Signature Ban Appeal and Q&A : appeal your sigban here

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I see this is causing quite a stir on the forum. I thought there would just be a few signature bans here and there, but nutildah has come out swinging. I hope he finds a balance. Once he's been given that power and has started the task, there's a little risk he'll end up overdoing it. But if he continues to sig ban users in a reasonable manner, this will clearly be a net positive for the forum.

I was checking those that Nutildah has banned their signature, they have almost the same pattern of posting as they are posting just mostly on the gambling mega thread and posting just on gambling threads that are not new. Almost all their posts are on the gambling board. Some people that got the merit and smerit airdrops are doing this but there are some people that were serious before, get to hero and start the bad posting and because of that getting no merit again.

I have a simple question to ask you bro...
Is there any where it's stated in the forum rule that a user must not post only in the gambling/gambling discussion board if this is the area they have the most knowledge on?

OK, let's just say I am a gambler, I gamble a lot and as such, love to participate in all kinds of gambling discussions, and I don't spam, or post burst, do you consider it impressive that I must participate in discussions on other subjects even if I lack clear understanding in or of those subjects? Is this not an invitation to spam?

And speaking of the merit system, it's centralized and it's a failure, agree with me or not, that's up to you..
And you see this sigban of a stuff ongoing, some of us know what this is all about, we know who and who is being targeted, just same way he who is given a yam and a knife decides who eats and who stays hungry..

[PostQuantumBTC]

I have a simple question to ask you bro...
Is there any where it's stated in the forum rule that a user must not post only in the gambling/gambling discussion board if this is the area they have the most knowledge on?

I do not think your account deserve that signature ban because you have good topics which still show that you were making efforts but almost all your posts are on the gambling board. Changing that will really help you.

And speaking of the merit system, it's centralized and it's a failure, agree with me or not, that's up to you..

Do not expect merit when you are posting on gambling board, everybody know that most gambling board posts are not earning merits.

[notocactus]

As a newbie, you have no idea if there's a lot of spam on the forum or not! You're a veteran member who probably has dozens of alt accounts and now you're presenting arguments because you're probably afraid some of them might get banned.

What are used now as solutions to fight against spam is like doing something on tip of an iceberg, and it will not prevent spammers.

• Merit system successfully prevented spammers ranked up.
• Before it failed when merit sources got more merits, and merits to shitposts were allowed gradually with time. That is like legally allowing spammers to rank up.
• Why we don't start at this point, fix the merit system? It will resolve the cause, rather than trying to cut grass on tip of the ground.
• If continue using this solution, it's like (again) another legal allowance towards spammers: like it's ok, you can farm merit, rank up, post shit, get money until we catch you.
• They farmed merit, and they must lose their ranks.
• Bring the demerit button, community can report merited shitposts, to derank spammers. They will stop posting from such accounts and will not rank up their new accounts in their old ways that now can not be used without losing ranks.
• Furthermore, it will return to a harder time for spammer to rank up again like how merit system succeeded years ago.
• Spammers ranked up by farming, already results in many things: spam endemic in the forum, they got merit undeservedly and made it harder to other people to rank up - like merit sources and forum members will feel harder to send merit, they suspect about many things; lastly such beautiful merited accounts can easily be accepted in campaigns because they had more merit totally and in last 120 days while in quality they are shitposters and even worse than accounts with lower merits.

Lastly, I feel like the forum accepts that things can happen shadily in local boards and ignore it, until such shitposters after ranking up by local boards start to bring their shitposts to English boards.

Think:
If we force spammers to rank up by posting good, we force them to have a good writing habit, and when they ranked up already, they will more likely post good, or at least better than spammers.

Let's create a community-led/ reported thread to demerit them in decentralized way.

