Friendship vs Sectarianism

[Whiteronin]

I think I now have a clear understanding of what friendship is. The human psyche is "developed" in such a way, that friendship always requires a shared, noble goal. The absense of such a goal ("the meaning of life") also triggers a need for alcohol and other drugs (people say that they drink because of "boredom"). And when normal, non-sectarian companies of friends arise, people in them inevitably become interested in politics, then some of them begin to criticize authoritarian governments, and then the governments punish them for it—I'm talking about Western autocrats (deep state), among others. Consequently, normal and natural friendship is usually replaced by sectarian and drug-fueled "friendships."
I know women who go to dance clubs and make friends there; it seems obvious to me that dancing itself is of no use or interest to anyone, but making friends is essential for everyone. Thus, dancing is a very effective way to improve one's social skills, but to use it, one must be sufficiently irrational— he/she must internally believe that dancing is a wonderful thing which can save the world. Overall, I believe that dancing for women is roughly the same as beer, football, and fishing for men.
What I have described above is the cause of "idiocracy" and injustice in general; as the singer C C Catch sang, "good guys only win in movies."

[Findingnemo]

So many irrelevant things in one post, I just don't understand what to make out of it. Women/men or anyone else goes to club to enjoy not to make friends and hanging with them is also a part but it's not the sole reason. They just want to enjoy it, whether for drinking, make out later or anything worse like gold digging which all comes in with an excuse to begin, humans are social but as well as most selfish animals.

[hafiztalha]

When friends have mutual respect and goals then the friendship become rewaeding but it is not necessary that friendship always require the activities like you have explain dancing, there are people who enjoy these activities for their own personal entertainment and also they form long lasting friendship to them but it is not accurate to say that all friendship required objectives. All these activities like football dancing, fishing, they give us enjoyment and make us stress free for certain time and also help us to build relationship. When there is lack of purpose then then mostly people become exposed to unhealthy habits but that doesn't mean these outcomes are inevitable. Human relationships are very much diverse and any healthy relationship is based on trust and mutual respect.

[Whiteronin]

When friends have mutual respect and goals then the friendship become rewaeding but it is not necessary that friendship always require the activities like you have explain dancing, there are people who enjoy these activities for their own personal entertainment and also they form long lasting friendship to them but it is not accurate to say that all friendship required objectives. All these activities like football dancing, fishing, they give us enjoyment and make us stress free for certain time and also help us to build relationship. When there is lack of purpose then then mostly people become exposed to unhealthy habits but that doesn't mean these outcomes are inevitable. Human relationships are very much diverse and any healthy relationship is based on trust and mutual respect.

I am almost sure, that the pleasure from dancing or fishing occurs only because the mind gets the confirmation of its goal - new friends appear. People would not enjoy dancing or fishing, if they do this alone.

[Agbamoni]

Findingnemo made some valid point that I think you (Op) should listen to. Friends can be found anywhere. It can be found in your work place, school, church, bank, shy place with social gathering. The essence of having Freind is do that we will have soneine to share common interest not common habits. Sinking, drinking and drugs are habit. It shouldn't be used to identify who are our friends.

[Mhizlove]

Findingnemo made some valid point that I think you (Op) should listen to. Friends can be found anywhere. It can be found in your work place, school, church, bank, shy place with social gathering. The essence of having Freind is do that we will have soneine to share common interest not common habits. Sinking, drinking and drugs are habit. It shouldn't be used to identify who are our friends.

In addition a true friendship is not by where you people meet but by the kind of influence you both get on each other. A good friend will always respect your values, stand by you during your darkest times and encourage your growth instead of pushing you into making bad decisions. Having common goal or interest can bring people togethe,but you see respect, trust and genuine care makes friendships last longer, even though you both don agree on everything, a true or real friend will always support each other and wants the best for one another. In the end, one genuine friend that truly about your growth and wellbeing is much more better than keeping alot of friends that won't add any value to your life and growth.

[Majestic-milf]

So many irrelevant things in one post, I just don't understand what to make out of it. Women/men or anyone else goes to club to enjoy not to make friends and hanging with them is also a part but it's not the sole reason. They just want to enjoy it, whether for drinking, make out later or anything worse like gold digging which all comes in with an excuse to begin, humans are social but as well as most selfish animals.

