China taking over the world without military actions.

[barbara44]

In the 1980s and before, history recorded that China was one of the poorest countries, but now in just a few decades, China has become a country with a fairly strong economy and has become one of the strongest competitors of the US, having a major influence in almost every region.

That's because thanks to the United States' policy mistake of out-sourcing jobs and production to China, India, and other Asian countries.

We can't blame USA only because of how they moved manufacturing to China, it was also China that made that happen and a possibility. While it has caused many sweat shops, deaths, and poverty, it has moved it there with tears and blood but made it happen.

Basically, people who are living a better life in China today, can do that thanks to their parents working in terrible conditions. But China realized decades ago, if they ruin the lives of just a single generation and make them get all the jobs, then the future would be much better and they were right. It's difficult to make that decision, but they are getting the fruits of their labour now.

[Churchillvv]

I can’t disagree with you op but we can’t also say that china isn’t using millions might to take over some close countries but in terms of economic strength china is truly strategically ruling the world today, china has successfully put panic in the US economy when trump slammed the huge tariffs on them, their reaction was to expose the fact that all the goods and products that companies in the USA claims is their are produced in the china and sent to them to assemble making them claim they created the product that dropped the purchasing power in the US with this point I think I agree with you op.

[Wind_FURY]

It's actually VERY funny that some people in BitcoinTalk believe, or maybe they're merely saying it, that the time of the United States' role as the dominant super power "is over". But what is China doing? Because with their economic and military strength, they can't even invade Taiwan, nor can they stop the U.S. from attacking Venezuela and soon, Iran.

  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, nobody is saying that American dominance has ended. They remain the number one superpower and will maintain that position for several more decades. However, we should not deny that this dominance is being challenged by the rise of China and BRICS. The USD still dominates globally, but is gradually losing market share as the idea of ​​dedollarization become more widespread

I won't mention anyone's names, but there are people in BitcoinTalk who post that. It's laughable.

About China, and the BRICS - they could "challenge" the United States Dollar, BUT it's not currently a threat. If it starts becoming a threat, then I'll be the first to admit that. But RIGHT NOW, let's not spread bull-crap.

The world has changed, and use of military force and disregard for international law still help the US maintain its position. But in the long run, this only leads countries to seek way to reduce their dependence and look for alternatives.

The US is not the first and only superpower to dominate this world. They replaced the British Empire as the dominant world power after WW2. History has proven that no nation can maintain that forever. So, let's wait and see how long they can maintain that.

How many years, in your opinion, does the United States left as a "Dominant Super Power"?

[DrBeer]

China's strategy was very different; it lasted for many years, and they achieved what they wanted. I can say that they are currently the most powerful country in the world. And they didn't achieve this through military force alone. However, they are very strong militarily, and they excel in every industry and technology, and they also have a very large population.

I think their main achievement is production, because no country can compete with them in trade. They gained their current position entirely through trade, not military means.

It was like that until recently. The idea was to build a bridge between communism/socialism and capitalism. Deng Xiaoping had a wonderful idea, which he brought to life. The question is: what has the Chinese economy turned into now? Huge hidden state subsidies to its manufacturers so that they can compete unfairly in foreign markets? Usurpation of power and an attempt to “subjugate” private companies to state control? Internal competition and purges at the top?
 Confrontation with the West? It seems to me that this is not the best path Xi Jinping could have chosen, but... he did it and continues to play the “I am the new empire” game, with questionable processes inside and outside China.

[Wind_FURY]

Shower thought. We can't actually be sure if China can truly "take over" the world WITHOUT military action, BUT the surge on Silver might be one, of more actions, that they're attempting to make it hard for the United States and their allies to maintain their dominance?

There are reports that China has started to implement restrictions for foreign access of Chinese mined/refined Silver. I believe they're the largest exporter of this important industrial metal.

[abhiseshakana]

China's strategy was very different; it lasted for many years, and they achieved what they wanted. I can say that they are currently the most powerful country in the world. And they didn't achieve this through military force alone. However, they are very strong militarily, and they excel in every industry and technology, and they also have a very large population.

I think their main achievement is production, because no country can compete with them in trade. They gained their current position entirely through trade, not military means.

