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[leonair]

If your country is restricted by the casino, then you are not supposed to bypass the geo-restriction by using a VPN. Even if a casino representative tells you that it’s okay to do so, don’t do it. Just forget about that casino and try to find a better one.
I don’t know why some people take the risk of playing at a restricted casino, deposit a huge amount of money and believe they will get away with it!
If a casino says they don’t welcome players from your jurisdiction, then just leave it. It’s as simple as that.

Maybe the person wants to play at a restricted casino just chasing bonuses or has confidence in winning at the casino, and indeed we never know the exact reason why so insist on playing at a restricted casino.

But wait this feels so wrong, it's like the casinos are tricking users from restricted locations into making deposits and later blocking it because they are from restriction location . To be honest I have never heard of such case. Unintentional playing from a restricted place can be normal, as many people doesn't read the tos properly, but getting blocked after the representative assures you nothing will happen is not acceptable! Can you point to such cases?

For me, I have the opposite situations here! The law of my country prohibits gambling, but many online casinos still allows it, creating a gray area.

Some platforms allow people from restricted countries to gamble here. Especially casino platforms never prevent them from using VPN. I have seen on stake that if they do not allow a user to gamble on their platform, if that user somehow makes a deposit there, then his deposit is returned. I once submitted kyc and made a deposit there but they rejected me because I did not provide a clear picture of my document and I was not allowed to gamble but I was allowed to withdraw my balance. However, not all casino sites will give such an opportunity because reading TOS is very important.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Some platforms allow people from restricted countries to gamble here. Especially casino platforms never prevent them from using VPN. I have seen on stake that if they do not allow a user to gamble on their platform, if that user somehow makes a deposit there, then his deposit is returned. I once submitted kyc and made a deposit there but they rejected me because I did not provide a clear picture of my document and I was not allowed to gamble but I was allowed to withdraw my balance. However, not all casino sites will give such an opportunity because reading TOS is very important.

This should more be like the standard procedure
1. Banned Jurisdiction - Refund of deposit
2. Failed KYC - refund of deposit
Infact most traditional exchanges do this. They won't hold onto your funds just because you are from a banned jurisdiction. They will just put your account on withdrawal mode only and tell you to get your funds out.

[Sanitough]

This should more be like the standard procedure
1. Banned Jurisdiction - Refund of deposit
2. Failed KYC - refund of deposit
Infact most traditional exchanges do this. They won't hold onto your funds just because you are from a banned jurisdiction. They will just put your account on withdrawal mode only and tell you to get your funds out.

Stake is very strict when it comes to KYC for a casino, almost the same standard as most reputable exchanges. If we really want to gamble, there are plenty of other options since many casinos still allow play without KYC. That part isn’t really the issue, just look around here.

The real problem is when a casino accepts a deposit first, then later freezes the funds by saying the user violated the TOS, like accessing from a restricted jurisdiction. Using Stake as an example, they should at least follow a clear and consistent protocol. Yes, they still have the right to confiscate funds if the user clearly broke the rules they agreed to, but the process also matters.

[khaled0111]

But wait this feels so wrong, it's like the casinos are tricking users from restricted locations into making deposits and later blocking it because they are from restriction location . To be honest I have never heard of such case. Unintentional playing from a restricted place can be normal, as many people doesn't read the tos properly, but getting blocked after the representative assures you nothing will happen is not acceptable! Can you point to such cases?

Why do you think so? If the restricted countries are clearly listed in the casino's ToS, then there’s no trickery or any thing like that as it’s the user’s responsibility to read the terms and abide by them. And sorry if I’m missing something, but when did the OP or the casino’s official representative say that it’s ok to use a VPN to play from a restricted country?

For me, I have the opposite situations here! The law of my country prohibits gambling, but many online casinos still allows it, creating a gray area.

Make sure to read the terms carefully, as some casinos, aside from listing the restricted countries, they also add a clause giving them the right to ban users from countries where gambling is prohibited.

