Two alternative accounts, one of which forgot to re-login.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Obari
Ojinga  banned

The story is trivial. Two alt accounts, one of which was cited in a plagiarism thread, began actively seeking the truth and defending themselves. Everything can be verified in the thread. One claims they didn't copy, after which the second appears, forgetting to change their usernames, and writes the same apology under the first name. They then edit the post, using some obscure phrases, but LoyceV's archive remembers everything. https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6601/66013623.html

As a result, two accounts violate the company's signature rules by participating with their alt accounts.

Please I did not plagiarize and I’m sincerely sorry if you think so

I didn't plagiarize; that would only be true if references were provided. In your case, you copied and pasted without citing sources. That's plagiarism!
Besides, I'm sure the post was created to buy merits.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5564654.msg66013578#msg66013578

This was just a one mistake and sincerely I didn’t find the link else I would have added the link as I do not intend to take credit for another’s work and I even stated previously that not all works where from me and I couldn’t find the links to the works as it took me some time to draft the topic.


All I beg is that you tender justice with mercy as it was something I also acknowledged before now that I didn’t find the link and I didn’t expect it to called plagiarism since I added a disclaimer to the post.  Thank you.

Just copy this and send for your clarity @ojinga. Added after realizing the mistake

Please I did not plagiarize and I’m sincerely sorry if you think so

I didn't plagiarize; that would only be true if references were provided. In your case, you copied and pasted without citing sources. That's plagiarism!
Besides, I'm sure the post was created to buy merits.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5564654.msg66013578#msg66013578

This was just a one mistake and sincerely I didn’t find the link else I would have added the link as I do not intend to take credit for another’s work and I even stated previously that not all works where from me and I couldn’t find the links to the works as it took me some time to draft the topic.


All I beg is that you tender justice with mercy as it was something I also acknowledged before now that I didn’t find the link and I didn’t expect it to called plagiarism since I added a disclaimer to the post.  Thank you.

Now it's also an alternate account that forgot to re-login. Bravo!

I managed to quote the first post.


https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6601/66013623.html

[JeromeTash]

I hope people revisit this thread again and read through the findings, though it was locked by the OP (shasan) ---> Alt account or loan defaulter [Obari]

Obari probably has tens of alt accounts here, most of which have been tagged and banned. Problem is that he also uses them to get multiple loans yet he is already a high risk individual. It also appears that after getting busted, he abandoned most of the accounts and created new ones in the past year.

Please lenders, be cautious.

So far from what I can gather

1. Obari is an alt of Sakanwa as proved by the transaction history by both accounts using one exchange Bitcoin address at one point
2. Again Obari forgets to log in as Sakanwa and makes a post in a loan thread where "Obari" never took any loan but Sakanwa had an outstanding loan there.

So Obari = Sakanwa

3. Sakanwa and hashrateproducts post in one campaign thread using the same bitcoin address that sakanwa has always used.
There is also proof that  hashrateproducts is a hacked/stolen account

So Obari = Sakanwa = hashrateproducts (the person who stole or bought that account)

Furthermore, hashrateproducts is linked to a group of bounty cheating accounts, some of which are even already banned

Mistafreeze Banned
blackened515
BlackViruse Banned
martyns
Blackpussy Banned
9jaspyware Banned
lesor Banned
Kumasi
Lordhermes

I just want to make a clear list of the linked accounts before I start tagging

Based on evidence collected here, the following are also alt accounts of the same person:

Cryptohermes05
omgitsmehehe
Blackvirus Banned

They probably have even more but the fact that they were operating a lot of these accounts simultaneously is pretty astounding... They were dedicated to their craft of multi-accounting but got too greedy in the end and made one too many slip-ups.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Obari probably has tens of alt accounts here, most of which have been tagged and banned.

He has an active account that's not listed and is currently actively participating in the company's signature.

1. Belarge
2. Sakanwa
3. Obari

However, according to the forum rules, today's ban on Ojinga's account should completely ban all of his accounts. There is no evidence that would normally be attributed to a match in wallets or social media, but the fact that another person's answers are posted in a thread to a question from another account logically leads to the conclusion that it is the same person.

[Shishir99]

I noticed this yesterday on the report Plagiarism thread, where you also replied to him. The account was banned at that time, and I didn't reply there. They forgot to update the account information while posting. This person likely has multiple accounts that they are using to exploit the signature campaigns. I am surprised to realise that some people are making more money than the campaign managers. I thought the campaign managers earn a good amount of money by running several signature campaigns. However, if a user operates that many accounts, they likely earn more money than some campaign managers.

Anyway, don't they deserve negative feedback on their profile? Or is it reserved for the people who belong to my country?

