Players from banned countries, where do they stand?

[Japinat]

Something I’ve been wondering about.

Let’s say gambling is completely illegal in your country. Full ban. But there are online casinos operating outside your country, and when you sign up you don’t see your country listed as restricted. At the same time, it’s not clearly listed as allowed either.

So where do we actually draw the risk here?

If a dispute happens later, do players still have the right to complain or ask for support, even if they already know gambling itself is illegal in their country? Or can the casino simply argue that the player chose to gamble despite the local law, and because of that they have the right to block the account or freeze the funds?

Curious how others see this situation, especially for players coming from countries where gambling is technically banned.

[Oshosondy]

Let’s say gambling is completely illegal in your country. Full ban. But there are online casinos operating outside your country, and when you sign up you don’t see your country listed as restricted. At the same time, it’s not clearly listed as allowed either.

Give an example of how a country is not listed on the restricted list on the gambling site terms of service but also not clearly listed it is allowed either. Just go to a gambling site terms of service and let us know one as an example.

We are discussing about Singapore on the other thread which could be the reason you created this topic. Give is example and you can use Singapore for it.

[Odohu]

There are some casinos that allow players from banned countries to play in their casino via VPN. Even though I don't appreciate this but as it is the only available option, such player can still gamble and get his withdrawal through cryptocurrency. Some of such casinos does not ask for KYC unless on suspicion of violation of their TOS, in this case the gambler should be ready to accept responsibility of whatever happens as part of the risk involved in gambling.

[rdluffy]

To me, the solution is actually quite simple: contact customer support first and ask if you can gamble normally at the casino and if you’ll be able to deposit and withdraw your funds as usual whenever you want
With the company’s official response, you won’t have any unpleasant surprises like being banned, blocked, or having your balance frozen without warning

I believe this is the best solution for users in those countries

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from my point of view the risk is already on the player’s side if gambling is clearly illegal in their country even if the casino website does not explicitly list that country as restricted, the player still knows that local law does not allow it, the casino can later use that as a reason to block the account or void winnings especially during KYC or withdrawal checks.

for me the safest approach is to always check both the casino’s terms & the local regulations before playing if there is any grey area there is always a chance that problems will appear later when trying to withdraw funds.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Something I’ve been wondering about.

Let’s say gambling is completely illegal in your country. Full ban. But there are online casinos operating outside your country, and when you sign up you don’t see your country listed as restricted. At the same time, it’s not clearly listed as allowed either.

So where do we actually draw the risk here?

If a dispute happens later, do players still have the right to complain or ask for support, even if they already know gambling itself is illegal in their country? Or can the casino simply argue that the player chose to gamble despite the local law, and because of that they have the right to block the account or freeze the funds?

Curious how others see this situation, especially for players coming from countries where gambling is technically banned.

Well for me, I don't know if it's right or wrong but I think if a country is banned from gambling, it should reflect on the casinos lists of restricted countries and the potential user visiting the casino from such country must be warned or better still prevented from signing up on that casino because he is not from a supported country.

But if the users visits the casino and doesn't find his country in that names of restricted countries and he was also able to sign up on the casino, deposit and gamble without issues, then when ever any problem arises, the user has a right to sue the casino if the casino brings up the case of the user's country being banned from gambling as a reason they want to withhold his money.

Where the gambler becomes the one to be blamed is if after not being allowed to sign up on the casino due to his country being restricted, he decide to use VPN to forcefully sign up on the casino and gamble there, then when ever issues arise, the casino has every right to seize the user's fund and as well block his account.

[mirakal]

It’s really all about the reputation of the casino now, because when they allow you to gamble despite knowing you are coming from a country where gambling is illegal, that means you already passed their requirements, especially if you completed the KYC. So they cannot suddenly use that argument in the future if you win big and say they will not allow the withdrawal because you are from a country where gambling is illegal.

They are not even under the jurisdiction of that country, so they shouldn’t be the ones trying to enforce the law there. If any casino uses that kind of excuse, then for me that’s already a scam, just using some technicality to beat the player.

You might not be able to fight them legally, but at least you can expose it and destroy their reputation.

[_act_]

There are some casinos that allow players from banned countries to play in their casino via VPN. Even though I don't appreciate this but as it is the only available option, such player can still gamble and get his withdrawal through cryptocurrency. Some of such casinos does not ask for KYC unless on suspicion of violation of their TOS, in this case the gambler should be ready to accept responsibility of whatever happens as part of the risk involved in gambling.

