the rise, should he/she be managing anything?

[yahoo62278]

I just read the topic from DragonSlots and unfortunately didn't get to post in the topic and share my opinion so I opened this to ask a few questions about the said manager and their ethics.

Is it ethical no matter the situation for the manager to join in a contest they are hosting? Even if given permission, should they have even thought about joining?

Is it ethical to message another managers clients trying to steal them with cheaper rates? I have heard this is being done as well, the other manager will be made aware of this thread and can post if they like.

@DragonSlots, not sure why you locked the thread if you were in the right unless you had something in your convos you didn't want to be seen by the public, but don't bow down to pressure or don't put yourself in bad situations. Expose the person and protect the community is the best move.

Couple other things to mention

If that's your accusation, go ahead with your arguments, but I'm with the people who participated, and I don't want them to be disappointed...

From what I read only 1 other person participated right? So who's disappointed? The contest might have been better ran if there was mention of a minimum number of participants or contest gets cancelled. Protect the client if running their contest without being shady.

I also don't want to share our conversation publicly, but if circumstances force me, I might share some snippets, but damaging your image isn't my goal.


Secondly, I also want to protect participants who want to participate in our contest. I don't want participants to be disappointed with me due to the changed rules.

Rules shouldn't really be changed once contest starts!!

Doesn't look good... No "manager" should try to force themselves into a contest. Its bad etiquette and highly unprofessional.

This is a placeholder comment because I need to remind myself to look into something tomorrow.

Yes, I know that, sir, but initially he allowed me to.

If we agreed to show all the conversations uncensored, I was willing.

100% agree with nutildah, you should never have even wanted to join, but I am also now curious about the convo as it seems you are trying to say they wanted you to join.

Regardless, it doesn't seem to me that you are ready to manage anything at this point, you still need to work on building a reputation and your ethics before handling anything.



**EDIT**

This is just my opinion, feel free to tell me stfu lol

[mindrust]

The way it currently is, only bark no bite.

Sorry, after we discussed it we both chose to make peace

I accept your apologize.

They both noticed if things escalated further they' both would receive reputation damage probably and that's why they had to make peace. 

I instantly recognize barkers and biters. And these, these weren't gonna bite.

[Stalker22]

Just read the whole thread. Im not sure what actually happened between the two of them, but if what DragonSlots said is true (and it seems to be) then the manager "the rise" is truly very unprofessional and unethical. I can only assume that he doesnt have much experience in running promotional campaigns and doesnt know how to properly communicate with a client.  Too bad the thread is locked and we didnt get to see more details of their communication.

[Perfectbaby]

From my little knowledge or period of years that I have spent here, I have never seen any manager join the contest they are holding and none has done that except as you mentioned about "the rise" and of course is very bad because the outcome or result are being judged by him who is still hosting the contest. Although I don't know the type of contest they hosted but sincerely it's unprofessional seeing him join. Again, as the host there should be a rewards for him to handle such contest and I think his paid should be enough for him than to join the contest again.

[justinlamode]

Ethically, I don't think it make any sense for a manager to be a participant in a contest he manages but depending on the nature of the context as I have seen some in which the manager actually joins the contest but did not influence the contest.  But  if I were a manager, I wouldn't join a contest I manage to avoid drama such as we have here.

[JeromeTash]

Honestly, after seeing another thread about him. I don't think I can trust him. He seems to be someone so greedy when it comes to money/quick gains. Anybody who can easily be moved by money can easily get compromised.
I remember warning him, but I have to accept that old habits die hard.

[Zoomic]

The way it currently is, only bark no bite.

Sorry, after we discussed it we both chose to make peace

I accept your apologize.

They both noticed if things escalated further they' both would receive reputation damage probably and that's why they had to make peace. 

I instantly recognize barkers and biters. And these, these weren't gonna bite.

Exactly what happened. I read through DragonSlots thread in the reputation board and was surprised how both parties readily sheathe their swords.
Psychologically, I perceived that DragonSlots had some shitty loopholes in his contest which he communicated with the rise as the contest manager. The rise seeing the loophole decided to benefit from it by applying to contest in a contest he was managing. There might be cockroach in the cupboard of both.

No facts, no allegations, just psychology playing here. I might be 100% wrong.

[Wapfika]

Psychologically, I perceived that DragonSlots had some shitty loopholes in his contest which he communicated with the rise as the contest manager. The rise seeing the loophole decided to benefit from it by applying to contest in a contest he was managing. There might be cockroach in the cupboard of both.

No facts, no allegations, just psychology playing here. I might be 100% wrong.

