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August 24, 2026, 10:27:08 PM
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Poverty been systematic design by the government isn't a good idea

Its not usually an actual deliberate policy, its indirect its a mistake that somehow the government benefits from weakening the country and making some especially dependant on it for support.  

  Never attribute to malice that which is sufficiently explained by incompetence.  The most common theme with government is a good intention that has horrible consequences and lasting damage at great cost.    The other more obvious cause of poverty generally is war and division within a country where the harm can be deliberate, but I would describe that as military activity more then mal governance especially.

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August 25, 2026, 04:15:53 PM
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Let's say poverty is orchestrated by men who are in power positions. How do they do this? Through populism (panem et circenses).

However, populism isn't enforced to anyone. It's a manipulative strategy to control the masses, but the masses decide being part of it after all.

Free will plays a big role here. So, poverty isn't only orchestrated by men. It's willingly embraced by the poor class. If people in general just gave a big no to the media, political class and all of their agents, it would be possible to overcome poverty and pursue better life conditions for society as a whole.
Manipulation at political level is contributing to poverty. When leaders use populism, people become focused on small term benefit instead of looking for  deeper causes of economic hardships. Having freewill is ok but it does not provide equal opportunities for everyone or same resources to make better choices.

People who are born into poor families have to go through poor education system, they have limited employment opportunities and their healthcare is not good. They have to face difficult economic conditions from start of their life. Even if that type of person rejects political propaganda, still skipping poverty is very difficult for him. Individuals have responsibility to make their circumstances better whenever possible but personal responsibility should not be used to ignore the problems in system. For poverty to be overcome, it requires both sides to work, people need to make good and wise decisions and demand better leadership, and government should create opportunities for them.

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August 25, 2026, 06:01:59 PM
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Poverty been systematic design by the government isn't a good idea I really think we shouldn't blame the government always in a society filled with global and digital opportunities despite blaming the government always we still have rich and wealthy people in the society . Come to think of it people who end up becoming rich has the poorest story background probably not all but majority of the great men we have started from the bottom even the government we all blame today are individuals who worked their way out to success and greatness

         tho, poverty is an economic and global disaster in a society but I see it as a state of the mind . there's always a saying the poor man mentality who an individual is and will become depends on the mind I always see the mind as the general key to success define who an individual truly is the question we should be asking ourselves is how far an individual ready to walk his or her way to greatness despite the bad governance any one can be the best version of themselves doesn't matter the government or neither their policies individuals should be consistent in working hard and also working hard towards the way they think

Everything you said is true but not entirely true either. Indeed, mindset and hard work are the main determining factors for people to get out of poverty. Like you said out there many successful people started from scratch because they took advantage of technological development opportunities like today, combined with hard work. But this is only a part of it, so on a national scale it can be said that this is a failure of the system because it is the responsibility of the country's leadership to help its people get out of poverty.

When a bad government doesn’t completely shut down someone’s desire to succeed as long as they can stay consistent, disciplined, and think long-term to achieve success. However, if in a country there is still widespread poverty, the government should be blamed and we should also suspect that maybe they are deliberately keeping their people poor. Sometimes poverty is intentionally designed systematically to control the population through minimum wages, inflation, taxes, education, banking regulations and all of this can make things worse or keep people living in poverty. Even if some manage to escape poverty it’s only a small portion.

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August 26, 2026, 12:59:57 PM
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Poverty is not an accident but a systematic design by the government. To keep people under control. Government control minimum wage, inflation, taxation and education. All these can be used to orchestrate the poverty. If you think I am lying, look around you.

Banks charge the poor and give the wealthy leverage. Is that not one angle poverty is by design. The education system teaches you to be employees not entrepreneurs. Religion too has been used to control people.

