President Donald Trump and president Putin don't have respect for democracy

[Bigjoe158]

If there is a man who don't have respect for democracy that man is Donald Trump. He invades other countries at will and that is a bad signal for other president coming after them. There is no difference between him and president Putin of Russia who invaded Ukraine. Now my question is, are these two really democrats or a problem to world?

[PostQuantumBTC]

There is no difference between him and president Putin of Russia who invaded Ukraine. Now my question is, are these two really democrats or a problem to world?

Big countries are big problems, I wish NATO has not expanded towards Russia. United States and NATO caused the war in Russia. Russia gave a warning to Ukraine, the president listened but they ousted him and put in NATO friendly president. After was Zelensky, another NATO friendly president. I wished Ukraine has been more friendly towards Russia. Russia wanted to be part of NATO but United States said NO, but they kept accepting more countries to be part of NATO and moving towards Russia border.

Trump is a bully and he is one of the presidents I can not like. He called Canada the 51st states, he wanted to acquire Greenland, he arrested the president of Venezuela by force which is very wrong and he now wants to fight Iran. I guess you are talking about Iran which I will also talk a little further about.

The president of Iran is not liked by his people according to what we have been seeing online. People protested but the Iranian government killed thousands of their citizens because they were protesting. That was highly unfair and horrible. Recently the Iranian university students also protested against the government of Iran. That is showing that they want their government to be changed.

About the nuclear enrichment, Iran might agree to that, but they are not agreeing to end creation of missiles. The country can not want to be defenseless and they do not agree. It is very possible that Trump wants the war but Iran are not also bowing down.

[JeromeTash]

Democracy is just an illusion

You hand over power to someone via ballot paper or whatever means, and you expect them to respect you, your feelings and your taxes after getting into office? No way 
The earlier you accept that there is nothing like democratic politics, the better for your mental health. Things look good in theory, but when it comes to practice, humans become very predictable.

[BADecker]

^^^ Right. 'Democracy' is just another word for group dictatorship. That's why the founding fathers of the USA included the Republic, which is over the US Democracy.

The first thing for the people of America to do is to learn common law, the way the Republic works, so they can control the Democracy through court action.

The second thing they should do is push legal law through that makes the platform of elected officials to be a contract with the people. The penalty for not fulfilling the contract is death.

The practical thing they should do right now is, start using Bitcoin for all their transacting. Make PMA unincorporated Bitcoin banks, and let the Federal Reserve Bank die for lack of users.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Russia wanted to be part of NATO but United States said NO, but they kept accepting more countries to be part of NATO and moving towards Russia border.

You seriously think that?
Fun Facts: NATO was created after WW2 specifically to counter Russia's splitting Germany in half and taking over Hungry, Poland, and several other small countries that border Russia proper. NATO has ALWAYS been on the border of countries Russia controlled.

The only reason it is moving towards the Russian border proper is because Hungry, Poland et al left the sphere of Russian influence in 1989 to stand their own as fully independent Sovereign nations. Because they rightly feared Russia would eventually want to take them back is why they joined NATO.

[BADecker]

Russia wanted to be part of NATO but United States said NO, but they kept accepting more countries to be part of NATO and moving towards Russia border.

You seriously think that?
Fun Facts: NATO was created specifically to counter Russia's taking over Hungry, Poland, and several other small countries after WW2. It has ALWAYS been on the border of countries Russia controlled.

The only reason it is moving towards the Russian border proper is because Hungry, Poland et al left the sphere of Russian influence to stand their own as Sovereign nations. Because they rightly feared Russia would eventually want to take them back is why they joined NATO.

And Russia didn't complain much when NATO broke its treaties to not expand. But the point why Ukraine is different is this.

Ukraine did it violently against Russians who had been living in Ukraine for decades. The Ukraine violence showed that they were starting to literally and forcefully act against Russia.

Even today, if the war ended just like that, Russia wouldn't mind if Ukraine traded with the rest of Europe like they did for years before the war. The problem exists when the leaders of NATO and the EU use Ukraine to violently push towards taking Russia over. Russia is defending itself. That's all.





