Concerns regarding JollyGood and nutildah

[Numan467]

​Hello everyone,

​I am aware that I am a relatively new member here and that many might side against me, but I kindly ask the community to look at the facts neutrally.

​The situation began when I quoted nutildah in a thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5589786.msg67004276#msg67004276

​In the following post, nutildah claimed my response was generated by Grok:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5589786.msg67004937#msg67004937

​He also stated:

Have fun trying to rank up this account.

​Later, while browsing the Wall Observer (WO) thread (which I didn't even know stood for "Wall Observer" at the time), nutildah posted this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg67018502#msg67018502

​When Heuristic awarded merits neutrally, nutildah followed up here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg67018867#msg67018867

​He then made another post targeting me:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg67019683#msg67019683

​I replied to explain my stance:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg67020010#msg67020010

​However, he created another post against me:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg67021747#msg67021747

​To which I responded again:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg67022526#msg67022526

I am clearly inviting everyone check my post history. Check if these are written by AI.

He just gave me a neutral tag without even listening to me. Isn't this a misuse of power? I came to know in WO that he has the power to issue signature bans. I am not saying he is using it incorrectly, but if he is using it for his personal ego, will this be good for the forum?

​
​Regarding JollyGood, he created a thread about my account here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5590543.msg67016825#msg67016825

​I provided a detailed response explaining my activity gap and work routine:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5590543.msg67017115#msg67017115

​In response, JollyGood stated:

Once again, it has to be noted the level of English has improved from your initial posts. As for the content of your post, that is what I expected from you.
​I am not surprised you are trying to insult our intelligence, you are being dishonest because your goal is to build up the Numan467 account in order to monetise it via signature campaigns. If you know how to earn merits in WO then you definitely know how to enroll in signature campaigns.
​Anyway, I read the exchange between you and nutildah therefore I will give you some advice and you should take note as it will save you a lot of time.
​You may have noticed nutildah has given you a neutral tag referring to your AI posts. On that basis alone you will not be able to enroll in campaigns. As this defeats the object of your modus operandi, you are wasting your time with your Numan467 account.
​You can spend the next several months trying to reach 100 merits in the hope of joining a campaign as a Full Member but as soon as that happens you will probably receive a signature ban. When that happens you will think back to this post and recall that your greed took over your common sense as I advised you to stop wasting your time.
​Forget this Numan467 account and focus on your other accounts without trying to get them noticed otherwise they will also receive tags.

​He is assuming I operate multiple accounts, which is false. Registering an account in 2023 and returning after a break due to work commitments should not automatically mark someone as an account farmer. I have provided honest explanations, yet I am still being treated with suspicion.


I hope you all will see it neutrally.

I don't know if this is right or wrong, but I am inviting @theymos, @JayJuanGee, and other senior members to check if I am actually in the wrong.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I am clearly inviting everyone check my post history. Check if these are written by AI.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5590347.msg67012699#msg67012699

Detected as AI, with signs of humanization.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5589559.msg66983572#msg66983572

Detected as AI, with signs of humanization.



Everything points to you being an account farmer and the way you blatantly lie when you are caught makes me think you are an alt of CryptoYar, like people are suspecting.

[ryzaadit]

​In the following post, nutildah claimed my response was generated by Grok:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5589786.msg67004937#msg67004937

Even I still think these could be generated by AI by looking at the post and without using an AI checker. The reason one single character is being used in your post:

Code:

— (em dash)

unanswered — who owns the machine?

These characters are mostly being used by AI for generated answers. Do you know, what's the command you need to use for using these character ? You need to put command:
Alt + 0151 for Windows and not just a number but you must use the numeric keypad to use these character.

I have ROG GL503GE. I have number on the top and right of my keyboard, to use these character needed to activated NumLink then put command ALT + 0151. Why bother to use — (em dash) why you not just use a normal strip ( - ) on the right number 0.

You're not writing an article, so why needed to use a hard character are needed command to be used while actually you have a simple one ( - ) strip by just a single click for making a post response only.

[LoyceV]

If chatbot spammers are concerned about you, you're doing something right

Detected as AI, with signs of humanization.

Now OP is concerned about you too

[PostQuantumBTC]

I saw two things on the image of FinneysTrueVision which are posts belonging to Numan467, the two things can let me think Numan467 posts are AI written which can let me make further investigation.

I do not like some people that will be doing something and denying that they do not do it. If you like you should change or continue to argue like you did not use AI.

You woke up from long period of inactivity to start using AI to post.

[Numan467]

Detected as AI, with signs of humanization.
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Everything points to you being an account farmer and the way you blatantly lie when you are caught makes me think you are an alt of CryptoYar, like people are suspecting.

Regarding the Pangram screenshots:

As I have explained many times I use grammar checkers to refine my English since it is not my native language. These tools restructure sentences to sound formal, which third party AI detectors routinely flag as "AI generated" or "humanized AI." And cherry picking a specific AI detector simply because it fits a narrative to prove someone wrong is unfair.

Linking me to CryptoYar just because of a couple of short AI detector scans is a huge stretch. You are trying to connect me to a completely different user without any real proof.

I have zero intention of dishonest posting or farming. I will continue posting naturally in my own voice sometimes using grammar polishers.