Bitcoin came as a way to destabilize the system. Let's be honest with ourselves, can anyone point out in history where poverty is naturally occuring or by design?
A little truth in what you said, what the Government do is to make sure the economy look very bad by inflicting more poverty to the country so the people will continue to be submissive in what ever they do or say. In th other hand the reason why some people still remain poor is cause by them, most men are lazy to work, if the Government can't provide any job opportunities there are other things to do to earn a living, people still go into agriculture so to have food products that they can sell out. We can blame Government in one side and also blame our self for not getting our self rich by start a small lucrative business or start up an investment with the little money with us with out waiting to have huge amount of money first to start up anything.
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August 28, 2026, 08:21:00 PM
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The other more obvious cause of poverty generally is war and division within a country where the harm can be deliberate, but I would describe that as military activity more then mal governance especially.
There's no doubt about it. Beyond war, bad governance directly drives poverty through state control. Governments exert immense power over financial access by controlling banks, credit approvals, and business licenses. If you fall out of favor with the state or get blacklisted, that record follows you everywhere, shutting down your ability to build wealth traditionally.

That's why relying entirely on the banking system is a trap. The smartest move is building a business model that minimizes state dependency while simultaneously diversifying into Bitcoin. By combining a real world enterprise with a long term BTC accumulation plan, you avoid putting all your eggs in one basket and protect your capital from government interference. Both take time to yield results, but they offer true financial sovereignty.

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I believe that, in my country the politicians use this people as means for them to get what they want, A lot of young people are now used as tools just because of money. The system uses poverty as a tool to get their gains from others and not thinking about the damages of what they are doing. Poverty can be self made too so I wouldn't just generalize this but it is also a fact that poverty can be caused or influenced by man for their own selfish interests. This explains why some corrupt leaders keep stealing public resources, they know that if they do this then they can cripple the economy and make a lot of people poor.

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Poverty been systematic design by the government isn't a good idea

Its not usually an actual deliberate policy, its indirect its a mistake that somehow the government benefits from weakening the country and making some especially dependant on it for support.  

  Never attribute to malice that which is sufficiently explained by incompetence.  The most common theme with government is a good intention that has horrible consequences and lasting damage at great cost.    The other more obvious cause of poverty generally is war and division within a country where the harm can be deliberate, but I would describe that as military activity more then mal governance especially.
The fastest way for a nation to face economic destruction is through war and internal fighting but what keeps a country in extreme poverty during peace times is bad governance. Take the instance of so many peaceful nations that still swim in poverty all because their leaders are terrible in managing the country's resources and are very corrupt. Those heartless leaders fail to understand that they kill their own citizens' chance for a better life and good living if they steal budgets meant for quality infrastructural developments and quality healthcare.

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I believe that, in my country the politicians use this people as means for them to get what they want, A lot of young people are now used as tools just because of money. The system uses poverty as a tool to get their gains from others and not thinking about the damages of what they are doing.
It has to be that way, right, if they want the people specifically the youths to be at their beck and call them they must have to keep them in a condition where they would be unoccupied and jobless with their time. Without this, there will be no people to use for their interests.

No man being occupied and busy with useful activities that makes him responsible to his obligation as a person will dare create the time to be a tool in the hands of politicians who have by their deliberate political-economic policies and actions made poverty to dwell among the citizens,

To the level that the citizens feels comfortable being poor and makes praises about the little the government does for them with the much resources that could have benefited all if it was utilised as a commonwealth.

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August 29, 2026, 06:07:05 AM
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I believe that, in my country the politicians use this people as means for them to get what they want, A lot of young people are now used as tools just because of money. The system uses poverty as a tool to get their gains from others and not thinking about the damages of what they are doing.
It has to be that way, right, if they want the people specifically the youths to be at their beck and call them they must have to keep them in a condition where they would be unoccupied and jobless with their time. Without this, there will be no people to use for their interests.

