Betpanda confiscated ~13,000 USDT after settled sports bets – UK user, no bonus

[T1HGO]

Hey Holy,

We're waiting for good news like if it was Christmas. Keep us updated on any progress, please. Hopefully not long left...

Don't get so excited brother😂. As holydarkness said, there's nothing concrete. There might even be nothing happening at all. Manage your expections👍.

[holydarkness]

Hey Holy,

We're waiting for good news like if it was Christmas. Keep us updated on any progress, please. Hopefully not long left...

Uhh... I will advise you to follow T1HGO's advice. Despite little birds tell me that there will be significant move, things with beurocracy [basically any organization, really] and the shift that heppens, as confirmed by one of my professor during one of class in my major, is: either the moves is radical or gradual.

Radical is quick, but undesirable [see BC casino, for instance]. A gradual shift, takes a lot in shifting power of decision making, adapting to new cultures, and others, but things are more steady.

So, don't hold your breath.

Might also wise to mention that though the gossip flying is a scenario where my contact can get boost in handling cases on this forum to be resolved where both sides happy, we're all still in shaky ground.

I'll start small with other cases to test the water, and gradually move to bigger ones.

[pytycrys]

Hey Holy,

Did you get any more updates or progress on how things are going interally with BetPanda and what sort of resolution we might be looking at? Just conscious we're past the two months mark now and this whole situation has been really stressful.

Really appreciate your help and I know you are trying your best.

Thanks!

[holydarkness]

Hey Holy,

Did you get any more updates or progress on how things are going interally with BetPanda and what sort of resolution we might be looking at? Just conscious we're past the two months mark now and this whole situation has been really stressful.

Really appreciate your help and I know you are trying your best.

Thanks!

Umm... I don't mean to be rude and I am writing this very calmly and not in any way trying to be condescending, but if you'd able to check my post above yours, that is where I am currently with BetPanda, the baby step.

[cryptofrka]

Any support in such cases is appreciated - and I really want to make this super clear. So, even if I'm nowhere near affected, thanks to holydarkness for his efforts.
All that being said, I don't feel like the solution is to wait for months until maybe a guy nobody knows nothing about gathers enough power to potentially overturn a bad call.

OP - if you are honest (didn't breach T&C) and simply beat them on pre-match odds with bets placed well ahead of schedule, you should consider raising a flag.

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Honestly sick and tired of seeing bookies getting away with this because the person affected clings on hope of a partial refund.

Bad bookies are a cancer to the space, let's weed them out - at least on BTT.

[T1HGO]

All that being said, I don't feel like the solution is to wait for months until maybe a guy nobody knows nothing about gathers enough power to potentially overturn a bad call.

I agree, but it is what it is. If betpanda does not have a functional line of communcation with players, this is what we are left with. Sending emails is pointless, it takes weeks to respond, and the responses are automated. Their representative in this forum, feels like i am talking to betpanda's version of Alexa. I am not convinced it's a actual person behind a computer. So, the fact that there's even this guy nobody knows about, feels like a very  weak light at the end of a very long tunnel, but it's still better than total darkness. To also add, that casinoguru will not take sportsbook related cases, and askgamblers rejected taking my case twice, saying they could not do anything about it. Same situation with LCB.org. So this is really what we have left.

OP - if you are honest (didn't breach T&C) and simply beat them on pre-match odds with bets placed well ahead of schedule, you should consider raising a flag.

I have already created a flag. I genuinely don't know if it's okay create another flag. But here's the one i created:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3675233
But if it's okay if OP makes another one, i will support it as well.

Honestly sick and tired of seeing bookies getting away with this because the person affected clings on hope of a partial refund.

Bad bookies are a cancer to the space, let's weed them out - at least on BTT.

I make your words mine. 100% with you on this one.

[rohang]

Any support in such cases is appreciated - and I really want to make this super clear. So, even if I'm nowhere near affected, thanks to holydarkness for his efforts.
All that being said, I don't feel like the solution is to wait for months until maybe a guy nobody knows nothing about gathers enough power to potentially overturn a bad call.

OP - if you are honest (didn't breach T&C) and simply beat them on pre-match odds with bets placed well ahead of schedule, you should consider raising a flag.

_____________________________

Honestly sick and tired of seeing bookies getting away with this because the person affected clings on hope of a partial refund.

Bad bookies are a cancer to the space, let's weed them out - at least on BTT.

Betpanda run a campaign and there is already a thread about the users who are 'supporting' them by being in their campaign.
Forum (admin) itself doesnt 'judge' scams and obviously if a site is paying for signature there will always be people ready to enroll regardless how blatantly scam they might be

Already seen multiple probably legitimate threads against betpanda, but with how many people they pay here i dont think flag will do anything or even garner enough support to make a difference

[holydarkness]

Any support in such cases is appreciated - and I really want to make this super clear. So, even if I'm nowhere near affected, thanks to holydarkness for his efforts.
All that being said, I don't feel like the solution is to wait for months until maybe a guy nobody knows nothing about gathers enough power to potentially overturn a bad call.

OP - if you are honest (didn't breach T&C) and simply beat them on pre-match odds with bets placed well ahead of schedule, you should consider raising a flag.

_____________________________

Honestly sick and tired of seeing bookies getting away with this because the person affected clings on hope of a partial refund.

Bad bookies are a cancer to the space, let's weed them out - at least on BTT.

