Do institutional buying and selling really change anything

[Popkon6]

Do not worry, they will still buy bitcoin again. They are Treasury holder, you should expect this to happen.

Since the company started this STRC, I know this will happen. We are going to later know Strategy plan, but I think they have long term plan for bitcoin buying.

The amount sold is big, but it is small to their total bitcoin holding.

They definitely have a plan, we will find out later, I guess they might create panic in the market and if the price of Bitcoin is low they will take the opportunity to buy Bitcoin at a low price. They have a huge amount of Bitcoin reserves where they are selling a small amount of Bitcoin but this is to distribute the dividends of these shares of STRC.
Because this is the strategy of the big whale holders they will create panic in the market and later buy Bitcoin in larger quantities which is why they are hoarding cash.

[danherbias07]

Dude may just need some dollars.

Kidding aside, I think it's liquidation. I don't know what "change anything" means, but I think it will move the market. But it will not collapse. It's part of their proof of concept, and it was approved by their executive leaders.
The only problem here is that they said on their initial investment that they are going to "buy and hold". Of course, that is only a marketing strategy and to keep the investors from coming in, making the value of Bitcoin stronger. It's actually successful, and they are reaping the rewards.

[DiMarxist]

Do not worry, they will still buy bitcoin again. They are Treasury holder, you should expect this to happen.

Since the company started this STRC, I know this will happen. We are going to later know Strategy plan, but I think they have long term plan for bitcoin buying.

The amount sold is big, but it is small to their total bitcoin holding.

No body should Panic over these types of News because, strategy has made it clear that they will be selling off some of their holdings. Strategy is a company that is open to the public the last time I checked. And has to give dividends to investors hence the reason for these types of moves which has to be done for the sake of saving the company unnecessary dept.

Strategy has made it clear since, and we are just seeing them sell now. As a big whale that strategy is the most important part of these types of moves is not about selling but, the aftermath effect of large sale because prices is expected to drop after moves like this from companies like strategy.

I think that institutional buying and selling has come to influence the market depending on what the company is doing whether they are buying or selling. If a whale dumps large amounts of Bitcoin price is surely going to be affected because, there is going to be a drop of price.

[I_Anime]

Don't you see that Microstrategy is into business and did you think that he will buy all those large quantities of Bitcoin without selling a dime till infinity. Nah! He invested as a normal retailer will do irrespective of his level of aggressiveness. Selling small portion of Strategy bitcoin wouldn't affect the company at all. This will only affects the market in a short term and the price will definitely bounce up again.

This is why one have to be psychologically prepared before going to investing in bitcoin, Strategy selling some portion from their bitcoin stash doesn't completely affect the market , what will do is the folks that will also panic to sell , that’s why one has to be psychologically ready for the market before going in . Bitcoin value is being determined by the forces of demand and supply , so when folks start to sell the supply will increase due to demand reduction , so yeah it will affect the market some kind of way but it will be for a shortterm and I’m strategy will buy more as time goes .

[Odusko]

Don't you see that Microstrategy is into business and did you think that he will buy all those large quantities of Bitcoin without selling a dime till infinity. Nah! He invested as a normal retailer will do irrespective of his level of aggressiveness. Selling small portion of Strategy bitcoin wouldn't affect the company at all. This will only affects the market in a short term and the price will definitely bounce up again.

This is why one have to be psychologically prepared before going to investing in bitcoin, Strategy selling some portion from their bitcoin stash doesn't completely affect the market , what will do is the folks that will also panic to sell , that’s why one has to be psychologically ready for the market before going in . Bitcoin value is being determined by the forces of demand and supply , so when folks start to sell the supply will increase due to demand reduction , so yeah it will affect the market some kind of way but it will be for a shortterm and I’m strategy will buy more as time goes .

Micro Strategy have indeed done well in terms of large bitcoin accumulations and as a financial institution, their know how to apply both the risk and advantages that comes with various phases of the market, and taking action along that line.
But what is there right now is that if you compared their accumulation level and sells level you will discover that micro Strategy have shifted focus from accumulation of bitcoin and now looking at other aspects of investment like AI development and the rest of the newer projects.