No man being occupied and busy with useful activities that makes him responsible to his obligation as a person will dare create the time to be a tool in the hands of politicians who have by their deliberate political-economic policies and actions made poverty to dwell among the citizens,

To the level that the citizens feels comfortable being poor and makes praises about the little the government does for them with the much resources that could have benefited all if it was utilised as a commonwealth.
Hunger is a good tool in the hands of politicians to hold the citizens to ransom. They do it daily but most blind citizens fail to understand that this is a purely calculated financial attack on the masses in order to gain their loyalty. Poverty was notably used during the Nigerian Biafran war of the 60s when Obafemi Awolowo suggested the concept of Economic strangulation of the south east, cutting off all food supplies during the 1967-1970 Biafran war. This Starvation weapon led to the greater percentage of death recorded during the Biafran war in the south eastern Nigeria. After the war, he strategically created a systemic poverty in the south eastern Nigeria by his £20 financial limit for this region in order to cripple the economic strength of the people to avoid any other person from rising against the government.

If people start getting the awareness that they were made hungry in order to be controlled, then their attitude towards the government will change completely.











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August 29, 2026, 06:57:19 AM
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Poverty is not an accident but a systematic design by the government. To keep people under control. Government control minimum wage, inflation, taxation and education. All these can be used to orchestrate the poverty. If you think I am lying, look around you.

Banks charge the poor and give the wealthy leverage. Is that not one angle poverty is by design. The education system teaches you to be employees not entrepreneurs. Religion too has been used to control people.
In the past, poverty was seen due to natural disasters such as floods, droughts, epidemics or any other natural causes, but only natural disasters do not bring poverty. There are many examples where various government policies and various initiatives were one of the reasons for poverty. The disparity that has been created in the land and credit system due to political power is also a big example of poverty. That is why there is always no chance of avoiding poverty as natural. If the society makes the right rules and distributes it evenly among everyone, then poverty can be eradicated to a large extent.

Today, the government credit system creates an opportunity for those who are well-off in society to take loans at low interest rates, whereas if the poor could be given loans at low interest rates, they would benefit. Their personal development would be possible. But it is sad that those people who do not get any loan facilities from government and if they get that have to pay high interest rates, which is why they cannot change their financial situation.

The governments of many countries today do not want the common people of their country to come out of poverty, to understand their own good and bad. If a large part of the total population of the country lives in poverty, then the people of that country will follow the path shown by the government for leading their life. The governments will also be able to increase their stability.











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August 29, 2026, 10:03:54 PM
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The other more obvious cause of poverty generally is war and division within a country where the harm can be deliberate, but I would describe that as military activity more then mal governance especially.
There's no doubt about it. Beyond war, bad governance directly drives poverty through state control. Governments exert immense power over financial access by controlling banks, credit approvals, and business licenses. If you fall out of favor with the state or get blacklisted, that record follows you everywhere, shutting down your ability to build wealth traditionally.

That's why relying entirely on the banking system is a trap. The smartest move is building a business model that minimizes state dependency while simultaneously diversifying into Bitcoin. By combining a real world enterprise with a long term BTC accumulation plan, you avoid putting all your eggs in one basket and protect your capital from government interference. Both take time to yield results, but they offer true financial sovereignty.

I agree about bank, on my opinion, bank is a money raking machine for the top 3% wealthiest of the population at the top of the economic pyramid. Their risk measurement criteria favor wealth people who already posses wealth who have collateral to access bank facility, leave poor people without asset has limited access to capital. With this unfair practice bank produce existing inequality which is cheap capital for rich people and expensive for midlle and lower class.

But under normal state and government conditions, i think minimizing or eliminating the government's role are highly detrimental to the development of the business climate. Business has high correlation with investment, they demanding legal certainty and clear regulations. So we need good governance to establishing clear rules of the business game, enforcing the law fairly, and providing sufficient space for the public and businesses to compete and thrive. We don't need government control the game.

So what we need to combat poverty are good government that provides legal certainty, simple and fair regulations which give protection but not harming business ecosystem, banks that allocate capital efficiently, competitive markets, productive businesses that generate cash flow and and asset diversification to reduce risk.