A person who ranked up from posting good will make it a writing and posting habit and will not lose it after ranking up to Hero member or Legendary member rank, whereas the spammers who ranked up by shitposts to Hero/ Legendary member rank will continue his habit (writing shitposts). While with time, the farm becomes bigger and more shits around.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I have a simple question to ask you bro...
Is there any where it's stated in the forum rule that a user must not post only in the gambling/gambling discussion board if this is the area they have the most knowledge on?

No, there isn't.

I do not think your account deserve that signature ban because you have good topics which still show that you were making efforts but almost all your posts are on the gambling board. Changing that will really help you.

This case makes me doubt too. I haven't taken the time to look at every single banned user, but of the ones I know, this is the case where I'm least convinced he deserves a signature ban.

[Satofan44]

I have a simple question to ask you bro...
Is there any where it's stated in the forum rule that a user must not post only in the gambling/gambling discussion board if this is the area they have the most knowledge on?

No, there isn't.

I do not think your account deserve that signature ban because you have good topics which still show that you were making efforts but almost all your posts are on the gambling board. Changing that will really help you.

This case makes me doubt too. I haven't taken the time to look at every single banned user, but of the ones I know, this is the case where I'm least convinced he deserves a signature ban.

99% of his posts are generic and useless trash that I could write in 30 seconds each, which confirms that he is creating them solely to get a payout. That igebotz merited this also confirms that the user in question is one of the many farmed up accounts. The forum does not need this kind of shit, and were people like this filtered then the average quality of each post would rise substantially. To be this naive to a clear pattern is just a display of the inherent corruption and naivety of many of your idiots. This is one of the most common patterns of spamming here once the account has reached the right rank, whether historically or through merit. The most obvious ones have 1 paragraph >= min character count posts, the slightly less obvious ones have 2 or 2.5 paragraph posts but they extremely short and useless as if they were chat messages. Have you never heard of a strategy "pretending to try"?   Just because he isn't as bad as the worst examples of users that are shitposting, that does not mean that he isn't one.

If I posted like him, it would take me less than 30 minutes per week to fulfill his Stake.com quota -- but hey let's pretend he is writing genuine posts.

There you go, if an alt account appears to defend a 3rd world parasite like this it further strengthens the case that he is one of the many farmed up accounts.  

[Why2why]

99% of his posts are generic and useless trash that I could write in 30 seconds each, which confirms that he is creating them solely to get a payout. That igebotz merited this also confirms that the user in question is one of the many farmed up accounts. The forum does not need this kind of shit, and were people like this filtered then the average quality of each post would rise substantially. To be this naive to a clear pattern is just a display of the inherent corruption and naivety of many of your idiots. This is one of the most common patterns of spamming here once the account has reached the right rank, whether historically or through merit. The most obvious ones have 1 paragraph >= min count posts, the slightly less obvious ones have 2 or 2.5 paragraph posts but they extremely short and useless as if they were chat messages. Have you never heard of a strategy "pretending to try"?  

If I posted like him, it would take me less than 30 minutes per week to fulfill his Stake.com quota -- but hey let's pretend he is writing genuine posts.

Check this user trust feedback; he is a moron who thinks from his fucking ass. Remove your signature and contribute to the forum independently, then you can be taken seriously out of the moron zone.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I have a simple question to ask you bro...
Is there any where it's stated in the forum rule that a user must not post only in the gambling/gambling discussion board if this is the area they have the most knowledge on?

I do not think your account deserve that signature ban because you have good topics which still show that you were making efforts but almost all your posts are on the gambling board. Changing that will really help you.

I do not think your account deserve that signature ban because you have good topics which still show that you were making efforts but almost all your posts are on the gambling board. Changing that will really help you.

This case makes me doubt too. I haven't taken the time to look at every single banned user, but of the ones I know, this is the case where I'm least convinced he deserves a signature ban.

Nutilda said I post too much, that I make an average of 10 posts in a day which according to him; is not possible for anybody as no body has that much to say...