[JollyGood]

​Hello everyone,

After the OP both was advised and became aware that nutildah can apply signature bans, he created this thread as a response.

I see this thread as being akin to the OPs final stand. He will clearly never be allowed to participate in signature campaigns therefore is now using this thread as his tool for trying to cause problems between the members that have given him neutral tags and other forum members.

Apart from the AI posts, when comparing the content of his recent posts alongside his initial posts there is no way they are written by the same person.

Just as with the CryptoYar account, this Numan467 account also stated they are posting to contribute to the community. Well, if that is the case they should continue with their activity in the forum regardless of how many members distrust and tag them.

In the case of CryptoYar, he stopped posting because his account received negative tags and he will never be allowed to participate in a signature campaign again. Also, he cheated his way to win $1500 in the Pizza competition and has been connected to "Publictalk792", "Rustam Meraj" and "ThemePen" accounts. The latter being a merit source.

I suspect the same will happen with the Numan467 account as he now knows no matter how hard he works to manipulate the system in order to receive 100 merits for Full Member rank, he will not be allowed to participate in signature campaigns.

As both CryptoYar and Numan467 cannot monetise their accounts, they have no interest in posting here after their manipulation/pleas of proclaiming innocence had zero effect on the community.

Over the past week, these members from the Pakistan board have left the forum as they are no longer posting:

CryptoYar (posts once a day in the Reputation board when he wants to proclaim his innocence)
Publictalk792
Rustam Meraj
ThemePen (merit source)

Now the Numan467 account will be added to that list.

I have zero intention of dishonest posting or farming. I will continue posting naturally in my own voice sometimes using grammar polishers.

As you ignored my advice I will make the following comment.

Keep on posting multiple times a day. Keeping posting in the WO and try to get that 100 merit number. If you eventually did make it to Full Member and applied to join a signature campaign, you will be wasting your time.

Having said that, it could be the perfect deterrent for other account farmers if you continue building up your account for several months in order to join a campaign and then receive a ban. I suppose that would be an apt punishment for you too. Rather than stop using this account now, you should continue using it in the mistaken belief that it will be spared from a ban because your ego cannot see what is coming.

[lovesmayfamilis]

As I have explained many times I use grammar checkers to refine my English since it is not my native language.

Now you're burying yourself. You have repeated several times that English is not your native language. So you're using a translator. Or do you use grammar correction tools? Then why does nutildah detect errors in your texts? Don't your tools do that? Or are you deliberately making misspelled texts so that the detectors can see that you are human?

Which translators do you use? There were similar cases here, but people were honest and did not run into their own truth but decided how to do better.

Similarly, all the talk about your accidental appearance on the forum, in particular about your love for the WO topic, is rather dubious. Those with whom your account wants to be compared strangely had the same likes to appear in the WO topic.

There are a lot of people here who no longer believe in such coincidences.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Regarding the Pangram screenshots:

As I have explained many times I use grammar checkers to refine my English since it is not my native language. These tools restructure sentences to sound formal, which third party AI detectors routinely flag as "AI generated" or "humanized AI." And cherry picking a specific AI detector simply because it fits a narrative to prove someone wrong is unfair.

Linking me to CryptoYar just because of a couple of short AI detector scans is a huge stretch. You are trying to connect me to a completely different user without any real proof.

I have zero intention of dishonest posting or farming. I will continue posting naturally in my own voice sometimes using grammar polishers.

I didn’t cherry pick to fit a narrative. I used Pangram because it is far more advanced than standard AI detectors. Basic grammar correction might only get detected as AI polished or mixed human+AI. The results on your posts is AI generated, not polished or mixed.

If a grammar checker is restructuring your posts, that is the same as using generative AI in a way that goes against the forum guidelines.

It's not OK to tell an AI, "Improve this text: <something you wrote>", since then it will mostly rewrite it, and it risks becoming AI slop in the process.

[Bitcoin-Forever]

Is this forum that difficult to understand?

Why must you make use of AI and still claim to be innocent? Is it not even better that you reference it by quoting the specific content related to AI, differentiating it from what you have to add as your own personal opinion when making a post?

Now you want to convince, or rather confuse yourself, after everything has been busted.

[xha-256]

​In the following post, nutildah claimed my response was generated by Grok:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5589786.msg67004937#msg67004937

Even I still think these could be generated by AI by looking at the post and without using an AI checker. The reason one single character is being used in your post:

Code:

— (em dash)

unanswered — who owns the machine?

These characters are mostly being used by AI for generated answers.

Plus the emoji and a bit too much of a formal text writing.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I use the emdash often — I dont have to do any alt code I just push the single dash twice. Sometimes I do it as a single sometimes as a double

[nutildah]

I use the emdash often — I dont have to do any alt code I just push the single dash twice. Sometimes I do it as a single sometimes as a double

That alone doesn't necessarily mean a post is AI-written but it more sufficiently proves AI use in cases where it was already fairly obvious. The detectors themselves don't account for the emdash.

You have repeated several times that English is not your native language. So you're using a translator. Or do you use grammar correction tools? Then why does nutildah detect errors in your texts? Don't your tools do that? Or are you deliberately making misspelled texts so that the detectors can see that you are human?

Assuming he's not already banned, I too would like answers to these questions.