EDIT: Of course Putin has respect for Democracy. Democracy is just another name for Group Dictatorship, the exact thing that Russia and the US have... in different forms, of course.

[Mhizlove]

Democracy is just an illusion

You hand over power to someone via ballot paper or whatever means, and you expect them to respect you, your feelings and your taxes after getting into office? No way 
The earlier you accept that there is nothing like democratic politics, the better for your mental health. Things look good in theory, but when it comes to practice, humans become very predictable.

I agree with you because when it comes to theory and reality it's very different even when it comes to an election people still put their interest at heart first or let me say they do prioritise their interests. so the only thing that can be done is when we manage our expectations and put our focus on little ways that can help the system without any stress

[DrBeer]

Russia wanted to be part of NATO but United States said NO, but they kept accepting more countries to be part of NATO and moving towards Russia border.

You seriously think that?
Fun Facts: NATO was created specifically to counter Russia's taking over Hungry, Poland, and several other small countries after WW2. It has ALWAYS been on the border of countries Russia controlled.

The only reason it is moving towards the Russian border proper is because Hungry, Poland et al left the sphere of Russian influence to stand their own as Sovereign nations. Because they rightly feared Russia would eventually want to take them back is why they joined NATO.

And Russia didn't complain much when NATO broke its treaties to not expand. But the point why Ukraine is different is this.

Ukraine did it violently against Russians who had been living in Ukraine for decades. The Ukraine violence showed that they were starting to literally and forcefully act against Russia.

Even today, if the war ended just like that, Russia wouldn't mind if Ukraine traded with the rest of Europe like they did for years before the war. The problem exists when the leaders of NATO and the EU use Ukraine to violently push towards taking Russia over. Russia is defending itself. That's all.





EDIT: Of course Putin has respect for Democracy. Democracy is just another name for Group Dictatorship, the exact thing that Russia and the US have... in different forms, of course.

Oh, what an interesting story )) Although, yes, that's typical of you
Will you tell everyone here, including me, a Russian by origin and a citizen of Ukraine, how Russians and Russian speakers have been oppressed in Ukraine for many years? I would be very interested to hear about it, as it seems I have missed a lot here in Ukraine

Oh yes, and most importantly, tell us which regions and cities were destroyed first by Russian terrorist troops? I'll give you a hint: the south and east of Ukraine, which were the most Russian-speaking! Now they are gone, Russia “saved” them by destroying their homes and taking their lives.
Probably many people don't understand what kind of concept of salvation this is, but I'm sure you can explain

PS Please pay attention to Article 10 of the Constitution of Ukraine. I'm also interested in your opinion, except for your attempts to spread Rashism propaganda here again.
So, I look forward to your response

[BADecker]

Russia wanted to be part of NATO but United States said NO, but they kept accepting more countries to be part of NATO and moving towards Russia border.

You seriously think that?
Fun Facts: NATO was created specifically to counter Russia's taking over Hungry, Poland, and several other small countries after WW2. It has ALWAYS been on the border of countries Russia controlled.

The only reason it is moving towards the Russian border proper is because Hungry, Poland et al left the sphere of Russian influence to stand their own as Sovereign nations. Because they rightly feared Russia would eventually want to take them back is why they joined NATO.

And Russia didn't complain much when NATO broke its treaties to not expand. But the point why Ukraine is different is this.

Ukraine did it violently against Russians who had been living in Ukraine for decades. The Ukraine violence showed that they were starting to literally and forcefully act against Russia.

Even today, if the war ended just like that, Russia wouldn't mind if Ukraine traded with the rest of Europe like they did for years before the war. The problem exists when the leaders of NATO and the EU use Ukraine to violently push towards taking Russia over. Russia is defending itself. That's all.





EDIT: Of course Putin has respect for Democracy. Democracy is just another name for Group Dictatorship, the exact thing that Russia and the US have... in different forms, of course.

Oh, what an interesting story )) Although, yes, that's typical of you
Will you tell everyone here, including me, a Russian by origin and a citizen of Ukraine, how Russians and Russian speakers have been oppressed in Ukraine for many years? I would be very interested to hear about it, as it seems I have missed a lot here in Ukraine

You really should get out a little. When Russians living in what I term the Black Sea Corridor (BSC) asked for help from Russia, they didn't realize what would happen. Russia didn't either. You see and hear about how Russia though it would all be over in a month or two. But Ukraine dragged it out for 4 years, now.