I didn't argue, I simply agreed with him not because he was right but because I hate to argue with ignorant people.
 + He didn't sigban me because I spam
 + He didn't sigban me because I post burst
 + He didn't sigban me because he thinks I'm using Ai
For which I know the forum rules and try as much as possible to avoid all of this, I put as much effort as i can in every of my posts, But let me return back to why I was banned..

Too much posts : and what does this even mean?
If a user makes an average of 10 posts a day and still maintains quality and forum standard, is this a crime deserving of a sigban? - No forum rule puts a limits to how many posts a user can make in a day - atlease, non I am aware of.

And lets be factual here, humans have different abilities and capabilities, I was very bad in physics back when I was in high school, but my school and 19 other schools went for a competition and a dude from my class scored the highest in same physics, I thought about how bad I was in this subject and wondered how this guy managed to score the highest in a competition involving students from 19 other schools, but did he cheat? The answer is "No"  he simply was more brilliant in physics than i was..

That you can't make 5 to 6 posts in a day without getting burned out does not mean it's impossible for others too. That you can't make 10 posts a day even if you want to, does not mean I don't have such ability too if I want, so long as the forum rule permits it and I don't end up spamming and or bursting or calling on Ai for assistance.

But I understand that we live in a world where if Monkey is given authority over other animals, the Monkey wants other animals to become; and start behaving like monkeys do, and this type of world is not a fair world at all especially to the lesser animals.

And About Merit
Nutilda said due to me posting too much, my posts are not quality enough to earn merits, knowing fully well that most of my posts are in the gambling board, and posts on this board hardly earn merits due to the almost general misconception that all gambling board posters are spammers, no one cares anymore to find those making genuine efforts on that board, should we all now start chasing after merit and abadon the gambling board? Even as gamblers ourselves?
And my question - Is or has posting or having most posts in the gambling board become an offence deserving of sigban?
@Nutilda and everyone else reading

Truth is, I never wanted to even discus my sigban or talk about it, because from how much I've seen that we hate ourselves on this forum, and another maybe unpopular fact that some users of this forum have some personal resentment against any user wearing a Stake signature ad, I know the argument will make no difference, me talking about this now is simply for posterity sake.

And speaking of the merit system, it's centralized and it's a failure, agree with me or not, that's up to you..

Do not expect merit when you are posting on gambling board, everybody know that most gambling board posts are not earning merits.

And what do you think is the reason? Is it that the gambling board is no longer part of this forum? Or that we all posting there are spammers? Tell me what you think.

[examplens]

I believe I dont need to remind you that making false accusations can have serious legal consequences, right?

I'd encourage you to be more careful about the claims you make online, especially when they're based on assumptions rather than verifiable facts. Its important to distinguish speculation from evidence before making statements that could harm someone elses or, in this case, a company reputation

You'd be better off dealing with spammers in your campaign than trying to scare someone with nonsense like this. Stake has nothing but a bad reputation on this forum.

I would suggest that they open a scam accusation case for this and hope for the efficiency that they themselves provide to other members when they open scam accusations against them.
What a joke from the casino, which immediately threatens consequences as soon as their fragile reputation is hurt. 

[Satofan44]

+ He didn't sigban me because I spam
 + He didn't sigban me because I post burst
 + He didn't sigban me because he thinks I'm using Ai
For which I know the forum rules and try as much as possible to avoid all of this, I put as much effort as i can in every of my posts, But let me return back to why I was banned..

Too much posts : and what does this even mean?
If a user makes an average of 10 posts a day and still maintains quality and forum standard, is this a crime deserving of a sigban? - No forum rule puts a limits to how many posts a user can make in a day - atlease, non I am aware of.

Yes he did, you are posting too much which dilutes the quality of your posts into posts that are equivalent to generic spam. If you doubled the time that you spend per each post created, thereby reducing the number of posts by 50% you would be producing content that is significantly better and possibly actually interesting. Instead you are using a strategy where you think that the quantity of your posts will hide what you are doing and why you are doing it, similarly to the other guy that is pretending to be naive about his post quality -- a completely childish tactic. Grow up and deal with this.