[lovesmayfamilis]

You probably understand that compelling evidence is needed, and many will disagree with the negative tag. One account was blocked, which is a good thing, as it's become quite difficult to get blocked recently.
And yes, you're right, the organizers of signature companies can earn less while doing much more useful work than those who are in such a rush that they can't figure out their accounts and publish complete nonsense. This isn't the first time this owner has gotten lost in the chaos of their accounts. That's a matter for the managers themselves, as only they can decide whether to allow these accounts to participate.

[YOSHIE]

However, according to the forum rules, today's ban on Ojinga's account should completely ban all of his accounts. There is no evidence that would normally be attributed to a match in wallets or social media, but the fact that another person's answers are posted in a thread to a question from another account logically leads to the conclusion that it is the same person.

Perhaps strong evidence has not yet been found for Obari, Sakanwa.

But for Ojinga and Belarge's accounts, the ETH addresses below very clearly prove they broke the rules:

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

1. Ojinga (Archived)
2. Belarge

Proof:

Username: Belarge
ETH/Metamask Wallet Address: 0xb1f01b25ddd281d09f648ea8ddf75b3f2d43a8c7

https://archive.vn/wip/Lm2SX

Bitcointalk username: Ojinga
CAT3 Poker App used: Ojinga
BSC Wallet address: 0xb1f01b25ddd281d09f648ea8ddf75b3f2d43a8c7

https://archive.vn/wip/FyhGM

Related Addresses:

Code:

0xb1f01b25ddd281d09f648ea8ddf75b3f2d43a8c7

[JeromeTash]

Anyway, don't they deserve negative feedback on their profile? Or is it reserved for the people who belong to my country?

To be honest, the last time round when the alt accounts were linked. I was personally going to send the profile negative feedback but then at that time he had an active loan which I thought would affect the lender. It turns out that the lender has continued to issue out more loans to him even when he is aware that the person in question can not be trust. Right now he has an active loan, and I am not sure what next to do at the moment

But in such cases, the account could easily get banned for ban evasion

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Anyway, don't they deserve negative feedback on their profile? Or is it reserved for the people who belong to my country?

To be honest, the last time round when the alt accounts were linked. I was personally going to send the profile negative feedback but then at that time he had an active loan which I thought would affect the lender. It turns out that the lender has continued to issue out more loans to him even when he is aware that the person in question can not be trust. Right now he has an active loan, and I am not sure what next to do at the moment

But in such cases, the account could easily get banned for ban evasion

Well, I am not sure but what I do think is that the lender's attention should be drawn to their client's reputational issues in times like that, he himself( the lender) I believe is already aware of the risk involved and still decided to run a loan service on the forum, so when things like this happen, he will definitely have to bear..

Concerning this particular issue with obari, he is still oweing the lender over $300, and from the level of obari's offence, he may get ejected from his current campaign and possibly left a negative Tag by the campaign manager for abuse of the campaign, except the campaign manager also decides not to do so as a result of the loan as well, then what this simply mean is that rules have been bent, and in the future, Alt account farmers will adapt to always have an unpaid loan on their account and use that to gain immunity from getting negative tags and (maybe also) from getting removed from campaign when they are caught offending..

[lovesmayfamilis]

Perhaps strong evidence has not yet been found for Obari, Sakanwa.

Okay. But that's not all. There's some pretty compelling evidence linking two more accounts that violate the ban.

https://ninjastic.space/address/0x8f90ca5b2854ff7bfe31db9863bdc68a7a4f56de

Bitcointalk Username: Obari
Spinarium Username:
BSC Wallet address: 0x8f90ca5b2854ff7bfe31db9863bdc68a7a4f56de

https://ninjastic.space/post/65464894


https://ninjastic.space/post/65497855


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5542286.msg65363069#msg65363069

In addition to Obari currently violating the ban circumvention rules, there is also a violation of the company's  rules.
Considering Obari owes shasan $330, I won't negatively tag him now to give him the opportunity to pay up and at least remain honest with @shasan.

[Comeacross]

In addition to Obari currently violating the ban circumvention rules, there is also a violation of the company's  rules.
Considering Obari owes shasan $330, I won't negatively tag him now to give him the opportunity to pay up and at least remain honest with @shasan.

Isn't this the reason why almost every account is taking loan now? If having active loan is a valid reason not red tag account until they clear they clear the loan, that would be a good reason for account farmers to keep taking loans with their farm accounts even if they have no actual need for the loan just to keep their accounts safe from being tagged. I noticed the lenders ignoring the tag on accounts with cases and still give them loan. As long as they keep extending the loan it means they safe? 

[khaled0111]

Isn't this the reason why almost every account is taking loan now? If having active loan is a valid reason not red tag account until they clear they clear the loan, that would be a good reason for account farmers to keep taking loans with their farm accounts even if they have no actual need for the loan just to keep their accounts safe from being tagged.

