket for various food items, yet you found out that a local farmer had basket deals that would constitute more than a month of various products that were better quality and maybe even better quantity for your family, yet you worked out a deal with another family that you would share in the package deals, and you would buy them every couple of weeks and that way the food is more fresh but your splitting the cost with the other family resulted in your being able to get much better food...

or maybe you found out from a co-worker that he was willing to drive, so it ended up being a few guys sharing the cost of transportation, which causes your work-related transportation costs to go down by 70%

or maybe you found out that your employer had a side project that would cause you to have to work around 15 hours extra each week, so you would receive more pay, but at the same time, if you involve yourself in the side project, you have opportunties to receive a promotion.

Maybe before you got into bitcoin, you would have had considered that it was not worth it to try to cut your expenses and/or to improve your income, yet once you started investing in bitcoin, you started to consider that any of your extra value that you were able to generate through increased income or decreased expenses was going to likely end up either flowing into bitcoin or to buttress up your back up funds so that you felt that you had enough extra money to cover you in the event that there might be some times that your expenses go up and/or your income goes down.

However I think after figuring out our basic essential needs I think we can now fully comprehend and understand how much we are supposed to be left with our discretionary income, well sometimes it’s mostly possible that we would end up not having enough discretionary income because of the amount of basic needs that we have available, and we can also try to figure out our financial situation and apply some financial management, more like if we have some expenses that we think that isn’t necessarily necessary then we can decide to adjust with them,

There could be some situations in which you find out that you could completely cut some of your expenses or buy a different brand product or maybe finding out that one of your relatives was willing to give away some clothes that your  kid could use, rather than your having to buy those kinds of clothes.

Or maybe you realize that instead of going out to eat three times a month, you could go out twice a month. 

Sometimes cutting can be difficult, and sometimes it can be difficult to figure out ways to generate extra income.  I know that when i was younger, I purposefully rented a place that was much larger than what I needed in order that I could rent out one of the bedrooms, and so that really worked out well for me over the years to be able to save money like that, even though there was some inconveniences that came with sharing, yet I likely had much better lodging (a larger place that I chose), and overall cheaper rent so that I could use the saved money to invest.  With the rental situation, there were some times in which I had a vacancy, so then during those times, I was paying more until I was able to find a suitable replacement... yet overall I was able to save a lot of money through the years with that way of dealing with my lodging - which was the most expensive item in my then monthly budget.

And also try to apply some strategies of how to create some different cashflow or probably increase our cashflow but working on other little details, it is true that we wouldn’t be able to choose the amount of discretionary income that we would have available, because of the amount of our expenses which we can’t probably avoid paying for them, because I think there are things that we can afford to avoid and there are also things that we wouldn’t neglect, so since discretionary income are just income left over after paying for our basic expenses then we can always decide to invest or whatever we fill comfortable that is why we can always try investing in bitcoin with our discretion income.

The more we practice and we are interactive with our finances, then we are likely able to identify opportunities to buy bitcoin, and so maybe in the past whenever we would get a bonus at work (like $500), we would immediately think about what we could buy or how we could spend it, yet once we have bitcoin as an option, even if we might not put the whole $500 bonus into bitcoin, we might consider ways to at least put some of that bonus money into bitcoin, where in the in the past we would not have had considered investing the money rather than just spending it right away.

Float is the money kept aside for unexpected expenses during the week that you didn't budget for and not to accumulate bitcoin during the bearish period.

I like to consider the float money as money that you have received but are not yet able to determine if you are going to need it for expenses or if you can plug it into your discretionary funds.

Let's say for example you have difficulties determining your utilities since the company is inconsistent with the way it charges.  There are some months where they only bill you $20, yet there have been other months where they bill you up to $200, so each month when you get paid, you keep the full $200 in your bank account, and you wait until the utility company sends the bill.  Once the amount is resolved, then you can put whatever had been extra into your discretionary funds.