[gunhell16]

This should more be like the standard procedure
1. Banned Jurisdiction - Refund of deposit
2. Failed KYC - refund of deposit
Infact most traditional exchanges do this. They won't hold onto your funds just because you are from a banned jurisdiction. They will just put your account on withdrawal mode only and tell you to get your funds out.

Stake is very strict when it comes to KYC for a casino, almost the same standard as most reputable exchanges. If we really want to gamble, there are plenty of other options since many casinos still allow play without KYC. That part isn’t really the issue, just look around here.

The real problem is when a casino accepts a deposit first, then later freezes the funds by saying the user violated the TOS, like accessing from a restricted jurisdiction. Using Stake as an example, they should at least follow a clear and consistent protocol. Yes, they still have the right to confiscate funds if the user clearly broke the rules they agreed to, but the process also matters.

Well, about that, I can’t say what you’re saying isn’t true. I think it’s not only Stake that has strict rules when it comes to KYC submissions. But as long as you can provide what they need and you know you’re not violating any of their rules, you also won’t have any problems on their platform.

As for other casinos, I’m not really sure because most of the casinos I use for gambling have been operating in the crypto space for a long time, and I don’t use casinos that seem like they might have bad intentions. Although I do try some new ones sometimes, they seem fine as well, especially since they’re managed by reputable managers here on the forum.

[stadus]

I think it’s not only Stake that has strict rules when it comes to KYC submissions.

In this forum, I believe only Stake has implemented something like this. If you make a deposit and don’t pass KYC, your account stays at level 1 and is put into withdrawal mode. That means you can’t play, you can only take your money out and go somewhere else.

I think this started when they entered the US market. They now have Stake.us, and they probably don’t want to mess with regulations. Being compliant in that market requires huge capital and a lot of work just to get approved, so it makes sense they became much stricter.

[OcTradism]

In this forum, I believe only Stake has implemented something like this. If you make a deposit and don’t pass KYC, your account stays at level 1 and is put into withdrawal mode. That means you can’t play, you can only take your money out and go somewhere else.

I think this started when they entered the US market. They now have Stake.us, and they probably don’t want to mess with regulations. Being compliant in that market requires huge capital and a lot of work just to get approved, so it makes sense they became much stricter.

I believe the standard of KYC flow and available features for accounts will be changed, to be more restrictive in the future.

Like now, you can register an account, don't do KYC, but are able to fund your account. In the future, I believe that you will only be able to get your addressses for deposit if you pass KYC, at least basic KYC.

This strict term on KYC before users are allowed to fund accounts already enforced on many centralized exchanges. Because it costs the company resources to return deposits from non-KYC accounts to users. It's truly unnecessary task for any company staffs and resources to do.

[stadus]

In this forum, I believe only Stake has implemented something like this. If you make a deposit and don’t pass KYC, your account stays at level 1 and is put into withdrawal mode. That means you can’t play, you can only take your money out and go somewhere else.

I think this started when they entered the US market. They now have Stake.us, and they probably don’t want to mess with regulations. Being compliant in that market requires huge capital and a lot of work just to get approved, so it makes sense they became much stricter.

I believe the standard of KYC flow and available features for accounts will be changed, to be more restrictive in the future.

Like now, you can register an account, don't do KYC, but are able to fund your account. In the future, I believe that you will only be able to get your addressses for deposit if you pass KYC, at least basic KYC.

For sure there will be changes in the future, because regulations aren’t fixed. I even read a post here in the gambling discussion where a user complained about being asked for new KYC even though he already submitted one a few years ago. That just shows they’re updating their rules too, and we don’t really have a choice but to comply.

As for KYC requirements and how strict they’re enforced, it still depends on where the license is acquired.

This strict term on KYC before users are allowed to fund accounts already enforced on many centralized exchanges. Because it costs the company resources to return deposits from non-KYC accounts to users. It's truly unnecessary task for any company staffs and resources to do.

