Signature Ban Appeal and Q&A : appeal your sigban here

[icopress]

Maybe, something like trust flags,  but wait for it...sig flags. We've got a few users who can dish out the signature bans so they do the majority of the work. However, the community can vote against certain users that they think shouldn't have been sig banned. This could lead to abuse, if you hit a account farm, but that should be fairly easy to spot and might actually out them more than anything else.

theymos is probably sick of new feature requests though   and might just be too complex. global mods / admins can always step in if they deem it an inappropriate sig ban and users complaining via this topic / meta should be enough for that.

Cool ... this would bring the spark back to the forum.

I have an idea in the meantime: if we can agree upon a single, neutral third party to review the data and decisionmaking process behind your particular sigban, I'd be more than happy. Keep in mind we must both agree we believe the third party will be neutral. (And they also have to be willing to accept the role.)

Ideal candidates would be JayJuanGee and vaporminer, but logically, they're a bit biased, as they've always been against paid bbcode signatures.

Therefore, the third party should be someone like d5000 or The Cryptovator.

I also think the initial ban should be for 120 days, not a year. The forum averages about 25,000 posts per week, and long-term bans would significantly reduce overall activity, while a three-month ban would provide just enough time for a re-examination (a second ban would double the ban, for example).

[BluebloodCXVI]

99% of his posts are generic and useless trash that I could write in 30 seconds each, which confirms that he is creating them solely to get a payout. That igebotz merited this also confirms that the user in question is one of the many farmed up accounts.

Seems like you are just in a hurry to write Blah Blah on every user who come up with his own justifications and you don't even care to read the reply.

Here igebotz merited that post because Free Market Capitalist is least convinced that Fivestar4everMVP should get the ban but you comprehended to your own will  

I have interpreted it correctly, it seems that you have a failure in reading comprehension like countless 3rd world pajeets here. igebotz is the reason for an army of useless shitposters, so if he is defending some shitposter it mostly confirms that it is a farmed up account. If you investigate merit distribution over there, you can clearly see it is very biased in a clique way between members who are part of it and not part of it -- it has nothing to do with post quality. They will jump to boost a very mediocre member's post or thread simply because they "know him" collectively, and they will ignore members who make significantly better posts because they are not part of their clique.   Neither you nor Fivestar4everMVP should be allowed at all to be present in a forum such as this, or any forum in existence.

If I posted like him, it would take me less than 30 minutes per week to fulfill his Stake.com quota -- but hey let's pretend he is writing genuine posts.

Per day or per week? This is exaggeration, it is not possible if it is a week.

I was not talking about all of his posts. The usual campaign quota of 20 to 30 posts per week I can finish under 1 hour using the level of quality that is acceptable for Stake participants. In the case of this campaign it is a minimum of 25 posts per week, but they have some bonus system which is why many of the users are shitposting so much. You can scale that up, reasonably it would take me 3 to 4 hours at most to get that level of posts up. You need to understand how this works, it has nothing to do with normal posting. You open 10 threads in 10 tabs, write 10 generic posts and hit submit only with some time in between. I can write well over 100 WPM and I am not at all gifted in the speed of writing. This means that without reading and thinking, producing just generic output that has any kind of relation to the thread I can deliver over 1000 words per 10 minutes. I looked at some posts by Fivestar4everMVP in the gambling section, which average between 150 and 200 words. This means that they can be easily written within 2 minutes. I hope that helps.  

If you go far back in their spreadsheet there was even users making 115 posts per week, all 115 of those posts in the gambling section. Their ‘best posters’ seem to be chosen at random, since it's usually a new set of posters each week, many of them being some of the worst spammers on the forum.

See this post and thread reference too.

Look dude, you are not a person or forum user I regard as important, your comment means shit to me, even if I need to be advised, it's definitely not from shithead like you..
I know your game, you are here doing eye service to avoid getting sigbanned yourself, but this won't save you when it's time, continue licking assess and take a chill on my ignore list..

