China taking over the world without military actions.

[Abiky]

Can you give some real examples?
- AI developed in China without using American technology?
- AI developed in China that surpasses AI from OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, and Google Gemini?

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

I'd say China is advancing at a very fast pace. While the US is struggling to solve its own domestic issues, China is strengthening alliances and increasing its technological superiority behind the scenes. Before you know it, China will take over the world with Russia at its side. We've been warned...

[Wind_FURY]

And just how advance China is in terms of robot and AI:



I like how the US analyst put it as if they are no concern for them. Regardless though, we already know that this is the future, gonna be a battle not just for military force or actions. The new frontier has shifted to AI and robotics and I think China is a foot hold on it right now. And unless US recognized it, they are not going to be ahead in this race as obviously China is miles already and the US has a lot of catching up to do.

Kung-Fu Robots?

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My debate was always China is NOT going to engage against the United States in a direct military conflict because if its dying/aging population. That latest development in their Robotics/AI research could solve that, AND if they could produce a very large robot army, then I'll probably change my viewpoint.

Although, instead of war, Robots/AI would be better used for Deep Space Exploration/Deep Under Sea Exploration, no?

[coupable]

Can you give some real examples?
- AI developed in China without using American technology?
- AI developed in China that surpasses AI from OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, and Google Gemini?

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.

[BALIK]

Can you give some real examples?
- AI developed in China without using American technology?
- AI developed in China that surpasses AI from OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, and Google Gemini?

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.

To be fair, China still lags behind the United States in most areas. But there is no denying that they are developing faster and more strongly than any other country. With such a growth rate, they will sooner or later catch up with the United States if the United States does not accelerate its own growth rate.

In my opinion, the United States needs more solutions than just using trade wars and restricting technology exports to contain this country.

[coupable]

Can you give some real examples?
- AI developed in China without using American technology?
- AI developed in China that surpasses AI from OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, and Google Gemini?

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.

To be fair, China still lags behind the United States in most areas. But there is no denying that they are developing faster and more strongly than any other country. With such a growth rate, they will sooner or later catch up with the United States if the United States does not accelerate its own growth rate.

In my opinion, the United States needs more solutions than just using trade wars and restricting technology exports to contain this country.

The United States used to face challenges with every way possible to break down its competitors. In addition to financement issues, China is facing challenges with the USA that are not directly related to artificial intelligences. Limiting access to micro chips and supporting Taiwan against China to influence TSMC products sold to China, are the weapon used by USA to stay at top countries in term of high tech and AI.

[Abiky]

Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.

I guess that's why China is deeply interested in "conquering" (invading) Taiwan. So it can get the world's biggest manufacturer of microprocessors for its own convenience. Only then, China will be able to achieve true technological superiority.

Either way, I have read that China is developing its own chips with Huawei. Not as powerful as US counterparts, but better something than nothing. Unlike the US, China has one of the largest reserves of rare Earth metals. It can use that as "leverage" to get what it wants. We've seen how China used this "card" previously when Trump imposed additional tariffs in "Liberation Day". China has all the cards to win. It's even helping Russia rise from the ground up. The US made this monster, and now it must learn to live with it. We'll see what happens in the future.

[coupable]

Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.

I guess that's why China is deeply interested in "conquering" (invading) Taiwan. So it can get the world's biggest manufacturer of microprocessors for its own convenience. Only then, China will be able to achieve true technological superiority.

As we are talking about China taking over the world, it's worth mentioning that China has been deeply interested to annex Taiwan (not conquering) as an extension to its lands (note that Taiwan and China are one people speacking the same language but Taiwan separated as an autonomous region after the end of the civil war 1949) for other major reasons; to rule all Chinese speakers, dismantling American alliances in the south chineese sea region since the USA entered in cooperation with Taiwan to fight the Maoism in China during cold world against URSS, expanding the range of nuclear submarines because Taiwan represent an obstacle as an ennemy (USA) ally, and finally controlling the whole semiconductor market because Taiwanese technology is not just benefecial for China to improve its productions but to control the global technology market (TSMC monopoles more than 60% of the global semiconductor market).

[Johnlomape]

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.

The way you have written is not convincing at all and you don't have to praise the US when they are lagging behind gradually. China has overtaken the United States in terms of technology and the US can not even stand a fight with China. The United States is living in the past when China is living in the future and we don't have to hate the advancement of the China technology because they have the basic raw materials to produce good chips and build technology the US architects may have not seen before.

I love the both countries and we don't have to come out writing in support of the US when it is true that China is good at what they do. Elon is busy trying to build humanoid robots when China have gotten their advanced robots in place due to their advancement in technology and good experts.

[savetheFORUM]

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

I'd say China is advancing at a very fast pace. While the US is struggling to solve its own domestic issues, China is strengthening alliances and increasing its technological superiority behind the scenes. Before you know it, China will take over the world with Russia at its side. We've been warned...