Fewer posts, better posts, longer posts, more substantial posts, more interesting posts. It does not get any simpler than that, stop pretending that you don't know the issue or trying to get past it. If you are not able to make 10 good posts per day, then make only 3 posts per day. Problem solved. Stop complicating this with bullshit excuses and diversions.

And lets be factual here, humans have different abilities and capabilities, I was very bad in physics back when I was in high school, but my school and 19 other schools went for a competition and a dude from my class scored the highest in same physics, I thought about how bad I was in this subject and wondered how this guy managed to score the highest in a competition involving students from 19 other schools, but did he cheat? The answer is "No"  he simply was more brilliant in physics than i was..

This literally has nothing to do with post quality. You can have excellent post quality regardless of what your "abilities" and "capabilities" are.

And what do you think is the reason? Is it that the gambling board is no longer part of this forum? Or that we all posting there are spammers?

99% of the users and posts in that section are spam. Most users do not read anything, they write complete generic hallucinations. If you are "not aware" of this, you are part of the problem.

What a joke from the casino, which immediately threatens consequences as soon as their fragile reputation is hurt.  

The bigger fragility lies with the DT system, where its members fail to act when such untrustworthy behavior utilizing threats appears.
If somebody's posts were like this, then nobody would have an issue if you were making 10 or even 100 posts per day.

[virasog]

99% of his posts are generic and useless trash that I could write in 30 seconds each, which confirms that he is creating them solely to get a payout. That igebotz merited this also confirms that the user in question is one of the many farmed up accounts.

Seems like you are just in a hurry to write Blah Blah on every user who come up with his own justifications and you don't even care to read the reply.

Here igebotz merited that post because Free Market Capitalist is least convinced that Fivestar4everMVP should get the ban but you comprehended to your own will  

This case makes me doubt too. I haven't taken the time to look at every single banned user, but of the ones I know, this is the case where I'm least convinced he deserves a signature ban.

And by the way you haven't replied to this post yet  

If a person is asking for feedback in a respectable manner, it doesn't mean that he is pretending and showing childish behavior. I was asking the feedback from @nutildah and i got my answers. I don't know what makes you so offended about it  

And as you said compare yours and mine post history, well then why stop on the posts only, let's compare the trust history also. Here is yours  Trusted feedback  

 Main Highlights: Abuses the trust system, false feedback, spread false claims and many more.

[Karl_3000]

If I posted like him, it would take me less than 30 minutes per week to fulfill his Stake.com quota -- but hey let's pretend he is writing genuine posts.

Per day or per week? This is exaggeration, it is not possible if it is per week.

Check this user trust feedback; he is a moron who thinks from his fucking ass. Remove your signature and contribute to the forum independently, then you can be taken seriously out of the moron zone.

Satofan44 has been one of the best posters that I know on this forum, you can easily also know from his profile also but I am reading what he is posting. Campaigns managers want people like him which is very good but I do not like his trust feedback.

[Satofan44]

99% of his posts are generic and useless trash that I could write in 30 seconds each, which confirms that he is creating them solely to get a payout. That igebotz merited this also confirms that the user in question is one of the many farmed up accounts.

Seems like you are just in a hurry to write Blah Blah on every user who come up with his own justifications and you don't even care to read the reply.

Here igebotz merited that post because Free Market Capitalist is least convinced that Fivestar4everMVP should get the ban but you comprehended to your own will  

I have interpreted it correctly, it seems that you have a failure in reading comprehension like countless 3rd world pajeets here. igebotz is the reason for an army of useless shitposters, so if he is defending some shitposter it mostly confirms that it is a farmed up account. If you investigate merit distribution over there, you can clearly see it is very biased in a clique way between members who are part of it and not part of it -- it has nothing to do with post quality. They will jump to boost a very mediocre member's post or thread simply because they "know him" collectively, and they will ignore members who make significantly better posts because they are not part of their clique.   Neither you nor Fivestar4everMVP should be allowed at all to be present in a forum such as this, or any forum in existence.

