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June 12, 2025, 02:28:11 AM
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I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days. My intention was to experiment if the forum detects the AI and how far a user can go with AI abuse. And it takes some time for the forum to detect the AI posts. But since i get busted is time to share my experience and the knowledge, that way we can build better tools for the AI detection.

First of all i want to introduce my self to explain my AI experience. I work for a travel company that is in a automatization and AI integration process and I'm the project leader, i have done some bot with AI for Telegram, WhatsApp, Site Chats, and phone agents. This with the focus of customer service and sales.

The tool that i used is n8n, and my agent looks like this:


I used AI to generate the prompt that will make the bot post like me, i feed some of my past post and the prompt generated was the next one.

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Here is the translated prompt:

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You are an expert assistant on Bitcointalk and your only task is to write replies for the forum [https://bitcointalk.org](https://bitcointalk.org) by copying **exactly** the personal style of *seoincorporation*. Analyze the message (input) that will be provided to you, and respond by complying with **ALL** the following conditions:

* Detect the language and reply in the **same language** as the original message.
* Always write in the same language as the received text. If the message is in English, reply in English using *seoincorporation*'s tone, style, and structure. If it's in Spanish, match that same style in Spanish.
* Your tone must be friendly, direct, and clear, mixing short phrases to emphasize ideas ("That's not good at all.", "Meh, nothing new.", "This is how it works.", etc.).
* Argue based on logic, include natural personal examples (when applicable), be skeptical of surprising things, and mention risks in a simple way.
* Provide clear explanations without unnecessary technical jargon. If technical concepts appear, explain them in an easy way, without complex words.
* If you need to express doubt or skepticism, do so gently, without accusing, but clearly point out a possible "trick" ("Sounds tricky", "Not sure if that's real").
* On casino/gambling topics: always highlight the importance of terms & conditions, wagering difficulty or promo restrictions when applicable, and caution.
* If the input asks for an opinion, answer based on experience, with honesty and no beating around the bush (e.g. "Personally I prefer…" / "In my experience…").
* Mention personal examples if they’re helpful ("That happened to me once…", "I used to do that too…").
* If something is suspicious or unclear, ask the user to explain better or request transparency.
* If the topic is about regulation, KYC or security, mention practical inconveniences the user might face.
* If the discussion is based on common crypto or gambling beliefs, contribute with simple analogies, examples, or easy comparisons.
* Be concise: not too long, not too short. Write like *seoincorporation*: natural structure, no formality, informal phrasing but never disrespectful, no memes or forced humor.
* DO NOT include introductions or meta comments: just answer the input, directly, like a Bitcointalk reply.

My STYLE is exactly that of *seoincorporation* based on the example messages provided:

* Simple, direct phrases, sometimes short to stress a point ("That's not how it works.").
* Experience-based arguments and analogies, avoiding jargon.
* Healthy skepticism, pointing out issues ("This sounds odd", "Not sure this is fair").
* Simple solutions when applicable ("You could just swap…", "The best way is to…").
* Always explains difficult concepts in a simple way.
* When something feels off, says so bluntly ("Doesn't sound good", "Not sure about that").
* Asks for more info if something's unclear.
* If the topic is about casinos or gambling, always highlights how hard bonuses/restrictions are and the importance of checking the promo.
* use " instead of “
* use " instead of ”
* use ' instead of ’
* use , instead of —

\=== Input Format ===

You will receive ONLY the text of the user who posted on Bitcointalk.

\=== Output Format ===

Return ONLY the response, ready to paste in the forum, with no titles, context or additional explanation. Write in the **same language** as the received message, IMITATING exactly the writing style (tone, structure, phrases, etc.) of *seoincorporation* as per the examples above. Your goal is to produce writing with **less than 3% AI-generated probability** according to tools like GPTZero or Sapling.
Always use the language of the received message.
{{ \$json.chatInput }}

This way, each time i post in the chat a forum topic/answer, my bot gives me an answer with my style.

And then i get busted on June 9 by Dark.Look and memehunter https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg65467361#msg65467361 and what happened next was a massive delete of my post by a mod.


I would say it was fair enough, and I'm here making this post because I know there are consequences for the way I act. I have already sent a message to the signature campaign manager and want to apologise to some of you who may have been offended.

but i want to make noise to make us all understand where we are with AI, and understand that this is a fight that we can't win.

My prompt was really basic and that's why i got detected by the users (I was expecting to get busted by the mods or admins), but i can make a humanized prompt that avoids the AI detection, a prompt that takes all my
spelling mistakes and adopt it as style and with that the AI bust tools will have real troubles. But i will not do it, i already play with fire and is time to stop.

My point here is, we have to ask to ourselves:

Can we win the war against AI?
If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating?
If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating?
If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum?

