Passing KYC verification upfront would have solved this

[viljy]

There are three options here. If you’re going to gamble with large sums, ask the casino for KYC before making a deposit, unless it’s explicitly offered. Another option is not to gamble with large sums anonymously. The third option is to use a decentralized prediction market for any amount.

Of course, we’re probably looking at a situation where the gambler isn’t planning to verify their identity and is gambling on small amounts, when suddenly they win a jackpot. Well, winning is half the battle; the other half is withdrawing the money. And if no steps have been taken in advance, then, alas, you can only count on the casino’s leniency.

After all, the casino operates in accordance with the TOS. And it may state that KYC is not mandatory, but is required at the casino’s discretion. It may also state that local laws prohibiting gambling must be complied with. So, for citizens of such countries, there are only two options: to play gambling games with small amounts or to move to a decentralized prediction market. And if the casino refused to pay out your jackpot, then thank your government, which has banned gambling. And in the elections, you can vote for someone else/others...

[Filicius]

If all platforms would have a forced KYC for all players this would be clearly expensive.

Do you mean that forcing KYC upfront would be an entry barrier that would scare away many new users and would have an impact on the casino's turnover? It seems to me that some users focus on the casino's lust for gain when they don't ask you for KYC until it is "too late", but if the impact of upfront KYC on conversion is so great, perhaps it is not so much a matter of bad faith as some think, but a way to protect themselves by maintaining competitiveness.

[bakasabo]

Why can't online casinos allows their customers to pass KYC verification before they start gambling?
It looks like a perfect excuse for them to restrict you from withdrawal.

Since casinos can ban user without giving much of a details why they have chosen to act like that, passing KYC in advance does not look like a way to prevent restriction of withdrawal. KYC does not prevent casino from freezing withdrawal because user is under investigation. Casino can restrict withdrawal because all of a sudden, address users used to deposit multiple times, became suspicious. In that case successfully passed KYC does not help at all.

[iv4n]

Let's be honest.

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Why can't online casinos allows their customers to pass KYC verification before they start gambling?
It looks like a perfect excuse for them to restrict you from withdrawal.

As some members already answered, we can pass KYC right after registration... but if we are honest, many of us don't really like KYC, for all sorts of reasons.

KYC will always be a hot topic... People want licenses & regulations, but that leads to stricter rules for us players. Many casinos advertise like "no KYC", but in reality all of them have some rules about it, and the most interesting part is they can ask us for verification whenever they want, for any reason they think of...

In any case, if some player thinks he can't pass KYC for any reason, he should avoid that place. I don't like to read the ToS, but I do it anyway for safety, or I ask support if I am confused about something. After all, it's your money at stake, so do some research before you deposit & start playing. Good luck.

[DabsPoorVersion]

Let's be honest.

Casinos are getting away with people not been able to pass their KYC information after they won some money.
It's like some of them are intentionally using this against gamblers.

You won't know how friendly your favourite online casino is until you won some good amount of money.
Someone I knew had the same experience recently and it got me wondering why..

Why can't online casinos allows their customers to pass KYC verification before they start gambling?
It looks like a perfect excuse for them to restrict you from withdrawal.

The question here is not for the online casinos to require their users to undergo KYC verification at the very beginning, it's all about the reason why users most of the time overlook this kind of important information in the first place. Terms and Conditions can be available during the registration, and if ever that it is not available during the sign up confirmation, all users can look for it before making a deposit and start to play.

Also, another reason why online casinos do not require KYC upfront is because if ever that new users will be required to submit their documents before they can even explore the casino, it might create a lot of friction. It's can also be a possible reason for the new users to be discourage who do not want to provide their personal information immediately.

[Alex077]

Let's be honest.

Casinos are getting away with people not been able to pass their KYC information after they won some money.
It's like some of them are intentionally using this against gamblers...

I think KYC verification itself before withdrawing a large amount is completely understandable - casinos have to comply with AML requirements and verify the customer’s identity. The problem starts when a casino allows someone to register, deposit money, and play for months without any restrictions, but suddenly remembers about serious document verification only after the player wins a large amount.

So I think giving players the option to voluntarily complete KYC right after registration would be a good sign for any casino. It wouldn’t rule out additional AML checks in the future, but at least the casino wouldn’t be able to use basic identity verification as an unexpected obstacle only after the player wins a large amount.