The biggest loophole on the contest is obviously the lack of participants. There’s only 1 entry with low multiplier so posting any entry can get a guaranteed prize that’s why the manager is so eager to join.

On the casino side, probably they are saving some bucks given that they are already paying the manager to handle the contest while his participation can result to paying him more instead to other players or they can save some money if no participants joined.

One is trying to get extra bucks and the other party wants to save some.

[yahoo62278]

Honestly, after seeing another thread about him. I don't think I can trust him. He seems to be someone so greedy when it comes to money/quick gains. Anybody who can easily be moved by money can easily get compromised.
I remember warning him, but I have to accept that old habits die hard.

IDK if it's greed or bad judgement but it definitely paints them negatively. I am with you on the not trusting part though.

Psychologically, I perceived that DragonSlots had some shitty loopholes in his contest which he communicated with the rise as the contest manager. The rise seeing the loophole decided to benefit from it by applying to contest in a contest he was managing. There might be cockroach in the cupboard of both.

No facts, no allegations, just psychology playing here. I might be 100% wrong.

The biggest loophole on the contest is obviously the lack of participants. There’s only 1 entry with low multiplier so posting any entry can get a guaranteed prize that’s why the manager is so eager to join.

On the casino side, probably they are saving some bucks given that they are already paying the manager to handle the contest while his participation can result to paying him more instead to other players or they can save some money if no participants joined.

One is trying to get extra bucks and the other party wants to save some.

The casino would have lost $35 by paying the 1 participant 1st place +whatever fee the paid for the manager.

[Apocollapse]

Is it ethical no matter the situation for the manager to join in a contest they are hosting? Even if given permission, should they have even thought about joining?

If it's allowed then it's allowed.

But the manager must lose in the competition they participated, if they won, I won't join in their contest because it will raise a conflict of interest.

Is it ethical to message another managers clients trying to steal them with cheaper rates? I have heard this is being done as well, the other manager will be made aware of this thread and can post if they like.

Ethical, it's not stealing, but it proves whether you're good or not.

If the clients are really want to work with you, even there are 100 people trying to hijack your clients, the clients will still choose you over them.

From what I read only 1 other person participated right? So who's disappointed? The contest might have been better ran if there was mention of a minimum number of participants or contest gets cancelled. Protect the client if running their contest without being shady.

Rules shouldn't really be changed once contest starts!!

Regardless, it doesn't seem to me that you are ready to manage anything at this point, you still need to work on building a reputation and your ethics before handling anything.

Agree.

My opinion about that thread, I still won't want to conclude either one is wrong because as I said before, there's no picture of their conversation.

[nutildah]

The answer to your question is "no", and here's why: he's been running an account farm since 2017.

In the other thread, I thought it was odd how one of the "other" participants in the contest posted this in the thread:

Then what is your reason for block me, and changing the rules as you please?

I don't want any funds from either of you.

Then this guy showed up with an equally useless comment:

Why are you two arguing?

Aren't you two already messing everything up?
I see the rules keep changing.

Thankfully, I haven't had a chance to participate yet.

I've been watching you guys run the contest from the start, but it wouldn't hurt for you two to share some screenshots.

So first of all, there's this:

Bitcointalk Username: the rise
BSC Wallet Address : 0xCD2cc6851E86eaEd6f8FEEd6c73b3Ee378e3921d

Gonna add these here for completion:

#Proof Of Authentication
Forum Username: greekcomunity
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2816789
Telegram Username: @greekc
...
BSC Wallet Address: 0x8bFb00f0b9FA9aC6c5C66358BDC5B5E98810F2A2

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: eXtremal
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=299135
Telegram Username: @eXtremal12
Participated Campaigns: Signature
BSC wallet address: 0xD36b77238AD89b46AB86Be85991Ed2226F57F4Db

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: Blowon
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=871585
Telegram Username: @blowonn
Participated Campaigns: Signature
Bsc wallet address: 0xa26535c2433195F889C561d6D3C798Db1de79649

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: kojektea
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=322463
Telegram Username: @kojektea
Participated Campaigns: Signature
Bsc wallet address: 0xfb6f7eFFBF2649A8E4137c4BD054f9677942BF7d

#Proof of authentication
Bitcointalk username: ohanb
Bitcointalk Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1793487
Campaign: Twitter, Facebook
Telegram: @gozins
ETH Address: 0x79d4D4d7E63D7f77EbBCF55928cc36c51A27B989

Bitcointalk Username:asyakashi
BSC Wallet Address: 0xA43325054236644fF206717eF64D5266a2d63a61