You can royally fuck off, 3rd world shitposting piece of shit. If theymos didn't have liberal brain rot, you would be permanently banned and most of your fellow users as well.  

At this point you should probably just shut your damn mouth and get the fuck out of here with your holier than thou attitude.

You’ve got 6 neutral tags with 1 negative tag on your profile, should you really be the one to be here judging anyone ?

Since you think you’re not on the same level with the rest of us here, why don’t you just fuck off and go find another space where everybody is on the same wavelength as you, i’m sure it would feel like home there instead of coming here to spread your hateful propaganda around.

[nutildah]

Please, this thread is already messy, and its not meant for general opinions. Its for sigban appeals and questions related to the process. I would have made it self-moderated if it were an option.

If you are not a sigban recipient and insist on sharing your opinion, there is already a thread for that.

Thanks for being considerate.

[Qunenin]

- Unoriginal or low effort replies, including inappropriate use of AI content.
- Repetitive, previously-expressed or generic comments that don’t add value or encourage conversation.
- Consistent burst posting (regularly writing posts less than 10 minutes apart).
- Off‑topic posting or shallow engagement (doesn't provide insight, analysis or perspective).
- Posting in principle for signature campaign payment and not for the sake of contributing actual discussion.

With all these generic rules that can't be measured, only the thing left is that if account have good merits, then it can be saved but

- Merit will not save you if your posts are for the most part unsubstantial and you write the same things in the same threads over and over again.

and even merits can't save you.

So how on earth can we keep our accounts running as there is no clear instructions ? Its just the will of OP and his friends to keep banning our accounts without any reasons.

[LoyceV]

So how on earth can we keep our accounts running as there is no clear instructions ? Its just the will of OP and his friends to keep banning our accounts without any reasons.

Please share how many of your alts have already been Sigbanned, given that you woke up this years inactive account to complain about it?

[Karl_3000]

and even merits can't save you.

Earning merits can save you but not actually what will save you totally, people that sent the merit also matters. If bunch of spammers are sending merit to themselves, it will not save them.

But why did you talk about merit when the merit you have earned in your whole time on the forum since 2018 is only 6? You also joined a gambling site campaign that people against according to the trust feedback you were given. You are only in the forum for money.

So how on earth can we keep our accounts running as there is no clear instructions ? Its just the will of OP and his friends to keep banning our accounts without any reasons.

Learn how to earn merit randomly from people that you do not know, that means you have answered the question yourself.

[Satofan44]

Therefore, the third party should be someone like d5000 or The Cryptovator.

I also think the initial ban should be for 120 days, not a year. The forum averages about 25,000 posts per week, and long-term bans would significantly reduce overall activity, while a three-month ban would provide just enough time for a re-examination (a second ban would double the ban, for example).

They would be a tad soft, but they are excellent choices. As long as it is nobody directly related or indirectly related to the local boards from where the majority of these users are being banned, furthermore there are different other kinds of biases that must be avoided in addition to people who would be way too soft which is not a "neutral" party. I have suspected for a long time that there is an organized boosting and farming clique with the involvement of both merit sources and staff members, violations on the level of Sapta but this place is way too lenient without "proof" even when it is staring them in the face. In the case of Fivestar4everMVP, three independent people who don't even like each other have already confirmed in different ways that the ban is deserved. stompix, myself, and this guy below. All three are "neutral" parties, unless you consider bias against shitposting to be bias in which case they are "not neutral". That tells you enough about this ban.   @d5000 take a look at this whole thread since you may have not done so yet.

If having a post pattern is now a criteria to get sigbanned

This "pattern" is exactly what hilariousandco described in 2016:

What counts as an unsubstantial or unconstructive post? There is obviously no set definition to what constitutes unconstructive posting as it is entirely subjective and is ultimately down to Staff opinion on what posts are constructive or not, but generally it is quite easy to spot a spammer posting only for payment. Spam can come in many forms, but a typical spammer's posts will often follow some sort of pattern which will be immediately obvious upon inspection and will usually consist of one or two sentences of rehashed opinion posted as fast as possible with the minimal amount of effort being put in. A quality/constructive poster will generally have no pattern to their posting history and will have posts ranging from one word to one sentence to several paragraphs and everything in between and this is what you should be aiming for. If you find yourself in a position where you are forcing yourself to reply to a thread due to your signature campaign then that's a pretty good indication that you're likely making unsubstantial posts.