[Charcol]

If an online casino allows players to deposit money, play, and have no problem losing, but suddenly asks for KYC when they want to withdraw after winning, then that is quite suspicious from the player's perspective. Most online casinos provide the opportunity to do KYC verification before depositing money or before playing. The problem is that for players like us, some players ignore KYC verification and just focus on playing. I know most online casinos that allow KYC verification first. But if the player wants to do it later, there is an option to ignore it. In my opinion, if you have registered with an online casino, then you should do KYC verification right away. So that later, after winning a big sum, the institution does not freeze your money.

However, in many cases, the main problem is that casinos do not clearly state these rules at the beginning. Then we think we are playing safely, but in the end, the real trouble starts when we withdraw.

[Odohu]

If you pay close attention, you will notice that there is a growing trend of casinos using no-KYC to market their platform even when they will require KYC over something as little as consistent winning. It is only few casinos that I know will not asl for KYC if you are not breaking their rules, although they may have a limit of the amount user can withdraw withiut KYC. Anyone who is aiming to win big should just consider performing the KYC ahead of time, this saves everyone the stress and since its obvious that caisnos will always request for KYC.

[bitbollo]

If all platforms would have a forced KYC for all players this would be clearly expensive.

Please what did you mean by it will be clearly expensive if all gambling platforms forced KYC? Did you mean they can not be able to do it? Why are they gambling sites if they are unable to do something like that.

Also this not expected by the most of players that like to use crypto. In any case with gambling its much easier to follow the ToS and local rules.

I will not like it but KYC gambling sites have most customers. There are many people that still do not like KYC gambling sites because they want anonymity.

Handling documents in a compliant way for this kind of activity would have an extracost due staff and everything else required.
It's not anymore to check few users, but image to check documents from all the world, not in english and so on...including fake, AI etc etc.
This requires enourmous resources to be standardized, probably it's much better (and proitable) to have a "risk approach based"...

[Hatchy]

Why can't online casinos allows their customers to pass KYC verification before they start gambling?
It looks like a perfect excuse for them to restrict you from withdrawal.

Except for casinos that claim to be strictly non KYC but later turn out to have hidden KYC requirements, you can usually find the KYC option somewhere in your account. Most of the time, we ignore it because KYC isn't compulsory or necessary during the early stages of playing at the casino. But it's true that some casinos are increasingly using KYC to delay or reject users' withdrawals. They may not ask for your documents until you've made a significant amount of profit. When that happens, things can become very difficult. Some players even discover at this point that their KYC documents are not accepted because gambling is restricted for people from their country..It's a really frustrating experience for many gamblers..

[goldkingcoiner]

Why can't online casinos allows their customers to pass KYC verification before they start gambling?

That's just a matter of time. Throughout the EU, if you sign up for a casino, you first have to complete the full KYC process before you can deposit or bet anything. It will take some time with cryptocurrency casinos, but I'm sure it will eventually become the norm there as well.

It looks like a perfect excuse for them to restrict you from withdrawal.

Yes, it looks like it but we can't be sure that all casinos act in bad faith in this regard.

I completely agree.

Also, people should not be giving their government-issued documents and privacy data to just anyone with a website, lest they risk some "incognito" parties getting their hands on them. All KYC should be more private.

Although perhaps that is more of an opinion I tend towards. I cannot really speak for anyone else.

[angrybirdy]

If you pay close attention, you will notice that there is a growing trend of casinos using no-KYC to market their platform even when they will require KYC over something as little as consistent winning. It is only few casinos that I know will not asl for KYC if you are not breaking their rules, although they may have a limit of the amount user can withdraw withiut KYC. Anyone who is aiming to win big should just consider performing the KYC ahead of time, this saves everyone the stress and since its obvious that caisnos will always request for KYC.

yeah right, that's true. There are a lot of online casino gambling sites that usually not required a KYC upon registration, which is usually where those prticipants prefer to go because some of them just want to register and enjoy the experiences of the specific gambling site without the hassle that comes from KYC. However, once you experience winning, especially a large amount, they will surely ask you to complete a KYC for anti monehy laundering purposes...that should also be clearly indicated in their Terms & Conditions though... knowing some people, they don't really read a casino's T&Cs, so once they experience this, they can be shocked and feel caught off guard.