Cheaters are unlikely to repay their loans if they get red tagged and kicked out of signature campaigns. This is why some members are reluctant to expose and tag them while they still have active loans.
I get your point, but lending and lenders are an important part of the forum’s ecosystem and it’s important to take their interests into account too.
What scam and farm account busters can do, to prevent your concerns from happening, is to inform involved lenders about their findings so they don’t grant loan extensions or accept new loan requests from those users, then they can share their findings publicly after the loan has been fully repaid.

[logfiles]

Isn't this the reason why almost every account is taking loan now? If having active loan is a valid reason not red tag account until they clear they clear the loan, that would be a good reason for account farmers to keep taking loans with their farm accounts even if they have no actual need for the loan just to keep their accounts safe from being tagged. I noticed the lenders ignoring the tag on accounts with cases and still give them loan. As long as they keep extending the loan it means they safe? 

The person will eventually have to pay up the loan and as you see in the neutral tag, this has to be done by 2nd - 12 - 2025, after that date, if the lender continues to add more loans to that account, then the risk could become significant for him as there is no guarantee that they account will not receive any negative feedback from the DT members

[lovesmayfamilis]

Isn't this the reason why almost every account is taking loan now? If having active loan is a valid reason not red tag account until they clear they clear the loan, that would be a good reason for account farmers to keep taking loans with their farm accounts even if they have no actual need for the loan just to keep their accounts safe from being tagged. I noticed the lenders ignoring the tag on accounts with cases and still give them loan. As long as they keep extending the loan it means they safe? 

The person will eventually have to pay up the loan and as you see in the neutral tag, this has to be done by 2nd - 12 - 2025, after that date, if the lender continues to add more loans to that account, then the risk could become significant for him as there is no guarantee that they account will not receive any negative feedback from the DT members

Absolutely right. I think @shasan is aware of this issue and won't be granting him any more deferments or credits. Although, of course, if he'd been more careful with the tags he'd left earlier, he wouldn't have had to step on a mine a second time.

[The Cryptovator]

I don't know why these guys abuse the system with alt accounts when they could use their alts legally just by participating in different campaigns. And bad evasion is against forum rules that should raise concern on the Meta, so the moderator would take a deep look and take decisions. I have tagged both accounts because I feel they are abusing the signature campaign besides evading the ban.

So far I've noticed alt accounts have been exposed even after years. But still we aren't learning; also, we should follow the forum rules as well. If you do something wrong, it means you have to pay for that. I really don't want to destroy a higher-rank account since I know how hard it is to build an account. But in some cases, an abuser should take a hard lesson.

[stompix]

I don't know why these guys abuse the system with alt accounts when they could use their alts legally just by participating in different campaigns.

You don't know why? Lol, it's so simple!

They are shitposters who can barely get in any campaign, so the moment a space opens, they apply with all their accounts to get a chance to sneak at least one, if they get thrown out of one or the campaign ends, do you think they will wait till another one pops up for each of their alts and they get accepted into one?
I mean, seriously, are you that naive to think they give a rat's ass about?

It's get $50 this week and next week and maybe risk of being caught or wait week after week without a penny, I'm willing to bet those $50 on 99% of the forum taking the first option.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I don't know why these guys abuse the system with alt accounts when they could use their alts legally just by participating in different campaigns. And bad evasion is against forum rules that should raise concern on the Meta, so the moderator would take a deep look and take decisions. I have tagged both accounts because I feel they are abusing the signature campaign besides evading the ban.

After I negatively tagged Belarge's account, hoping he would be blocked after YOSHIE's post, Belarge remained inactive for four days, taking a break and awaiting the moderators' decision. I even wanted to think about his good behavior, that he agreed that he was caught and could no longer write posts. But yesterday he became active again, very active at that, perhaps rushing to meet his weekly quota. Therefore, we simply can't expect this person to respect the rules. I sent a report to the moderators about violating the ban rules yesterday, and I still haven't seen any positive results. So, the only way to stop this account is with negative tags. I'll add mine to Obari since he already has one from you.


active after one of his accounts was blocked 

[JeromeTash]

After I negatively tagged Belarge's account, hoping he would be blocked after YOSHIE's post, Belarge remained inactive for four days, taking a break and awaiting the moderators' decision. I even wanted to think about his good behavior, that he agreed that he was caught and could no longer write posts. But yesterday he became active again, very active at that, perhaps rushing to meet his weekly quota. Therefore, we simply can't expect this person to respect the rules. I sent a report to the moderators about violating the ban rules yesterday, and I still haven't seen any positive results. So, the only way to stop this account is with negative tags.

This forum moderation when it comes to cases such as ban evasion works in mysterious ways. Sometimes it's positive, other times no action is taken at all and one gets to wonder where exactly is the line between Ban evasion and no ban evasion.

I'll add mine to Obari since he already has one from you.

