Prejudice Against Beginners

[marrcelo]

Many beginners join the forum without knowing how to write well or without understanding the rules. Some come from poor countries, had to leave school to work, and never had the opportunity to get a good education. Even so, they want to learn and be part of the community.
Sometimes it feels like some people judge these users based on their first posts instead of talking to them, guiding them, and encouraging them. A beginner may write badly or create a poor topic simply because they are still learning. Everyone started without experience one day.
In my opinion, the forum should have a more relaxed section for beginners, where they could write without being afraid of being judged. A place to ask questions, share opinions, and learn from their mistakes. This would help many people improve and could even reduce the use of AI, because they would gain confidence to write in their own words.
Today, many topics seem to exist only for signature campaigns. Many people write only because they want to earn money, and that makes the forum feel less social. Some beginners become afraid to share their opinions because they fear criticism.
People who write well and had more educational opportunities usually adapt more easily. Those who had less access to education may end up feeling excluded. Some start using AI because they think they will never be accepted writing in their own way. Others stop asking important questions and may even fall for scams because they don't have enough guidance.
A strong community does not grow only by correcting mistakes. It also grows by welcoming people who genuinely want to learn.

[Hypnotizer]

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In my opinion, the forum should have a more relaxed section for beginners, where they could write without being afraid of being judged. A place to ask questions, share opinions, and learn from their mistakes. This would help many people improve and could even reduce the use of AI, because they would gain confidence to write in their own words.

There’s a section for that Already! The Beginners and Help board..

As someone really wanting to learn, you shouldn’t  be afraid of being Judged instead you should devote your time to learning and understanding what you’re learning. Talking about Confidence, if you really want to grow in a forum where opinions matters, you need to learn how to be confident and how you can stand on your own words… if you sure understand what you’ve learnt, confidence comes naturally.

Today, many topics seem to exist only for signature campaigns. Many people write only because they want to earn money, and that makes the forum feel less social. Some beginners become afraid to share their opinions because they fear criticism.

This is internet, criticism has always existed.. there are still genuine topics beginners can still learn from…either topics from the past or even new ones abd I believe they’re still people that constructively criticize newbie and even explain and correct their mistakes to them on this forum.

[SatoPrincess]

The reason why you’re not getting merits (I believe the real complaint is about merits) is not because you lack technical knowledge of bitcoin. I think people generally do not like to read walls of text and tend to ignore posts that look unstructured like the OP.

I don’t see why there should be another board for newbies when there is literally everything you need to get started in beginners & help. If you are truly interested in contributing to the forum, you would obey the forum rules and not post AI trash (just saw your tags).

P.S. this thread should not be in Bitcoin discussion.

[SatsPH]

I do understand what the user is trying to say here. But throughout my months of playing around the community, others advise that you need to grow some thick skin.

Just try to improved yourself, go around several topics and understand it. And just stay to the topic you're familiar with and again try to gain some knowledge along the way.

[MusaMohamed]

Many beginners join the forum without knowing how to write well or without understanding the rules. Some come from poor countries, had to leave school to work, and never had the opportunity to get a good education. Even so, they want to learn and be part of the community

If you can not write, let's read and advice is Newbies - Read before posting.

Forum welcome newbies, the welcome message is a good guide for newbies. They don't need to write too much, read and learn first are important for them. In fact they can write and discuss with not perfect English, and it's not big problem.

Language is not a barrier for newbies.

If you are fluent in any language other than English, then it is highly encouraged for you to post in your local board. These boards often have tight-knit communities which will be able to help you, and in some ways you might be at an advantage compared to English-only posters.

In the English sections, only English is allowed. It is not necessary to speak perfect English, though you should be understandable. Try your best. If you're unsure whether your English is good enough, ask in your local board or in the Beginners & Help section

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This would help many people improve and could even reduce the use of AI, because they would gain confidence to write in their own words.

This clearly shows that you do not know how people are. As some people are posting good, you will see some people that will always use AI to post. Although they will be known and be reported.

A strong community does not grow only by correcting mistakes. It also grows by welcoming people who genuinely want to learn.

If mistakes are not corrected, it would do harm than correcting the mistakes. People that are posting trash and rubbish or spamming are not welcomed.

[m2017]

Many beginners join the forum without knowing how to write well or without understanding the rules.

Therefore, beginners should first learn to "listen" before starting to write. They should also study the forum rules.

Some come from poor countries, had to leave school to work, and never had the opportunity to get a good education. Even so, they want to learn and be part of the community.