[TheUltraElite]

Casinos want more people to join in and deposit their money.

If the initial barrier to entry is not kept low then the number of users signing up and depositing on that casino would start receding. Hence they dont put up the KYC banner and collect documents at the start but they do make you click the ToS and if you go inside that document you will eventually find thw clause related to huge wins and associated KYC checking.

Therefore the casino is not doing anything wrong. They are utilizing the human emotion of missing out to their advanatage.

[HelliumZ]

I will basically blame the customers because after making an account, customers should definitely check whether KYC is required or not when withdrawing. We make large deposits after making an account and if we get large profits after making that deposit, then KYC verification is mandatory there. This is basically our mistake because KYC was originally mandatory on that casino site but we made the deposit without verifying it. Therefore, you should not create an account in all the casinos where KYC is mandatory and use those where KYC is not mandatory.

[yahoo62278]

I will basically blame the customers because after making an account, customers should definitely check whether KYC is required or not when withdrawing. We make large deposits after making an account and if we get large profits after making that deposit, then KYC verification is mandatory there. This is basically our mistake because KYC was originally mandatory on that casino site but we made the deposit without verifying it. Therefore, you should not create an account in all the casinos where KYC is mandatory and use those where KYC is not mandatory.

Sometimes the sites make the kyc ridiculous though. Just giving a government ID, photo of ID, and pic of yourself should be enough, but they wanna get more invasive and ask prof of wealth or why you're using the platform. KYC is a tool to fuck players when it comes to this level.

So yes, players should find out ahead of time about kyc procedures, but sites should also be up front about the whole process, but they aren't.

[danherbias07]

Because there are still gamblers who don't like passing their KYC. Those are their targets.

To be honest, you are actually in a forum where many gamblers are still looking for a reputable casino that doesn't have KYC. You will see that question many times here. Like, maybe twice a month or more. Privacy. They want to keep that intact, and I don't blame them because of the many scams happening all over the internet. Once you pass the KYC, that means your information has a chance to be out there with someone, and if the online casino where you passed your KYC doesn't have a secure vault to keep that information, it will cause problems for the customers.

You see emails out of the blue. Letters. Text messages. Those are probably from sold accounts/information from the black market.

[panjul07]

Why can't online casinos allows their customers to pass KYC verification before they start gambling?
It looks like a perfect excuse for them to restrict you from withdrawal.

How it comes to your conclusion that online casinos do not allow players to pass KYC upfront?
Have you asked all available casinos in this online world and all of them said that they cant do it so you come with this conclusion?
Or it is because you see the fact that most casinos do not implement mandatory KYC?
However, asking KYC upon specific case like big withdrawal request is common practice these days and it does not mean that it is an excuse for casino to restrict withdrawal.
Only bad casinos will use KYC to restrict user's withdrawal request while reputable casinos ask KYC upon withdrawal as part of their policies/terms.

[Sanitough]

Why can't online casinos allows their customers to pass KYC verification before they start gambling?
It looks like a perfect excuse for them to restrict you from withdrawal.

That is their rule, so there is really nothing we can do about it. I think I read a complaint before about one of the casinos here where a user complained because the casino would not allow him to do KYC in advance.

I can understand the user though. He just wanted to make sure that if he wins big later, he would not have a problem withdrawing since he had already passed KYC.

But it seems that is simply how their system works. If you really want a casino where you can complete KYC first before playing, then better choose one that allows advance verification, like Stake.

[meser#]

In the early days, we could trade up to 2 BTC on many exchanges without KYC, but rules changed, and KYC became mandatory. Many exchanges no longer allow deposits without KYC.
Similarly, when casinos require KYC from the start, it boosts confidence in them.
Many casinos process payouts for small amounts without requiring KYC, but the real issue arises with large sums.
In those cases, a casino might come up with all sorts of excuses to avoid paying out. I believe casinos that withhold payments using KYC as a pretext should be named publicly.

[maydna]

If you choose the casino and feels they are right casino for you, you can start verification and sending your document. Casinos will let you pass your KYC so you will not get a problem in withdrawal. But you should be careful searching for the casino because it is not easy to find the right casino for personal.

Some casinos even request you to do KYC before you deposit. Only shady casinos will not allow you to completing your KYC and takes your win money. So that is why you must research first to find the casino.