You could also use the concept of float to carry over to the next month, since maybe you had some construction and/or maintenance work done on your house (and your property), and the various contractors had told you that it would cost anywhere between $200 and $900 each month for 3 months, depending on parts and also depending on how the contractors are billed for the various supplies or how many workers they have, and your contractor prefers to get paid within a week of his giving you the bill.  You agreed to the contract and to the work since you believe that the contractors do good work, even though each month is uncertain regarding how much the bill is going to be for that month, and so maybe you might carry some of that money over to the next month yet once all of the billing is resolved, then whatever money is left over, then you will be able to put the extra into your discretionary funds.   Once the money is in your discretionary funds it can be used to consume, save or invest.

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September 25, 2025, 04:17:16 AM
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This is why the DCA strategy for Bitcoin accumulation is very simple and effective for long term. The term accumulation refers to a small amount that gradually increases in size when we consider it as an investment and an investor with a small income can build a large investment stack of Bitcoin by accumulating a small amount of Bitcoin.

DCA is a smart investment plan, by following this process consistently, it is possible to build a large investment stack in the long term by gradually accumulating small amounts of Bitcoin. By following the DCA process, a person can easily accumulate Bitcoin, for which there is no need to invest a large amount of money at once, thus there is no additional stress on the investor. A person gets the opportunity to invest the small amount of money remaining after fulfilling his basic needs, which cannot be done in the case of any other valuable asset. By investing our valuable money in the right place, it is possible to avoid inflation in the future.

The main reason behind the dca method being the best is that it keeps any investor away from volatility mentally. Because it is very important to be mentally calm in any investment, not just Bitcoin. Many people start buying or selling in the FOMO and FUD  when Bitcoin starts to decrease or increase. Due to the instability of these two factors, they become mentally unstable and make wrong decisions. Such wrong decisions are less likely if you invest by following dca. By investing in the dca method, you can invest equally in both periods when the price of Bitcoin is low or high, as a result, you can buy Bitcoin at all prices. There is less mental pressure if you invest in the dca method with discretionary income. That is why investing in the dca method is the safest.
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September 25, 2025, 06:26:17 AM
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So it's best to take the time to build up an emergency fund and gradually enter the Bitcoin market with the extra money.
A new investor does not need to wait and build his emergency funds of at least three months of your expenses before he can start his bitcoin investment with his discretionary income. That will be a misplaced priority and a waste of time because you will miss out the opportunity that you should have used in building up bitcoin portfolio to a certain level while you were waiting.

Waiting is never a strategy and as a brand new investor or a low coiner you should avoid any practice that will keep you waiting when you can buy bitcoin right away with your discretionary income. It's good to start your bitcoin investment immediately, and leave the no coiner zone early rather than waiting in the ball park.

If you have your discretionary income ready, you can share it into two parts. Use one part to invest in bitcoin through DCA and buy every week, while you use the other part to start building your emergency funds along side with your bitcoin investment till it reaches three months of your monthly expenses. Building your bitcoin investment simultaneously with your emergency funds is the best for anyone who wants to start his bitcoin investment without any availability of emergency funds.

I agree with your analysis. Waiting is not always the right strategy as a new investor. You mentioned that it is really important to get out of the no-coin zone very quickly. But this may not be acceptable for everyone. Because everyone's earning capacity is different. Again, everyone's needs are different. Those who basically spend 80 percent of their income on basic family expenses. If they start investing without creating an emergency fund and suddenly their expenses increase and they fall into a financial crisis or disaster, they will not be able to maintain their investment. This will not maintain the long-term normal rules of Bitcoin. If they cannot maintain their investment until their desired time, they will suffer more financially and mentally. And Bitcoin investment rewards those who can maintain their investment for the long term.

Bitcoin investment does not mean that you should immediately abandon everything and focus only on investment and take a share of the profits very quickly. Rather, I think that knowing the right strategy or making the right decision to maintain that investment for the long term is the most important thing.
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September 25, 2025, 06:34:05 AM
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So it's best to take the time to build up an emergency fund and gradually enter the Bitcoin market with the extra money.
As a newbie and a no coin, it's not good for you to take time to build up your emergency fund first before you start accumulating Bitcoin because by the time you will be busy building your emergency fund, you should have also been busy accumulating Bitcon with the DCA strategy so that you will have an existing Bitcoin investment that you are building up your emergency fund for rather than building up your emergency fund when you haven't yet started accumulating Bitcoin, which makes no sense to me because you can build up your emergency fund and end up not investing in Bitcoin. Instead of using all your discretionary income to build up your emergency fund when you haven't kick started your Bitcoin investment, why don't you start accumulating Bitcoin and build up your emergency fund together? And when your have built up your emergency fund up to 3 months, you can put building up your emergency fund on hold and focus on accumulating Bitcoin with your discretionary income. This will be helpful to you in starting you Bitcoin investment.