It was like that until recently. The idea was to build a bridge between communism/socialism and capitalism. Deng Xiaoping had a wonderful idea, which he brought to life. The question is: what has the Chinese economy turned into now? Huge hidden state subsidies to its manufacturers so that they can compete unfairly in foreign markets? Usurpation of power and an attempt to “subjugate” private companies to state control? Internal competition and purges at the top?
 Confrontation with the West? It seems to me that this is not the best path Xi Jinping could have chosen, but... he did it and continues to play the “I am the new empire” game, with questionable processes inside and outside China.

Hide your strength, bide your time is Deng's Main principle which mean not confrontative with targeting industrialization, global market integration, technology transfer, domestic stability and get legitimation from communist party. At that time no plan to be geopolitical power only to be world manufacture with major action, China opening wide economy, pull in investation massively, exporting cheap manufactured product so avoid global tension and conflict, very different with what world see now. Actually if we read the history, Ancient Chinese is worldwide trader who spread cultural influence around the globe, so modern silk trade road and BRI can't be seen as distortion from Deng main principle but rather a next phase after Deng target has been achieved.

I agree there are paradigm shift on Xi's era. Xi use economy as geopolitical power, He controlling strategic sector politically and suddenly has sistemic confrontation with western ally. Simply we can say Deng build foundation and after China get stability and power, Xi make power projection. Through Xi's leadership China back to comunist party doctrin which is economy serve the country not country serve economy, thats why national interest always above market, because market only tools not purpose even privat company is only a national instrument. Xi close full liberalitation hope post Deng's era and bring China back to Mao era with economic pramagtism, Xi has consideration that China already strong enough, they already dominate world supply chain and the last USD and western domination as geopolitical risk for China.

I see BRI and silk trade route is sistemic imperialism which China dominate trade and its supply chain, China controlling logistics and now China try to ruled economic architecture. I can see Xi's plan of Eurasia recentralization with China as hub.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hide_your_strength,_bide_your_time

[Wind_FURY]

China's strategy was very different; it lasted for many years, and they achieved what they wanted. I can say that they are currently the most powerful country in the world. And they didn't achieve this through military force alone. However, they are very strong militarily, and they excel in every industry and technology, and they also have a very large population.

I think their main achievement is production, because no country can compete with them in trade. They gained their current position entirely through trade, not military means.

It was like that until recently. The idea was to build a bridge between communism/socialism and capitalism. Deng Xiaoping had a wonderful idea, which he brought to life. The question is: what has the Chinese economy turned into now? Huge hidden state subsidies to its manufacturers so that they can compete unfairly in foreign markets? Usurpation of power and an attempt to “subjugate” private companies to state control? Internal competition and purges at the top?
 Confrontation with the West? It seems to me that this is not the best path Xi Jinping could have chosen, but... he did it and continues to play the “I am the new empire” game, with questionable processes inside and outside China.

Hide your strength, bide your time is Deng's Main principle which mean not confrontative with targeting industrialization, global market integration, technology transfer, domestic stability and get legitimation from communist party. At that time no plan to be geopolitical power only to be world manufacture with major action, China opening wide economy, pull in investation massively, exporting cheap manufactured product so avoid global tension and conflict, very different with what world see now. Actually if we read the history, Ancient Chinese is worldwide trader who spread cultural influence around the globe, so modern silk trade road and BRI can't be seen as distortion from Deng main principle but rather a next phase after Deng target has been achieved.

I agree there are paradigm shift on Xi's era. Xi use economy as geopolitical power, He controlling strategic sector politically and suddenly has sistemic confrontation with western ally. Simply we can say Deng build foundation and after China get stability and power, Xi make power projection. Through Xi's leadership China back to comunist party doctrin which is economy serve the country not country serve economy, thats why national interest always above market, because market only tools not purpose even privat company is only a national instrument. Xi close full liberalitation hope post Deng's era and bring China back to Mao era with economic pramagtism, Xi has consideration that China already strong enough, they already dominate world supply chain and the last USD and western domination as geopolitical risk for China.

I see BRI and silk trade route is sistemic imperialism which China dominate trade and its supply chain, China controlling logistics and now China try to ruled economic architecture. I can see Xi's plan of Eurasia recentralization with China as hub.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hide_your_strength,_bide_your_time

But China's main and ACTUAL problem to their path of achieving the "Dominant Super Power" status is themselves.

