The Slot Machine money Glitch

[Hispo]

In a situation like that it is better to win right enough to stay under the radar. Don’t be greedy. Ignoring the machine error completely doesn’t make sense as you probably won’t understand what was happening right away and you won some without knowing about it. That’s your honest prize. After that, it is wise to leave quietly let it be some other guy’s problem. If you keep playing and try to bankrupt the casino, then you’ll have a problem like the guy in the story. I don’t recommend it. That’s where it gets problematic. I don’t think the dude has a solid case here. The casino might let him keep some of the money he won though just because it is expensive to hire lawyers.

Most of the stories I have read about people abusing a exploit or glitch while gambling have a bad ending for the them and the casino's integrity is always untouched. In the end, casinos and bookies are businesses, so they will keep a close eye to any abnormal activity going on their machines and the number of times a single gambler has managed to win in a single session, if that rate of winning does not make sense according to the edge of the house and the laws of chances, then they will quickly investigate, check their cameras to identify the gambler, have a look at the machine itself and then, as soon as they realize they have lose money because of a malfunction, sue the person who abused the glitch/exploit. In the worst case scenario, if the abuse happens in a third world country, the person who abused of the machine and pocketed the money may get killed.

It is better just not to think about exploits and bugs and instead check if the casino's we gamble on have a program to reward those who responsibly disclose those problems to the staff of the website.

[Nwada001]

Those guys saw an opportunity and took it; only a few will be able to resist such. It's not as if they broke any rules. If you are playing on a slot machine and the machine is facing any glitch that causes you to be losing on a streak, the company will identify that there will be more and more losses to gamblers, and the possibility of them getting their money back will be limited. Those guys were too greedy, but I don't consider them to have committed any offense.

[Davidvictorson]

But I guess their is still the consequences for this two individuals as they have disappeared and stay quiet.

The major consequences that I can think of is that the casino where that happened will banned the players for life. Aside that nothing else. As for the casino where it happened, some heads will roll particularly those who were in charge of the checking the slot machine for any glitch but failed to note this. In addition, more tighter measures for their players.

[Accardo]

This has been the usual way things have been, when you gamble and lose, you don't sue the gambling platform, while if you play a bet and win, then they see you as a celebrity, because you won big amount and they have to recognize for that, but if you lose big, then everything dies in silent without a compensation or any form of recognition, isn't it then better that we should gamble more responsibly than facing the wrath of our mistakes at wrong expectancies.

Gamers who had direct punishment regarding a win lose integrity for the casino and wouldn't try to go ahead with their services anymore. However, it's always like a fight between both the player and the house, but the casino wins in two sides. You know nobody survives a front and back attack. That's what the house uses to beat players all the time. So, it's left for the gamer to focus mostly on enjoying the scene than take it as a way of retaliating. The casino is in business for years and could punish gamers to keep it in shape.

[Altryist]

In relation to the topic that I open here, If You Knew a Game Was Rigged, will you continue to play and exploit the system?. There is another very interesting case that fall under this topic.

It was, that two people found a glitch in a slot machine and won a lot of money. But the Nevada Gaming and Feds investigated it and they sue this two people. The complete story is here:



The case against them was thrown out because it was not proven that they cheated, they didn't hacked or tampered the machine. It was played as designed, this individuals push the button was part of the machines native interface. No law prohibited a player from switching games increasing a bet or pressing double-up the machine was flawed.

But I guess their is still the consequences for this two individuals as they have disappeared and stay quiet.

Sometimes the system may not work perfectly, so there are people who manage to find such loopholes to use them. They just happened to be in the right place at the right time and managed to take advantage of it. On the other hand, the casino does not like it when they are deceived, even if they were defined by law as people who did not violate anything, I think that the casino has other ways to achieve its goals, not quite within the framework of the law, so for these players everything is not so simple.

[dimonstration]

Sometimes the system may not work perfectly, so there are people who manage to find such loopholes to use them. They just happened to be in the right place at the right time and managed to take advantage of it. On the other hand, the casino does not like it when they are deceived, even if they were defined by law as people who did not violate anything, I think that the casino has other ways to achieve its goals, not quite within the framework of the law, so for these players everything is not so simple.

It’s not everyday we can witness a loophole like this especially on physical casino that is heavily monitored all their games to avoid this kind of loopholes. I believe casino has the right to confiscate the profit made if there’s a proven exploit on their device since they can just submit it to the judge as evidence.

Trial court is fair both parties which judge consider the casino side too. But on this case perhaps there’s no substantial evidence of cheating that’s why casino loss.

It’s possible that casino is just using an excuse to get back their loss.

[stompix]

Exploiting a game is the same as hacking a wallet.
I don't think being not guilty is the same as being dismissed. I think there have been obviously guilty parties which have had their case dismissed in the past because of nonsense buerocratic stuff like the defendant never had his miranda rights read to him or something..

It has been dismissed exactly because it was no hacking!
Pressing buttons on a machine that only has those buttons is not hacking, it was what the court ruled, so not only were they not guilty of the crime, the crime didn't exist in the first place.