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September 22, 2026, 07:00:46 PM
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I believe that, in my country the politicians use this people as means for them to get what they want, A lot of young people are now used as tools just because of money. The system uses poverty as a tool to get their gains from others and not thinking about the damages of what they are doing. Poverty can be self made too so I wouldn't just generalize this but it is also a fact that poverty can be caused or influenced by man for their own selfish interests. This explains why some corrupt leaders keep stealing public resources, they know that if they do this then they can cripple the economy and make a lot of people poor.
I think in most of the countries public are fool and they are blindly following the words of their leaders and they have respect for them. The people who want war will be poor in the future because War takes money from the country and it will affect all the people of country. If you are person who likes peace, then you will be stable in the near future and if you want war, your government will try to start a war but all inflation will be on poor people, and they will be poorer people in society. At that time, wars are happening as  Ukraine Russian War, Palestine Israel War and Iran USA war, these wars are creating more poor people and people are facing the consequences of that. The government will change after a few years but War will not stop. Governments always take advantage of the War and public does not get anything.

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This is what some people don't understand about inflation that is making them to blame government for spreading inflation in their country, government and citizens can cause inflation that will make the whole country to experience hardship that will make some of them to start leaving the country to another country to experience a good life, and I have seen or heard such situations like that until their government and citizens agreed together to make some law that will make government officials not to touch or spend government resources to their own business before they began to experience good economic, Any country that is experiencing a long inflation in their country, I think this two category of people government officials and citizens hands is on it because it will not take government some months to eliminate inflation which is the cause of poverty and other things in any nation.
You would have expanciated on what you mean , that citizens to contributes to inflammation in a country. As far as inflammation is concerned it's basically the handiwork of those managing the economy of a country, of which government is the one in charge of the economy. The economic team setup by any government in a country is key and Paramount to the economic development of such a country , and that has nothing to do with the citizens of the country.

It Should be noted that poor economic decision, such as the interest rate of the country, exchange rate of the currency of any nation are key deciding factors if we are taking about inflation of a country. Also your statements that government can fix the inflammation of a country in one month if they are willing is not correct. Economic problems are not always easy to solve as they take time to solve by the government.

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I believe there is a difference between poverty which is intentional and poverty which is unintentional and a result of the way a system runs. Policies can be made that have differential impact for various groups, inflation, taxation, education, and access to credit will sure have a different impact on different groups. But poverty doesn't necessarily make it the plan to control everyone. History also demonstrates that wars, bad institutions, technology advances and the absence of opportunity can also lead to poverty without anyone directly planning for it. While Bitcoin offers a financial alternative to people, it is not enough to change the financial system to eradicate the roots of poverty.

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People who are born into poor families have to go through poor education system, they have limited employment opportunities and their healthcare is not good. They have to face difficult economic conditions from start of their life. Even if that type of person rejects political propaganda, still skipping poverty is very difficult for him. Individuals have responsibility to make their circumstances better whenever possible but personal responsibility should not be used to ignore the problems in system. For poverty to be overcome, it requires both sides to work, people need to make good and wise decisions and demand better leadership, and government should create opportunities for them.
To be honest, I somewhat subscribe to the notion that poverty is, in a sense, engineered. Minimum wage policies exist so that employers can hire staff while workers earn enough to survive; if the government were to mandate high wages, employers would inevitably object, leading to increased unemployment. Yet, the current financial system seems to automatically drive a widening gap where the poor grow poorer and the rich grow richer. Those with substantial capital can generate greater wealth through low production costs and high profit margins. Conversely, the poor spend nearly their entire income on basic necessities, struggling to save money or acquire assets due to the impact of annual inflation.

A healthy society must possess the drive to break free from the cycle of structural poverty that has taken hold. At the same time, the government plays a crucial role in helping the impoverished elevate their standard of living. The state must provide decent-paying jobs, free healthcare, and accessible, high-quality education, alongside infrastructure development that empowers people to drive economic activity.