 

Their population is getting older/dying. Birth rates are decreasing and female reproductive fertility is also going down. It is estimated that by 2050, there will be more old people than young people. So China doesn't have "time".

[bettercrypto]

You know, if we really look into it, China is on the verge of overtaking the US in this current generation. Especially if you compare their technology in terms of transportation,
 like commuter trains China’s is arguably better.

China is excellent at infrastructure investment; that’s a fact that can't be hidden or denied. In my personal opinion,
they truly have the capability to pull it off.

[abhiseshakana]

But China's main and ACTUAL problem to their path of achieving the "Dominant Super Power" status is themselves.

 

Their population is getting older/dying. Birth rates are decreasing and female reproductive fertility is also going down. It is estimated that by 2050, there will be more old people than young people. So China doesn't have "time".

I think Xi and China communist party has notice about this issue and already has prediction. Beside China government has remove one child policy and campaigning about 3 or three child. Government also applied some policy that family friendly such as educational subsidies, property reduction cost. Beside that China has compensated demography projection through other instrument for productive age problem solution. They focused on strengthening capability and stability i/o capacity which can't be pushed on urban modern country. Massive automation and robotic has been use to reduce dependence on young workforce with industry shifting from household manufactured to be high value added industry. China also continuing urbanization program, so semi rural citizen can be productive for economic and advance development. Government also focusing on STEM education which meaning less workforce but more productive. The last but not least BRI will be way out for all China demographic problem.

I agree that demographic problem restrict China ambition but government already take precaution action because in 2050 i think AI and robot will replace many labor,  AI will dominate human work and China the most ready country to face this challenges.

[Wind_FURY]

But China's main and ACTUAL problem to their path of achieving the "Dominant Super Power" status is themselves.

 

Their population is getting older/dying. Birth rates are decreasing and female reproductive fertility is also going down. It is estimated that by 2050, there will be more old people than young people. So China doesn't have "time".

I think Xi and China communist party has notice about this issue and already has prediction. Beside China government has remove one child policy and campaigning about 3 or three child. Government also applied some policy that family friendly such as educational subsidies, property reduction cost. Beside that China has compensated demography projection through other instrument for productive age problem solution. They focused on strengthening capability and stability i/o capacity which can't be pushed on urban modern country. Massive automation and robotic has been use to reduce dependence on young workforce with industry shifting from household manufactured to be high value added industry. China also continuing urbanization program, so semi rural citizen can be productive for economic and advance development. Government also focusing on STEM education which meaning less workforce but more productive. The last but not least BRI will be way out for all China demographic problem.

I agree that demographic problem restrict China ambition but government already take precaution action because in 2050 i think AI and robot will replace many labor,  AI will dominate human work and China the most ready country to face this challenges.

But there are different scientific studies that are saying that there's a high probability that China's three-child policy that was introduced in 2021 is already too late to reverse China's population decline.

That's probably why the United States are doing anything they want while they dare China to make the first move towards World War. They probably know the tens of millions of lost Chinese lives in a World War will be the death of the Chinese nation.

[DrBeer]

Shower thought. We can't actually be sure if China can truly "take over" the world WITHOUT military action, BUT the surge on Silver might be one, of more actions, that they're attempting to make it hard for the United States and their allies to maintain their dominance?

There are reports that China has started to implement restrictions for foreign access of Chinese mined/refined Silver. I believe they're the largest exporter of this important industrial metal.

However, China is not the leader in silver production and proven reserves. The ranking is as follows:

Peru  140,000 tons — often referred to as the “Saudi Arabia of silver.”
Australia 94,000 tons.
Russia 62-123,000 tons - the main deposits are located in the Far East (difficult to extract).
China 70-72,000 tons - silver is often extracted as a by-product.
Poland 61-63 thousand tons - a significant part of the reserves is found in copper ores.
Mexico 37 thousand tons - the leader in production, but ranks 6th in terms of reserves.
Chile 26 thousand tons
Argentina - 23 thousand tons
USA 23 thousand tons
Bolivia  22 thousand tons

[barbara44]

there are different scientific studies that are saying that there's a high probability that China's three-child policy that was introduced in 2021 is already too late to reverse China's population decline.