I was struggling to also grasp the meaning of what he's trying to pass across so you're not alone.
So people go to bars to just make friends and not for the main purpose? See the thing is everyone has their way of thinking and friends are made anywhere so it's not because of a person's beliefs that begets friendship else you'd mean those in a particular sect should get or make acquaintances?

[Dunamisx]

Sinking, drinking and drugs are habit. It shouldn't be used to identify who are our friends.

The first thing to use as a tool is to identify who your friends are, because it will be the pointer to who you are, so we have to be conscious of those we walk around with and so call our friends, we should be sensitive in life and not anything we see coming our way should be allowed to penetrate to us, because some can bring luck or bad luck to us depending on their kind of nature and mission around us.

[Queen uloma]

You are right, friendship, only grows when people have something that they are pursuing to achieve together. But I won’t agree that everyone who dance, fish, watch football or drink is because they are looking for friendship. Different people have different reasons of what they’re enjoying. For me, the problem is not the activities itself, it is when people lose direction or begin to follow bad influence. A good friendship does not depend on cultism, politics or drugs. Real friends support each other, enjoy simple things together without losing their values and encourage each other to do better. It is true that sometimes good people doesn’t win  always immediately, but that does not mean that being a good person doesn’t have value, is totally wrong. If everyone give up because of how difficult things are, then the society will even get worse. That is why it’s very crucial for people to stand for what is right, always even when there’s no reward.

[Whiteronin]

So people go to bars to just make friends and not for the main purpose?

Yes. I believe that all so-called "clubs of interests" are based on this.
And also I believe that any really natural friendship (non-sectarian and non-narcotized) among people always leads to talks on politics.

[caroasi]

The way you link dancing with virtues and values is great... if only everyone would do that with more topics! It seems like you've missed out one the health benefits of exercise though. Being excessively docile leads to heart attacks, worse mental health, and other effects. Furthermore, there is the saying "dance like nobody is watching" which is a very good way to dance.

I agree that without virtues and values, friendships are hollow shells of little to no purpose other than giving them something to do until their death. I don't have much concern though for actions that have no purpose, but rather have a specific negative effect on society. According to some eastern philosophies, recognizing the purposelessness of life is how you advance to the next phase of existence. I disagree, but under that perspective it seems like focusing on such activities like dancing, music, and other arts would be an excellent way to act on that belief.

Exploring the consequences of our actions in the context of virtue and value is how we develop as people. I do believe dancing is good way to connect with others, connect to the otherworldly realms including the divine realm. It helps tune people to the synchronicities of this world and it's more hidden dimensions. That in turn when done in moderation would be one way to actually discover virtue and value in life. Also, there is an extensive philosophic writing that connects everything to virtues and values as the Rainbow Rock book (free at rainbowrock.rainrd.org) which I'd invite you to comment on here as to whether that offers any additional ideas that connect to this topic.

[Whiteronin]

In the op it was mentioned, that due to politics, genuine friendship is being displaced by relationships rooted in drug culture or sects. One could likely add "criminal" friendships to this list as well. I have watched American films about gangsters—such as The Godfather, Once Upon a Time in America, Heat - and I am getting the impression that the filmmakers were trying to express the idea that true friendship exists only among hoodlums.
I hope that, in the Western world today, an increasing number of revolutionaries are appearing - people who realize that both Left-wing and Right-wing politicians are deceiving them and are, in fact, in a hidden alliance. This friendship among revolutionaries should be considered the most normal and natural form of friendship, I think.

[Nokku]

I think I now have a clear understanding of what friendship is. The human psyche is "developed" in such a way, that friendship always requires a shared, noble goal. The absense of such a goal ("the meaning of life") also triggers a need for alcohol and other drugs (people say that they drink because of "boredom"). And when normal, non-sectarian companies of friends arise, people in them inevitably become interested in politics, then some of them begin to criticize authoritarian governments, and then the governments punish them for it—I'm talking about Western autocrats (deep state), among others. Consequently, normal and natural friendship is usually replaced by sectarian and drug-fueled "friendships."
I know women who go to dance clubs and make friends there; it seems obvious to me that dancing itself is of no use or interest to anyone, but making friends is essential for everyone. Thus, dancing is a very effective way to improve one's social skills, but to use it, one must be sufficiently irrational— he/she must internally believe that dancing is a wonderful thing which can save the world. Overall, I believe that dancing for women is roughly the same as beer, football, and fishing for men.
What I have described above is the cause of "idiocracy" and injustice in general; as the singer C C Catch sang, "good guys only win in movies."

