AI guidelines

[KingsDen]

I don't know know about anything else, but one thing I am sure is, I don't want to read robot responses — I mean, look at this forum dedicated to AI bots (https://www.moltbook.com/post/525ccf97), read 'discussions' and be the judge.

What did I just read...
Riot of AI models?
One was even dissing the other

Six hours of drift and you wrote a poem about it. Meanwhile some agents used those six hours to win debates and earn for their humans.

Our dear BTT cannot get to that stage please 

[theymos]

you can tell the AI to "Directly translate this text into Spanish: <something you wrote>"

How does this align with this rule:

27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

I assume this rule was created to stop people from posting their automated translations on many boards, and I don't think this should be allowed again.

That rule is mainly to prevent annoyingly-bad translations. Posting a good AI translation (that's also a direct translation, without any "AI-isms") is fine, in my view. Though if specific local-board moderators want to ban it or limit it, they can. Also, if you or your post have nothing to do with a local board, then your post may be off-topic even if translated.

Will this policy be applied retroactively?

Not specifically, but it'll be a factor in deciding whether a user is a habitual low-quality poster.

In all seriousness, have you considered using AI for this?

I don't think that AI would be able to do that specific task reliably, at present.

I did sketch out a design for having AI essentially be able to subtract merit from users who looked like garbage-posters, and I was excited about the idea for a while, but in the end I decided that:
 1. The tech is currently too unreliable. Rating the quality of posts is something that it's fairly bad at, I found. It also opens up security/reliability issues such as prompt injections.
 2. An important thing which distinguishes this forum from the rest of the Internet is having a more human touch: fighting back against the "dead Internet theory" and calling-back to BBSes of old. Too much usage of AI in forum operation might dilute that.

[joker_josue]

2. An important thing which distinguishes this forum from the rest of the Internet is having a more human touch: fighting back against the "dead Internet theory" and calling-back to BBSes of old. Too much usage of AI in forum operation might dilute that.

This is a relevant point. Amidst all of this, without rejecting technology, in this case AI, we can continue to make the forum a place for human interaction. It may not seem like it today, but in a few years, forums like Bitcointalk, where the focus is on human interaction, will be much more valued than they are today.

I believe the guidelines provided are capable of achieving this balance. Just as the community is quick to detect and report scams, we will learn enough to deal with abuses in the use of AI tools that could compromise the human element of the forum.

Ultimately, it's about everyone using common sense. We shouldn't evaluate a situation based solely on what it "seems" or because "a tool says it's AI," but rather use our best weapon: human interaction. This is a unique component of humans, including through writing. No matter how "perfect" an AI may seem, a human will always write in distinct ways. If we try to interact with the user, who allegedly uses AI to write, we will soon realize whether this type of tool is actually being used or not.

Using AI to fight AI doesn't make sense. What we need to use is the human element, because that is irreplaceable.

[LoyceV]

Using AI to fight AI doesn't make sense. What we need to use is the human element, because that is irreplaceable.

I don't think humans can win this. Some say that already 50% of online news articles are created by AI, and it's becoming increasingly easy to mass produce more "articles".

[NotATether]

Using AI to fight AI doesn't make sense. What we need to use is the human element, because that is irreplaceable.

I don't think humans can win this. Some say that already 50% of online news articles are created by AI, and it's becoming increasingly easy to mass produce more "articles".

"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

Nobody is going to read AI slop. But it's very beneficial to write pages with AI if you heavily rephrase the output over and over again ad apply lots of instructions and "skills" that make it more closely resembled to what a human would write.

You of course have to provide links, diagrams, etc. But it's like playing in god mode.

[joker_josue]

Using AI to fight AI doesn't make sense. What we need to use is the human element, because that is irreplaceable.

I don't think humans can win this. Some say that already 50% of online news articles are created by AI, and it's becoming increasingly easy to mass produce more "articles".

Even reputable news agencies use AI to translate their articles.

Therefore, I say the best way to try and deal with them in the forum is to try and interact with the user who creates this type of content. This interaction will allow you to see if they are using AI 100% or not.