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September 25, 2025, 06:55:15 AM
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You can use discretionary income to accumulate Bitcoin and floating cash to invest during bearish periods.

Floating cash is not meant to buy bitcoin during the dip. If you have a reserve funds available, that is what you use to buy bitcoin when the price dips while you keep your DCA ongoing.

Float is the money kept aside for unexpected expenses during the week that you didn't budget for and not to accumulate bitcoin during the bearish period. Your discretionary income is that you are to continue using to accumulate bitcoin during the bear and in the bull market for 4-10 years and above.

I consider floating cash and reserve funds to be the same even though they are given different names. It should be logical to hold Bitcoin as a lump sum rather than holding excess reserves/floating. The size of this fund should be above your financial stability, such as for large purchases during bearish periods.

Some Investors get confused about emergency funds/floating cash/and reserve funds, but I think that each fund should be balanced for long-term Bitcoin holdings. The main point is that your fiat is constantly losing value due to inflation, so it is better to convert more into Bitcoin.


Although investment and accumulation are used in the same sense, there is a slight difference between them
Whether you have bitcoin of $   100 or $10000 they are all called investment. Investment is an asset or anything that you put your money into that generates profits overtime. When you are accumulating bitcoin, you are increasing your investment size.
You are burning dollars to buy Bitcoin, which is creating a potential asset and the size of the Bitcoin stack is increasing due to frequent accumulation. This frequent buying is called accumulating and the amount of Bitcoin you are accumulate is your valuable investment. If you stop/continue after managing your stack for the long term, the amount of Bitcoin you have in your portfolio is your investment. Buying Bitcoin through lump sum during the bearish period is more like an investment than accumulate because you are suddenly buying to grow your portfolio. Bitcoin accumulation/investment is a continuous effort to complete the cycles.











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September 25, 2025, 09:33:34 AM
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So it's best to take the time to build up an emergency fund and gradually enter the Bitcoin market with the extra money.
As a newbie and a no coin, it's not good for you to take time to build up your emergency fund first before you start accumulating Bitcoin because by the time you will be busy building your emergency fund, you should have also been busy accumulating Bitcon with the DCA strategy so that you will have an existing Bitcoin investment that you are building up your emergency fund for rather than building up your emergency fund when you haven't yet started accumulating Bitcoin, which makes no sense to me because you can build up your emergency fund and end up not investing in Bitcoin. Instead of using all your discretionary income to build up your emergency fund when you haven't kick started your Bitcoin investment, why don't you start accumulating Bitcoin and build up your emergency fund together? And when your have built up your emergency fund up to 3 months, you can put building up your emergency fund on hold and focus on accumulating Bitcoin with your discretionary income. This will be helpful to you in starting you Bitcoin investment.
Honestly  I think that the time sharing strategy  i.e. building an emergency fund and gradually starting to buy Bitcoin at the same time  is a very smart thing to do in this situation. On the one hand  having an emergency fund  i.e. a life buffer  keeps us financially secure in the event of an unexpected situation. On the other hand  using the DCA strategy to buy Bitcoin over time helps us build long term exposure  which is effective in reducing risk in volatile markets.
For example  if someone is only busy building an emergency fund and does not start buying Bitcoin  they may miss out on a price increase or market dip. Suppose a person has been building an emergency fund for three months  but during that time Bitcoin suddenly fell by 10 to 15 percent. If they had started a concurrent DCA  they could have taken advantage of this dip. Again  they also have an emergency fund  which is capable of handling short term emergencies.

