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December 18, 2025, 12:28:02 PM
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this question hits deep because a lot of people feel it daily. on paper we’re “progressing” — more tech, more productivity — but in real life it feels like we’re running faster just to stay in the same spot. cost of living keeps creeping up while wages barely breathe.

for many, it’s less about chasing freedom now and more about survival. work → pay bills → repeat. that’s where the frustration comes from. the system rewards output, not well-being.

bitcoin and similar ideas appeal because they offer at least some sense of opting out, or protecting future value. not a magic fix, but a signal that people are questioning the loop.

maybe the real answer is: most people start by living to work… and only a few manage to flip it to working to live. breaking that cycle takes intention, not

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December 18, 2025, 12:44:12 PM
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There is no choice for us to survive other than working, unless we are willing to exile ourselves to unexplored places and utilize natural resources. But even so, the truth is that we must still work in the sense that we must seek our needs even though we are completely dependent on nature.

It's our choice whether to go workaholic or work as much as we can. Well this depends on ourselves. And I would prefer to be workaholic in my youth for the purpose of being able to enjoy old age.
Isolating oneself in the countryside and utilizing agricultural land also requires labor, and one's ability to cultivate agricultural land to make it more productive depends on this. Many of us don't understand how to cultivate agricultural land more productively because we may have never done it before, so it requires specialized training in the sector. Working at a young age can be much more productive, and we can make specific plans to prepare for retirement. This must be done correctly so that the money we earn can be more productive.

If we work hard today to earn money but don't have a plan for retirement, that's no good either. But how can the money we earn now be more productive, such as by buying gold, building a business when ready, or investing in bitcoin? We can do all of this if we understand one of these, and the money we earn from work can be used to take advantage of the three opportunities I've outlined.

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December 18, 2025, 03:33:25 PM
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There is no choice for us to survive other than working, unless we are willing to exile ourselves to unexplored places and utilize natural resources. But even so, the truth is that we must still work in the sense that we must seek our needs even though we are completely dependent on nature.

It's our choice whether to go workaholic or work as much as we can. Well this depends on ourselves. And I would prefer to be workaholic in my youth for the purpose of being able to enjoy old age.

The thing is that most people these days (especially youngsters) want to live a comfortable life without working. In their "dream world", the government would pay for everything, while they sit back and relax. This wouldn't be sustainable in the long term. I mean, how are governments are going to get the money (taxes) if no one is contributing to the economy? Unless, AI takes care of everything and we'd be living on some sort of UBI (Universal Basic Income) system.

For now, we would have to work to help live a decent life. I hope the cost of living declines considerably soon. Otherwise, no one would be able to survive except for the rich. Perhaps, it's all part of the governments' plan?
No one wants to live a comfortable life without working, but we have to be more realistic in our outlook on life, because we are not in a dream world, we live in a world where reality is more bitter than what is desired.

I strongly criticize the lives of young people today, they have many choices in working and even they prefer to be unemployed rather than working but their work is not in accordance with what they want. Not all of them are like that, because there are still many who work hard, but some people I meet show that attitude and I really hate it when their attitude is like that.

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December 18, 2025, 04:36:08 PM
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Good question OP. Feels like most ppl start working to live, then slowly end up living to work. Bills, responsibilities, etc. Crypto kinda showed me there are other options, but it’s not magic. End of the day, balance matters more than grinding 24/7 imo.
Those that started working to live are better than those who have not start working because there are bills to settle to avoid disrespect and value in your environment, especially when you are planning to get marry because you have to work to gather enough funds that will reach you to carry out your marriage, and after marriage the bills will double up because you have to make everything available for your wife which is the responsibility of a  man in the house, for those that planned their life well will not worry about this high inflation that is increasing to cause high cost of living because they are sustaining from their hand work to Carter for themselves and their love ones, but those that ignored working to live will not have resources to Carter for their love ones because they are not working.

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December 18, 2025, 05:47:36 PM
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The Op does pose a good question whether to work to live or live to work. This is indeed difficult to answer because everyone has varying answers, both in economics and in our purpose in life according to religion. The answers will undoubtedly differ but what is clear is that in the current economic system we cannot survive without work because everything requires money even in big cities even defecating has to be paid.

