Newbies calling scam in ANN threads

[Chibit01]

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

If the pattern at which this scam are posted are not the-same and it can be confirmed it’s not from same person creating new account to repeat same thing then we can suspect there is something fishy which should not entirely be ignored even if there is no evidence.

Sometimes some of those accusation are just done by unsatisfied customers who did not get the type of service they where expecting so they decided to put there frustrations into calling the casino out instead of accepting defeat and move on.

[danherbias07]

Most of the time, I ignore them, especially those who cannot provide any evidence about a scam.

I treat them as an attack on the gambling site, and some of them may be paid by another gambling site to attack it. Well, there's a very broad competition in the gambling industry now, and I bet an online casino that feels like they are almost on top will need to do some dirty work to keep their position, or if they want to advance more.
It's not far from what other companies are doing if they have a loud competitor. Either in beauty products, soaps, or other things that are trying to be the number 1.

[Akbarkoe]

I’ve noticed in many active gambling ANN threads that some newbies just post scam accusation against a casino without any proof. No proper accusation, no format, no evidence,  just an explanation.

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

If I find them, I respond to them by asking for concrete evidence of their accusations so that they have a firm basis to be used as a fact that the casino they use is indeed committing errors/cheating/fraud. Many of those I responded to in the ANN thread, they don't reply to my response and disappear a few days later, they come back again to make the same accusations, accounts like that could be accounts from other casinos as competitors or could just be trolls, it's better for you to just ignore accounts like this.

[whiteblue]

I’ve noticed in many active gambling ANN threads that some newbies just post scam accusation against a casino without any proof. No proper accusation, no format, no evidence,  just an explanation.

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

If I find them, I respond to them by asking for concrete evidence of their accusations so that they have a firm basis to be used as a fact that the casino they use is indeed committing errors/cheating/fraud. Many of those I responded to in the ANN thread, they don't reply to my response and disappear a few days later, they come back again to make the same accusations, accounts like that could be accounts from other casinos as competitors or could just be trolls, it's better for you to just ignore accounts like this.

Yes, it is better to act like that, but we must first question the problem and the evidence before ignoring it, this is a wise decision that we can take because we need to know the truth of the problem, if there is a problem and can prove it, we can help them to be encouraged and it is recommended to create a thread accusing fraud according to forum standards, that is very good, besides asking first is also not detrimental before making a decision to ignore it without us knowing.

[BitMaxz]

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

To me it depends if the post includes strong evidence, but most likely those with not enough evidence are ignored. We know some accounts are just being used to attack a business because this is what I know other competitors in the same business do. In SEO a website's blogs can do similar things just to hijack traffic; it's part of this kind of business and marketing strategy to take down or at least help spread out customers to other casinos.

However, some may be telling the truth, but the problem is they don't have enough evidence to convince most of us here. If they can provide enough evidence that can take down the casino, why not? It shouldn't be ignored.

[Perfectbaby]

At first one thing we must know about these gambling sites is that there are lot of competitors amongst themselves and they could do whatever they tarnish the good images of other casinos either due to how populous they are becoming the opposite or competitors could likely hire people to go shill on their ANN thread just to scare people away from that gambling site.

But yet those who truly know what they are doing do sticks with the sites they know very well instead of them to jump from sites to site in order to run away from getting scam by the casino. Whenever you know the site that you are using to gamble especially site like stake.com have been my favourite site and barely jump from their to other gambling site this doesn’t means they haven’t gotten any bad records before but I am sure that everyone must not have similar experience while using gambling site.

At first I might be using stakes for about 1-4 years without any issue but another could just signed up and began to face problems this is because they aren’t that sticking to rules and regulations on their site so before you should be venturing into any gambling site try as much as possible to make sure you have passed you verification before making additional deposits to site just to gamble. Remember when you win a high amount the casino could find it that hard to get you verified due to amount on the account and any silly or random login could results to account restrictions.

[lionheart78]

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

Whether to take them seriously depends on the evidence the player submitted and the reputation of the casino.  We all know that there are lots of accusations made by a newbie that give good evidence, but at the end, when the casino shows its evidence, this newbie's evidence falls apart.

So, I am always neutral whenever I read an accusation about a casino.  I do not hastily judge that this party is a scammer or this party is a schemer to extort money from the other party. After all, we will see the truth when both party have shown their evidence.

[iv4n]

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

As you wrote... Most of us will ignore them unless there's evidence for their claims. It's important how they present their case, and if they do it properly, they can draw some attention. But if they are just full of talk, nobody will believe them. If they are rude and spam the ANN thread, they end up on the ignore list. That "Ignore" feature can be pretty useful for trolls & spammers.

[Cantsay]

I’ve noticed in many active gambling ANN threads that some newbies just post scam accusation against a casino without any proof. No proper accusation, no format, no evidence,  just an explanation.

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

When there are no evidence I tend to take those kind of accusations with a grain of salt, there are lots of gamblers out there who have lost so much and don’t know what else to do about it, then they’ll turn to blackmailing the casino.

If evidence is present or if they actually stay to discuss the whole thing, I’ll be willing to actually put it into thought but when they just drop the accusation and zoom off the forum I don’t even bother to consider it as an accusation.

[Fortify]

I’ve noticed in many active gambling ANN threads that some newbies just post scam accusation against a casino without any proof. No proper accusation, no format, no evidence,  just an explanation.