Oh yes, and most importantly, tell us which regions and cities were destroyed first by Russian terrorist troops? I'll give you a hint: the south and east of Ukraine, which were the most Russian-speaking! Now they are gone, Russia “saved” them by destroying their homes and taking their lives.
Probably many people don't understand what kind of concept of salvation this is, but I'm sure you can explain

Again, nobody expected Ukraine to fight so hard for the essentially Russian BSC. They didn't realize that the Ukraine military would take up residence in their homes, so that many of these homes were destroyed by Russia just to get at the Ukraine military that was using them as shields.

Note that Russia is rebuilding Mariopol. They would rebuild a lot more in the BSC if Ukraine stopped fighting, and simply let Russia have the lands.

PS Please pay attention to Article 10 of the Constitution of Ukraine. I'm also interested in your opinion, except for your attempts to spread Rashism propaganda here again.
So, I look forward to your response

Note that Putin, before Russia attacked in 2022, had filed Article 51 of the UN Charter against what Ukraine was doing to Russians (and Ukrainians) in the BSC. It seem that the Ukraine constitution is against their UN agreement, and they are acting the part out according to their constitution rather than their UN agreement.

Ukraine could have found peaceful means to work with the Russians who had lived on their lands for decades. But they attacked them instead. Of course, it wasn't totally their fault. The CIA and MI6 influenced the Ukraine presidential vote to place EU puppets into Ukraine, to give the EU and excuse to push forward.

So, are you CIA or MI6?

[montaga]

Democracy is just an illusion

You hand over power to someone via ballot paper or whatever means, and you expect them to respect you, your feelings and your taxes after getting into office? No way 
The earlier you accept that there is nothing like democratic politics, the better for your mental health. Things look good in theory, but when it comes to practice, humans become very predictable.

In a sane world a court may grant someone Power of Attorney (POA) over a incapable person.
No-one sane would voluntary let another manage the financial affairs, make healthcare, legal and economic decisions on there behalf.
The worst part, if a so called politician screws up really really bad he just finds a new job and the others have to deal with the situation for the rest of the life.
Covid is such a example and financial mismanagement is rampant around the world. You want find many people who managed to accumulate 6 bankrupts and over 20 other business failures, then be put in charge of biggest business of them all. Welcome to lunatic asylum.

[Bigjoe158]

President Trump and his Russian counterpart don't have respect for democracy and human lifes. What president Putin of Russia is doing in Ukraine is what president Donald Trump and his Israeli friend are both doing to Iran. These people are bullies who are scared of the nuclear enrichment in Iran. Trump is a bigger threat to the world than Iran. Trump and Putin are cowards and baberians who believe suffering of children, and the elderly ones gives them satisfaction. Now Ukraine is in ruins now Iran also have joined that league. Trump is a bigger threat to the world than Iran.

[DrBeer]

Assad, Maduro, and now Khamenei. Putin's three closest friends, whom he promised to help and, of course, protect from the “aggressive West.” Everything you need to know about Russia and its pitiful resemblance to the Führer 

[DrBeer]

Note that Putin, before Russia attacked in 2022, had filed Article 51 of the UN Charter against what Ukraine was doing to Russians (and Ukrainians) in the BSC. It seem that the Ukraine constitution is against their UN agreement, and they are acting the part out according to their constitution rather than their UN agreement.

Ukraine could have found peaceful means to work with the Russians who had lived on their lands for decades. But they attacked them instead. Of course, it wasn't totally their fault. The CIA and MI6 influenced the Ukraine presidential vote to place EU puppets into Ukraine, to give the EU and excuse to push forward.

So, are you CIA or MI6?