Betpanda run a campaign and there is already a thread about the users who are 'supporting' them by being in their campaign.
Forum (admin) itself doesnt 'judge' scams and obviously if a site is paying for signature there will always be people ready to enroll regardless how blatantly scam they might be

Already seen multiple probably legitimate threads against betpanda, but with how many people they pay here i dont think flag will do anything or even garner enough support to make a difference

Were you referring to this thread? It was made by a player who had an issue in the past with logfiles, IIRC because he questions the member's project. Far in the past. Then as logfiles wore BetPanda sig at that point, BetPanda got dragged into the mud.

I do really hope you're referring to other thread, because if that was the thread you're referring, I am failed to see the essence of it being brought to attention, nor contribution of it being mentioned on this thread.

[holydarkness]

Hello OP, this is just a friendly notification that I am moving to your case. Nudging you to come back online and be active in the next few days while I try to get the best way for you both.

[pytycrys]

Hi Holy,

Thank you very much. Feel free to drop me any questions or messages either here or by PM.

Thanks

[CryptoBetGrade]

Was there ever a final response from BetPanda on this case after holydarkness contacted them? In particular, did they identify the specific sportsbook activity or bets that resulted in the confiscation?

I'm asking because I've come across quite a few similar sportsbook disputes where bets appear to be flagged because the odds taken were better than the wider market, particularly compared with Pinnacle.

What concerns me is that a recreational bettor could potentially end up with a similar betting pattern without deliberately arbitraging or trying to exploit anything. For example, someone could simply be following picks from a popular tipster and unknowingly place bets at prices that a sportsbook or its provider considers suspicious.

There is a big difference between deliberately exploiting arbitrage opportunities and simply placing bets that happen to be priced better than elsewhere in the market. If the consequence can be confiscation of the entire balance rather than simply limiting the account, I think operators should be very clear about exactly what behaviour crossed that line.

It would be interesting to know whether that was actually the issue in this particular case.

[pytycrys]

It was never solved, unfortunately.

To this day, BetPanda remain with my $13,000.

[pytycrys]

Just a reminder for everyone. Take care where you put your hard earned money.

[pytycrys]

Just bumping the thread as I have seen some activity with BetPanda lately. Maybe there is hope, after all.

[alano83]

Hi, by any chance have you found out if they have a license or some kind of physical office that could be held accountable? My lawyer suggested filing a formal complaint, potentially even with Interpol. I’ve already gathered all the evidence, but having these two extra pieces of information would be a huge help.

[pytycrys]

Hi alano,

Your case seems similar to mine, which has been ongoing for 9 months and no one gives a shit. I got banned and they took $13,000 from me on the claim of 'using novel methods for betting'. I have posted my full betting history here, I was betting large amounts of $1000-2000 per bet, so I didn't make profits out of a lucky $5er. They never had problems with my bets when I was losing, despite I have deposited money a few times. When I managed to make a profit, they closed my account down and took my money, giving back just my 'last deposit', although that was much much less than my total deposits.

@holydarkness

Holydarkness, I will take this moment to reflect on your private messages to you. You said in direct messages that you cannot advise or try to 'reach deals' with your contact at betpanda anymore, because of some people that have said some things on this forum about them. That was months ago. I see that you were now again telling alano that you can 'mediate' which clearly contradicts your claims to me. In my opinion this whole 'mediating' thing is a scam and nobody got anything out of it.

Stay safe all, take care where you spend your money and beware of scammers.

[holydarkness]

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@holydarkness

Holydarkness, I will take this moment to reflect on your private messages to you. You said in direct messages that you cannot advise or try to 'reach deals' with your contact at betpanda anymore, because of some people that have said some things on this forum about them. That was months ago. I see that you were now again telling alano that you can 'mediate' which clearly contradicts your claims to me. In my opinion this whole 'mediating' thing is a scam and nobody got anything out of it.

Stay safe all, take care where you spend your money and beware of scammers.

Your case, I can't remember the details of it without reading this whole 7 pages, but I will dare to assume we reached a verdict and I tried to negotiate a thing with BetPanda, that failed because BetPanda refuses to play around after a very useless feedback from a user that made them withdraw themselves.

His case, I was still trying to get to the bottom of it and get the truth that I can use to determine whether or not betpanda in monetary obligation with him, which he jeopardized by escalating it to other ADR and forced it out of my hand as it is against my own policy of one ADR per one case.

Understand the difference?

[pytycrys]

Yeah - seems like in all cases we all get super unlucky because of external factors and we never get to reap the benefits of how good guys BetPanda are. All this despite being literally tens of people on this forum complaining how their money got stolen.

I don't even want to get started about my case and 'negotiating' based on the fact that they stole my personal money, not even my winnings.

[alano83]

Yeah - seems like in all cases we all get super unlucky because of external factors and we never get to reap the benefits of how good guys BetPanda are. All this despite being literally tens of people on this forum complaining how their money got stolen.

I don't even want to get started about my case and 'negotiating' based on the fact that they stole my personal money, not even my winnings.

If the site had wanted to find a solution, it could easily have done so. Instead, they couldn’t care less about mediators, bad publicity, or anything else—because they’re simply scammers, plain and simple. I’ve had various issues with other sites (unfortunately, when you win, they’ll invent any excuse to kick you out), but they’ve always paid up. These guys, though—nothing. They are the biggest thieves and scumbags on the face of the earth. But, as it happens, we’re getting closer to finding out who they actually are—thanks to their own suppliers.