No one is stopping you from learning, because the forum is open to everyone.

Sometimes it feels like some people judge these users based on their first posts instead of talking to them, guiding them, and encouraging them.

Do you want every newbie to have a personal nanny?

I repeat, before writing your first post, you should carefully consider (if you are an inexperienced beginner) whether you really need to write this.

A beginner may write badly or create a poor topic simply because they are still learning. Everyone started without experience one day.

Such posts and topics will either be deleted or pushed to the back of the forum (where they belong).

In my opinion, the forum should have a more relaxed section for beginners, where they could write without being afraid of being judged. A place to ask questions, share opinions, and learn from their mistakes.

There is a "Beginners & Help" section for this.

This would help many people improve and could even reduce the use of AI, because they would gain confidence to write in their own words.

I don't think you should use AI at all when writing your posts, and I generally condemn it (problems with using your own intelligence? Then you shouldn't write anything at all).

Today, many topics seem to exist only for signature campaigns.

So, this is the root of all evil that's been bothering you, isn't it? You spent a long time leading up to this topic in your post.

Many people write only because they want to earn money,

And you want to join their ranks, right?

and that makes the forum feel less social.

So, are you saying that threads (even those created due to sig.campaigns) that encourage discussion between users make the forum less social?

Some beginners become afraid to share their opinions because they fear criticism.

Sharing your opinion requires some experience, as well as common sense and logic. I'm of the opinion that if I can't say anything on a topic, it's better to remain silent.

Criticism isn't used to condemn, but to encourage the opponent to "see" their mistakes and correct them, allowing them to "improve".

People who write well and had more educational opportunities usually adapt more easily. Those who had less access to education may end up feeling excluded.

Unfortunately, life is not fair and we start with different opportunities.

Some start using AI because they think they will never be accepted writing in their own way.

This doesn't justify them.

Others stop asking important questions and may even fall for scams because they don't have enough guidance.

More often than not, these "important" questions have already been asked many times (by fellow newbies), and all the answers are available in earlier discussions. You just need to search the forum for these answers.

Scams? Guidance? Are you asking for a personal nanny again? Learn to be independent.

A strong community does not grow only by correcting mistakes. It also grows by welcoming people who genuinely want to learn.

If you want to learn, then start doing it instead of complaining.


P.S. I think this thread belongs in the Beginners & Help  section.

[knowngunman]

First of all, this thread has nothing to do with Bitcoin discussion. It's best fit for beginners and help board.

Secondly, the forum loves to see newbies grow that's why there's a dedicated board for beginners but unfortunately some newbies take corrections as criticism. And a lot of them, yourself inclusive don't find it interesting to read about the forum and it rules.

I have not seen any newbie get punished for being genuine in the forum but I have seen a lot getting punished for pretending to be what they are not. When a beginner knows much about signature, then there's chances they're not a real beginner in the forum and they're not here to learn but to earn or they probably have a mentor that brought them here.

If you're afraid of being criticised, you're not ready to learn anything new. Criticism builds you to become a better version of yourself. The only person who never get criticised is the one who never share his opinion. You either quit the forum or grow a thick skin. Nobody is here to pamper you or beg you to stay.

Finally, I suggest you move the thread to the beginners and help board where this belongs.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Oh, OP, what happened? Just the day before yesterday, you said goodbye to the forum by sending me a PM asking me to delete your AI spammer tag, promising to leave the forum. Have you changed your mind? As it is familiar, there are complaints that some people cannot grow up in time and accusations that they have been unfairly offended.

You started by pretending to be a citizen of one country, then another, using AI, even though no one forced you to do it. Now you are offering something that will change the lives of people like you who are unable to read, read the rules, and learn the laws of the forum without haste rather than dictate to everyone that something is imperfect here.

I can predict your imminent disappearance here, as people with thick skin take root here; everyone else just melts like snowflakes without a trace.❄️❄️❄️

[logfiles]

Many beginners join the forum without knowing how to write well or without understanding the rules.

Speak for yourself. I was also once a beginner, but the most important thing is to look out for the forum rules and read them. Also checking out the threads that are pinned in different sub-forums. The can guide any beginner so well that they won't make silly mistakes. I guess you never did that.

In my opinion, the forum should have a more relaxed section for beginners, where they could write without being afraid of being judged. A place to ask questions, share opinions, and learn from their mistakes. This would help many people improve and could even reduce the use of AI, because they would gain confidence to write in their own words.