He also said that Russia has the second strongest army in the world, that they will build a base on the moon, talked about the Rurikids, and said that he would not attack Ukraine in 2014 a couple of days before the attack... Putin only tells the truth when he is silent. It's like saying that a murderer didn't kill anyone because he himself said that he didn't kill anyone

And most importantly, Russian citizens did not live on Ukrainian territory; Russians by nationality and Russian speakers, who have always used and can continue to use the Russian language, have always lived here, as I do, for example.
So that you don't look like a stupid clown again, just study history, facts, the law, and then USE YOUR BRAIN

By the way, let's play Russian propaganda - tell me why Khomeini ordered the bombing of Iran and the killing of his own citizens? The US and Israel were peaceful, offering to negotiate and be friends as they always had been, but the Iranian junta, led by Khomeini, ordered the destruction of the Iranian people!

PS  He also said that Russia has the second strongest army in the world, that they will build a base on the moon, talked about the Rurikids, and said that he would not attack Ukraine in 2014 a couple of days before the attack... Putin only tells the truth when he is silent. It's like saying that a murderer didn't kill anyone because he himself said that he didn't kill anyone

And most importantly, Russian citizens did not live on Ukrainian territory; Russians by nationality and Russian speakers, who have always used and can continue to use the Russian language, have always lived here, as I do, for example.
So that you don't look like a stupid clown again, just study history, facts, the law, and then USE YOUR BRAIN

By the way, let's play Russian propaganda - tell me why Khomeini ordered the bombing of Iran and the killing of his own citizens? The US and Israel were peaceful, offering to negotiate and be friends as they always had been, but the Iranian junta, led by Khomeini, ordered the destruction of the Iranian people!

Judging by your comments, you must be Simonyan or Solovyov 

[Berry2d]

If there is a man who don't have respect for democracy that man is Donald Trump. He invades other countries at will and that is a bad signal for other president coming after them. There is no difference between him and president Putin of Russia who invaded Ukraine. Now my question is, are these two really democrats or a problem to world?

It's conspicuous you are being one sided in the actions of Donald Trump when it has to do with his actions in other fake democratic governments because i see democracy as the government of the people by the people and for the people.  Apart from this current issue in Iran now, his interventions to other countries where not for his selfish interest or against democracy but restructuring of those nations from the boundage of corruption.  Taking that of Venezuela as a case study, how can a country be blessed with mineral resources yet the citizens die in hunger while there leaders divert all to there own personal accounts living all in suffering,  is it that of Nigeria where millions of citizens have been killed and the government did nothing about it.
It think before concluding we should properly investigate or see what is happening in those  nations as the poor masses should also be considered in all.

[BADecker]

Note that Putin, before Russia attacked in 2022, had filed Article 51 of the UN Charter against what Ukraine was doing to Russians (and Ukrainians) in the BSC. It seem that the Ukraine constitution is against their UN agreement, and they are acting the part out according to their constitution rather than their UN agreement.

Ukraine could have found peaceful means to work with the Russians who had lived on their lands for decades. But they attacked them instead. Of course, it wasn't totally their fault. The CIA and MI6 influenced the Ukraine presidential vote to place EU puppets into Ukraine, to give the EU and excuse to push forward.

So, are you CIA or MI6?

He also said that Russia has the second strongest army in the world, that they will build a base on the moon, talked about the Rurikids, and said that he would not attack Ukraine in 2014 a couple of days before the attack... Putin only tells the truth when he is silent. It's like saying that a murderer didn't kill anyone because he himself said that he didn't kill anyone

And most importantly, Russian citizens did not live on Ukrainian territory; Russians by nationality and Russian speakers, who have always used and can continue to use the Russian language, have always lived here, as I do, for example.
So that you don't look like a stupid clown again, just study history, facts, the law, and then USE YOUR BRAIN

By the way, let's play Russian propaganda - tell me why Khomeini ordered the bombing of Iran and the killing of his own citizens? The US and Israel were peaceful, offering to negotiate and be friends as they always had been, but the Iranian junta, led by Khomeini, ordered the destruction of the Iranian people!

~

Judging by your comments, you must be Simonyan or Solovyov 

There are a whole lot of people who wouldn't agree with your evaluation... people living in the lands that Russia liberated. In addition, Trump wouldn't entirely agree with you, either. In addition, the fact that the war has really been going on for hundreds of years, doesn't change the fact that the war started in 2022, not in 2014.