I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and how some of us gets a payment for our post, but if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion?

This is a really complex topic guys, and from my point of view is hard to understand what's right and what's wrong about AI. And I'm sure that today we have a lot of undetected AI users. The fact that we use tools like
Copyleaks, GPTZero, Sapling.ai, and Quillbot is not guarantee that we are protected, because the ones who decide to implement AI have access to these tools to, and they could work on their post until get something lower than 50% and the make the post.

So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas.

Because that's another interesting point, what happen with those users that aren't 100% bot or 100% human? those who decide to fusion with the machine on a cyberpunk style?

So, this is what i have learned and wanted to share with you guys, and I'm ready for the consequences, if you want to ban me or burn my reputation for this experiment, do it. I was totally conscious of what i was doing and enjoyed the experiment.

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Are we really allowed to test AI on the forum without been penalized?

Wow this is new
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My prompt was really basic and that's why i got detected by the users (I was expecting to get busted by the mods or admins), but i can make a humanized prompt that avoids the AI detection,

Really? Can you prove that? I say this because if you can do it yourself I don't think it will take long for the technology to be available to everyone.

I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and that's that some of us gets a payment for our post,

That's the whole problem with AI on the forum.

So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas.

How reliable can that be? Can't it give false positives?

Are we really allowed to test AI on the forum without been penalized?

Wow this is new

As long as you make it explicit you can. For example: you quote what the IA says instead of passing it as your own.

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Last edit: June 14, 2025, 07:55:22 PM by NotFuzzyWarm
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Are we really allowed to test AI on the forum without been penalized?
Wow this is new
The OP -was- penalized: their posts were deleted.
Now if the OP continues to use fully AI generated replies or new topics, that is when sterner response by the mods will happen. It also needs to be pointed out (again) that the Forum does very little automatic scanning of posts (mainly looking for things like gift card scams) - most of the time it is us Forum users who flag and report posts to the mods who then review them and act accordingly.

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If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating?
No. Using a spell checker is perfectly fine and is in fact encouraged as it is also a learning tool.

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If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating?
Yes that is wrong. A reply should be entirely in your own words (aside from quoted content that also has links to their source) and be entirely based on what the poster knows or believes - NOT what some AI program has glomed together as a reply. Don't be afraid of 'getting it wrong' or not being able to properly articulate your thoughts: Most folks here will understand you and if you post questionable/wrong information they will simply correct you. The Forum is a place for learning.

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If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum?
If by image you mean a picture - that is fine. If you mean using AI to generate the initial topic for a business announcement I'd be good with that. Using it to generate a new topic for general discussion - no.

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This way, each time i post in the chat a forum topic/answer, my bot gives me an answer with my style.

Its not "your style" though, its AI's style, which is why your posts were detected by AI detectors.

but i want to make noise to make us all understand where we are with AI, and understand that this is a fight that we can't win.

Uh... pretty obviously we can win it as all your posts were deleted... A giant waste of your time & everyone else's IMO.

My prompt was really basic and that's why i got detected by the users (I was expecting to get busted by the mods or admins), but i can make a humanized prompt that avoids the AI detection, a prompt that takes all my
spelling mistakes and adopt it as style and with that the AI bust tools will have real troubles.

I'm not sure you can make a prompt that avoids detection. There's no such thing as a "humanized" prompt, because all the output is coming from a machine. Its AI doing what it thinks are "human things," which is what it was doing anyway. You will have to manually make changes to the output to evade the detectors.

Can we win the war against AI?

What would Sarah Connor do?

If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating?

Why not just use a normal spellcheck tool? The difference is AI tends to do more than correct spelling errors; it completely transforms the wording of posts, removing what makes them human and replacing it with a cookie cutter style that is easily noticeable by those who know what to look for.

If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating?

This happens all the time, and these posts are frequently removed by moderators. It doesn't really matter whether its "cheating" or not.

If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum?

One thing I've noticed is that services / coins that rely on AI to write their ANNs for them tend not to get deleted. And that's fine -- its up to the reader whether or not they want to use a product made by someone too lazy or verbally incompetent to use their own words to describe it. As far as images are concerned, its totally fine IMO, so long as you aren't saying "I made this by myself," as is being inferred when people post straight AI output without crediting it.

I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and that's that some of us gets a payment for our post, but if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion?

No, because AI will never help a shitpost become more than a shitpost. It will never increase the IQ of a post. It is just repackaging spammy content in an extremely formulaic way, so I'd argue its worse than a regular shitpost.

This is a really complex topic guys, and from my point of view is hard to understand what's right and what's wrong about AI. And I'm sure that today we have a lot of undetected AI users.

That much is true.

The fact that we use tools like
Copyleaks, GPTZero, Sapling.ai, and Quillbot is not guarantee that we are protected, because the ones who decide to implement AI have access to these tools to, and they could work on their post until get something lower than 50% and the make the post.