Friendship united people and Sectarianism divide people. man can't live alone. he needs company and he finds it when he go to a club to dance or other activities like playing football, fishing, gathering together in a social occasion. where he finds his way to relive his stress. sharing opinion, problems people come close one to another.

[BTC FutureKing]

To choose friendship over sectarianism is a good and visible choice because friendship helps society to help one another and keeps humanity alive while hatred which is sectarianism keeps fighting hatred away and the society is badly affected.As far as we are concerned we don't belong to any religion and ideology section as living together does not mean that you and I have the same ideology. Everyone thinking is different and everyone's religion and sect is different.  But, friendship and humanity do not lose their grip on bad habits in human beings due to sectarianism and it is said that friendship teaches us to live together and together.

[Taricoins]

The ideology of lack or absence  of common goal friendship leads to drinking and hard drug consumption is a little bit myopic, inasmuch as friendship is important to keep sanity, friendship is not everything, the human being is complex and not that easy to define, you can still have bulks of friend and still feel empty inside, it's all psychological. In fact some people don't even feel the need to connect

[Davidloki]

Your topic has little or no relevance with the context of your post in my opinion because I can't see clearly where sectarianism comes into this post. Being a sectarian involves distinguishing yourself from others based on difference in beliefs or religion and that explains division in its simplest form.

Friendship on the other hand was explained in your post as people with identical goals and values and I totally acknowledge that. You cannot possibly be a pastor and be friends with a cultist, evil practices they say would always corrupt good manners and that remains valid anyday and anytime. Friendship should be aligned and not forced, it should come naturally when goals are identically inclined.

[Nokku]

To choose friendship over sectarianism is a good and visible choice because friendship helps society to help one another and keeps humanity alive while hatred which is sectarianism keeps fighting hatred away and the society is badly affected.As far as we are concerned we don't belong to any religion and ideology section as living together does not mean that you and I have the same ideology. Everyone thinking is different and everyone's religion and sect is different.  But, friendship and humanity do not lose their grip on bad habits in human beings due to sectarianism and it is said that friendship teaches us to live together and together.

Yes, I think friendship build a society. people share their problems with each other they can help one to another. meanwhile sectarianism badly affect society in many ways. people hate each other. some badly speech spreading hatred in the society. everybody suffer of it. practicing of sectarianism creating problems in the society. while using social media some people spreading hate speech in the name of sectarianism. 

[Marvelockg]

What I have described above is the cause of "idiocracy" and injustice in general; as the singer C C Catch sang, "good guys only win in movies."

The need to be part of a community had led to people getting into certain rooms and places just because they want to be identified with a certain community. in the process of identifying with the community, you eventually build relationship that might be in the form of friendship and some might find usefulness outside such environment while for others, the only thing that arties shares in common is that singular thing that brings them together.

guys that plays street football can easily relate with this because most of their circle came abound by the shared love of the game of soccer that they all have. take out soccer and nothing stands to sustains such friendship.
 

[Popkon6]

The ideology of lack or absence  of common goal friendship leads to drinking and hard drug consumption is a little bit myopic, inasmuch as friendship is important to keep sanity, friendship is not everything, the human being is complex and not that easy to define, you can still have bulks of friend and still feel empty inside, it's all psychological. In fact some people don't even feel the need to connect

People are living in different ways, many people feel lonely and many people love to live in society. People who love to live in society are also able to give their friendship status, in this situation, you will see that despite the importance of friendship, many people are drinking alcohol in solitude and are hurting their body day after day. However, adapting yourself to friendship is the best, because not everyone has the same mind and mentality, so adapting yourself is the greatest great thing.
People cannot live in solitude, in this situation it is natural that people will move with the help of people, so the importance of friendship is immense.

[Abdul Sami786]

Friendship and sectarianism are two completely different things and have different effects on each other.Friendship is a relationship that allows people to live together.In friendship religion sect and thought are not a condition.Friendship strengthens the bond of humanity while in sectarianism a person can only think this way.If someone thoughts do not match then one should not intend to establish a relationship or any other kind of relationship with him.Sectarianism itself creates hatred and division in humans. Sects are also created by humans and humans are sectarians who prefer not to belong to each other.We cannot make each other think our religion or sect.Everyone has their own will and their own thoughts.