If I posted like him, it would take me less than 30 minutes per week to fulfill his Stake.com quota -- but hey let's pretend he is writing genuine posts.

Per day or per week? This is exaggeration, it is not possible if it is a week.

I was not talking about all of his posts. The usual campaign quota of 20 to 30 posts per week I can finish under 1 hour using the level of quality that is acceptable for Stake participants. In the case of this campaign it is a minimum of 25 posts per week, but they have some bonus system which is why many of the users are shitposting so much. You can scale that up, reasonably it would take me 3 to 4 hours at most to get that level of posts up. You need to understand how this works, it has nothing to do with normal posting. You open 10 threads in 10 tabs, write 10 generic posts and hit submit only with some time in between. I can write well over 100 WPM and I am not at all gifted in the speed of writing. This means that without reading and thinking, producing just generic output that has any kind of relation to the thread I can deliver over 1000 words per 10 minutes. I looked at some posts by Fivestar4everMVP in the gambling section, which average between 150 and 200 words. This means that they can be easily written within 2 minutes. I hope that helps.  

If you go far back in their spreadsheet there was even users making 115 posts per week, all 115 of those posts in the gambling section. Their ‘best posters’ seem to be chosen at random, since it's usually a new set of posters each week, many of them being some of the worst spammers on the forum.

See this post and thread reference too.

Look dude, you are not a person or forum user I regard as important, your comment means shit to me, even if I need to be advised, it's definitely not from shithead like you..
I know your game, you are here doing eye service to avoid getting sigbanned yourself, but this won't save you when it's time, continue licking assess and take a chill on my ignore list..

You can royally fuck off, 3rd world shitposting piece of shit. If theymos didn't have liberal brain rot, you would be permanently banned and most of your fellow users as well.  

[Fivestar4everMVP]

~Snip

Look dude, you are not a person or forum user I regard as important, your comment means shit to me, even if I need to be advised, it's definitely not from shithead like you..
I know your game, you are here doing eye service to avoid getting sigbanned yourself, but this won't save you when it's time, continue licking assess and take a chill on my ignore list..

[nutildah]

@Nutilda and everyone else reading[/b]

Truth is, I never wanted to even discus my sigban or talk about it, because from how much I've seen that we hate ourselves on this forum, and another maybe unpopular fact that some users of this forum have some personal resentment against any user wearing a Stake signature ad, I know the argument will make no difference, me talking about this now is simply for posterity sake.

I don't understand what happened in the time between your 2nd PM and now. You seemed pretty understanding of the situation and my reasoning. I wouldn't publish your PM here without your permission, but we both know its not necessary either way.

I am keeping records of my work and theymos is welcome to ask for them at any time. In addition, there are a couple other widely-trusted individuals who can verify my methods and conclude for themselves if my actions are reasonable.

The goal of all this is to encourage better conversation on the forum, not to punish anybody for their behavior. This is a novel implementation and I may get things wrong occasionally.

Additionally, I have no intention of trying to set new policies on the forum, but rather apply pre-existing ones in a different way.

[Xiestar]

Check this user trust feedback; he is a moron who thinks from his fucking ass. Remove your signature and contribute to the forum independently, then you can be taken seriously out of the moron zone.

Satofan44 has been one of the best posters that I know on this forum, you can easily also know from his profile also but I am reading what he is posting. Campaigns managers want people like him which is very good but I do not like his trust feedback.

I don’t like this nonsense ass licking. A foul reputation should be highly considered not only post quality.

Nulius is the biggest example for this. He has very good technical knowledge yet he destroyed his reputation. Satofan44 case is just a special since he is a pajeet that knew how to behave when he is on the hot spot instead he write post for signature campaign payment.