An effective strategy could be: putting a certain portion (say 50 percent) of your monthly income into an emergency fund and starting a Bitcoin DCA with the remaining 50 percent. After a few months  when the emergency fund reaches a sufficient level  the focus shifts to buying Bitcoin. This ensures both risk mitigation and long term growth.
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Those who basically spend 80 percent of their income on basic family expenses. If they start investing without creating an emergency fund and suddenly their expenses increase and they fall into a financial crisis or disaster, they will not be able to maintain their investment.
People's income and expenditure are not fixed. Some people have much less expenditure than their income and some have much more expenditure than their income. However, normally those who have a discreet source of income may have an expenditure of 70-80 percent of their total income. The money left after expenditure is basically discreet money which is needed for investment.

Now, there is no need to deposit this discreet money in the emergency fund at the beginning, especially for investment. Because your investment fund has not become valuable yet. So there is no need to pay much attention to the emergency fund at the beginning, rather you try to pay attention to investment at the beginning. Emergency fund becomes important for you after starting investment. If your discreet income is very high, then you can also focus on building an emergency fund along with investment. Remember, there is not much need to buy rope before buying a cow. So delaying investment to build an emergency fund will not be the right thing to do.
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Those who basically spend 80 percent of their income on basic family expenses. If they start investing without creating an emergency fund and suddenly their expenses increase and they fall into a financial crisis or disaster, they will not be able to maintain their investment.
People's income and expenditure are not fixed. Some people have much less expenditure than their income and some have much more expenditure than their income. However, normally those who have a discreet source of income may have an expenditure of 70-80 percent of their total income. The money left after expenditure is basically discreet money which is needed for investment.

Now, there is no need to deposit this discreet money in the emergency fund at the beginning, especially for investment. Because your investment fund has not become valuable yet. So there is no need to pay much attention to the emergency fund at the beginning, rather you try to pay attention to investment at the beginning. Emergency fund becomes important for you after starting investment. If your discreet income is very high, then you can also focus on building an emergency fund along with investment. Remember, there is not much need to buy rope before buying a cow. So delaying investment to build an emergency fund will not be the right thing to do.
These isn't much difference between people who are building up their emergency funds instead of investing and people who are trying to understand and know everything about bitcoin before investing, at the end of the day both parties are wasting valuable time contemplating on irrelevancies, at the end of the day building an emergency fund is important but you should not be doing so at the expense of you bitcoin accumulation, instead do both side by side, the only reason a person bitcoin accumulation should be delayed is if they do not have the discretionary income to continue investing, in situations like this it's best to first put your financial standing in order so as to avoid having to sell too early.
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Those who basically spend 80 percent of their income on basic family expenses. If they start investing without creating an emergency fund and suddenly their expenses increase and they fall into a financial crisis or disaster, they will not be able to maintain their investment.
People's income and expenditure are not fixed. Some people have much less expenditure than their income and some have much more expenditure than their income. However, normally those who have a discreet source of income may have an expenditure of 70-80 percent of their total income. The money left after expenditure is basically discreet money which is needed for investment.

Now, there is no need to deposit this discreet money in the emergency fund at the beginning, especially for investment. Because your investment fund has not become valuable yet. So there is no need to pay much attention to the emergency fund at the beginning, rather you try to pay attention to investment at the beginning. Emergency fund becomes important for you after starting investment. If your discreet income is very high, then you can also focus on building an emergency fund along with investment. Remember, there is not much need to buy rope before buying a cow. So delaying investment to build an emergency fund will not be the right thing to do.
I see where you are coming from, but I think it depends on the individual situation. Starting investment early is definitely smart because time in the market matters a lot, but at the same time, not having any emergency fund at all is sha risky..  Life is unpredictable, and if something urgent happens, you might be forced to sell your investment at the wrong time just to cover expenses..  That could easily wipe out the progress you have made.

I believe both can go hand in hand, even if it is small. You don’t need a huge emergency fund before you start investing, but at least having a little cushion can give peace of mind and protect your Bitcoin from being touched when life bring surprises. The rope and cow example makes sense, but if the cow runs away before you get the rope, you are left with nothing. Balance is always the key..
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People's income and expenditure are not fixed. Some people have much less expenditure than their income and some have much more expenditure than their income. However, normally those who have a discreet source of income may have an expenditure of 70-80 percent of their total income. The money left after expenditure is basically discreet money which is needed for investment.