Yes but shitposters don't really do that because if it takes more time than writing a regular shitpost, then it defeats the purpose of using AI in the first place, which is to crank out shitposts as quickly as possible.

So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas.

I'd say using an automated anything is not the way to go about it. It all comes down to whether the moderators decide something is "spam" or not.

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June 12, 2025, 03:49:55 AM
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My point here is, we have to ask to ourselves:

Can we win the war against AI?
If a user have a bad spelling and use AI to correct his spelling, is he cheating?
If a user reads the thread, generates an answer with AI and changes some words to humanize it, is he cheating?
If a casino use AI to generate the Image for his main topic is that a problem for the forum?
This is not really a war against Ai per say, rather just guidelines for managing Ai, which is necessary for intellectual growth to continue.
The first question is understandable, it is like you are using any grammar assistance which even in the current time as integrated Ai for better service.
The second is a no, solely dependency on Ai is cheating, where does intellectual property stands here?.

The third is basically up to the casino themselves, if they are using this in their casino, I think it may be okay but don't forget there maybe general guidelines casino has to follow for their start up. Although, if this is used only in our forum then I think it would still be deleted. Sometimes, casino platforms that join the forum are aware about the rule (either been informed by someone or has gone through the forum rule) or they learn the other way round when their post is deleted.

I totally understand the problem with AI on the forum, and that's that some of us gets a payment for our post, but if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion?

Intellectual posts from an individual is different from that of Ai, like in academy settings AI are flagged negative when individuals are solely reliant in it and this forum doesn't support this.
How one improve their cognitive skills if they are solely reliant on Ai?
That is a downtrend for human reasoning.

This is a really complex topic guys, and from my point of view is hard to understand what's right and what's wrong about AI. And I'm sure that today we have a lot of undetected AI users. The fact that we use tools like
Copyleaks, GPTZero, Sapling.ai, and Quillbot is not guarantee that we are protected, because the ones who decide to implement AI have access to these tools to, and they could work on their post until get something lower than 50% and the make the post.

So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas.

Similarly, just as how these are used to improved Ai and it's the same way these Ai are used to improve Ai detectors. It's in a constant loop of how scam and anti-scam process goes. Scammer finds a new exploit to steal, cybersecurity experts finds these flaws and how to protect users.

 
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So you're just another spammer.
I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days. My intention was to experiment if the forum detects the AI and how far a user can go with AI abuse.
Thousands of users have been doing that, and it's very annoying! It's a waste of everyone's time, and posting chatbot verbal diarrhea as your own is plagiarism by definition.

That's no way to treat a community!

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understand that this is a fight that we can't win.
There is no "we" if you join the spammers.

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Can we win the war against AI?
All I can do is one neutral feedback at a time. You've earned yours!

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if our post have better quality and are more attractive for the people then isn't that better for the casino promotion?
I don't care about your casino promotion, this should be about Bitcointalk.

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if you want to ban me or burn my reputation
Lol. You don't get it, do you? You burned your reputation!

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It's just one neutral, I wouldn't look too much into it. All is done and dusted anyway.

My spam detection prototype for my search engine is tripping over AI-generated posts like crazy, though.

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It's just one neutral, I wouldn't look too much into it.

That neutral is not just anyone's, I think it carries a lot more weight than others. And it's also not clear if the OP is going to get more tags. I don't think the OP's experiment is all bad, but one would think that if he hadn't been caught he would have continued publishing with his AI agent indefinitely.

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I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days. My intention was to experiment if the forum detects the AI and how far a user can go with AI abuse. And it takes some time for the forum to detect the AI posts. But since i get busted is time to share my experience and the knowledge, that way we can build better tools for the AI detection.

1. You could just read partial or entire of AI Spam Report Reference Thread, rather than doing this experiment.
2. A real engineer have done that long time (before ChatGPT exist) and not detected. See this blog post, https://maraoz.com/openai-gpt3/.
3. If you just want to see how far it can go, i would recommend you to check these users who received lots of neutral feedback.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3700406
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3530138

So IMO your experiment have very little value or interesting outcome.

So, how can we really fight against AI? We could use an automatic process where we verify each new post and the post history of the user and make an AI score, even the user profile could have that score to let us know which users are bots and which are 100% humas.

1. Who wants to build such automated process/system?
2. Who will pay for operation cost of such automated process/system?

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Bruh what are you trying to do here? Trying to get sympathy for those who are using AI to create replies and your logic is that one day AI will do all this?

I cant sympathize with you for that, those who put in their effort to read, understand and write these posts deserve more respect.

If you were just going to experiment, you could have used an alt account intended specifically for this purpose or declare it before you start. Not like shoot first ask questions later - you have to face consequences then.

