Holy admits to his bias and gave me negative trust the day after I criticized BetPanda many timesII admit openly that there is a bias in my previous judgment and your question to me made me see in new perspective
This just shows that HD is capable of humility. He is open to entertaining new viewpoints. This is a beneficial quality no matter how you want to frame it.
holy is the reason winnings are being stolen. Don't negotiate, force the book to show proof.
Cmon man, 2 days ago you said you didn't want to "step on holy's toes" and now you are saying this desperate nonsense. If you could do what he's doing, then you would be doing it yourself -- end of story.
I can understand holy's friends not wanting to criticize him and that's fine. For the integrity of the trust system, the negative trust should be taken down.
I respect you and you're probably right that it won't get me anywhere. I'll keep it to this thread.
The negative trust is 100% justified and reinforced by your behavior in this thread.
You poked the bear, poked & poked, and then one day the bear poked back. Then you have the nerve to be indignant about it.
I spent 10 years in one place doing my own thing. I came over to scam accusations because I saw a scam being run on holy and wanted to give the players a voice since holy is the book’s voice to confiscate winnings. Books aren’t the middleman. I don’t want anything to do with guy. He takes down the trust and I go back to my thread.
edit- @Shishir99, If I wanted holy's attention, I'd be in scam accusations . I'm here to defend trust abuse.
If you really wanted someone to consider removing a tag, you should probably stop commenting in this thread and keeping the issue hot. You just push push push and it'll get you nowhere man.
I respect you and you're probably right. I'll keep it to this thread.
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Holy hides the betslips to cover up the BetPanda heist. 
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We can figure this out on our own if we see the bets.
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BetPanda's an awful book. It doesn't seem as though they are going to listen to any of us. This case shouldn't be listed resolved
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Betpanda has given us the runaround for 2 months. The only thing that’s needed is for BetPanda to post the wagers. Then people can make their own decision on if it’s a bad line
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Still waiting on BetPanda to send me / publish the bet history to show that none of my bets were irregular and they were comparable with other markets.
Holy wants the betslips kept private for his eyes only
Umm... with no intention to insult you, I suggest you to ignore those who suggest and/or demand BetPanda [or other casinos, for a fact] to publish your betting history from their side. Far as I know [and by it, I mean I've been talking with several casinos representatives [both plurals, as in so many people in so many different casinos]] they can't publish it online, even with player's blessings due to GDPR and it's law-of-customer's-data-protection equivalence across the globe, as well as the one they have, that is demanded to be published, with or without the player's blessings, is a violation to their own proprietary.
The data from their side is theirs, not yours.
So, even with your blessings, they can't just post list of your bets publicly as it will automatically violate customer's data protection at the worst, and/as-well-as, within their right to retain from sharing publicly what is considered [and I pretty much sure you've agreed when you clicked ToS checkbox] as theirs.
Best way is to get a for-private-eyes-only verification. It is still have to go through a lot of red tape of GDPR [and its equivalent] and high-chairs approval, but it is more likely to happen rather than demanding public publishing. So... yeah, please just ignore the ignorant idea to publish them for public eyes.
Forum pressure continued and prevailed. BetPanda opened up the players account and he posted the bet slips.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5574049.0
My Eyes Only #2 - XYes edition OP
just unsubstantiated taking away of winnings, I made 3 bets on sports, all won, I showed them to the community, I saw these quotes in other bookmakers, and you're talking about arbitrage? so how do my bets relate to arbitrage, you're unlikely to prove something that doesn't actually exist. you're just a thief
LoyceV
Since you've mentioned me here: I don't like the banning of arbitrage betting. Even stronger: I think it's BS!....
holy
Yeah, already on it. I've made contact with staff on XYes ....
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Great news! If you have a chance ask them about that fake license......
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So... I have my talks with their representative that's assigned to me, and we tackled several things. Basically, this thread is divided into two things: OP's main situation of arbing, and a sub-topic of their license, the 2022 GCB thing.
Regarding OP's arbitrage betting activity, I can't say much as I am bound by for-my-eyes-only basis] other than that I've given a glimpse of what led them to struck the gavel and draw a verdict of arbing. Regarding arbing is a smart strategy or prohibited, I won't dive deep into that discussion right now, because specifically for this case, smart or not, they're irrelevant because they're simply prohibited, as per their ToS that I've captured and sitting in my gallery since few days ago:
With above, unfortunately, like it or not, we have to consider OP as breaching the terms he agreed upon sign up. Thus, the casino is within their right to confiscate the rest of the fund.