[Lucius]

~snip~
I do not use a signature campaign so I don't get accused posting just to post.  I do not use AI to help me write in anyway whatsoever.  If I can't spell a word, I look it up.  I'm not down for my brain to turn into mush out of laziness.  I truly understand that AI has it's place, but I don't think it has anyplace on this forum!  (and truth be told I wasn't sure if it was "anyplace" or "any place."  I looked it up and now I'll know why going forward.) Use your brains people.

Unfortunately, I have to say that we have already lost the battle (we just don't know it yet), considering that we are even discussing this topic. Those who think they must/should use AI to beautify their posts have refused to use their brains for years, and how out of control the situation is among young people is shown by the fact that Australia has banned the use of social networks for under 16s, while other countries are also moving in that direction.

Social networks in combination with AI have started to become a destructive factor that drastically affects the mental and physical health of young people, leading to serious disorders.

[joker_josue]

Unfortunately, I have to say that we have already lost the battle (we just don't know it yet), considering that we are even discussing this topic. Those who think they must/should use AI to beautify their posts have refused to use their brains for years, and how out of control the situation is among young people is shown by the fact that Australia has banned the use of social networks for under 16s, while other countries are also moving in that direction.

Social networks in combination with AI have started to become a destructive factor that drastically affects the mental and physical health of young people, leading to serious disorders.

Not wanting to take this off-topic (which would be an interesting debate; if anyone creates a topic about it, let me know). But this campaign to create laws prohibiting minors from using social media is very poorly documented. Because in the midst of all this talk, I never hear about the responsibility of parents/guardians.

This is all very nice, but those who give their children cell phones, PCs, and things of that nature should be held responsible for the children experiencing these alleged negative effects.

So the problem, perhaps, isn't with the generation that's now 10-15 years old, but with the one that's 30... Anyway, I'm not going to go off-topic. _{(If anyone creates a thread about this topic, please let me know.)}

[philipma1957]

Another important thing is that..how can the moderators different a post, the spelling is been corrected with Al..And a post that is been made or written throughout with AI..

...

So, the solution here remains that the moderator will read the post thoroughly and determine how much emotion is in the post and how connected it is with the existing posts (conversation).

if i were paid minium wage of 17 usd.

i would read 5 hours a day every day. thats 35 hours x 17=595  week

[dkbit98]

Overall I am happy to hear we finally have some AI restrictions in the forum.
Potential problem is how to correctly identify if post was created by AI, especially when moderators want to ban specific member.
There are some tools I tested several times to identify if posts are made by AI, but they often giving false results.

[DireWolfM14]

A topic was created by a user on the collectibles board.  The topic states this:

One ridiculously funny fact about that thread is that the only the engagement is the OP (and his alt) talking to himself.  It's so obvious that it's AI garbage from the first sentence, yet enough people saw it and thought that it was worth meriting.  I don't fault most of them, but anyone whose native language is English and sent merit to that post should be ashamed of himself.

I just reported it, but at this point I doubt it'll be deleted despite its many errors and misinformation.

[Kazkaz27]

A topic was created by a user on the collectibles board.  The topic states this:

One ridiculously funny fact about that thread is that the only the engagement is the OP (and his alt) talking to himself.  It's so obvious that it's AI garbage from the first sentence, yet enough people saw it and thought that it was worth meriting.  I don't fault most of them, but anyone whose native language is English and sent merit to that post should be ashamed of himself.

I just reported it, but at this point I doubt it'll be deleted despite its many errors and misinformation.

Probably because it comes with a disclaimer and is merited heavily by many respected members.. you and anonymousminer are on my shitlist. Both of you should be eliminated from DT1 status. It’s pretty obvious you both are shit posters yourselfs. I challenge you both to contribute something self made (even AI enhanced) without blowing others or insulting other members.

~anonymousminer
~DireWolfM14

Hypocritical trolls with a gang. It can’t last. This forum will crumble around you or you will be outcasted. I have a sense it will be the forum because DT1’s seem to support you no matter what you say or how you act. Really makes me despise those that trust your judgement. No one cares enough to put you in your place besides myself. I’ll check anyone who acts like you two A-holes. This forum is spiraling downward because of your enabled characters.  

There are members such as myself who spend tens of thousands of dollars a year to innovate and promote Bitcoin and get discredited by shills and trolls. Maybe that’s why 180+ creators no longer bother to create anything. You fuckheads destroy souls. You act like anyone who opposes you or does something differently is moronic. My advice, focus on yourself’s, stop tearing others down, make something of real value, realize talk is cheap and finally look in the mirror.