#Proof of authentication
...
Telegram username @azwaliyah
Eth Address :0x8F5706C0De7775910F8E593f60d50897C43E7f0c

Bitcointalk Username : lvsca
...
BSC Address : 0xf0dB3209370080245853eC89AD007CB0Dc33eaD6

There are scores of transfers between these address, like these ones:





Here they are all sending BNB to the same Binance deposit address:



Not to mention they frequently fund one another:





The following accounts have transactions to or from this address:
Blowon
eXtremal
the rise
greekcommunity
asyakashi
kojektea
Innerpumper

Oh and would you look at this:



Double oops:

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: lvsca
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=721731
Telegram Username: @regar123
..

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Bitcointalk Username: greekcomunity
Telegram Username: @regar123
...

Finally, several of these accounts have been cheating in the same contests for years:

Chips.gg | BTC Price Prediction | Prize- $100 | No deposit, No wagering| 15/07
greekcommunity
the rise
kojektea
asyakashi

WOLF.BET ⭐️ Lucky Number 3rd Edition ⭐️19 Prizes 🍀 $100 Prize pool 🍀 29 Days
greekcommunity
Blowon
lvsca
eXtremal
kojektea

Finally finally, the merit transfers between these accounts are pretty abundant:

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=lvsca
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=the%20rise
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=kojektea



There is no doubt in my mind that all these accounts are operated by the same person, and I will be tagging all of them. There's also a few smaller accounts that I skipped, he can have fun building those up at the risk of them being exposed in the future.

There's nothing worse than an indignant cheater with a bad attitude.

[the rise]

Can buying and selling be a criminal offense too?

I have made many buying and selling transactions, so this is a disaster?

If I use the same address as them, that means I'm using 2 accounts.
I can provide more accurate evidence for everything

[the rise]

nutildah you have a good reputation, and you take advantage of activating everyone on the forum, when you feel there is competition

[LoyceV]

Is it ethical no matter the situation for the manager to join in a contest they are hosting? Even if given permission, should they have even thought about joining?

Back when I was running giveaways for Rollin (around 2016), I was often encouraged to join myself. I'm not sure if I did sometimes, but I do remember I said I don't like conflicts of interests. I tried to find evidence of it but couldn't confirm it. Either way, if you're not in the jury and can't influence the outcome, I'd say it's one of those "not great, not terrible" situations.

Is it ethical to message another managers clients trying to steal them with cheaper rates?

It depends I think competition isn't necessarily a bad thing. Counter question: is it ethical to charge your client too much and discourage competitors from trying to offer their services at a lower rate? I wouldn't want to be the cheapest anyway, I'd want to offer the best services. Competing on rates is just a race to the bottom. There's always someone in a low-income country that can do anything online for less money.

Rules shouldn't really be changed once contest starts!!

I like having this disclaimer in contests:

Rules
8. We reserve the right to change this giveaway at any moment, and to exclude people from the giveaway if we feel we need to do so.

It's hard to predict all possible scenarios, so if something unexpected happens, it might be necessary to change things. By adding this disclaimer as part of the rules, everyone knows it before joining. This should of course not lead to for instance cancelling every contest right before it ends, after people spend effort (and money) to join.

[xLays]

Please explain this @the rise.



1st post (deleted): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5536684.msg65534395#msg65534395 Posted by asyakashi

2nd post

-snip-

[LoyceV]

Please explain this @the rise.

Nutildah already confirmed they're alts. I'm just curious why anyone would accept shitposters into a signature campaign. He last earned Merit in 2022.

[kojektea]

The answer to your question is "no", and here's why: he's been running an account farm since 2017.

In the other thread, I thought it was odd how one of the "other" participants in the contest posted this in the thread:

Then what is your reason for block me, and changing the rules as you please?

I don't want any funds from either of you.

Then this guy showed up with an equally useless comment:

Why are you two arguing?

Aren't you two already messing everything up?
I see the rules keep changing.

Thankfully, I haven't had a chance to participate yet.

I've been watching you guys run the contest from the start, but it wouldn't hurt for you two to share some screenshots.

