Trying to collect a lotto winning with a fake ticket

[Agbe]

I don't know if he is just ignorant of the verification process or a pure scammer trying to scam a government-owned lottery. It's too bad the prize has been collected by the rightful owner.

That is not an ignorance but it is an attempted scam. The guy knew that the ticket is not his yet he went ahead and presented it to the Lotto attendance to Cash it out for him. He was trying to dup the Lotto company. Now he has to face the law. And before he will be released, his family members will spend big amount for his release and other charges of the crime.

[Slow death]

This is the first time I've read about someone having the courage to present a fake lottery ticket. But this probably involves some kind of organization that thought of this; perhaps this was the first test, and if they didn't realize it was a fake ticket and he received the money, they would continue doing it. Because I've seen cases where the ticket is real, but everything is manipulated by the lottery company. Something like them taking someone they know, handing over the real ticket, and getting many people to buy tickets thinking they're in a demonstrably fair game when it's all manipulated by the lottery company. That's why I don't believe in the lottery in my country.

[passwordnow]

I admire the courage of people like him when they know deep inside their heart and mind that they have a fake ticket. Are they thinking that these systems are dumb not to track and verify if they're holding a real ticket or not? Because AFAIK, they also can verify from which location the ticket is bought so if the claimant is getting it from a different location and he can't even say where is the origin of it, he's already a walking red flag to the front of the claims officers if ever he's not thinking about that.

[Wakate]

I don't know if he is just ignorant of the verification process or a pure scammer trying to scam a government-owned lottery. It's too bad the prize has been collected by the rightful owner.

That is not an ignorance but it is an attempted scam. The guy knew that the ticket is not his yet he went ahead and presented it to the Lotto attendance to Cash it out for him. He was trying to dup the Lotto company. Now he has to face the law. And before he will be released, his family members will spend big amount for his release and other charges of the crime.

If he was able to successfully cash out the money, he would be the happiest man trying to advise is fellow scammers to try their own luck if they can be lucky and also make m/andoney from betting. There are many scams that is going on and those scammers that are making money from their scam activities would be happy to recruit others if they are making money.

[Sandra_hakeem]

It is not possible that he presents them a fake ticket and they don't verify it before awarding the money to him, except if the scammer is an hacker who already hacked into their system, because we can't trust people nowadays on what they are up to and only on this occasion can they be scammed, but aside that, do we have to check the procedures on their system and how it happens for them to verify before any reward is being given, moreover, this is also a huge amount in considerations so they have to follow the due procedures.

He doesn't necessarily have to hack into the system. Like you said, he may have just felt that by presenting a fake ticket with such a figure, the casinos would straight up pay him without verification. How stupid that is the said user? Makes me believe he knows nothing about gambling.

[Samlucky O]

I admire the courage of people like him when they know deep inside their heart and mind that they have a fake ticket. Are they thinking that these systems are dumb not to track and verify if they're holding a real ticket or not? Because AFAIK, they also can verify from which location the ticket is bought so if the claimant is getting it from a different location and he can't even say where is the origin of it, he's already a walking red flag to the front of the claims officers if ever he's not thinking about that.

i think the claimant is very ignorant and at the same time stupid to have taken that foolish bold step, how can someone scam a gambling casino of another persons win? is it that he doesn't gamble to know how it is done, or he just wanted to take that risk if it works for him? well some people are bold but not smart, if he was smart enough he would not have tried that which he did, except he stole the original ticket and came to the original casino where the bet was placed before it will have worked, but since he didn't do it like that he would not succeed.

[Hispo]

I admire the courage of people like him when they know deep inside their heart and mind that they have a fake ticket. Are they thinking that these systems are dumb not to track and verify if they're holding a real ticket or not? Because AFAIK, they also can verify from which location the ticket is bought so if the claimant is getting it from a different location and he can't even say where is the origin of it, he's already a walking red flag to the front of the claims officers if ever he's not thinking about that.