I guess that marks the end of his posting spree, or perhaps after getting kicked out of the campaign. It would be interesting to see if he repays the loan honorably.

[Obari]

I greet everyone, distinguished ladies and gentlemen, and the panel of DTs.
I'm tendering an apology in respect to this issue, which has lead to my account being a victim of circumstance and I had to face the consequences of receiving a punishment that is not meant for me.
This issue was brought up regarding my account and the other member Ojinga, I was just trying to help a forum member who is also a member of my local board, I was giving Ojinga a directive write-up as to how he can apologize in his case of plagiarism raised by lovemayfamilie. From my write-up, I wrote as if I was Ojinga who is trying to defend himself and before I submitted the post, I didn't remember to reference Ojinga by stating that that's how he should tender his appology instead of making excuses.
my intention on that thread was for a good cause, trying to help Ojinga, but I really regret how my good intention turned around to hurt me.

I didn't respond to the thread because I was just too shy how i made this mistake and frightened not to say something that might be used against me, I didn't know the matter will be dragged this far, but I'm now owning up to my mistake and tendering an appology to the community and to lovesmayfamilis and the cryptovator to pardon my mistake.

I have not cheated on the Rollbit company campaign and I do not have any intention of doing that, I'm sorry but I have to say this which I had never wanted to say, I'm battling with a serious health issues of kidney and liver disease, some few person on the forum whom I have told knows about my health issue and I also privately shared my test results and doctor's appointment with you on DM  @the cryptovator and  I swear on my health that I'm not a cheater or and evader. Please forgive my mistake.
due to my health, this is the only source of my income, I'm a father of two beautiful daughters and I'm also in debt to the forum lender shasan and some friends outside the forum, since my weekly payment is going into paying debts and paying for hospital bills, my mind is not even settled, I don't want to be a defaulter of shasan loan as this my account is my only means of repayment, please @lovesmayfamilis, @the cryptovator, I'm deeply sorry and hope you reconsider your tags on my profile.

Thank you.

[Satofan44]

This issue was brought up regarding my account and the other member Ojinga, I was just trying to help a forum member who is also a member of my local board, I was giving Ojinga a directive write-up as to how he can apologize in his case of plagiarism raised by lovemayfamilie. From my write-up, I wrote as if I was Ojinga who is trying to defend himself and before I submitted the post, I didn't remember to reference Ojinga by stating that that's how he should tender his appology instead of making excuses.

If people here believe shit like that then almost any kind of evidence can also be refuted with bullshit excuses.
What is next? "Sorry, I didn't notice that I was not receiving signature payments for months to my own address. I copied the address of some other user by mistake, it is not my alt." 

[lovesmayfamilis]

please @lovesmayfamilis, @the cryptovator, I'm deeply sorry and hope you reconsider your tags on my profile.

Thank you.

Besides all your illnesses, you also have visual impairment, and then there's your shameless lies, for which you deserve not just two negative tags but many more. All your certificates and other manipulations won't work here. Proof of poor health doesn't mean you're allowed to lie. However, let's return to discussing your vision issues.

The post was when you were first noticed with your alternate accounts. The lie that the Sakanwa account is your friend, brother, cat, or anyone else. No one is forced to believe something that can't be proven. Who might be concerned in that situation?

I've known sakanwa from childhood and I can always attest for him and since my phone has been bad, I've  been logging in my account with his phone most times and it has really dragged me backward for over three weeks or so because.....

I've  been struggling  to make post on my account for sometime now and I barely miss post number because I make my post passionately not to pursue signature quarter and I haven't been an easy one for me without a good phone and still investing all the money I earn in health.

Yeah, ironic:1000 post in 16 days total logged in time 
Must be karma!
Ps: you had a desktop one week ago when you were doing reviews!

I've known sakanwa from childhood

Oh, the childhood cousin who will turn out to be your wife's friend's granddaughter!

Simple, you f! up! Man up, deal with it and with the consequences and that's it!
Let me tell you from years of experience what happens usually in those cases, instead of cleaning your reputation, you make everyone look at your account and more nasty stuff comes to light. I've seen enough accounts coming here to clear a misunderstanding and leaving with 10x more red tags and with an army of alts uncovered.

Here, Sakanwa posted the address first, and then Belarge added it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394559.msg63113768#msg63113768

The next post is your first address and Belarge's second.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5564661.msg66022198#msg66022198

Then there's the connection between Belarge and Ojinga.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5564661.msg66019545#msg66019545

Put on your glasses and check a few times before trying to entice people with your health. Perhaps you first need to learn to tell the truth, and then your health will improve.

I won't remove the tag; in fact, I'd recommend adding more, as your lies are regular and shameless.

Start a new account with virtual push-ups, pumpkin carving, baking pies, pizza, drawing, and whatever else your compatriots do to run farms.