So first of all, there's this:

Bitcointalk Username: the rise
BSC Wallet Address : 0xCD2cc6851E86eaEd6f8FEEd6c73b3Ee378e3921d

Gonna add these here for completion:

#Proof Of Authentication
Forum Username: greekcomunity
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2816789
Telegram Username: @greekc
...
BSC Wallet Address: 0x8bFb00f0b9FA9aC6c5C66358BDC5B5E98810F2A2

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: eXtremal
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=299135
Telegram Username: @eXtremal12
Participated Campaigns: Signature
BSC wallet address: 0xD36b77238AD89b46AB86Be85991Ed2226F57F4Db

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: Blowon
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=871585
Telegram Username: @blowonn
Participated Campaigns: Signature
Bsc wallet address: 0xa26535c2433195F889C561d6D3C798Db1de79649

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: kojektea
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=322463
Telegram Username: @kojektea
Participated Campaigns: Signature
Bsc wallet address: 0xfb6f7eFFBF2649A8E4137c4BD054f9677942BF7d

#Proof of authentication
Bitcointalk username: ohanb
Bitcointalk Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1793487
Campaign: Twitter, Facebook
Telegram: @gozins
ETH Address: 0x79d4D4d7E63D7f77EbBCF55928cc36c51A27B989

Bitcointalk Username:asyakashi
BSC Wallet Address: 0xA43325054236644fF206717eF64D5266a2d63a61

#Proof of authentication
...
Telegram username @azwaliyah
Eth Address :0x8F5706C0De7775910F8E593f60d50897C43E7f0c

Bitcointalk Username : lvsca
...
BSC Address : 0xf0dB3209370080245853eC89AD007CB0Dc33eaD6

There are scores of transfers between these address, like these ones:





Here they are all sending BNB to the same Binance deposit address:



Not to mention they frequently fund one another:





The following accounts have transactions to or from this address:
Blowon
eXtremal
the rise
greekcommunity
asyakashi
kojektea
Innerpumper

Oh and would you look at this:



Double oops:

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: lvsca
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=721731
Telegram Username: @regar123
..

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Bitcointalk Username: greekcomunity
Telegram Username: @regar123
...

Finally, several of these accounts have been cheating in the same contests for years:

Chips.gg | BTC Price Prediction | Prize- $100 | No deposit, No wagering| 15/07
greekcommunity
the rise
kojektea
asyakashi

WOLF.BET ⭐️ Lucky Number 3rd Edition ⭐️19 Prizes 🍀 $100 Prize pool 🍀 29 Days
greekcommunity
Blowon
lvsca
eXtremal
kojektea

Finally finally, the merit transfers between these accounts are pretty abundant:

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=lvsca
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=the%20rise
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=kojektea



There is no doubt in my mind that all these accounts are operated by the same person, and I will be tagging all of them. There's also a few smaller accounts that I skipped, he can have fun building those up at the risk of them being exposed in the future.

There's nothing worse than an indignant cheater with a bad attitude.

Hi, please remove that mark from me. I have made transactions with him. I even know Therise. We are in the same group in the bounty community. He opened a direct exchange to a local bank.

[JollyGood]

The contest owner can make the rules that all participants would have to abide by. If part of that process allows for the manager to participate, then for many members that might not be a problem if the manager has zero control/influence over the outcome. Some members probably would disagree with the notion of a manager participating in a campaign they're running. I suppose it would depend on how the winner is selected.

I just read the topic from DragonSlots and unfortunately didn't get to post in the topic and share my opinion so I opened this to ask a few questions about the said manager and their ethics.

Is it ethical no matter the situation for the manager to join in a contest they are hosting? Even if given permission, should they have even thought about joining?
Is it ethical to message another managers client

[nutildah]

Hi, please remove that mark from me. I have made transactions with him. I even know Therise. We are in the same group in the bounty community. He opened a direct exchange to a local bank.

Hi, no.

https://ninjastic.space/post/56162393
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg55750484#msg55750484

[the rise]

The contest owner can make the rules that all participants would have to abide by. If part of that process allows for the manager to participate, then for many members that might not be a problem if the manager has zero control/influence over the outcome. Some members probably would disagree with the notion of a manager participating in a campaign they're running. I suppose it would depend on how the winner is selected.

I just read the topic from DragonSlots and unfortunately didn't get to post in the topic and share my opinion so I opened this to ask a few questions about the said manager and their ethics.

Is it ethical no matter the situation for the manager to join in a contest they are hosting? Even if given permission, should they have even thought about joining?
Is it ethical to message another managers client

he initially said
withdrawal requires 40x wager, the next day he played the words "The 40x applies only if a player accepts and uses our welcome bonus. But if a player simply registers using the promo code, receives the 10 free spins and access to the next contests without accepting the welcome bonus (which is optional), they can withdraw their money at any time without any wagering requirements "


he accused me of insulting them, i don't know and i didn't do it, maybe he has proof of something