While it's true that government leaders are forced to do things that are wrong at times, just to do what is right, present Russia is not trying to continue in the ways of the Stalin-USSR. They realized before 1991 that those ways don't work without better freedom for the people. That's why Putin even tried to bring Russia into NATO.

Wake up and see that the banking system that is trying to force the West to conquer Russia, is really the slimy conqueror of the world way more than Russia could ever think to be if they wanted to.

And wake up to the fact that many battles around the world are based on Islam trying to conquer Christianity. True Christianity doesn't work like making war. But war against other religions is what Islam is all about in its writings.

[Akbarkoe]

Maybe there used to be good intentions in the term democracy so that we can solve everything with discussion and get a good clause, but it seems that over time and as the desires of the interests that must be fulfilled increase, democracy is used as a tool to increase hegemony, after that under the pretext of democracy globally they spread the understanding of free trade for mutual benefit, but in the end they also violate it with regional power and greater influence so that they have veto rights and many other veto rights that are always presented in the global organization space, directly this treatment is only aimed at developed countries.

Much has been born of democracy with the involvement of these two countries, but yes, democracy is the best tool besides putting a gun to your head.

[BADecker]

Maybe there used to be good intentions in the term democracy so that we can solve everything with discussion and get a good clause, but it seems that over time and as the desires of the interests that must be fulfilled increase, democracy is used as a tool to increase hegemony, after that under the pretext of democracy globally they spread the understanding of free trade for mutual benefit, but in the end they also violate it with regional power and greater influence so that they have veto rights and many other veto rights that are always presented in the global organization space, directly this treatment is only aimed at developed countries.

Much has been born of democracy with the involvement of these two countries, but yes, democracy is the best tool besides putting a gun to your head.

The basic point is that the US has a Republic that is over the Democracy. If Russia has a Republic, it is under and controlled by their Democracy.

The US problem with their Republic is that the people don't know about it... at least, not the right way. And people in government have tried to keep it this way. Corporations are authorized by the government. Therefore, they have to obey government rules. People are not authorized by the government. They ARE the Republic, and are over the Democracy of the government.

A corporation has to obey government border rules. A man/woman does not. Men and women can move their private property across borders, State and Federal, against government rules, because they are the Republic that is over the Democracy of the government. Corporations cannot do this.

The problem for people is that government people have tricked them into NOT understanding this, and how to do it lawfully (as opposed to legally). Since the trickery has been going on for such a long time, regaining Republic freedom is difficult, both because of the peoples' lack of knowledge, and because they don't understand the basics of agreements they have made with government.

A Russian form of Democracy (Dictatorship) is where America is heading if people don't find out that they are the Republic, and their freedom, and how to maintain it in court. It isn't as difficult as people think.

I highly recommend that anybody who is serious about their freedom and the American Republic, listen to the videos here - https://www.youtube.com/c/CraigLynch/videos - and learn what they are really saying.

There are many sources that say the same. One of the good ones for simple info is https://redress4dummies.wordpress.com/. Another, for practical help in these things is, https://www.youarelaw.org/.

[hostm]

If there is a man who don't have respect for democracy that man is Donald Trump. He invades other countries at will and that is a bad signal for other president coming after them. There is no difference between him and president Putin of Russia who invaded Ukraine. Now my question is, are these two really democrats or a problem to world?

It's conspicuous you are being one sided in the actions of Donald Trump when it has to do with his actions in other fake democratic governments because i see democracy as the government of the people by the people and for the people.  Apart from this current issue in Iran now, his interventions to other countries where not for his selfish interest or against democracy but restructuring of those nations from the boundage of corruption.  Taking that of Venezuela as a case study, how can a country be blessed with mineral resources yet the citizens die in hunger while there leaders divert all to there own personal accounts living all in suffering,  is it that of Nigeria where millions of citizens have been killed and the government did nothing about it.
It think before concluding we should properly investigate or see what is happening in those  nations as the poor masses should also be considered in all.

Venezuela is not a good example. A better example is the Philippines, currently an ally of the United States. Go to Manila and see how poor people live in a country that is an ally of the United States.