The fact that various alts and account-farming enablers have come to defend the account also adds more credibility that the ban is well placed. There has not been a single ban that was incorrect so far -- actually nutildah is being way too slow, careful and generous given that the backlog is several hundred or several thousands of accounts. @nutildah get to it, we are not getting any younger here.

I also think the initial ban should be for 120 days, not a year. The forum averages about 25,000 posts per week, and long-term bans would significantly reduce overall activity, while a three-month ban would provide just enough time for a re-examination (a second ban would double the ban, for example).

That is way too soft given that some of these accounts have been doing this for many years. You must also consider the cost/benefit analysis, and short bans provide a much stronger reason to pretend and fake it until you make it. Very few people would actually pretend to write good posts over 1 year in order to come back to spamming after their signatures have been restored. It is too much effort.

An analysis of the entire active, English-section forum population has been done. I'm working on a way to provide more transparency for those curious about the reasons for their sigban, and for anyone who wants to know if I think their posting quality and behavior could use improvement. It should be done in about 24-48 hours.

Are we truly going to witness the revival of this forum into something that is sensible and actually useful for Bitcoin and its mission? This place has been a net negative for very long time for Bitcoin, some softies delude themselves that something is beneficial as long as it has any kind of benefit even if 99% of the content is useless junk.

[stompix]

On average Characters   97.55   Words   18.65   Sentences   2   Paragraphs   1.9...............

Do you extract the statistics you are trying to extract manually or do you use any tools or scripts? If you have to extract it manually, it will take a lot of time but if you can use tools or scripts, it will take much less time. But I want to know how you extract it, I would be benefited if you could share it.

I did it manually, as I said previously: it was supposed to be one time, then two, then three, but that's it!
I don't plan on analyzing everyone or anyone else, if anyone is interested, it can be done easily just by scraping the archives.
Also, anyone in charge of one of those archiving tools wants it can add this as a default function when they scrape posts, it's just a few lines of code.
Besides, it seems like something is already being done in terms of analysis.

An analysis of the entire active, English-section forum population has been done. ~. It should be done in about 24-48 hours.

Grabbing popcorn.  
I have a feeling that no matter how fucked up we believed the situation was, it's gonna show it's even worse.

No, i have earned hundreds of merits and many more in all these years, thats not an issue.

Huh?
https://bpip.org/Profile?id=698772

Has earned 6 merit 2 times, from 2 profiles

[NotATether]

No, i have earned hundreds of merits and many more in all these years, thats not an issue.

Airdropped merit does not really count as earned tbh. Which given your account age is probably 500/506? Dunno, and I don't really care much tbh - I didn't check BPIP. See stormpix reply from 2 minutes ago

So in case you're wondering why it feels hard to appeal your sig ban, now you know.

[Karl_3000]

No, i have earned hundreds of merits and many more in all these years, thats not an issue.

What kind of lie is this? Do you not know everything that is happening on the forum is recorded somewhere that people can see it all?

You earned 5 merits from MrEggman on this posts on July 2nd 2018. SmokerFace sent you 1 merit on this thread on October 15th 2021. That were the only merits that you have earned on this forum from two users.

You have not earned merit from any merit source or reputable member on this forum since 2018.

[Xiestar]

Please, this thread is already messy, and its not meant for general opinions. Its for sigban appeals and questions related to the process. I would have made it self-moderated if it were an option.

If you are not a sigban recipient and insist on sharing your opinion, there is already a thread for that.

Thanks for being considerate.

“Reputable” users above. Please be reminded on this request.

As long as this thread is not self-moderated, users will keep hijacking this thread whenever there’s opportunity for signature campaign +1 post.