That's probably why the United States are doing anything they want while they dare China to make the first move towards World War. They probably know the tens of millions of lost Chinese lives in a World War will be the death of the Chinese nation.

I never understood why people were so against the lower population scenarios. I keep seeing that from people like Elon Musk to even nations who work towards making this happen, we are seeing things change and for that reason I never understood why fear it? Maybe the fact is that world is too populated, and we need less people? Imagine this, there is limited resources on this earth, and limited jobs, and limited money, so if we are 10+ billion people, we would have mostly poor people.

But if we drop, and become 4-5 billion again, then we would have enough resources and money and life for all, and then people would start to grow again? That way we would know our max and min and work in between that. I do not see lower population as a problem at all.

[Silverstonez]

I don't understand it when you say that China is taking over the world without military action. Because I don't see anyway China is taking over the world. Chinese companies might be over the world, but that doesn't mean that they are taking over the world.

I can agree with you that most countries are allying with China in one way or the  other. But In other ways Chinese are trying be all over the world. Which countries with the type of knowledge they have will do same. I know China is doing all this thing's to see if they can be able to take world power from the USA. So we all where China is heading to.

[Iranus]

I don't understand it when you say that China is taking over the world without military action. Because I don't see anyway China is taking over the world. Chinese companies might be over the world, but that mean that they are taking over the world.

I can agree with you that most countries are allying with China in one way or the  other. But I  other ways Chinese are trying be all over the world. Which countries with the type of knowledge they have will do same. I know China is doing all this thing's to see if they can be able to take world power from the USA. So we all where China is heading to.

More precisely, China is increasing its influence and presence worldwide, but in a way that is the opposite of the US strategy. Instead of using force or imposing sanction, they opted for softer strategies such as economic cooperation, trade, investment, and creating financial traps.

They have not yet dominated the world but are gradually expanding their influence. They are quietly reshaping the global order in their favor and creating a multipolar world that weakens the US, and that is something the US dislike

[abhiseshakana]

But there are different scientific studies that are saying that there's a high probability that China's three-child policy that was introduced in 2021 is already too late to reverse China's population decline.

That's probably why the United States are doing anything they want while they dare China to make the first move towards World War. They probably know the tens of millions of lost Chinese lives in a World War will be the death of the Chinese nation.

In my opinion even three child policy will not reverse China condition significantly in the future, but modern state will not depend on human population. Xi now change its national power basis from quantity of citizen to qualified systemic structur. They refused concept country automatically weaken if population decrease. I think this demograpic phenomena actually benifiting China. Starving history and food security issue become a complex issue for national security considering they have many mouth to feed, with population decrease, simply said food security pressure also reduce, which mean aging population can stabilize food sustainability.

i am sure, China will always avoiding big war because it will screwed import, risking food security with will be ended with national instability especially loosing legitioantion from communist party.Thay applied Sun Tzu principle with modification on modern world. Even US proveke China, but Xi will not stoop on provocation, not respond reactively and don't play on US rytm. China delay what US want, can you imagine how exhaust US now, such as big fiscal deficit and increasement on military expenditure, ukraine & middle east conflict squezee US resources ad there are internal fragmentation and social polarization. it is like Sun Tzu said "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting". Xi also learn fro Uni Soviet collapse, big power ruined not because of war but because their weak system. So China ensuring their domination on production line, supply chain, trade route and financial structure.

[shield132]

The US is not the first and only superpower to dominate this world. They replaced the British Empire as the dominant world power after WW2. History has proven that no nation can maintain that forever. So, let's wait and see how long they can maintain that.

That's true. In the end, every empire falls but the funny thing is that the American people speak English and lots of family names of famous and successful people are of British origin. Btw the most interesting thing is that as time moves forward, it's becoming easier to control people because we have cameras everywhere, police with immunity and the Covid lockdown proved that people can be locked up easily immediately. Every empire falls but no empire ever had this level of control over people, so modern times are interesting and very different but terrifying at the same time.

[Rabata]

I don't understand it when you say that China is taking over the world without military action. Because I don't see anyway China is taking over the world. Chinese companies might be over the world, but that doesn't mean that they are taking over the world.