Everything now is automated. Casinos can charge fees on withdrawals for certain transactions, so they still make a bit of profit there. They can even charge more than the actual transaction cost if they want.

[arwin100]

In this forum, I believe only Stake has implemented something like this. If you make a deposit and don’t pass KYC, your account stays at level 1 and is put into withdrawal mode. That means you can’t play, you can only take your money out and go somewhere else.

I think this started when they entered the US market. They now have Stake.us, and they probably don’t want to mess with regulations. Being compliant in that market requires huge capital and a lot of work just to get approved, so it makes sense they became much stricter.

I believe the standard of KYC flow and available features for accounts will be changed, to be more restrictive in the future.

Like now, you can register an account, don't do KYC, but are able to fund your account. In the future, I believe that you will only be able to get your addressses for deposit if you pass KYC, at least basic KYC.

This strict term on KYC before users are allowed to fund accounts already enforced on many centralized exchanges. Because it costs the company resources to return deposits from non-KYC accounts to users. It's truly unnecessary task for any company staffs and resources to do.

I expect this to happen since before some platforms only ask basic requirements for KYC and now there are some sort of changes happening. Some platforms right now ask selfie together with your id to verify your real identity. Maybe this situation happen due to lots of identity thief cases and they want to avoid that fraudulent actions that's why they raise up their requirements.

Those situation might also happen to most of the casinos since regulation now became more stricter and provably will order to intensify the requirements especially for user usually deposit also withdraw huge amount of money in casinos.

[stadus]

Some platforms right now ask selfie together with your id to verify your real identity. Maybe this situation happen due to lots of identity thief cases and they want to avoid that fraudulent actions that's why they raise up their requirements.

Those situation might also happen to most of the casinos since regulation now became more stricter and provably will order to intensify the requirements especially for user usually deposit also withdraw huge amount of money in casinos.

That’s how advanced KYC verification works now. It’s not like the old days where you just filled out an online form and uploaded documents that matched what you typed. Today, you’re required to take a selfie while holding the documents. That alone makes it much harder to cheat.

Your face is already stored on their servers, so if an investigation happens later, it’s easy for casinos and even authorities to identify who’s really behind the account. That’s why people who allow their KYC to be used by others just to get paid should really think twice. The risk there is very high.

[Zwei]

Your face is already stored on their servers, so if an investigation happens later, it’s easy for casinos and even authorities to identify who’s really behind the account. That’s why people who allow their KYC to be used by others just to get paid should really think twice. The risk there is very high.

i don't think anyone who sells his KYC info cares about the risks, they just want some quick money.
i watched a crime documentary on something like this, and scammers/fraudsters would just buy KYC from homeless people or drug addicts and have them do the selfie and video verification for like $100 or even lower depending on the country.

[khaled0111]

That’s how advanced KYC verification works now. It’s not like the old days where you just filled out an online form and uploaded documents that matched what you typed. Today, you’re required to take a selfie while holding the documents. That alone makes it much harder to cheat.

I don’t know when was the last time that user verified his identity, but these days, when a service asks you to verify your identity, you can be sure they won’t just ask you to submit your documents. In 99% of cases, they will also ask you to take a selfie not only holding your id, but you may also be required to hold a piece of paper showing, in handwritten, your username and the current date.
If they only ask you to upload your documents, then you can consider yourself lucky.

[ryzaadit]

even lower depending on the country.

10$ or maybe less in some third country.

Chasing some people who are boomers, lack of internet or technology information. They mostly living in village, and in my country some people do these. Selling ID is also easy and cheaps + my country ID seems not strong enough cause to much leaks data in online source too.

But, If you ask me. We can get around 10$ in here.

[OcTradism]

For sure there will be changes in the future, because regulations aren’t fixed. I even read a post here in the gambling discussion where a user complained about being asked for new KYC even though he already submitted one a few years ago. That just shows they’re updating their rules too, and we don’t really have a choice but to comply.