Yes, lottery companies have settled system which pretty much allow them to know where each lottery ticket has been bought from, so if the real lottery ticket was bought in a city in with the center of the country and someone claimed to be the winner from one of the opposite parts of the country, that would certainly raise some red-flags and invide more scrutiny to the ticket and the person themselves.

While it is not impossible, someone could have bought the ticket before taking a flight for example, lotteries are masters of chance calculations and they are very aware that scenario is rather rare, so they would proceed with caution and see if the ticket is fake.

[Sonia_123]

These are scammers that thinks they can easily get away with whatever they do without being cut but can easily be detected by the casino owners.

Gambling in a legit source comes with a high level of security because of situations like this, so that winner should be saved from scammers and go home with their wins. Before giving the winners their funds tickets are being scrutinized to be sure if you are the rightful owners .

[Powerjumboo]

With the modern verification process, is it possible to scam the lottery company? Something like this already happened in your country?

It is not possible, if it were possible, the man would have shown his fake ticket and claimed 172 million pesos. In fact, in today's world, it is because of the modern verification process that all these fraudsters are being identified. In addition, when someone goes to withdraw 172 million pesos, the company will definitely check the winner in various ways and after checking, they may give the winnings to the winner. The man was really stupid, which is why he went to withdraw the jackpot with a fake ticket. In fact, such an incident may not have happened before and is unheard of in my country.

[STT]

Its not only possible its been done multiple times, both by a solo thief but also instances have occurred where staff internal to the lottery have given information to enable a false ticket holder to collect a prize uncollected otherwise.   Thats happened within the USA, the story I read was a state but still very large prize lottery.

  You'd think the whole system in any country would be more secure and less open to such temptations.   Surely people will try all sorts of scams every week to get at the money, same as money in the bank as its a constant draw for dishonest 'innovations'.  Not every lottery run is flawless, some have some amazing faults and they even made a Hollywood film about people able to legally run the game on the lottery where they have better then 50/50 odds to 'always' win positively.  I think its amazingly interesting, just as a good as a bank heist movie so hope to watch this soon.

[LogitechMouse]

It is not possible that he presents them a fake ticket and they don't verify it before awarding the money to him, except if the scammer is an hacker who already hacked into their system, because we can't trust people nowadays on what they are up to and only on this occasion can they be scammed, but aside that, do we have to check the procedures on their system and how it happens for them to verify before any reward is being given, moreover, this is also a huge amount in considerations so they have to follow the due procedures.

I saw this news because this happened in our country, and this is a combination of ignorance and desperation.

A hacker will not go there personally, and act like an ignorant sh*t and do things like that. Hackers are too professional, and I don't see them making such ignorant moves like that just to get the award. The good thing is that the money has been awarded before that happened, but even if it still isn't then I don't think that PCSO will give it immediately to him without any verification whatsoever. There's no overthinking whatsoever on this one. This is just complete ignorance from the "scammer" with a little bit of desperation because of how hard it is to live in this country (f*cking government).

Anyway, I'm not putting some lotto bets, but I haven't heard a single thing where a prize that huge has been given to the wrong person because they presented a fake lotto ticket. It goes through thorough procedures for sure. He's not a scammer, but an ignorant person.

[Charcol]

I wouldn't be surprised if some people try to take shortcuts or cheat where large sums of money are involved. But now that most lottery systems have modernized, they will never award prizes just by looking at the paper ticket in hand. The lottery company will definitely check the serial number, barcode or QR code on the ticket, sales records, draw database, time, outlet information, and whether anyone has previously claimed the prize. In my opinion, it is almost impossible to successfully withdraw money with just one fake ticket for a large jackpot.

[bitbollo]

In my country, many years ago without internet technology, there was another problem...
A man has won legally a lotto, he has a legal and valid receipt but ...there was not registered game... the receipt was never consigned hence no win nothing.
OK, it was just a mistake... after years of legal issues he get just 0 and has even to pay expenses.
Any doubts why bitcoin and blockchain could be an essential technology nowadays?

[Lida93]

These are scammers that thinks they can easily get away with whatever they do without being cut but can easily be detected by the casino owners.