Now, about license. They told me that it was indeed an outdated one. However, they're in the middle of acquiring a new one from Anjouan. I believe they'll properly update the page with the Anjouan licensing and their seal once achieved.
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1. It wasn’t an outdated license. It was a fake license.
2. The rules say “guaranteed profit with no risk” How did the OP guarantee profit?
3. Xyes says this is their outdated license OGL/2022/501/017
Format of licenses in 2022
Curacao eGaming — 1668/JAZ
Antillephone — 8048/JAZ
Gaming Curacao — 365/JAZ
e-Management N.V. — 5536/JAZ
4. This isn't kept in secret since the bets are public. You either have the two arbitraged bets or you don't.
holy
And I've told you, twice, one hinted and one explicitly, if you bother to read carefully, I've seen the evidence. The provider mark him. Hence the "looking at other things" of which I shall assume you're referring the instance of me bringing OP's other case. I am calling for a motive, as it might shows pattern, jumping from one small casinos to another and threaten the casino [this one might got threatened too, behind the scene, though I will strike that out from statement].
ziportan
the thing is , holydarkness is prone to believe anything that the casinos say -although they are OBVIOUS lies- than the players claims which are supported by actual evidences......
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holydarkness, he does make a good point. You have to stop believing everything the casino and casino reps tell you. ......
Flexie80
@holydarkness
If you are so much defending the books for consicating for value betting, do you even realize that 99% of the bets that are being placed are pure value bets for the sportsbook itself?.......
ziportan to holy
You keep saying that but you are the one that keeps confusing. You keep letting casinos or the casino reps here confuse you all the time. My case also was turned to arb betting by the rep, after he realized that value betting doesn't cause any winnings confiscation by any means.......
Flexie80 to holy
Then how about you hand over the evidence of arbitrage betting to the accuser himself? .....
Flexie80 to holy on why it was impossible for there to be proof
This is not do-able on the same bookmaker (because they have a bookie margin that makes it impossible to arb within the same book) so the 2nd betting slip would have to be from another book (for example Pinnacle) and it would be impossible for you nor XYes to have obtained this.......
holy
.....Speaking in general, the provider sent their flag to casinos about arbing or other violation the providers detect, and the casinos act accordingly to this flag. The casino does not need two bet slips to compare stakes of the opposite outcome of the same events, the provider did this......
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I don’t know why you continue to make things up. The provider can’t compare. I have no idea why you are doing this to these players.
holy
......Not to mention that it is not too far fetched to think that it is possible that those providers communicate with each others in terms of crosschecking violators. Everyone hates violators. And enemy of my enemy is my friend, so, is it impossible to think Betby say, "hi Pinnacle, I'm sending you user with this details, can you share me his betslips from date x to y? I'll return with the result."?...
Flexie80
Hahaha, you have absolutely no idea how sportsbetting works obviously. Pinnacle is an ARB-FRIENDLY bookmaker so they are never ever gonna share user details. ......
Flexie80
My purpose is not to sling mud at you, my purpose is to teach you a bit of how sportsbetting works. Because from reading your posts I can see you don't know much yet.....
Ratings Place
The one thing that I am confident of is that XYes has no proof. They would have showed it 2 weeks ago to the players and the case would have been settled
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3 bets
$94
$151
$259
No one in their right mind thinks you arbed for these amounts and they can’t figure it out in 3 weeks.
holy
I believe this shall be the closing statement of this case:
After a thorough discussion with the casino, as a gesture of goof will and show that the casino listens to the forum and have the forum's best interest at heart, they are agreed to recredit all of your winnings .........I'd like to stress this once more that this is not because XYes has no proof or arbing or anything else. I can vouch with my reputation here that the account did got flagged for arb betting by the provider. Nonetheless, listening to the input that's given by one or two prominent members advice, they agreed to initiate the gesture as they are planning to start their journey with the forum.
holy to me
................that's later revised and added one more point on #176. So, if you want to address anything and clarify your statements or salvage your face, it's post #176. Otherwise, it doesn't interest me to read and address any further demonstration of your incompetency and impotence.
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the case is over. I’m not replying to your never ending personal attacks.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5545943.0