[Samlucky O]

but does it really change anything in terms of bitcoin market price reactions both in the long term or short term basis.

Micro strategy selling some portion of their Bitcoin will doesn't change anything in the market, Bitcoin has grown to extent where selling of that portion does not affect the market again. It will only make a headline and case panic to some plebs but trust me that amount doesn't shake the market a bit. And moreover people already know them for doing that, they will soon buy back again so what's The need to worry about. If somehow it's going to affect the market then it should be just for short term and nothing more.

[Asiska02]

Don't you see that Microstrategy is into business and did you think that he will buy all those large quantities of Bitcoin without selling a dime till infinity. Nah! He invested as a normal retailer will do irrespective of his level of aggressiveness. Selling small portion of Strategy bitcoin wouldn't affect the company at all. This will only affects the market in a short term and the price will definitely bounce up again.

Institutional buying and selling always affects the market and that is why Microstrategy is taking full advantage of that. For every time they announce of a sell of their assets, no matter how little they’re going to sell, the market always show the effect and we see a sudden price drop even though the market doesn’t stay long trading at a lower price after the sell.

Microstrategy after that then buy more bitcoin for a lower price and accumulate more quantity than what was sold off before, this then boosts the price of the market more as the effect is shown again when market react to the huge buying of bitcoin from them again. Everything now looks like a plan idea as he continues to repeat same thing again, not the first or second time.

[rbynxx]

The only thing that will surely get attention are the critics behind Michael or Strategy I guess but I think the market will just absorb it.

But there are so many people selling right now; it is not just Microstrategy, it is not just Saylor, the entire market is selling, the price is crashing. We have gone from 125k to even under 60k, and that means there are so many people selling, from regular small time poor retail investors to big blackrock level of investors; they all sold during this period, so it is really making no sense to me that it is just Microstrategy that is getting all this much hate for it.

Because everyone wants someone to blame and Microstrategy is a perfect target considering Saylor said so that he'll be bullish and won't sell. Easy to blame that they just sold 0.2% of their holdings and people are already talking. I don't think they will care though, they'll probably just let the market talk while also make another move. People need to realize whoever holds what they own has the right to also sell, whatever or whenever they feel like it.

[Barikui1]

No, institution buying and selling do not changes anything even though they are mostly large holders.
Their immediate actions may have a positive or negative effect on the market at a particular point in time, but on the longer run It would not because Bitcoin has gone past that level where it price can be easily manipulated by a whale or a group of investors.

The sale that micro strategy did has little effects on the value of Bitcoin, but I am confident that Bitcoin will recover in no distance time, it's only but a matter of time before that happens.

[Alpha Marine]

The fact that one or two incidents did not affect the market doesn't mean it doesn't have any effect. One thing you have to consider is that people don't get moved by this kind of news like they did in the past. Now, people have a better understanding of Bitcoin, and they don't panic-sell their Bitcoin whenever there is news and rumours like this. This is not the first time that there has been news about strategy. There has been other news, yet nothing has happened in the market. If other institutional investors also started selling, then it would be significant enough to cause a change in the market.
Bitcoin is big; a couple hundred million will not necessarily cause any change in the market. 

[$crypto$]

Not only is this MicroStrategy selling its bitcoin but what is happening with the market there is no reaction whatsoever right? The drop below 5% was still reasonable due to market volatility, anyways Saylor and his company will not sell in the global market will not affect liquidity now.

No need to panic --- since he said he would not sell his bitcoin, and now he has sold it several times, so there is no consistent institution and do not be too influential on this kind of news.