What I mean is that these individuals could have been blacklisted in all of the casinos in the United States. So it's either they go outside in European cities wherein there was that slot machine that they exploit and not have been patched yet by the provider, or just feel off the radar and didn't play at all.

Don't know about you, but keeping each at least $500k after expenses and trial is a good exchange for getting blacklisted from casinos.
Give me those 500k and I will take the ban smiling.

[btc_angela]

But I guess their is still the consequences for this two individuals as they have disappeared and stay quiet.

The major consequences that I can think of is that the casino where that happened will banned the players for life. Aside that nothing else. As for the casino where it happened, some heads will roll particularly those who were in charge of the checking the slot machine for any glitch but failed to note this. In addition, more tighter measures for their players.

It's more on the provider itself, I was once a QA and so it's a failure for them to not able to run this kind of testing and simulate every possible combination. Or maybe the developer as well as the code was flawed in the beginning.

And as a result of this, tighter measures for the casino. Maybe they will have to review everything after a couple of times that a certain slot machine is giving up money just like that. In the end, the two as you have said might have been banned for life in every casino in the US.

[Lida93]

But I guess their is still the consequences for this two individuals as they have disappeared and stay quiet.

If there was any consequences placed on them from the entire event as you presented, the court would have been the one in the position to spell out any consequences if there was, but it seems the court has nothing to convict them for. Since they clearly stated that the machine wasn't tampered with or hacked then it could be said in the other way around that those two persons were just lucky to be at the right gambling place with the right slot machine at the right time. A coincidence case.

[Lannakosa]

If there was any consequences placed on them from the entire event as you presented, the court would have been the one in the position to spell out any consequences if there was, but it seems the court has nothing to convict them for. Since they clearly stated that the machine wasn't tampered with or hacked then it could be said in the other way around that those two persons were just lucky to be at the right gambling place with the right slot machine at the right time. A coincidence case.

If they can't be accused of anything by law, they can keep all this money, but now everything will depend on the casino and the amount they managed to win. If this is a significant amount for the casino, then this story may not be over yet and they will try to return this money, especially if the casino believes that the players have behaved unfairly towards them. But how possible this will be now is also questionable, if the amount is large for the player, then he can change his place of residence, change the country and it will be difficult to find him.

[Lida93]

If there was any consequences placed on them from the entire event as you presented, the court would have been the one in the position to spell out any consequences if there was, but it seems the court has nothing to convict them for. Since they clearly stated that the machine wasn't tampered with or hacked then it could be said in the other way around that those two persons were just lucky to be at the right gambling place with the right slot machine at the right time. A coincidence case.

If they can't be accused of anything by law, they can keep all this money, but now everything will depend on the casino and the amount they managed to win. If this is a significant amount for the casino, then this story may not be over yet and they will try to return this money, especially if the casino believes that the players have behaved unfairly towards them. But how possible this will be now is also questionable, if the amount is large for the player, then he can change his place of residence, change the country and it will be difficult to find him.

Since they have taken the case to court in the first place then it's obvious they have a full identity of who the players are, so changing residence won't stop them from being found if the casino wants to find them.  But in the main time the casino don't appear to have a strong charge against them even after taking them to court. If they casino decides to drag the case further they might not win because there's no evidence these guys played on their intelligence or won by violating any policy. Except they want to twist the law.

[Alphakilo]

It was, that two people found a glitch in a slot machine and won a lot of money. But the Nevada Gaming and Feds investigated it and they sue this two people. 

The casino has to answer some legal questions like on what legal grounds were those two gamblers even arrested if they didn’t hack, tamper, or do anything outside the machine’s design? and what regulation allows  land based casinos to sue players in this type of case? If there is, I would say that it is not fair because it is the casino's fault and not that of the players.

And for the gamblers, how do they protect themselves in these type of situation? Is there a legal way to do this aside waiting for the casino to first sue them?

[Sandra_hakeem]

In relation to the topic that I open here, If You Knew a Game Was Rigged, will you continue to play and exploit the system?. There is another very interesting case that fall under this topic.
It was, that two people found a glitch in a slot machine and won a lot of money. But the Nevada Gaming and Feds investigated it and they sue this two people. The complete story is here:
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My comment on the previous topic suggested clearly what the fate of a common man would be, against a casino. "Everyone has voice, but money makes yours louder than the rest" -- it's a cruel world we live in, but there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. I feel like if they had taken the turnover into consideration, acting fast to leave the site after several tries and multiple wins, maybe they wouldn't have had any sentence at all.

But I guess their is still the consequences for this two individuals as they have disappeared and stay quiet.

If the case was thrown out, why have they not been heard since then? By what you mean consequences, do you feel the casinos took laws into their hands to abduct them (allegedly)?

[rachael9385]

If they have been put into court and got into trial and dismissed, it means that they're clear. They have no problem with that but the negligence of the casino is the reason why it happened. Usually, this is what will happen when a casino can't accept defeat and they thought that they've been cheated out by their players. But if the player has been cheated by them, online or physical one, it will be an easy verdict and the balance that they have won't be distributed anymore. Plus they get a ban and removable of access to them.