According to what I know, I have not seen a gambling site that does not have lists of restricted countries except they are gambling site that belong to scammers, even then gambling sites that do not request for KYC still have few restricted regions. But I still under you, there are ways people in restricted countries are bypassing restrictions, but it is better for a gambler not to use VPN because almost all the gambling sites do not like VPN to bypass geolocation and most of the gambling sites listed it as unwanted on their site.

To me, the solution is actually quite simple: contact customer support first and ask if you can gamble normally at the casino and if you’ll be able to deposit and withdraw your funds as usual whenever you want
With the company’s official response, you won’t have any unpleasant surprises like being banned, blocked, or having your balance frozen without warning

I believe this is the best solution for users in those countries

I have not seen anyone before that said his country was not listed on the restricted countries list but his account was banned because of it, although it can be good to contact the gambling site customer care.

Well for me, I don't know if it's right or wrong but I think if a country is banned from gambling, it should reflect on the casinos lists of restricted countries and the potential user visiting the casino from such country must be warned or better still prevented from signing up on that casino because he is not from a supported country.

Yes, the person will be warned and also be prevented from accessing the gambling site of the gambling site is not shady.

[Wapfika]

Let’s say gambling is completely illegal in your country. Full ban. But there are online casinos operating outside your country, and when you sign up you don’t see your country listed as restricted. At the same time, it’s not clearly listed as allowed either.

Give an example of how a country is not listed on the restricted list on the gambling site terms of service but also not clearly listed it is allowed either. Just go to a gambling site terms of service and let us know one as an example.

We are discussing about Singapore on the other thread which could be the reason you created this topic. Give is example and you can use Singapore for it.

I think he meant for the term below that leave it open for player to check on their own about gambling legality on their own country of jurisdiction.



This makes it confusing. Your country doesn’t allowed you to gamble but a casino allows you so what should be truly followed based on legal perspective?

[danherbias07]

That's going to be a tough situation, but when a gambler already knows that gambling is banned in their country, they will probably not go looking for one.

Anyway, if there are people who would look for those kinds of gambling sites which doesn't list their country in restrictions, it's his/her own risk. Legally, you won't win against the gambling site if they ever freeze your account. If it were in that position, I would probably just let go. Because in the first place, it was I who took the risk, even though I already knew for a fact that it was banned in my country. I would avoid an argument or long efforts to fight back because it will be a waste of time.

[fullfitlarry]

Curious how others see this situation, especially for players coming from countries where gambling is technically banned.

If you know the risk and still go and play on gambling sites, then you should not be complaining at all. You know that it's ban already in your country in the first place and yet you insist on playing online.

So if there is a dispute between you and the gambling site then for sure you will be having a hard time with it as you are playing in a ban country.

[joeperry]

If a dispute happens later, do players still have the right to complain or ask for support, even if they already know gambling itself is illegal in their country? Or can the casino simply argue that the player chose to gamble despite the local law, and because of that they have the right to block the account or freeze the funds?

Curious how others see this situation, especially for players coming from countries where gambling is technically banned.

I've been into different gambling sites and I mostly read their terms and conditions, there's always written terms there that says you should be playing in a country that allows gambling or your jurisdiction allows gambling. I'm not sure the exact terms or words or phrase but this was the thought, and I think they can use it against the players if it's not clearly indicated whether his/her country is banned from the site or not. If I was the player, I wouldn't deposit big and keep my bets low, though there are some gambling sites that allows users to use VPN and if they are not comfortable with it, I think a provably fair games or purely crypto gambling sites is the better choice for them, but of course we know the risk of it like getting away with your money or other exit scams.

EDIT: I just saw @Wapfika post, that's the term I'm talking about.  

[o48o]

Something I’ve been wondering about.

Let’s say gambling is completely illegal in your country. Full ban. But there are online casinos operating outside your country, and when you sign up you don’t see your country listed as restricted. At the same time, it’s not clearly listed as allowed either.

So where do we actually draw the risk here?

If a dispute happens later, do players still have the right to complain or ask for support, even if they already know gambling itself is illegal in their country? Or can the casino simply argue that the player chose to gamble despite the local law, and because of that they have the right to block the account or freeze the funds?

Curious how others see this situation, especially for players coming from countries where gambling is technically banned.

I would say that it depends on your regional regulatory resources and how much leverage they have in the world to enforce others to follow laws for their citizens.

For example, if you happen to win millions, how exactly are you going to explain money you spend to new house, because it's going to show of as anomality considering that you probably can't explain it by savings and investing, nor you have any paperwork to support that. And many casinos seem to have additional note to something like: even if your country isn't listed, but it's part of countries that are not prohibited... or something like that. So it remains on your responsibility.

Secondly, it could be that that casino hasn't listed your country yet, and it's going to be added without you noticing at all, (because you might not be getting any notice about this), then maybe try not to have money in that account between your sessions.