[Revolution2025]

APART FROM THOSE WHO ARE WITHIN THE RANK TO EARN FROM A SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO JOIN AND EARN, EVERY OTHER PERSON THAT IS PUTTING ON A SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN ADS IS HERE TO EARN

IT WILL BE STUPID TO SIGBAN A USER BECAUSE THEY MAKE POSTS SOLELY TO COMPLETE SIGNATURES CAMPAIGN QUOTA AND EARN

THERE ARE MANY PLATFORMS ON THE INTERNET AND IN THIS DIGITAL AGE A LOT OF THEM PAY USERS ON THOSE PLATFORMS

HOW MUCH IS THE HIGHEST AMOUNT THAT A SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN COMPANY PAYS THE HIGHEST RANK, IT'S NOT EVEN UP TO $200 WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE TOKEN FOR THOSE IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES

SOCIAL MEDIA PAYS MORE IF YOU HAVE MANY FOLLOWERS, EVEN IF YOU CREATE MEANINGLESS CONTENTS THERE ARE THOSE WHO WILL ENGAGE IN YOUR CONTENTS AND YOU WILL GET PAID

IF THIS FORUM IS MAKING IT TOO DIFFICULT FOR MAJORITY OF USERS, IT IS TIME TO FLEE AND LEAVE THE FORUM

WITH TIME IT WILL DIE A NATURAL DEATH

THEYMOS SAID HE DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE THE FORUM STRICTER BUT THAT IT WAS ALL LIES

IN A SANE FORUM, THE ADMINISTRATOR WILL NEVER APPOINT ONE PERSON TO TAKE CHARGE OF SIGBANNING ACCOUNTS BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT IT WILL BE BIASED

SHITPOSTING, SPAMMING AND LOW QUALITY POSTS ARE WORTHY OF A TEMP/SIG BAN

BUT BANNING USERS JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE EARNING FROM A SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN IS WITCHCRAFT

THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WEARING A COMPANY'S SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN ADS AND KICKING AGAINST THOSE EARNING JUST LIKE YOU, ARE ALL HYPOCRITES

[nutildah]

Hi all. I made an important update to the OP and am pasting it here for your convenience:

Update July 26:

In order for sigban recipients to have a better understanding of the reason(s) behind their ban, I developed a simple utility that displays basic information about where an account's "post health score" falls in a range of active users on the forum.

Bitcointalk Post Health Score Lookup

Along with this information are messages triggered when certain thresholds are met, meant to inform the user of ways in which they might be able to improve their score. Please note that the generation and analysis of these scores is just one part of a larger process that involves manual review before issuing a sigban.

Non-sigbanned members are of course also welcome to look their scores up, and encouraged if they feel their posts might need some improvement.

How to use it:

1. Visit postflayer.onrender.com
2. Wait 30-50 seconds for the program to load
3. Type in a user ID & press "Lookup"

That's it.

The server "spins down" if inactive after so many minutes, meaning you will have to refresh the page. Bear in mind not all user IDs will have scores.

The software hasn't been thoroughly tested yet and I apologize in advance if some things don't make sense. Your score definitely won't make sense if you:

1) seldom post outside of local boards or the bounty board
2) have less than 200 posts
3) post a lot of template content

Please report any bugs you might find. Thank you.

Also please don't post screenshots of your scores here, thanks, unless you got a sigban and you really want to.

[[btc]]

~

Very cool, man. I got curious and I'm fucking dying, lol. - "What score did you think we'd give satoshi?".

I know it says to wait 30 or so seconds to let it load, but I just want to note that I was able to type in a user ID immediately upon the page loading up for me, and got a response immediately as well. Also, I'm going to go out on a whim and predict that the number one thing that "won't make sense"/complained about, is the lack of information displayed on the site being used to determine the score, %ranking of active users, areas of improvement. (i.e. this is how we are calculating) The response to such complaints are obviously...obvious. I just wouldn't be suprised if you get a lot of those.

[nutildah]

Also, I'm going to go out on a whim and predict that the number one thing that "won't make sense"/complained about, is the lack of information displayed on the site being used to determine the score, %ranking of active users, areas of improvement.