The forum is a relaxed place for beginners. The problem is you who wants to be too perfect and end up using AI to write posts.

Today, many topics seem to exist only for signature campaigns. Many people write only because they want to earn money, and that makes the forum feel less social. Some beginners become afraid to share their opinions because they fear criticism.

Just be you and see if there will be any problem. Members are more will to correct users who are genuine. Also it's always good to read more than you post.

[Jostern]

How do you think someone can be thought how to read and write in the Forum, first of all here is  a place where you have to know how to read and write, you absolutely don’t have any business coming to the forum, when you don’t know how to read, how will you know what to respond, you don’t even understand anything and you want to write what you absolutely don’t understand.

The best thing you should do is learn how to read and write first, before coming here, to avoid Palaganrism  and shit posting, because that is one of the rules here, you should not be shit posting, or doing anything palangarism related, so before coming to this domain the best thing is to learn how to read and write.

[Fiatless]

Many beginners join the forum without knowing how to write well or without understanding the rules. Some come from poor countries, had to leave school to work, and never had the opportunity to get a good education. Even so, they want to learn and be part of the community.

The target of every first-timer shouldn't be to start writing. Newbies should spend more time reading and understanding Bitcoin and the forum before contributing to discussions.

A strong community does not grow only by correcting mistakes. It also grows by welcoming people who genuinely want to learn.

This a public forum which consists of people from different locations with different behaviour. You will always feel welcome when you abide by the rules of the forum.  You would have to learn how to accept criticism without offense.

[Ultegra134]

The reason why you’re not getting merits (I believe the real complaint is about merits) is not because you lack technical knowledge of bitcoin. I think people generally do not like to read walls of text and tend to ignore posts that look unstructured like the OP.

I don’t see why there should be another board for newbies when there is literally everything you need to get started in beginners & help. If you are truly interested in contributing to the forum, you would obey the forum rules and not post AI trash (just saw your tags).

P.S. this thread should not be in Bitcoin discussion.

That's how it sounds, lack of merits means inability to rank-up, thus, to enter signature campaigns and earn money (then proceed to complain that the forum is signature campaign-oriented but only because he's not part of it).

The OP's post is exactly what you should avoid when you want people to hear what you have to say, posting a wall of text, without proper structure that makes it difficult to read. At first, I didn't want to bother reading, but did, because I was curious to see what the OP claimed. On top of that, just how you simply don't "trust" someone you don't know, don't expect newbies to be renounced after creating a bunch of what you consider "good" posts. Those who deserve the recognition eventually get it after persistence and quality posting.

[Bigjoe33]

Sometimes it feels like some people judge these users based on their first posts instead of talking to them, guiding them, and encouraging them. A beginner may write badly or create a poor topic simply because they are still learning. Everyone started without experience one day.
In my opinion, the forum should have a more relaxed section for beginners, where they could write without being afraid of being judged. A place to ask questions, share opinions, and learn from their mistakes. This would help many people improve and could even reduce the use of AI, because they would gain confidence to write in their own words.

I have come to understand that criticism is part of live and is one major way of growth. When you are criticized, wether wrongly or rightly, a wise man sees the lesson, adjusts and grows, while a foolish persons becomes angry and develops hate, retreats and then never grows but remain stagnant.

Secondly, I get your point about people's reactions on issues. Of course, you can't really control people, I mean everybody, and everybody can't really be like you or reason the way you do. So, what do you do? Would you run away or develope thick skin and grow? Am sure that even in this thread of yours, you will certainly receive many backlash, and more are yet to come, lol.

I would end by saying, for the sake of learning and knowledge, Ignore bad talks, pick the advice, learn from the good, follow of track good posters, read and navigate with a sound and devoted mind to learn, and before you know it, you would become one of the advisers of newbies in months or years to come because you would grow rapidly

[Lucius]

Oh, OP, what happened? Just the day before yesterday, you said goodbye to the forum by sending me a PM asking me to delete your AI spammer tag, promising to leave the forum. Have you changed your mind? As it is familiar, there are complaints that some people cannot grow up in time and accusations that they have been unfairly offended.
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Maybe he had a long conversation with the AI ​​that eventually advised him to create a new thread on Meta complaining about the "unfairness of the system"?

From what he wrote, it seems to me that for him and similar members there should be a board in which the use of AI will be allowed, any criticism strictly prohibited, and of course merit guaranteed for every x posts that each member makes.