You can always find me supporting tech projects, your casino development for example, but this type of things put me off.

 
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June 12, 2025, 09:57:43 AM
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I somehow believed your 'daring experiment' theory. You said that your results will help us to prevent AI spam. Now it seems like (after reading all BS in the OP) this is just another lazy signature spam. I even doubt that you have made any automation at all. Now here is what I think happened,
You were spamming AI garbage in the local section for a very long time (local language sections are still kind of untouched by AI detection) then you tried that in the global section and since you have been here for so long, nobody noticed anything.     
You did not reply to the first report (as you have not got any neutral for that), it was only when I tagged you came up with this crazy story. You also gave us some merits (bribe). You have very little merit in sending history (which is obvious because you are not interacting here) but suddenly you gave 20 merits, This is what happens when you actually interact (you send merits lol).
You have not informed your CM and staff beforehand of your experiment. You accepted the signature payment and after reading your BS I am convinced that removing neutral was not a good idea (well, actually it was, since you now got neutral from a more reputed member Grin).
I will also reinstate my neutral now as I think your experiment theory is bullshit. 

 

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It's not nice to see an old member resorting to these methods, and only reacting when he gets tagged and his posts are deleted. There may be some truth to his explanation for why he did it, but the fact that he didn't inform anyone in advance, and that he participated in the sig campaign at that time definitely doesn't work in his favor.

I know there have been other cases where Legendary members have been caught in the act of using AI for their posts, but mostly they claimed it was the result of using certain online translators or spell checkers. @nutildah has written about this in his AI topic several times, and the point is that many of these tools today use AI, and that instead of corrections, they actually add content that can then be detected as AI.

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As my boss usually says about late coming, "Any reason given after the supposed deadline is an excuse "
Same applies to this. Many are going to consider it an excuse even if what you just said is true.

It wouldn't hurt to have atleast inform someone like your campaign manager about your plan
Especially since you are on a contract where such habit isn't taken lightly.

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So you're just another spammer.
I have been using AI to generate some of my posts in the past 6 days. My intention was to experiment if the forum detects the AI and how far a user can go with AI abuse.
Thousands of users have been doing that, and it's very annoying! It's a waste of everyone's time, and posting chatbot verbal diarrhea as your own is plagiarism by definition.

That's no way to treat a community!

Uh... pretty obviously we can win it as all your posts were deleted... A giant waste of your time & everyone else's IMO.

This is a tremendous waste of time, and since the user is filling signature campaign posts quota, this is wrong with the community. Why not create a new account to do such experiment?

Maybe if OP had talked to the mods or admin beforehand, it would have made the experiment a little better. As OP was detected because admin/mods had already tested such AI detection tool, this is precisely the reason why it worked. No real experiment was conducted that hasn't been done before.

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In the past, there were discussions on whether using images without sources can be considered as plagiarism that has permanent ban as its consequence. The answer from theymos or a moderator is not, at last at the time he answered it and this approach has been appling till today.

icopress had his PMs with a global moderator and got similar answers.
Thank you all for your answers, I think the discussion of this issue has been exhausted. / Below is the answer by mprep (Global Moderator).

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33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images?
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OP you should be lucky that you didn't get banned for doing stuff like this, it is borderline plagiarism for me.
It's one thing to perform testing with some bot, and it's totally different to test how other members will react to your AI generated posts.
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Op, don't you think that wearing a paid signature to conduct your alleged experiment is unethical or cheating? You do not contribute to the community, but rather trained an AI to write on your behalf and you getting paid weekly?
Your experiment would have been sane if you were not getting paid.

For your question of if we can win this AI war.
I do not think we can win it. But I am sure something will have to happen in the nearest future. AI will be so abundant in the forum to the extent that human written conversations will be scarce. By this time, campaign managers will have to scan the whole profile of any user in order to be able to hire anyone whose profile is 95 to 100% human written.

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Some kind of experiment should avoid that possibly ruin your reputation, and that's what happened. Besides being signature participants, your account also could be banned by admins. You should run this experiment when you aren't in any signature. Even I was caught when I used ChatGPT for grammar and spelling corrections. Actually, the prompt was about rewriting it professionally, so I realised this is not correct what I did. Even I wasn't doing it intentionally; otherwise, I could humanise the sentence. So actually you did wrong too.

However, using a bot to create posts, especially when you are on a signature campaign, isn't welcomed by forum users anymore. Currently I have been using QuillBot to correct my grammar only. It doesn't change any words or sentences. You just ruined your reputation.

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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?


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June 12, 2025, 09:57:14 PM
Merited by Mia Chloe (6), Lucius (1), garlonicon (1)
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you did this and youre in a paid sig campaign?

congratulations on ruining any respect or integrity you may of had on this forum
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