As for KYC requirements and how strict they’re enforced, it still depends on where the license is acquired.

When governments need new money resources, they will change their regulations, laws very quickly especially in countries without democracy. Even in democrat nations, if governments generally want change, they can vote dominantly for such policy changes at national scale, not only state scale.

KYC is a magic powerful tool for governments to trace money flows of their citizens, get more money from citizen tax, and can fill their governmental budget annually. They all know that is a powerful and efficient tool so that they will not ignore it for their benefits. We all have to be aware about it, prepare for our personal adaptation for more taxation policy changes in upcoming years. It will be enforeced from centralized exchanges to online casinos, which are all have to obey newest existing laws and regulations.

[pusaka]

Your face is already stored on their servers, so if an investigation happens later, it’s easy for casinos and even authorities to identify who’s really behind the account. That’s why people who allow their KYC to be used by others just to get paid should really think twice. The risk there is very high.

i don't think anyone who sells his KYC info cares about the risks, they just want some quick money.
i watched a crime documentary on something like this, and scammers/fraudsters would just buy KYC from homeless people or drug addicts and have them do the selfie and video verification for like $100 or even lower depending on the country.

I will flat out refuse if anyone offers me money to do KYC for their account. However, there are many people who are willing to give their KYC information just for a small amount of money.

Even in my country there are those who sell their e wallet for 50k idr, if converted into dollars it's not even up to $4. It's true that they have been blinded by a small amount of money. And of those who do that are most of those who like to gamble and the money they use to gamble. They don't think about what the risks will be.

[Dave1]

Your face is already stored on their servers, so if an investigation happens later, it’s easy for casinos and even authorities to identify who’s really behind the account. That’s why people who allow their KYC to be used by others just to get paid should really think twice. The risk there is very high.

i don't think anyone who sells his KYC info cares about the risks, they just want some quick money.
i watched a crime documentary on something like this, and scammers/fraudsters would just buy KYC from homeless people or drug addicts and have them do the selfie and video verification for like $100 or even lower depending on the country.

I will flat out refuse if anyone offers me money to do KYC for their account. However, there are many people who are willing to give their KYC information just for a small amount of money.

Even in my country there are those who sell their e wallet for 50k idr, if converted into dollars it's not even up to $4. It's true that they have been blinded by a small amount of money. And of those who do that are most of those who like to gamble and the money they use to gamble. They don't think about what the risks will be.

That is the sad part though, there are individuals who are willing to sell their information just for a measly dollars. I remember years ago, even prior to the crypto thingy with KYC. This person was referred to me by a friend.

But from the looks of it, I don't trust that guy. Not saying because of the color of his skin, but I smell something fishy with that kind of transaction. And so later I found out that this guy or their group are scammers and using others personal info to withdraw their loot. Good thing that I didn't go that far even if I needed that money during that hard times of my life.

[wmaurik]

Some platforms allow people from restricted countries to gamble here. Especially casino platforms never prevent them from using VPN. I have seen on stake that if they do not allow a user to gamble on their platform, if that user somehow makes a deposit there, then his deposit is returned. I once submitted kyc and made a deposit there but they rejected me because I did not provide a clear picture of my document and I was not allowed to gamble but I was allowed to withdraw my balance. However, not all casino sites will give such an opportunity because reading TOS is very important.

It's just a minor issue due to region-specific restrictions, but I think SHOCK.COM allows you to use it more comfortably without any issues. I've accessed the site without a VPN, even for just one day, because after that day, I used a VPN when I wanted to access it again. And I don't think this is a serious issue, as every user can still do whatever they want, even if they have to use other tools like a VPN. So, what matters here is the absence of restrictions and the comfort of gambling on this site.