He forgets that we all started as beginners, at a time when there was no AI, and there were some members on the forum who were very sharp in their attitudes towards others, and who have been gone for some time. The forum is therefore a much friendlier place for beginners today than it was 7-8 years ago.

[suzanne5223]

Many beginners join the forum without knowing how to write well or without understanding the rules. Some come from poor countries, had to leave school to work, and never had the opportunity to get a good education. Even so, they want to learn and be part of the community.
Sometimes it feels like some people judge these users based on their first posts instead of talking to them, guiding them, and encouraging them.

Bitcointalk seems to have a harsh culture toward newbies based on their first posts because.
1 They are throwaway accounts
2 A lot of spam and scam activities have been carried out using newbie accounts over the years.
3 The forum rules are to be set in stone
4 Normally, when you're new to the platform, you're to read before writing, look into how things work, contribute value, and don't rush.
However, there are still some users who dont quickly judge and guide the newbies.

A beginner may write badly or create a poor topic simply because they are still learning. Everyone started without experience one day.
In my opinion, the forum should have a more relaxed section for beginners, where they could write without being afraid of being judged. A place to ask questions, share opinions, and learn from their mistakes.

There's already a beginner and help section, which is meant for asking questions, but the creation of duplicate topics is not supported on this forum, so it is good for newbies to check if there's already a discussion about the question they want to ask.

Today, many topics seem to exist only for signature campaigns. Many people write only because they want to earn money, and that makes the forum feel less social. Some beginners become afraid to share their opinions because they fear criticism.

You said it yourself, and the signature campaign being the reason why some topics exist triggers spam, and to prevent it while prioritizing quality is one of the reasons why criticism and skepticism happen.

A strong community does not grow only by correcting mistakes. It also grows by welcoming people who genuinely want to learn.

The forum never gatekeeps or cages newbies, but to prevent constant spamming and scamming done by newbies, certain rules were set, and quality posting needs to be prioritized.

[AakZaki]

In my opinion, the forum should have a more relaxed section for beginners, where they could write without being afraid of being judged.

When you ask the forum to be relaxed towards beginners, it reminds me of someone's post on another forum. Even though they also have a fairly high rank, the criticism I throw at them, is always asked to me not to be too serious and asked to always be relaxed.

This is a forum where a lot of knowledge about Crypto is poured out, but if you can't accept criticism from your wrong arguments, I think you'll continue to be a beginner. Because in the end you can't accept the truth.

If in reality you are a less knowledgeable person, be what you are and keep learning, never feel smart with the help of AI.

[notocactus]

The forum never gatekeeps or cages newbies, but to prevent constant spamming and scamming done by newbies, certain rules were set, and quality posting needs to be prioritized.

There is no more newbie jails.

• Bitcointalk's important historic changes.
• Read more about changes of newbie jails.

A short quote only.

Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum.

If in reality you are a less knowledgeable person, be what you are and keep learning, never feel smart with the help of AI.

All people can use AI for checking their posts if they are still in bad written English and need to improve, but using tools such as AIs for writing posts and use them directly is too lazy, and it's not accepted, not only discouraged.

• AI guidelines.

[Obim34]

A strong community does not grow only by correcting mistakes. It also grows by welcoming people who genuinely want to learn.

To whom much is given, much is expected, my pull from this expression is, if a newbie should learn the forum, and also learn the reason behind the forum (Bitcoin), It's expected that the person actually grows and contribute thereof.

From my perspective, newbies are not focused on learning, I'm exhausted with threads started by newbies, actually low effort topics and teaching subsequently after their very first posts, which shouldn't be so.

[Dex_master25]

The intention of a beginner matters in this forum from my observation. If you intend to learn, no matter how badly your post is constructed, you must get a reply telling you about how to do it properly by the kind of comments you get or by a direct call out to the OP.
It is left for the beginner to know if they are matured enough to accept corrections and criticism in order to grow or see it as an attack on their personality and intelligence.

I have had the opportunity to read so many post, and I disagree that many of the post are because of campaigns or whatever you mean by that, because many are informative, and if there was no kind of incentive to be gained in reality, do you think people would try to do their best to keep this forum up and running and informative or jump to a better one that can at least give incentives for good effort?
Learning here is at a speed of light and unless you ask a specific question to a specific person through DM or call out, you would almost get a general answer from anyone willing to reply.
Hence the importance of doing personal research so as to know what to say and how to act in order to belong and fit in well.