Gambling in a legit source comes with a high level of security because of situations like this, so that winner should be saved from scammers and go home with their wins. Before giving the winners their funds tickets are being scrutinized to be sure if you are the rightful owners .

What freaks me first time I read about this was the fact that the scammer didn't even think he could be caught through verification process to capture right identity of winner. Was he thinking that gambling platforms are still living in the 60s or what.  Perhaps this should serve as awareness to why some casino withdrawal requests delays beyond expected time in some cases, there could be an underground scrutiny about the withdrawal especially if it raises some suspicions to the casino and they need do their thorough scrutiny.

[lionheart78]

I admire the courage of people like him when they know deep inside their heart and mind that they have a fake ticket.

I do not think that is courage,  courage is something about positive thing but these people are doing the opposite.  Fearlessness yes, and I think his action is wickedness.  He is trying to claim the money that he knows is not for him.  There is nothing admirable in this action, IMHO.

Are they thinking that these systems are dumb not to track and verify if they're holding a real ticket or not? Because AFAIK, they also can verify from which location the ticket is bought so if the claimant is getting it from a different location and he can't even say where is the origin of it, he's already a walking red flag to the front of the claims officers if ever he's not thinking about that.

It is possible that there are some influential people behind them, and probably this is not the first time they do this kind of fraud.  It is that, the prize had been claimed and the people in charge that time is not within their group, thus for the expose` of fraud and arrest of the culprit.

[Nwada001]

He doesn't necessarily have to hack into the system. Like you said, he may have just felt that by presenting a fake ticket with such a figure, the casinos would straight up pay him without verification. How stupid that is the said user? Makes me believe he knows nothing about gambling.

What gave him that stupid and dumb idea needs to be studied because in this present world people should be aware of how advanced technology is; even if they are not educated, they should be able to hear from others. How can they just be convinced millions worth of fake lottery tickets could be claimed without being detected and caught?

[Davidvictorson]

With the modern verification process, is it possible to scam the lottery company? Something like this already happened in your country?

At first I wanted to argue that it may have been an oversight from the person but upon reading the full story, I got the clearer picture from here:

“Verification through the official lotto database and cotejo system immediately established that the winning combination had already been claimed by its rightful owner,” the police explained without detailing which lotto game the suspect claimed to have won.

“A closer examination revealed clear signs of tampering, including handwritten entries made using a ballpen, prompting validation by the PCSO Data Center and Security Office, which confirmed that the ticket had been altered,” it added.

Obviously, the individual thought they could trick the system by tampering with their ticket. Now that they have been caught, and are going to be charged to court, it will serve as a deterent for others thinking of tempering with their results.

[Cointxz]

Obviously, the individual thought they could trick the system by tampering with their ticket. Now that they have been caught, and are going to be charged to court, it will serve as a deterent for others thinking of tempering with their results.

Cheaters, corrupt politicians and criminals becomes on loose again due to the current administration weak governance. That same PCSO are also subjected to manipulating the result to collect jackpot prize on daily basis.

There’s some people think that an ignorance of the law can give them an excuse to getaway with this mistake since he probably just trying his luck.

[Hispo]

He doesn't necessarily have to hack into the system. Like you said, he may have just felt that by presenting a fake ticket with such a figure, the casinos would straight up pay him without verification. How stupid that is the said user? Makes me believe he knows nothing about gambling.

What gave him that stupid and dumb idea needs to be studied because in this present world people should be aware of how advanced technology is; even if they are not educated, they should be able to hear from others. How can they just be convinced millions worth of fake lottery tickets could be claimed without being detected and caught?

Ignorance can be actually very powerful and destructive.
My guesss is that guy not even being aware of the state of the art technology which is actually used to track lottery tickets and confirm whether they are real or counterfeits.
There are even tickets which are issues by lotteries which could be as difficult to counterfeit, as if they were banknotes: they have their own issue number, they have holograms, and also some micro-printing.

Someone who has a little of understanding on who lotteries work or how casinos work would have immediately assumed that walking in with a fake winning ticket was pretty much asking to get incarcerated.

Play stupid games, win stupid prices I guess...