If I gave away the exact formula it would make the system easier to game. I provided hints in the OP and throughout the thread, and they're also found in the score messages. Ideally, those looking to game the system will game themselves into being better, more thoughtful posters.

There are a handful of highly respected community members and staff who know whats involved in the score calculation, and I'd like to keep it that way, for now.

[libert19]

Please report any bugs you might find. Thank you.

Think you meant 'quick succession' here: https://talkimg.com/image/Uh54Zg

[TypoTonic]

So how on earth can we keep our accounts running as there is no clear instructions ? Its just the will of OP and his friends to keep banning our accounts without any reasons.

It's true that multiple accounts are allowed, but joining them all in campaigns often just lead to spam and abuse. Users like you have been milking the forum for years, and a clean up like this has been long overdue.

IT WILL BE STUPID TO SIGBAN A USER BECAUSE THEY MAKE POSTS SOLELY TO COMPLETE SIGNATURES CAMPAIGN QUOTA AND EARN

Anyone is free to come here with the sole purpose of making money, the forum allows that. But keep in mind that being able to join signature campaigns is not a right, it is a privilege meant to reward users for quality contributions. If being part of a campaign only leads them to produce more noise than signal, then they shouldn't have access to that privilege.

Non-sigbanned members are of course also welcome to look their scores up, and encouraged if they feel their posts might need some improvement.

On a side note, this could also be useful for campaign managers. Since there are currently a lot of campaigns with vacant spots, they'd probably want to check first if the applicants are at risk of getting sig banned.

-- Edit --

you must be very stupid for not reading OP before making this comment. You are one of those who make comments just to fulfill signature campaign quota but those hypocrites won't see it that way because they believe you are a shitposter troll just like Satofan44

- Posting in principle for signature campaign payment and not for the sake of contributing actual discussion.

It's funny you say that, when it has been 5 weeks that I haven't reached the minimum quota in my current campaign. Here's the spreadsheet, feel free to check.

Users enroll in a campaign because they want to earn, there's no problem with that as long as you do it in good-faith. Let's look at the participants of Duelbits campaign for example, they have quality posters like d5000, nc50lc, ABCbits, and many more who deserves to get paid. What causes the problem are users like you who write generic shitposts, trying to milk campaigns with the least amount of effort using multiple accounts.

[Revolution2025]

Non-sigbanned members are of course also welcome to look their scores up, and encouraged if they feel their posts might need some improvement.

it is a good idea since you want people to improve their posts, better than when you outrightly sigbanned accounts without giving them a chance to improve. it doesn't still change the fact that you are a hypocrite

IT WILL BE STUPID TO SIGBAN A USER BECAUSE THEY MAKE POSTS SOLELY TO COMPLETE SIGNATURES CAMPAIGN QUOTA AND EARN

Anyone is free to come here with the sole purpose of making money, the forum allows that. But keep in mind that being able to join signature campaigns is not a right, it is a privilege meant to reward users for quality contributions. If being part of a campaign only leads them to produce more noise than signal, then they shouldn't have access to that privilege.

you must be very stupid for not reading OP before making this comment. You are one of those who make comments just to fulfill signature campaign quota but those hypocrites won't see it that way because they believe you are a shitposter troll just like Satofan44

- Posting in principle for signature campaign payment and not for the sake of contributing actual discussion.

[Xiestar]

Great tool nutildah

Looks like I'm safe for now.

Also please don't post screenshots of your scores here, thanks, unless you got a sigban and you really want to.

This proves that scoring is not accurate. Simple reading comprehension is zero yet you’re elite poster?  

[MisFoxie]

Great tool nutildah

Looks like I'm safe for now.

Also please don't post screenshots of your scores here, thanks, unless you got a sigban and you really want to.

This proves that scoring is not accurate. Simple reading comprehension is zero yet you’re elite poster?  

Looks like my post count isn't enough to get a correct evaluation. Who knows maybe I will get sigban. I don't think the tool is incorrect. Maybe your main got a garbage score