So the point is we must find a balance between meeting financial needs working to live and living our daily lives living to work. Even in religion work can be a form of worship because it allows us to survive. Essentially both need to be balanced so that we don't lose sight of important aspects of life.

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December 18, 2025, 08:03:38 PM
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Working to live means we see work as a tool to earn income, meet our needs, and support a meaningful life. From this view, life, family, health, faith, and personal happiness come first, while work should serve these goals, not control them.

Living to work, on the other hand, means work gives life purpose and identity. Some people find fulfillment, achievement, and self-worth through their careers. Progress, innovation, and national development often come from people who dedicate a large part of their lives to their work.

 Ideally, there should be balance. We work to sustain life, but meaningful work can also give life direction. When work improves our quality of life without destroying our well-being, then work and life support each other, not compete.
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December 18, 2025, 11:08:18 PM
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This world's economic system is designed to deceive the common people. It is not possible for us to get out of it in any way, but we can only keep our wealth safe through Bitcoin holding from the absurd policies of the global economy where people are losing the value of their money day after day. Still, many common people are afraid to hold Bitcoin as an asset and do not believe it. this is their lack of knowledge. We should create wealth where we have our own freedom. In addition to investing in Bitcoin, gold can also be bought if someone wants diversification of wealth.

You can't make money with a working system and live the kind of life you want. It has never work and it will never work because you work under another person. I have seen a successful business people live the kind of life they want, a successful co-founder after working years to raise a company but I have not seen someone work so hard for years to have all they want unless you are doing dubious things that is adding money to your bank than the job you are doing.

Gold will not make you rich though, Bitcoin is barely less than 17 years but it has made an incredible performance but Gold is many decade years old and there only few hundreds of dollars it has added to its price. The only job you can do hy working for someone is politician, they claim to work for people but in reality they work to loot. That's the only job you can do to have money whether in a short period of time or for long period of time.

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December 18, 2025, 11:35:01 PM
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The thing is that most people these days (especially youngsters) want to live a comfortable life without working. In their "dream world", the government would pay for everything, while they sit back and relax. This wouldn't be sustainable in the long term. I mean, how are governments are going to get the money (taxes) if no one is contributing to the economy? Unless, AI takes care of everything and we'd be living on some sort of UBI (Universal Basic Income) system.

It's virtually impossible to live comfortably without working to earn money, and even if a country does have a government that funds its citizens' living expenses, I believe it's only provided for basic living expenses, while anything beyond that must be earned by each individual. So it would be a huge mistake if there are still young people today who think that comfort will come naturally to them without working or earning money, and they are even shameless enough to rely on government assistance at such a young age.

I also wonder if there are young people who still think like that today. Because if they are still reluctant to work and strive according to their own abilities in their youth, who knows what their life will be like when they are truly adults and older. And when the rules change and the government no longer provides assistance to young people, this will certainly be quite painful for those who are not used to struggling to earn money. So if you still encounter spoiled young people like that, please give them good advice that in this world, no one will truly help them except themselves.
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December 18, 2025, 11:40:40 PM
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this question hits deep because a lot of people feel it daily. on paper we’re “progressing” — more tech, more productivity — but in real life it feels like we’re running faster just to stay in the same spot.
Dude you've hit some realization in there, we're quicker and more adaptive and yet that progress means nothing if we'll still base it with our situation of living. We're all just working in the same spot trying to survive waiting for the day to end.

cost of living keeps creeping up while wages barely breathe.
True. Inflation sucks and the bad thing about it is that it's a permanent thing on this world. We'll have to live with it and take it as a challenge that each month and year that passes by, we'd just expect things to be more expensive again. Even the oxygen we breathe in the hospitals have its cost.



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This world's economic system is designed to deceive the common people. It is not possible for us to get out of it in any way, but we can only keep our wealth safe through Bitcoin holding from the absurd policies of the global economy where people are losing the value of their money day after day. Still, many common people are afraid to hold Bitcoin as an asset and do not believe it. this is their lack of knowledge. We should create wealth where we have our own freedom. In addition to investing in Bitcoin, gold can also be bought if someone wants diversification of wealth.