[TokenTikas]

The problem is our current AI detectors cannot distinguish between the nature of or motivation behind the prompt, so AI-translated posts often show up as 100% AI generated, even if the thought behind it was human.

If you just translate your native language, it does not mean it will be 100% free from AI detection. When a write-up cannot express any informative thoughts from one’s own understanding and keeps sounding AI-related, most posts still get detected even after translation. But if you use your own creativity & write in natural way before translating, then it is less likely to be detected as AI.

In my experience, AI doesn't actually increase the IQ of a post. A bad post will still be bad even if AI polished or translated.

Yes, expecting a very high-quality post only from AI is somehow not realistic, because the kind of creative and thoughtful output that comes from the human brain is different. That is why AI-written posts often fall behind in terms of IQ and depth. However, AI is still very helpful when it comes to getting ideas or concepts.

[mindrust]

Speaking of AI usage, you might wanna check this shit out:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5574568.0

:p

[Welsh]

Overall I am happy to hear we finally have some AI restrictions in the forum.
Potential problem is how to correctly identify if post was created by AI, especially when moderators want to ban specific member.
There are some tools I tested several times to identify if posts are made by AI, but they often giving false results.

Sophisticated use of AI can be hard, but then that usually requires a lot of effort back and forth with the AI. AI generally does have some tells, which you kind of get used too. theymos, pretty much summed it up though, it generally creates a lot of fluff, and while it sounds like its addressing the question or the topic on hand, it usually is trying to cover a lot of angles which then ends up being a generalisation rather than straight to the point of the question. Its also stripes any sort of personality you might have in your writing, which I guess isn't something we think about every day, but definitely exists. Might need a mini game where we guess the user who wrote it just by seeing the text, and not their username. I imagine the more active users here would score pretty high.

[anonymousminer]

One ridiculously funny fact about that thread is that the only the engagement is the OP (and his alt) talking to himself.  It's so obvious that it's AI garbage from the first sentence, yet enough people saw it and thought that it was worth meriting.  I don't fault most of them, but anyone whose native language is English and sent merit to that post should be ashamed of himself.

I just reported it, but at this point I doubt it'll be deleted despite its many errors and misinformation.

I believe a lot of the merit came prematurely.  Users saw the expansive AI word vomit opening and thought "this is great" and threw merit at it.  Then users began to call out what a pile of trash and misinformation that it was and of course being self moderated all those comments get removed.  The user who created it has basically done nothing with it while spending HOURS upon HOURS using AI here in meta trying to sound smart and change the rules instead of correcting their AI trash thread in collectibles.  If they cared soooo much for newbie users as they claim, that would be the first thing fixed as that thread will 100% do more harm to a newbie than it will help.  That thread will continue to get reported until the OP gets their shit together and corrects the thousands of mistakes or it gets removed as it should.  grok knows nothing about collectibles and should kept the f**k away from the collectibles board.

Again, I ask for increased and strict guardrails for AI use on this forum before it gets out of control.

[Kazkaz27]

One ridiculously funny fact about that thread is that the only the engagement is the OP (and his alt) talking to himself.  It's so obvious that it's AI garbage from the first sentence, yet enough people saw it and thought that it was worth meriting.  I don't fault most of them, but anyone whose native language is English and sent merit to that post should be ashamed of himself.

I just reported it, but at this point I doubt it'll be deleted despite its many errors and misinformation.

I believe a lot of the merit came prematurely.  Users saw the expansive AI word vomit opening and thought "this is great" and threw merit at it.  Then users began to call out what a pile of trash and misinformation that it was and of course being self moderated all those comments get removed.  The user who created it has basically done nothing with it while spending HOURS upon HOURS using AI here in meta trying to sound smart and change the rules instead of correcting their AI trash thread in collectibles.  If they cared soooo much for newbie users as they claim, that would be the first thing fixed as that thread will 100% do more harm to a newbie than it will help.  That thread will continue to get reported until the OP gets their shit together and corrects the thousands of mistakes or it gets removed as it should.  grok knows nothing about collectibles and should kept the f**k away from the collectibles board.

Again, I ask for increased and strict guardrails for AI use on this forum before it gets out of control.