[tbct_mt2]

It's just a minor issue due to region-specific restrictions, but I think SHOCK.COM allows you to use it more comfortably without any issues. I've accessed the site without a VPN, even for just one day, because after that day, I used a VPN when I wanted to access it again. And I don't think this is a serious issue, as every user can still do whatever they want, even if they have to use other tools like a VPN. So, what matters here is the absence of restrictions and the comfort of gambling on this site.

It's case to case, nation by nation, so you can access the site without VPN does not mean the other users can do the same. There is national restriction most likely but there is possible regional restrictions too. The user must contact support of Shock team here and by launching their announcement thread and also a signature campaign, I believe they will be actively in this community, and can help him with this issue.

Waiting for official reply from Shock team, and the person will know whether he is allowed to access and use Shock.

[Dave1]

Some platforms allow people from restricted countries to gamble here. Especially casino platforms never prevent them from using VPN. I have seen on stake that if they do not allow a user to gamble on their platform, if that user somehow makes a deposit there, then his deposit is returned. I once submitted kyc and made a deposit there but they rejected me because I did not provide a clear picture of my document and I was not allowed to gamble but I was allowed to withdraw my balance. However, not all casino sites will give such an opportunity because reading TOS is very important.

It's just a minor issue due to region-specific restrictions, but I think SHOCK.COM allows you to use it more comfortably without any issues. I've accessed the site without a VPN, even for just one day, because after that day, I used a VPN when I wanted to access it again. And I don't think this is a serious issue, as every user can still do whatever they want, even if they have to use other tools like a VPN. So, what matters here is the absence of restrictions and the comfort of gambling on this site.

It's a serious issue because once they found out that you are using VPN, they might ban your account outright because it's could be against their terms.

9.3. Fraudulent activity

Once shock.com becomes aware of fraudulent, unlawful, dishonest, or improper activity, we may block the user’s Account without notification, and the user forfeits all Account balances without prior notification. Fraudulent, unlawful, dishonest, or improper activity includes, but is not limited to: the use of a VPN, proxy, or similar service that masks or manipulates the identification of your real location; making bets, wagers, or poker play through a third party or on behalf of a third party. In such cases, shock.com reserves the right to report fraudulent activity to existing regulatory and law enforcement authorities as well as other parties, which include but are not limited to: banks, credit card companies, any person or entity that has the legal right to such information. We reserve the right to take legal action against such a user.

https://www.shock.com/policies/terms

So that is very clear here, so just be careful on using VPN. So it really depends on the casino itself as there are some who allow it's uses, while majority like Shock are not allowing it. So be very careful as you might have issues later if they found out that you are accessing their sites using VPN.

[OcTradism]

It's a serious issue because once they found out that you are using VPN, they might ban your account outright because it's could be against their terms.

9.3. Fraudulent activity

Once shock.com becomes aware of fraudulent, unlawful, dishonest, or improper activity, we may block the user’s Account without notification, and the user forfeits all Account balances without prior notification. Fraudulent, unlawful, dishonest, or improper activity includes, but is not limited to: the use of a VPN, proxy, or similar service that masks or manipulates the identification of your real location; making bets, wagers, or poker play through a third party or on behalf of a third party. In such cases, shock.com reserves the right to report fraudulent activity to existing regulatory and law enforcement authorities as well as other parties, which include but are not limited to: banks, credit card companies, any person or entity that has the legal right to such information. We reserve the right to take legal action against such a user.

https://www.shock.com/policies/terms

So that is very clear here, so just be careful on using VPN. So it really depends on the casino itself as there are some who allow it's uses, while majority like Shock are not allowing it. So be very careful as you might have issues later if they found out that you are accessing their sites using VPN.

It's very clear by quoting this term from Shock's ToS.

Consequences are not limit to account ban but also your account balance too so there are severe consequences of using VPN together with other not activities that are not tolerated by Shock casino. They wrote about violations clearly and publicly in the ToS, now it is also quoted here, therefore Shock casino customers must know about it if they are Bitcoin forum members, and read posts in this announcement thread. There is necessary reading directly on the Shock website and the casino ToS.