You can't make money with a working system and live the kind of life you want. It has never work and it will never work because you work under another person. I have seen a successful business people live the kind of life they want, a successful co-founder after working years to raise a company but I have not seen someone work so hard for years to have all they want unless you are doing dubious things that is adding money to your bank than the job you are doing.

Gold will not make you rich though, Bitcoin is barely less than 17 years but it has made an incredible performance but Gold is many decade years old and there only few hundreds of dollars it has added to its price. The only job you can do hy working for someone is politician, they claim to work for people but in reality they work to loot. That's the only job you can do to have money whether in a short period of time or for long period of time.
The current economic system slowly drains value from ordinary people while making it feel normal. Inflation policy and monetary control reward those closest to power and punish those who simply save and work. Bitcoin offers an exit from that trap by giving people control over their wealth. Fear around Bitcoin usually comes from lack of understanding rather than logic. Holding it is about protection before profit. Gold still has a role for diversification but it does not offer the same freedom or upside. Wealth grows best where control exists.

Working inside the system rarely leads to real freedom. Most people trade time for money and never escape dependency. Business owners and founders build leverage over years and eventually live life on their own terms. Traditional jobs almost never lead there unless corruption or power enters the picture. Gold preserves value but rarely changes lives. Bitcoin in a short time has done what gold could not do in decades. True wealth comes from ownership not obedience.

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December 19, 2025, 08:25:22 PM
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Inflation is making human life miserable. People are running for money and are turning into machines day by day.
The rise in the price of everything is making public life dangerous. People are now living for work. People are not able to keep up with life and money. Life has become a battlefield. However, we should break out of this cycle and enjoy life a little. Bring life back to normal, because after all We ourselves do not know when we will die and therefore we should earn an income not just for money but to enjoy our lives and spend quality time with our family.

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January 17, 2026, 07:01:06 PM
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Inflation is making human life miserable. People are running for money and are turning into machines day by day.
The rise in the price of everything is making public life dangerous. People are now living for work. People are not able to keep up with life and money. Life has become a battlefield. However, we should break out of this cycle and enjoy life a little. Bring life back to normal, because after all We ourselves do not know when we will die and therefore we should earn an income not just for money but to enjoy our lives and spend quality time with our family.
If you are working to spend time that is good because old people are working for fitness and they need no money to live life because they have pension which is giving financial freedom. But many people want to be away of pension and they want to invest in cryptocurrency which is best for them . If you are earning good and you are saving money that is not good strategy because your money value is going down because of inflation and government will print more money every year and they have power to the value of money. If you will invest in cryptocurrency or any other market with knowledge you will be in profit at any time and you will not be in loss because cryptocurrency is brand and we saw big brand in the past which is BTC.

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January 17, 2026, 07:12:08 PM
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Inflation is making human life miserable. People are running for money and are turning into machines day by day.
The rise in the price of everything is making public life dangerous. People are now living for work. People are not able to keep up with life and money. Life has become a battlefield. However, we should break out of this cycle and enjoy life a little. Bring life back to normal, because after all We ourselves do not know when we will die and therefore we should earn an income not just for money but to enjoy our lives and spend quality time with our family.
This is the sad truth that the world has us into, the government are busy every day trying to do the worst they can to control use all by going into war economically and then causing inflation to reap off what we have while they keep banking on the funds thar would have been used to make life easier for people for productions of more weapons and going into wars, this is just the problem why people have been working to live and living to work there is no escape but we only escape them when we chose to go on vacations and leave the working system.

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January 17, 2026, 08:13:21 PM
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This is the sad truth that the world has us into, the government are busy every day trying to do the worst they can to control use all by going into war economically and then causing inflation to reap off what we have while they keep banking on the funds thar would have been used to make life easier for people for productions of more weapons and going into wars, this is just the problem why people have been working to live and living to work there is no escape but we only escape them when we chose to go on vacations and leave the working system.
Actually, the current bad economy has basically brought us to this position where we work only for our living, where many times our happiness and desires are overshadowed by the need.
But at the same time, I also think that we should not just be depressed thinking about these issues, but we should follow Bill Gates' popular quote that it is not a mistake to be born poor, it is our fault if we die poor.  So despite all the difficult situations we face, we have to keep upgrading ourselves over time and maintain our position, whether it's through business or any other skill we love.

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