[Die_empty]

The fact that one or two incidents did not affect the market doesn't mean it doesn't have any effect. One thing you have to consider is that people don't get moved by this kind of news like they did in the past. Now, people have a better understanding of Bitcoin, and they don't panic-sell their Bitcoin whenever there is news and rumours like this. This is not the first time that there has been news about strategy. There has been other news, yet nothing has happened in the market. If other institutional investors also started selling, then it would be significant enough to cause a change in the market.
Bitcoin is big; a couple hundred million will not necessarily cause any change in the market. 

For every seller, a buyer is willing to accept a product at a given price. The price of Bitcoin is determined by the forces of demand and supply. The price of Bitcoin didn't react massively to the dumps by Strategy because there is also high demand. In addition, I think the market has gotten used to Strategy dumping because the company had already stated that they might keep selling in the future. Bitcoin has really performed above my expectations, as I had expected that the conflict in the Middle East would have had a more adverse influence on the price.

[Pandu Geddon]

The fact that one or two incidents did not affect the market doesn't mean it doesn't have any effect. One thing you have to consider is that people don't get moved by this kind of news like they did in the past. Now, people have a better understanding of Bitcoin, and they don't panic-sell their Bitcoin whenever there is news and rumours like this. This is not the first time that there has been news about strategy. There has been other news, yet nothing has happened in the market. If other institutional investors also started selling, then it would be significant enough to cause a change in the market.
Bitcoin is big; a couple hundred million will not necessarily cause any change in the market. 

But the amount is quite large anyway. And certainly moving assets from a wallet that has been inactive for a long time period to an exchange address or certain addresses is bound to trigger lots of speculation in the market. But I agree with you that people holding Bitcoin now are unlikely to panic about news like that. The point is that it could still move markets if the volume being sold is big enough.

[GeorgeJohn]

This kind of news will put some investors into panic, why it's not necessary to emulate people who is selling now...We should also asked ourselves how much were bitcoin when they hold first figures of bitcoin they hold...I know this news will put tension in some investors, but the truth is that they will still buy more after selling....Based on what you posted, it still have bitcoin remaining on his custody, if I'm not mistaken, let us not be afraid because of holders selling their Bitcoin...Remember that people that is buying from them is going to hold for the future.. Based on my understanding, every investors have the right to sell their investment anytime they like, so based on your subject caution, there's no changes in buying and selling especially when you have a target or durability...

[aoluain]

~snip~
To conclude, in response to the question of whether institutional trades influence the market, my answer is yes—but for the worse for us. Bitcoin has become “Wall Street-ized,” and it’s going through the same thing that happened with gold back in the day: the price isn’t determined purely by the supply and demand of actual Bitcoin.

Since I joined this forum I remember people discussing when "they" would get involved in the Bitcoin story - and now that they have, many people don't understand why 1 BTC isn't still worth at least $1 million. For me, it was something inevitable, not something bad in general - because if I bought coins for $200, and they buy for several hundred times the price, it is not at all disputed who is stupid in that story.

Of course, they use everything possible to make as much profit as possible, and the market has no mercy for the weak and inexperienced - regardless of whether it is gold or Bitcoin.

Absolutely, there were plenty of discussions about institutional money entering the Bitcoin space, there was even
questions about when Amazon might add Bitcoin payments as a purchasing option. There was/are a lot of people
who believe "Bitcoin" needs these vulture investors in order to move forward/survive/increase in value?

Truth is they couldnt care less about the Bitcoin idea, they really care about the Bitcoin market and what profits
they make.

Do institutional buying and selling really change anything

I have said this many times - Bitcoin ^{and the market} are bigger than any one person, or group,
or business. The markets react short term but long term MS' sell off will just become part of history.

Another news alart that micro Strategy are selling some large amounts of their bitcoin holdings, this can make mainstream headlines news, but does it really change anything in terms of bitcoin market price reactions both in the long term or short term basis.
 https://x.com/i/status/2086785757620945349

There are two very important indicators/numbers in that X screenshot, a very big one and a small one but
there seems to be more focus on the small one . . .