Now, there is no need to deposit this discreet money in the emergency fund at the beginning, especially for investment. Because your investment fund has not become valuable yet. So there is no need to pay much attention to the emergency fund at the beginning, rather you try to pay attention to investment at the beginning. Emergency fund becomes important for you after starting investment. If your discreet income is very high, then you can also focus on building an emergency fund along with investment. Remember, there is not much need to buy rope before buying a cow. So delaying investment to build an emergency fund will not be the right thing to do.
I see where you are coming from, but I think it depends on the individual situation. Starting investment early is definitely smart because time in the market matters a lot, but at the same time, not having any emergency fund at all is sha risky..  Life is unpredictable, and if something urgent happens, you might be forced to sell your investment at the wrong time just to cover expenses..  That could easily wipe out the progress you have made.

I believe both can go hand in hand, even if it is small. You don’t need a huge emergency fund before you start investing, but at least having a little cushion can give peace of mind and protect your Bitcoin from being touched when life bring surprises. The rope and cow example makes sense, but if the cow runs away before you get the rope, you are left with nothing. Balance is always the key..

It will never be a good decision for you to delay investing to create an emergency fund because you can miss out on many buying opportunities during the time you wait to invest to create an emergency fund. It will be better if you create an emergency fund along with investing.

As you said, what will happen if your cow runs away before you get the rope. That is why you need to create an emergency fund along with investing. For example, if you have $150, you can invest with $100 and create an emergency fund with $50. If you go ahead like this, it will not take you back from the goal of building your portfolio and you will not miss out on buying opportunities. If you have any kind of unexpected financial disaster at that time, you will be able to deal with it. Creating an emergency fund along with investing will be the smartest thing to do.
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I see where you are coming from, but I think it depends on the individual situation. Starting investment early is definitely smart because time in the market matters a lot, but at the same time, not having any emergency fund at all is sha risky..  Life is unpredictable, and if something urgent happens, you might be forced to sell your investment at the wrong time just to cover expenses..  That could easily wipe out the progress you have made.

I believe both can go hand in hand, even if it is small. You don’t need a huge emergency fund before you start investing, but at least having a little cushion can give peace of mind and protect your Bitcoin from being touched when life bring surprises. The rope and cow example makes sense, but if the cow runs away before you get the rope, you are left with nothing. Balance is always the key..
You just made a very good point here actually, and I find it a dangerous risk not to have an emergency funds in place no matter how small it is, what investors are adviced to do is to build your emergency funds along side your Bitcoin investment, then when you have get to that point where your emergency funds is large enough to carry all your expenses for three months, that's when you can take a break from it, and channel that money back to accumulating Bitcoin aggressively, I mean the money you normal add to your emergency funds weekly or monthly, with that, your Bitcoin investment will be secured even from the very beginning.
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So it's best to take the time to build up an emergency fund and gradually enter the Bitcoin market with the extra money.
I think what you have said doesn’t make sense as a newbie or a beginner who have that mindset of buying bitcoin, I must tell you that it doesn’t make any sense to be building your emergency fund first before you starting investing into Bitcoin or buying Bitcoin, Rather it’s better to start buying and investing into Bitcoin now, and then you can start building your emergency funds and reserved funds all together.

Because that money you will be using to build your emergency funds it’s better to use that money and start buying bitcoin, what if you end up not buying bitcoin after building and emergency funds what are you going to do in that situation, so I will suggest it’s better you start buying bitcoin immediately instead of waiting to build an emergency fund.

As a no coiner and a pleb I will prefer to start buying bitcoin immediately and then I can now consider building my emergency funds in two months into my investment which would be more sustainable.


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So it's best to take the time to build up an emergency fund and gradually enter the Bitcoin market with the extra money.
I think what you have said doesn’t make sense as a newbie or a beginner who have that mindset of buying bitcoin, I must tell you that it doesn’t make any sense to be building your emergency fund first before you starting investing into Bitcoin or buying Bitcoin, Rather it’s better to start buying and investing into Bitcoin now, and then you can start building your emergency funds and reserved funds all together.