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

People don't like losing money, it really is that simple. Out of all the scam accusations, barring a few terrible casinos which deserve the reputation, the majority turn out to be wrong. There will always be occasional mistakes made by customer services or numerous other reasons that a casino might be in the wrong, but it's how the casino responds when called out on bad behavior that can keep their reputation good. There are certain people that try to abuse a casino, knowing they have limited means to defend their reputation and cannot reveal too much confidential information, that systematically target the good will that casinos often give in these situations. Lots of other people simply did not read or understand the rules properly before jumping in, or are just downright angry and want a refund that they really don't deserve.

[JunaidAzizi]

Most of the time, it's just a user's emotions that they express, but that form is just to hit their fan base to not go for it. There may be some real cases, but they have no evidence, and evidence is the one through which you can make your decision. Most likely, in real scams, people have many pieces of evidence that can support their stance.

However, if I can see such a case, I verify what the person is saying, to whom they are saying it, and whether this has happened with the casino before. If I find something related to it in the past, then I simply go with it, but if not, then I use it with precautions that are only verified.

[coin-investor]

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

We have the right format and right section to create an accusation. If the accuser is serious or just wants to create FUD against a casino, he will not follow our advice, and so we just treat it as spam.

It's easy to know if the accusation will not hold water, the accuser does not have something to show, or the proofs are vague; they just want to get back into the casino after losing a lot of money, or they are caught cheating, and the casino denied their payout.

Those with serious accusations will immediately upload proofs, answer every question about their accusation, and are more than willing to go through arbitration to prove their accusation is truthful.

[xbetz.io]

I think accusations should always follow the forum format: clear claim, timeline, evidence and attempt to resolve with the casino first. Emotional posts without proof don’t help anyone, while real scam reports with proper documentation are important and should be taken seriously. For me, the difference is evidence and structure, not account age.

[Alphakilo]

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

We have the right format and right section to create an accusation. If the accuser is serious or just wants to create FUD against a casino, he will not follow our advice, and so we just treat it as spam.

It's easy to know if the accusation will not hold water, the accuser does not have something to show, or the proofs are vague; they just want to get back into the casino after losing a lot of money, or they are caught cheating, and the casino denied their payout.

Those with serious accusations will immediately upload proofs, answer every question about their accusation, and are more than willing to go through arbitration to prove their accusation is truthful.

A guilty conscience fears no accusations in reality and that's very applicable here when a scam accusation is brought against a casino business here. Sometimes it is emotional outburst that makes these members say such accusations, or it could be legit.
A legit accusation brought forward shouldn't lack proper evidence and presence for questioning and that's the kind of accusations that get the right response from well meaning forum members and even the casino representatives here on the forum.

[uchegod-21]

Generally, accusations without any evidence at all should be treated with caution to avoid taking actions you would regret in the future. It is not just about gambling, it should be applied in every kind of situation. I consider most of these rants by newbies on ANN thread to be mere emotional reactions, no facts in them. If they are truly serious about reporting any case, they should follow the right procedure. They should present transaction I.Ds, screenshots of  conversations and claims which are very clear with facts. If it does not appear this way, I am not going to treat it as a serious claim.

[bitbollo]

You can easily ignore them. Of course, any complaint (even if clearly fake) requires few minutes of attention.
If a newbie as a serious issue he will create a proper topic.
But most of the times these are just random claims / regrets about their session. There are few way to cheat a casino/sportbook.
It seems that in some area/countries this is a well known strategy

[FirmWars]

If I see more than one member complain of the same issue about a casino, I will be conscious while using the casino, even if I don't completely agree with their accusations I will have a symptom of doubt in my spirit and that will make me be conscious. The main reason why I will have some doubt about the casino is if their ANN thread is no longer active and their forum representative is not also active on the forum. It's possible that some of those newbie account just want to spoil the casinos reputation or they could also be saying the truth but it's better to trade carefully.

[Cyber_warrior]

So it makes me wonder if these are real warnings or just emotional posts from people who lost money or don’t understand how gambling sites work. Real scams exist, sure, but throwing accusations like this doesn’t really help.

I don’t know the motive that people are always having behind that, or is it that those people are just planning to spoil the casinos reputation, they want people to think the casino is a scam one so that people won’t be making use of the Casino.

If you lose your money when gambling, that doesn’t mean you are going to be calling the casinos a scam one, they are not the cause of your loss, so why trying to spoil their reputation. If you make use of a casino and you lose, then just stop gambling, and if you think the casino is the  bad luck, then just stop making use of it.

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

If there is a scam accusation and there is no proper evidence, then they should be ignored, before anyone is going to be punished, then proper evidence is suppose to be provided. If there is no proper evidence, then there shouldn’t be case, because just imagine someone is being punished for the offense he didn’t commit.

[Agbamoni]

How do you usually treat these posts, do you take them seriously or ignore them unless there’s a proper scam accusation with evidence?

I treat them equally, the same way I would treat a high-ranking account that accuses a casino of scam. They could be right, and they could be wrong. What I do is check the accusation, understand whether the casino is guilty or not.

I dont jump to a conclusion because the account is a newbie account. Most newbies' accounts are high-ranked members who share their concerns so that no one knows they are the ones.

[stadus]

It seems that in some area/countries this is a well known strategy

This isn’t really about country restrictions. It’s more about certain players who are trying to cheat the casino.

Some of them even blame the casino for letting them play when their country is supposedly restricted. They gamble anyway, then once they lose, they use that as leverage to threaten or blackmail the casino. They’ll look for any loophole they think can force the casino into compensating them. That’s why we also need to be careful when reading these cases, not every accusation is as clean as it looks.