I think the casino are looking for every means to pin this on them because they cannot afford to lose, if it got hacked I'm sure they would have being able to provide strong evidence but for the fact that it was a glitch it crippled their complains but they are not just going to let the person walk away knowing that he didn't win legally. If the case was dismissed in court the casino might think of other ways to tackle it

[Powerjumboo]

In relation to the topic that I open here, If You Knew a Game Was Rigged, will you continue to play and exploit the system?. There is another very interesting case that fall under this topic.

It was, that two people found a glitch in a slot machine and won a lot of money. But the Nevada Gaming and Feds investigated it and they sue this two people. The complete story is here:



The case against them was thrown out because it was not proven that they cheated, they didn't hacked or tampered the machine. It was played as designed, this individuals push the button was part of the machines native interface. No law prohibited a player from switching games increasing a bet or pressing double-up the machine was flawed.

But I guess their is still the consequences for this two individuals as they have disappeared and stay quiet.

The real mystery behind the dismissal of the case may be hidden because when the two men were playing games on the slot machine and they were taking all the money, they probably hacked the slot machine device. Here, they might have been found guilty in the case, as a result of which everything about the slot machine would have been leaked to the people and people would not have believed in slot machines anymore, so they understood everything and dismissed the case. However, if the matter was investigated thoroughly, the real mystery might have come out. It is also mentioned here that the two men are still silent and have disappeared.

[Dave1]

Don't know about you, but keeping each at least $500k after expenses and trial is a good exchange for getting blacklisted from casinos.
Give me those 500k and I will take the ban smiling.

I also don't know where you from mate, but $500k? It's not even enough for a year here. And we all know that gamblers will be gamblers, so that money will be thought to be used for gambling again.

But if you have lifetime ban from the US, so the best way is to play oversees. However, maybe this casinos are sharing all the information even across the globe like Europe if either one of them wants to gamble there and so they will still be identified.

Unless they suddenly become investment savvy and put that money into stocks or any other assets.

[summonerrk]

The real mystery behind the dismissal of the case may be hidden because when the two men were playing games on the slot machine and they were taking all the money, they probably hacked the slot machine device. Here, they might have been found guilty in the case, as a result of which everything about the slot machine would have been leaked to the people and people would not have believed in slot machines anymore, so they understood everything and dismissed the case. However, if the matter was investigated thoroughly, the real mystery might have come out. It is also mentioned here that the two men are still silent and have disappeared.

You are right and often the guilt of any person can be determined without even revealing his actual crime, but simply by looking at how he behaves in a situation where an accusation is made against him.
Even in the days of the FBI, there was a psychological trick known that if a person is accused of something, you need to look at his reaction:
an innocent person starts to get angry, and a guilty person starts to justify himself.

It's the same here - why should these guys hide and be quiet if they consider themselves innocent? Just let them publicly prove their innocence.

[stompix]

Don't know about you, but keeping each at least $500k after expenses and trial is a good exchange for getting blacklisted from casinos.
Give me those 500k and I will take the ban smiling.

I also don't know where you from mate, but $500k? It's not even enough for a year here. And we all know that gamblers will be gamblers, so that money will be thought to be used for gambling again.

$500k not enough for a year? Lol!
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html
Average wage in 2023 was $66k, you're looking at 8 years of average wage in a go, not to mention that this happened in 2009 when the median wage was 33k, so 15 years of median wage. Also median wage in Germany is 50k euros, so about 9 years of payments. Seriously, where do you live, Buckingham?

Or are you going to tell me you made more than $500k from gambling?

[o48o]

It has been dismissed exactly because it was no hacking!
Pressing buttons on a machine that only has those buttons is not hacking, it was what the court ruled, so not only were they not guilty of the crime, the crime didn't exist in the first place.

Even though it's been determined by the court, i would somewhat disagree with that, because it's a gray area.

I have hacked things in the past without inserting any malware or code. In early 2000 i found a way to make free prepaid calls. This exploit wasn't even patched by the company, but the whole company was shut down. It was an obvious exploit to anyone stumbling into it.

I would argue that "hacking" is something where you make a machine do something that it wasn't intended to do. Whether it's done digitally via code or physically with 3rd party components or by pressing buttons, it's still hacking.

[Iroh]

I think the casino are looking for every means to pin this on them because they cannot afford to lose, if it got hacked I'm sure they would have being able to provide strong evidence but for the fact that it was a glitch it crippled their complains but they are not just going to let the person walk away knowing that he didn't win legally. If the case was dismissed in court the casino might think of other ways to tackle it

Of course the casino would try every means(mostly legal ones) it has at its disposal to get back the money the house lost. I wouldnt expect otherwise. But in this case, their hands are mostly tied as they've got no case on court anyways against those folks. That's why the case got literally dismissed. No proof of any wrong doing.
The casino has already placed bans on the individuals. They've done what they could legally do and that should be the end of it. They're still going to recoup the money lost soon enough.