Because that money you will be using to build your emergency funds it’s better to use that money and start buying bitcoin, what if you end up not buying bitcoin after building and emergency funds what are you going to do in that situation, so I will suggest it’s better you start buying bitcoin immediately instead of waiting to build an emergency fund.

As a no coiner and a pleb I will prefer to start buying bitcoin immediately and then I can now consider building my emergency funds in two months into my investment which would be more sustainable.

Waiting is time delaying and is never a good strategy. However his main focus should be, buying Bitcoin consistently from his discretional income first, later on he can start building his emergency funds alongside his Bitcoin investment for 3 months. It doesn't make any sense if he is already building his emergency funds when he hasn't started his bitcoin investments, emergency fund can come in later.  The right thing to be done is for him to have his discretional income available to buy Bitcoin and why accumulating bitcoin weekly,he can start building his emergency funds for the next 3 months that will be sufficient enough to protect his bitcoin investments against Real life emergency.

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2. Make use of the 50/30/20 allocation rule: 50% of your income allocation should go to taking care of essential expenses and immediate needs. The mistake people often make is neglecting this aspect, forgetting that it is actually inevitable and unavoidable, even when you manage to avoid it today, it'll come back tomorrow bigger, and you'll be forced to still sort them out, thereby messing up your plans. 30% goes to your discretionary income and the other 20% towards your savings and also for debt repayments.
Adopting the DCA strategy as guide was totally resourceful to me,though the 50%,30% and20% could be adjustable depending on personal priorities  at the moment,investment requires nothing but determination so that the end result  will turn out juicy,sometimes circumstances could  change the initial plan to 40%,40%,20%,this is where I totally advice investors to focus on initial decision and be determined  to survive outside the investment so that one's result wount fluctuate when others are rejoicing.

There are some problems with the division, and sure it could be possible that we could elect to have our basic expenses to be somewhere in the ballpark of 50% of our income, and once we figure out what our basic expenses, then the rest is discretionary income.

Portions of our discretionary income that we allocate towards debt servicing is not discretionary income, that is part of basic expenses.

With our discretionary income we can choose to invest (save), or consume. Each of us can figure out how much of our discretionary income we want to allocate to each of these.

Most people are not going to have 50% of their income as discretionary income, so 50% is pretty high.  many will fit somewhere in the ballpark of 10% and 30%.

You are actually right and I agree with these points. Firstly, the 50%, 30% and 20% division may not work for some people due to high expenses demand and or the level of income that comes in. We know that expenses varies alot. Mr A might be spending a whole of 70% of his income on expenses while Mr B might just be needing 45, 50% or there about to clear up weekly of monthly basis needs, and offcours we know that this has a whole lot to do with how far you were able to clear or provide for previously and also the level of income that comes in weekly or monthly. However, everything boils down to your level of income. A high level of income earner can work with that division formula, not even always because at times expenses can increase as I explained earlier, while on the other hand, a low income earner will find the 50% discretionary worrisome and may not work with it comfortably.

So what really matters is getting to actually know what your expenses might be, or surely will be before the right discretionary can be discovered and allotted. And secondly, in picking out our discretionary, we shouldn't be too desperate or greedy in a bid to increase our accumulation speed over night by allocating big percentage to the discretionary income which in turns increases your accumulation without properly settling your basic needs and much needed expenses, because if this is done in any was, would hunt you within the week or month of such rash decision.

So I think individually, investors should check their possible income, determine there sure expenses and from it do there division to suit all sides and ensure peaceful living and accumulating simultaneously. It very clear that the formula that works for Mr A may not work for me

I totally agree with this point because no one’s financial life is the same. If you don’t fully understand your real expenses, it’s easy to set targets that you cannot meet up. Building a balance between covering needs and slowly growing investments like Bitcoin is safer than rushing in with percentages that are not realistic.. In the long run, steady progress with a clear view of your income and expenses will always give better results than forcing yourself into a strict formula, So I agree with you.
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