I can agree with you that most countries are allying with China in one way or the  other. But In other ways Chinese are trying be all over the world. Which countries with the type of knowledge they have will do same. I know China is doing all this thing's to see if they can be able to take world power from the USA. So we all where China is heading to.

Where America has had a single dominance in the economy and politics of the entire world for many years. It is not possible to suddenly take everything from there and become the only powerful country now. Due to some issues and events, it seems that in the future, China and Russia will rule the entire world together. They will control the world's economy and politics. Where the dollar will not dominate, but this will not happen in a day. Here, long-term time is beyond it. Just as America has not been able to expand its dominance over the entire world in a day, it will not be possible to suddenly remove them from their position that need to build so many years. The way China's economy is developing and China's technology is gaining more acceptance around the world, it is understood that China will play a much more progressive role in the future.

[DanWalker]

The US is not the first and only superpower to dominate this world. They replaced the British Empire as the dominant world power after WW2. History has proven that no nation can maintain that forever. So, let's wait and see how long they can maintain that.

That's true. In the end, every empire falls but the funny thing is that the American people speak English and lots of family names of famous and successful people are of British origin. Btw the most interesting thing is that as time moves forward, it's becoming easier to control people because we have cameras everywhere, police with immunity and the Covid lockdown proved that people can be locked up easily immediately. Every empire falls but no empire ever had this level of control over people, so modern times are interesting and very different but terrifying at the same time.

The US was once a British colony, and the first settlers in America were British. They brought their language, laws, and culture with them, so it is understandable that American culture has been heavily influenced by Britain. 

Before Britain dominated the world, many empires had ruled the globe. That is why I believe that nothing last forever and the world order will alway change over time.

However, it must also be acknowledged that the US has done very well in maintaining its leading position, and this position will not be replaced anytime soon. It will probably take quite a long time for that to happen.

[abhiseshakana]

The US is not the first and only superpower to dominate this world. They replaced the British Empire as the dominant world power after WW2. History has proven that no nation can maintain that forever. So, let's wait and see how long they can maintain that.

That's true. In the end, every empire falls but the funny thing is that the American people speak English and lots of family names of famous and successful people are of British origin. Btw the most interesting thing is that as time moves forward, it's becoming easier to control people because we have cameras everywhere, police with immunity and the Covid lockdown proved that people can be locked up easily immediately. Every empire falls but no empire ever had this level of control over people, so modern times are interesting and very different but terrifying at the same time.

The US was once a British colony, and the first settlers in America were British. They brought their language, laws, and culture with them, so it is understandable that American culture has been heavily influenced by Britain. 

Before Britain dominated the world, many empires had ruled the globe. That is why I believe that nothing last forever and the world order will alway change over time.

However, it must also be acknowledged that the US has done very well in maintaining its leading position, and this position will not be replaced anytime soon. It will probably take quite a long time for that to happen.

I agree that british colonialism inheritance such as global language, common law / rule of law, civil liberties, parliamentary system, work ethic and individualism become foundation of US glory. But we can not forget that substantial immigration after WW II from Europe to US as a huge accelerator for US dominance in the world. When Europe devastated, US developed actively due to weapon/war industry and become global creditor. Besides the paperclip operation, many European scientist, engeneering, doctor, entrepreneur move to US deliberately. THis caused braid darin in Europe and US got historical reward of the best talented people which bring US superiority on technology, research and military. The good part of immigration is innovation culture which bring economic opportunities, meritocracy, and competition culture.

Beside british inheritance and immigration acceleration, what make US dominate the world is that it became the center of global financial system, beside USD be dominant currency US also become leader of financial & military institution.Geographically, the US's position also benefiting its national stability and also economic development consistency.

From the above explanation we can surely conclude that US not only inherited british dominance, but sucessfully change those domination to be global system enlargement through economy, technology and international institution

[alani123]

What china is doing is still imperialism.

Some modern interpretations of imperialism are excluding economic activity but why would you think China would be so openly interested to invest in other nations if it weren't for taking advantage of its people. China opening mines and shipyards and roads and rail systems in countries that never had such is clearly part of a plan to create the groundworks for future exploitation.

Chinese communist party officials and their advisors know this perfectly well. They have some of of the most advanced universities for international relations in China to advise them. They know imperialism has two wings and they've clearly chosen to use one for their benefit. Forget how they're trying to present it. It's imperialism.