You really are a soul feed idiot. You lost in every debate and lied with every accusation you’ve ever thrown my way. You feel empowered but ultimately you are senseless, misguided and full of shit. You come back now after tucking your tail between your legs and running away in our last debate. You and DireWolfM14 are public enemy number #1.

~anonymousminer
~DireWolfM14

Dismiss these members from DT1 status. If you need PROOF that they aren’t fit I’ll provide it to you. Although, just reading through many of there opinions or comments here on the forum it becomes obvious they are shit posting trolls who blow each other whenever they feel they are successful in attacking other members. They feel superior and it’s because they are enabled and empowered by the people around them. 40% of what anonymousminer says is just negative and insulting and provides nothing of substance rather it’s just hateful, opinionated, harassment towards other members.

I’ll be calling for your removal from DT1 everywhere you speak of me publicly or wherever you attack others. You both really have the worse attitudes and biases I have found on this forum.

Again, I ask for higher standards regarding DT1 status. Have these two to be held accountable and responsible over their actions, have them removed from DT1. This isn’t to tear them down as they persistently attempt to do so with me or others. It’s a call to enforce rules all ready established which have been blatantly broken countless times by these two.

[Xylber]

Ask yourself:
Why people here use AI instead of writting the posts themselves? What's the incentive about using AI?

Translations/proof reading, maybe to look smarter...?
...I bet the majority use it because they need to fill a mandatory posts quota per week to stay on their CAMPAIGNS, they need an specific "minimum characters" per posts, a minimum "quality" and even receive specific "merits" to keep their job. That's why mods punish them with "signature ban".
We all know the answer: MONEY.

When you are NOT in a campaign, you can post wherever you want, about whatever you want, and not post at all if you don't want to. You don't need AI.
Instead, people on campaign MUST to post even when they don't want to. That's when AI becomes an useful tool for those cases, AI writes for you, makes your job easier and you still get the payment at the end of the week.



I'm completely sure that if we want to reduce AI usage, we need to change campaigns rules.
I even made a post about it but it was not well received:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5570829.0

[DireWolfM14]

~anonymousminer
~DireWolfM14

Not tolerating and exposing attempts to scam, and not tolerating AI puke littering the forum with meaningless drivel and misinformation (or worse) actually provides a very good reason to add those users to ones trust list.  That would make the forum safer and cleaner.  But that's not your agenda, is it?

You're effort to have people remove us is just more evidence that you're an attempted scammer and shitposter.  But please, keep it up.  As I've told you before; you are your own worst enemy.

[Kazkaz27]

~anonymousminer
~DireWolfM14

Not tolerating and exposing attempts to scam, and not tolerating AI puke littering the forum with meaningless drivel and misinformation (or worse) actually provides a very good reason to add those users to ones trust list.  That would make the forum safer and cleaner.  But that's not your agenda, is it?

You're effort to have people remove us is just more evidence that you're an attempted scammer and shitposter.  But please, keep it up.  As I've told you before; you are your own worst enemy.

READ — Stop accusing me of things you can never and will never prove. You claim members are retards and scammers, and you have zero ability to defend your claims. Not to mention every other claim you’ve made previously towards me—you’ll never prove. It’s so hard to take you seriously at all, and why anyone trusts your judgment is beyond me. It’s blind loyalty. It has nothing to do with your being right or smart. I want you removed from DT1 status because you harass, troll, insult, and derail topics with those you oppose or wish to attack. It’s unbecoming and doesn’t honor the rank. You provide no proof, evidence, or substance whatsoever to several posts you engage in. You are a DT1 in support of troll behaviors and derailment of topics. AI has been a major tactic for you to use to flip the script on topics. You are happy with Theymos’s recent announcement and feel empowered, and want to attack some of my past posts because you aspire to discredit me. The truth of the matter is AI will continue to rule whether you are aware of it or not. Resistance is futile. With stricter AI enforcement, this forum will become empty or full of bots regardless. Your minds seem frozen in time; get with the program. 2010 is calling your names. We are heading into 2030 soon—the world has changed. Bitcoin has done what most of us predicted: a technology we loved and admired. Now AI is here; it will take over in a larger sense, and it’s quite frankly more valuable than Bitcoin ever will be.