The deepseek one does use openAI the opensource version and then improved on that, which means USA had something to do with it, and China didn't had to spend billions upon billions to reach that level, they had to use an opensource that was designed to help the world start at a base level instead of from nothing.

It's still great that they used it because the world needs more competition, but they did not started from zero. Same goes for BYD and others, tesla had always been an open source product and all the patents were available showing the systems. Hence, China, even though they did exactly what I think they should, did not started from zero on anything they ever did.

[tbterryboy]

And meanwhile, USA is just taking over the world in good old fashioned military ways. Look at them attacking Iran now because Israel wanted to, don't get me wrong not even Americans wanted any war with Iran, they do not care about Iran, why would any ordinary American would care about such a thing, and it is not about oil either because USA just took over Venezuela who holds more oil than most nations and they can just suck the oil out of there instead.

So when you think about it, Iran is only being attacked by USA because Netanyahu wanted it and they are doing his bidding so Israel could have some more land, that's it. Sad reality but still a reality, USA is still policing the world and if they haven't hurt you so far, they will hurt you one day, unless they are stopped.

[viljy]

It is impossible to capture anything, and even more so the world without military action. Any economic leverage is instantly negated by military force. So at the moment, the United States is taking over the world, not China at all. Venezuela (oil) has already been captured, and now there is an attempt to capture Iran (more oil). So the facts show something completely different. China lost all its influence in Venezuela in one day. At least that's the situation so far.

[DrBeer]

Can you give some real examples?
- AI developed in China without using American technology?
- AI developed in China that surpasses AI from OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, and Google Gemini?

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

I'd say China is advancing at a very fast pace. While the US is struggling to solve its own domestic issues, China is strengthening alliances and increasing its technological superiority behind the scenes. Before you know it, China will take over the world with Russia at its side. We've been warned...

I apologize, but you are starting with a false assumption and basing your entire response on it. As a result, your entire response is incorrect. I don't want to offend you, please don't take this as an insult, but here are the facts:
Ranking of video generation systems:
1. Sora — OpenAI
Country: United States
2. Veo 2 — Google DeepMind
Country: United Kingdom/United States
3. Runway Gen-3 — Runway
Country: United States
4. Pika 2.x — Pika Labs
Country: United States
And here is where Chinese AI appears:
5. Kling AI — Kuaishou
Country: China

Let's add to this the main AI technologies and their “authors”:
Key breakthroughs of the last 10 years:
Transformer — from a Google article
Diffusion models — Western universities
RLHF (reinforcement learning with human feedback) — OpenAI
Scaling laws — OpenAI / DeepMind
This is a fact.

But China is definitely strong in this area, in creating “completely Chinese AI.”
Yes, such stories appear regularly:
- attempts at distillation (training on the outputs of someone else's model) — specifically Western ones
- scraping APIs, guess which ones?
- using public demos for retraining — I'll repeat the question — guess which ones?
This is a fact.

“China is strengthening alliances and increasing its technological superiority behind the scenes. Before you know it, China will take over the world with Russia at its side.” - sounds like slogans from the Chinese Communist Party No offense.

China will not take over the world because it has an export-oriented economy, and it's time to realize that there are no “rich markets” — China has no way to make money... How will it take over the world? With cheap consumer goods? No. Expensive, high-quality goods? Who in the third world will buy them? And then there are the complex issues of access to new Western technologies and knowledge, which are currently severely “restricted” for China.
Russia can't get away from China, “Russia is a spare bowl of rice in China's hands,” as Sechin (former Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation) put it. Russia is China's raw material appendage, which China doesn't hide, and seems to be a “guinea pig” for testing the world system.
 
If you can refute even one of the points I have made in this post, I would be happy to hear you out! I am a proponent of dialogue based on facts and arguments, not slogans!

[YUriy1991]

It is impossible to capture anything, and even more so the world without military action. Any economic leverage is instantly negated by military force. So at the moment, the United States is taking over the world, not China at all. Venezuela (oil) has already been captured, and now there is an attempt to capture Iran (more oil). So the facts show something completely different. China lost all its influence in Venezuela in one day. At least that's the situation so far.

The Chinese military is one of the strongest in the world, possessing advanced weapons technology. This is why they are highly respected on the world stage. In addition to their military, China also has extraordinary scientists capable of creating various new technological inventions that have earned them respect, placing them on par with Western nations today. The United States seized Venezuela more as an attempt to pressure China to hinder its growth by cutting off Venezuela's oil supply. However, China has alliances with other countries that possess oil reserves. Currently, China economy and technology are among the best in the world and they are stable because they are not at war with other countries. A stable economy makes it a country to be reckoned with both now and in the future.

[coupable]

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

Regarding the most advanced artificial intelligence models, China still lags behind the USA. And despite the great tech advancement in China, it is still facing problems with both factors combined; Electronic chips and capital. While private ِchineese investors don't have access to big financement to compete with american companies, the problem with electronic chips won't reach an end as long Taiwan is still in disagreement with Beijing.