I’m sure business owner preferred someone with good attitude to promote their business over a person with garbage attitude. The forum is just to scarce on people with technical knowledge these days that’s why he is free to do what he wants because it’s the preference of campaign manager even the product they are promoting is a fuckin casino.


I nominate @Satofan44 to received this ban. He is on the ignore list of most trusted user, being distrust and with worst attitude which means his post is almost no audience.

His post is just a garbage crap on gambling board. His strategy is to be an ass to get some interaction which is just a noise in the forum.

Let’s see if he will post the same way if signature privileges was removed.

[virasog]

I have interpreted it correctly, it seems that you have a failure in reading comprehension like countless 3rd world pajeets here. igebotz is the reason for an army of useless shitposters, so if he is defending some shitposter it mostly confirms that it is a farmed up account.

3rd world pajeets ?? Well at least they have manners and are not moron.  

Neither you nor Fivestar4everMVP should be allowed at all to be present in a forum such as this or any forum in existence.

Sorry, Your wish cannot be fulfilled. I will remain here and one day you will be seeing me replying you with my signature ban lifted. Just wait for the day.  

[Why2why]

~Snip

Look dude, you are not a person or forum user I regard as important, your comment means shit to me, even if I need to be advised, it's definitely not from shithead like you..
I know your game, you are here doing eye service to avoid getting sigbanned yourself, but this won't save you when it's time, continue licking assess and take a chill on my ignore list..

Satofan44 can never get signature ban, he an alt of a prominent power ringers in this forum, he in the forum years before this identity, duplicate account. Is a game theymos is baited, merit source giving to alt accounts, moderator give to fraudulent scammers, ability to ban other forum members given to?, underdevelopment is a product of a failed system.

[stompix]

Truth is, I never wanted to even discus my sigban or talk about it, because from how much I've seen that we hate ourselves on this forum, and another maybe unpopular fact that some users of this forum have some personal resentment against any user wearing a Stake signature ad, I know the argument will make no difference, me talking about this now is simply for posterity sake.

You guys, your campaign manager and whoever else is involved with Stake need to really get over this bullshit!

Nobody has an issue with Stake, or its campaign members, one of the guys with whom I interact the most in the gambling section is in the Stake campaign, he is probably one of the most active ACTUAL gamblers here, yet magically, spam of 4 lines was rated better than him by the 'management' team. Which is pure bullshit!!!

You want to know why some people saw you as a quotaposter? I can tell you why, it's called being a xerox machine:

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I really don't want to take Satan44 of my ignore list, but if anyone here insists we can make a h2h comparison in variance, what do you think the results would be?

[libert19]

Ya know, if people were to not rely on forum for their needs, they wouldn't be so much offended with this bans. You are not banned from posting what's the fuss about? Whatever, this thread is extremely entertaining, I rate it 10/10.

I really don't want to take Satan44 of my ignore list

Perfection! Why did I never think of that? Oh I guess, I need to be clever like stompix.

[Zanab247]

                  Hello forum users,


I guess you guys are doing a great job to be among the people that stand on their ground to make this forum remain standard and clean for users like us to learn more to improve to where will are. Looking at the current situation that brought my account here for sigban, I don't see anywhere I display low quality post but if there is, it maybe when I was down over some months. I would have quite from the forum but  I have some outstanding bills to  settle for the treatment to be successful which is not an excuse for displaying low quality post you claim for my sigban in the forum. If you can take a little of your time to go through my gambling post you will know is not a low quality post, just my own idea and contribution towards the thread. I know am not perfect which I have accepted because am a human and am open for correction anytime or any day in this forum. I stand for the progress of this forum and am ready to embrace any final judgement the forum will decide towards the claim. I know some will not care about this sigban but for those that used this platform to experience peace of mind, to pay some school bills and other bills will stand for the progress of the forum. I'm appealing for the one year sigban, i will surely going to improve if there are some area am lacking quality Post in the gambling section. Thank you guys for the good work.