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September 23, 2026, 08:23:25 AM
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I believe there is a difference between poverty which is intentional and poverty which is unintentional and a result of the way a system runs. Policies can be made that have differential impact for various groups, inflation, taxation, education, and access to credit will sure have a different impact on different groups. But poverty doesn't necessarily make it the plan to control everyone. History also demonstrates that wars, bad institutions, technology advances and the absence of opportunity can also lead to poverty without anyone directly planning for it. While Bitcoin offers a financial alternative to people, it is not enough to change the financial system to eradicate the roots of poverty.

You are right about this one, there are some people that are poor and not because they want to be poor but because they found their self in that situation and honestly, to get out of poverty is not easy. It takes some generation of people to move from poor background to rich background. A family need one risk taker to change the chain of financial status to become a wealthy person, it's not always that easy like some people expect it to be.

The poverty that are intentional are the ones created by the politicians to people be the way they want. They use poverty to control people, they know that people that does not have money are easily controlled and they make decisions for them, they don't allow them to make their decisions because they know that money is all they need to press to change their decision.

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September 23, 2026, 09:16:14 AM
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The fastest way for a nation to face economic destruction is through war and internal fighting but what keeps a country in extreme poverty during peace times is bad governance. Take the instance of so many peaceful nations that still swim in poverty all because their leaders are terrible in managing the country's resources and are very corrupt. Those heartless leaders fail to understand that they kill their own citizens' chance for a better life and good living if they steal budgets meant for quality infrastructural developments and quality healthcare.
Just because a country has natural resources and a large budget doesn’t automatically mean that they will have better living standards. If you see a country that has a better living standards, then it’s one that knows exactly how to manage public money, a country where institutions prevents waste and holds official accountable.
But if a country’s resources are constantly mismanaged, then that country may remain peaceful but constantly struggle economically because there’s gonna be several essential services and infrastructures that would be neglected.

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I believe that, in my country the politicians use this people as means for them to get what they want, A lot of young people are now used as tools just because of money. The system uses poverty as a tool to get their gains from others and not thinking about the damages of what they are doing. Poverty can be self made too so I wouldn't just generalize this but it is also a fact that poverty can be caused or influenced by man for their own selfish interests. This explains why some corrupt leaders keep stealing public resources, they know that if they do this then they can cripple the economy and make a lot of people poor.

I do not blame the leaders for this situation most of the time, I often blame the people for this situation. Because every people has a hand in putting these leaders in power, if these people do not bring such deceitful and corrupt leaders into power then they will not be able to do any corruption and ultimately they will not be able to cripple the economy. So while electing a leader, every people should put the right person in power

To take a country to a higher level, first the people of that country have to be good and when the people of the country are good then that country can improve.

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September 23, 2026, 11:06:56 AM
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I believe that, in my country the politicians use this people as means for them to get what they want, A lot of young people are now used as tools just because of money. The system uses poverty as a tool to get their gains from others and not thinking about the damages of what they are doing. Poverty can be self made too so I wouldn't just generalize this but it is also a fact that poverty can be caused or influenced by man for their own selfish interests. This explains why some corrupt leaders keep stealing public resources, they know that if they do this then they can cripple the economy and make a lot of people poor.

I do not blame the leaders for this situation most of the time, I often blame the people for this situation. Because every people has a hand in putting these leaders in power, if these people do not bring such deceitful and corrupt leaders into power then they will not be able to do any corruption and ultimately they will not be able to cripple the economy. So while electing a leader, every people should put the right person in power

To take a country to a higher level, first the people of that country have to be good and when the people of the country are good then that country can improve.

Exactly! We are the ones who should be blamed because there were a lot of pieces of evidence and fact-checks available, yet we still voted for a corrupt leader. Some people also accepted becoming trolls on different social media platforms, posting updates about the current president and even bashing the other party in exchange for a little money, sacrificing their dignity without knowing what could happen in the future because of their choice of leader. Hopefully, here in our country, there will be changes in the future. The majority of people today know how to educate those who don't know how to fact-check properly and help them understand what has happened to our country. Hopefully, people will learn from what happened during the previous election and become more responsible and informed when choosing their leaders in the future.

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