The way you have written is not convincing at all and you don't have to praise the US when they are lagging behind gradually. China has overtaken the United States in terms of technology and the US can not even stand a fight with China. The United States is living in the past when China is living in the future and we don't have to hate the advancement of the China technology because they have the basic raw materials to produce good chips and build technology the US architects may have not seen before.

Where did I say that I hate China or trying undervalue it? China has precious metals but it still needs expertise and factories to build its own basic products such as microprocessors and exploitation systems. Just count by yourself how many companies are involved to produce the phone between your hands now and you will find the majority of them, if not all of them, are american production including the apps you used frequently the most. I have already mentioned the two big obstacles China is facing to be at the same level. This doesn't mean that China isn't well developped in many technological sectors, but this is another topic that can be discussed from another approach far from comparaison with the USA.

[Smack That Ace]

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

I'd say China is advancing at a very fast pace. While the US is struggling to solve its own domestic issues, China is strengthening alliances and increasing its technological superiority behind the scenes. Before you know it, China will take over the world with Russia at its side. We've been warned...

The deepseek one does use openAI the opensource version and then improved on that, which means USA had something to do with it, and China didn't had to spend billions upon billions to reach that level, they had to use an opensource that was designed to help the world start at a base level instead of from nothing.

It's still great that they used it because the world needs more competition, but they did not started from zero. Same goes for BYD and others, tesla had always been an open source product and all the patents were available showing the systems. Hence, China, even though they did exactly what I think they should, did not started from zero on anything they ever did.

In my opinion, starting from scratch when basic platforms are already available for free is an outdated and conservative mindset.

Instead, look at the positive side of the issue. If someone could build upon that basic, free platform and create even better products at a lower cost, that would be fantastic. We should not deny their talent.

Like TikTok, this idea and app are owned by China. But then, platform like instagram, youTube, and facebook all followed this trend. But we can not call that imitation or stealing ideas. That is inevitable competition.

Or like China, which is leading in silicon carbon battery production or 6G technology, and if the US and the West later produce similar products. Can we call them people who did not start from zero?

[BALIK]

To be fair, China still lags behind the United States in most areas. But there is no denying that they are developing faster and more strongly than any other country. With such a growth rate, they will sooner or later catch up with the United States if the United States does not accelerate its own growth rate.

In my opinion, the United States needs more solutions than just using trade wars and restricting technology exports to contain this country.

The United States used to face challenges with every way possible to break down its competitors. In addition to financement issues, China is facing challenges with the USA that are not directly related to artificial intelligences. Limiting access to micro chips and supporting Taiwan against China to influence TSMC products sold to China, are the weapon used by USA to stay at top countries in term of high tech and AI.

Yes, I know all of that. But in my opinion and observation, the United States can only slow down the development and rise of China. They cannot completely stop China because it is too powerful to defeat. However, it will likely take a very long time before China can match the United States.

All the chaos that Trump is causing globally is aimed at containing China  and the formation of a multipolar world. Let's wait and see if they succeed.

[coupable]

To be fair, China still lags behind the United States in most areas. But there is no denying that they are developing faster and more strongly than any other country. With such a growth rate, they will sooner or later catch up with the United States if the United States does not accelerate its own growth rate.

In my opinion, the United States needs more solutions than just using trade wars and restricting technology exports to contain this country.

The United States used to face challenges with every way possible to break down its competitors. In addition to financement issues, China is facing challenges with the USA that are not directly related to artificial intelligences. Limiting access to micro chips and supporting Taiwan against China to influence TSMC products sold to China, are the weapon used by USA to stay at top countries in term of high tech and AI.

Yes, I know all of that. But in my opinion and observation, the United States can only slow down the development and rise of China. They cannot completely stop China because it is too powerful to defeat. However, it will likely take a very long time before China can match the United States.

All the chaos that Trump is causing globally is aimed at containing China  and the formation of a multipolar world. Let's wait and see if they succeed.

In terms of technology advancement, it is an act of mentally retarded person to fight technical advancement. Science should operate in coordination between all nations. The competition is opened for whom can do better. Science should be biased of all other conflicts. American arrogance exceed all limits that can even assassinate scientists and include technological raw materials in trading war.

[Reatim]

Can you give some real examples?
- AI developed in China without using American technology?
- AI developed in China that surpasses AI from OpenAI, Anthropic, Grok, and Google Gemini?

Let's not forget about China's electric vehicles. And doesn't China has its own independent AI chatbot called "DeepSeek"? Not to mention, ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) launched a revolutionary AI-based video generator (called SeaDance 2.0) which "mimics" movie actors in real life (google it and see for yourself). Another Chinese "breakthrough".

I'd say China is advancing at a very fast pace. While the US is struggling to solve its own domestic issues, China is strengthening alliances and increasing its technological superiority behind the scenes. Before you know it, China will take over the world with Russia at its side. We've been warned...

china is very self-sufficient. yes it has its allies and it takes a lot of resources from ither countries but their economy won’t collapse if they don’t import anything from other countries. they are not dependent on others and they seem to have a whole different world there.