And while you think you might have "right" to complaint, that doesn't mean you have any legal rights for money in that account, as you were knowingly breaking your country's laws, so good luck getting police involved.

[MAAManda]

Glad to be the first person from Indonesia to answer on this topic, for those of you who don't know, our country clearly prohibits gambling activities, no exception. Even though there's a prohibition from the government, many people still carry out gambling activities (including me). So, where do we stand?

IMO, this is inseparable from the implementation made by the platform, if they're aware that a country is prohibited from gambling, then they should prohibit it too. In fact, they don't implement the same thing as countries that prohibit gambling. That being said, I think we players from banned countries still have the right to complain if something happens or something goes wrong with our accounts.

[Eternad]

To me, the solution is actually quite simple: contact customer support first and ask if you can gamble normally at the casino and if you’ll be able to deposit and withdraw your funds as usual whenever you want
With the company’s official response, you won’t have any unpleasant surprises like being banned, blocked, or having your balance frozen without warning

I believe this is the best solution for users in those countries

Sometimes support provides inconsistent message and they intentionally don’t give an exact information rather they will point out to you their ToS which leave you on how you will analyze it.

This is just my opinion, but I don’t govern any opportunity for the casino to have a reason to confiscate my funds like this one if they use the law of my country against me while they don’t clearly listed it on their ToS while they usually have a general ToS that can be use as a loophole to create a case for me.

If gambling is illegal in my country, so be it I will not gamble to avoid violating my country law.

[Oshosondy]

I think he meant for the term below that leave it open for player to check on their own about gambling legality on their own country of jurisdiction.



This makes it confusing. Your country doesn’t allowed you to gamble but a casino allows you so what should be truly followed based on legal perspective?

The best advice is that the person should not gamble on the gambling site so far gambling is not allowed in his country. But he can first ask the gambling site customer care about it to know if he will be able to make use of the gambling site for gambling but the response from the gambling site customer care will still be not to use the gambling site because they may be afraid that regulator could be the one that contact them. But the best is to list the country among the restricted countries.

[Yaunfitda]

The question is where does the casino get their list of banned or prohibit countries? Is it on the license that they gave them to operate or it is with the provider or the operators of slot games and any other listed on the casino? Because if that is the case then prohibit countries should not be listed on the casino itself period. There will be a lot of disconnect from the casino that will allow gamblers from a ban countries. So in our part as gamblers, if you want to take that risk then do it, but you should know the consequences of your actions as the moment the casino won't allow you to withdraw because they found out that you play from a banned country then that's it for you.

[Taskford]

Something I’ve been wondering about.

Let’s say gambling is completely illegal in your country. Full ban. But there are online casinos operating outside your country, and when you sign up you don’t see your country listed as restricted. At the same time, it’s not clearly listed as allowed either.

So where do we actually draw the risk here?

If a dispute happens later, do players still have the right to complain or ask for support, even if they already know gambling itself is illegal in their country? Or can the casino simply argue that the player chose to gamble despite the local law, and because of that they have the right to block the account or freeze the funds?

Curious how others see this situation, especially for players coming from countries where gambling is technically banned.

Maybe the terms of the casino you are looking for has not been updated yet and there's a risk that once the casino update those things then your country will be included then you might start to experience problem with that casino.

So if there's full ban of online gambling in your country, much better respect the regulation implemented by government and maybe its time to forget about gambling. Since for sure that you can't afford to experience big problem, especially if the casino find out that you are in restricted regions and they have reason to seize your winnings or even your funds deposited in their platform.

[Frankolala]

This makes it confusing. Your country doesn’t allowed you to gamble but a casino allows you so what should be truly followed based on legal perspective?

I think, it's better for those gamblers in a country that gambling is illegal to gamble for fun if they most gamble in a casino outside the country. What I mean is that, they shouldn't put it in mind of cashing out their profits but only use it for gambling because the casino can use the ban on gambling in your country against you and freeze your account or deprive you from withdrawal. Maybe, gamblers in such restricted regions can tell us better.

[Fiatless]

Curious how others see this situation, especially for players coming from countries where gambling is technically banned.

The most important law is that of your country. The national law first determines if your activities or actions are legal or illegal. You lose your right to gamble if it is forbidden in your country. If there is a dispute the casino has the right to do whatever it wants since you don't have the support of the government or regulators. The question is who will you report to? You might even be arrested for disobeying the law of the land.

The right to block or freeze funds depends on the casino's ToS. As I said before, you are at their own mercy since gambling is illegal. If gambling is banned in your country, don't gamble until the law is lifted or you leave the country.