1690

840447

[Comeacross]

Another news alart that micro Strategy are selling some large amounts of their bitcoin holdings, this can make mainstream headlines news, but does it really change anything in terms of bitcoin market price reactions both in the long term or short term basis.
 https://x.com/i/status/2086785757620945349

The quantity sold is big but it's not a large amount of their holdings. The amount sold is not even up to 1% of what they are holding. It actually does not change anything but if we are talking about the price, it will show effect but not as much as people usually assumed when they hear about institutions selling parts of their holdings. The institutional buy and sell is not what actually affects the market but what triggers their action to buy or sell is what mostly matters. Whatever their reason for selling is, we'll forget about it in few weeks to come.

[Marykeller]

Don't you see that Microstrategy is into business and did you think that he will buy all those large quantities of Bitcoin without selling a dime till infinity. Nah! He invested as a normal retailer will do irrespective of his level of aggressiveness. Selling small portion of Strategy bitcoin wouldn't affect the company at all. This will only affects the market in a short term and the price will definitely bounce up again.

Institutional buying and selling always affects the market and that is why Microstrategy is taking full advantage of that. For every time they announce of a sell of their assets, no matter how little they’re going to sell, the market always show the effect and we see a sudden price drop even though the market doesn’t stay long trading at a lower price after the sell.

Microstrategy after that then buy more bitcoin for a lower price and accumulate more quantity than what was sold off before, this then boosts the price of the market more as the effect is shown again when market react to the huge buying of bitcoin from them again. Everything now looks like a plan idea as he continues to repeat same thing again, not the first or second time.

This is actually their fourth time selling their own Bitcoin since they started their journey of accumulating Bitcoin in 2020.

We can't say whether this will be their last time selling or not, as they are beginning to make it clear to us each time that they are in the business of buying and selling at any time.

Let's watch out for how the market will continue to react to their more sells and buys of Bitcoin soon.

The sells of Strategy below

1. June 29–30: 1,363 BTC
2. July 1–5: 2,225 BTC
3. July 27–August 2: 1,638 BTC
4. August 3–9: 1,690 BTC

[hyudien]

This is actually their fourth time selling their own Bitcoin since they started their journey of accumulating Bitcoin in 2020.

We can't say whether this will be their last time selling or not, as they are beginning to make it clear to us each time that they are in the business of buying and selling at any time.

Let's watch out for how the market will continue to react to their more sells and buys of Bitcoin soon.

Like a businessman in general, what Microstrategy does is a reasonable step by selling some of its holdings, and I'm pretty sure they won't stop selling, we'll just wait, but they still keep a lot of bitcoin, the amount they sell is only 0.82% of the total bitcoin they have, its influence on the market will only have an impact in the short term.

[lodocus]

From time to time, events occur that have an impact on Bitcoin. There was a time when even Elon Musk’s tweets were affecting Bitcoin’s price. But I think Bitcoin is getting used to this and developing a sort of immunity to it all. When institutional investors entered the scene, their every move used to send Bitcoin’s price swinging up and down, but right now, almost no one cares what they do. They can never affect the price in the long run.

[LUCKMCFLY]

They definitely have a plan, we will find out later, I guess they might create panic in the market and if the price of Bitcoin is low they will take the opportunity to buy Bitcoin at a low price. They have a huge amount of Bitcoin reserves where they are selling a small amount of Bitcoin but this is to distribute the dividends of these shares of STRC.
Because this is the strategy of the big whale holders they will create panic in the market and later buy Bitcoin in larger quantities which is why they are hoarding cash.

Undoubtedly, the large institutions that buy and sell BTC do manage to have a significant impact on the market. The reason is simple: emotions cause the market to rise or fall rapidly because, ultimately, those who trade are human.Major news events also have a significant impact; in fact, the geopolitical problem is a good example, as are the wars, which are currently somewhat calm.

When Michael Saylor sold BTC, it had a considerable impact, as many began selling out of panic. Many do what whales do: if whales buy, they buy; if whales sell, they sell. Perhaps that's why they have such a powerful impact on a global scale.