Casino's VIP program benefit...(Just knew.)

[adultcrypto]

I know of many benefits of VIP program like the personalised service and great bonuses and several other rewards but I have not heard about this aspect of casinos sponsoring trips for their qualified VIP members. That means the condition may be very difficult to meet which is why it is not commonly advertised
 Can you mention a casino with such package ? I would love to know more details about it out of curiosity.

[Zlantann]

Before discussing the benefits of Casino VIP status, you would have to consider what it takes to get that level. Gamblers might have to be high rollers or put in money into the casino for them to get to that level. Casinos are businesses and would only engage in activities that will promote their services and increase profits.

The sponsored trips are from the profits the Casinos have made from these VIP users. All businesses offer special services to targeted customers who could bring in more profits. Therefore, I don't see personalized casino service as unethical. These high rollers a experinced gamblers, so I don’t think that they can be easily manipulated by enticing offers.

Attaining VIP status is optional; hence, there is no need for the government to regulate it. It's not by force but by choice.

[mak013]

Has anyone here experienced Casino junket or VIP casino trip before?
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Realistically, from what I already said above, the special account managers that are being assigned to VIP players could encourage some customers who are so vulnerable to start gambling compulsively, so I am thinking that a way to avoid it is by regulating the process.

First of all, what does VIP mean? Very Important Person. It usually means that the person spends huge amounts of money or has done something significant for the casino. In return, they get special treatment.
I think people often confuse a real VIP with a casino's VIP level. In my opinion, VIP levels were designed to make gamblers feel important and encourage them to spend more. But a real VIP is not something an ordinary gambler can become.
So, here's my take: VIP levels fuel gambling addiction, while VIP service is perfectly normal.

[uneng]

I know of many benefits of VIP program like the personalised service and great bonuses and several other rewards but I have not heard about this aspect of casinos sponsoring trips for their qualified VIP members. That means the condition may be very difficult to meet which is why it is not commonly advertised
 Can you mention a casino with such package ? I would love to know more details about it out of curiosity.

It must be for a select group of gamblers who are spending (and losing) millions of dollars to casinos. Therefore, the expense to sponsor the trips is justified that way. But of course, casinos are never going to spend more than they make through benefits for their customers. If they are spending few thousands in benefits, you can be assured they are profiting some hundreds of thousands in counterpart.

Anyway, what do those account managers or agents do? Is it like paying to have a personal best friend at any time of the day?

[Miles2006]

Both sides must be financially ready, when I mean both sides the casino and the player involve must be wealthy because attaining the VIP position shows the level of funds that have gone into the casino from the player account meanwhile the casino offer wins alongside a proper service otherwise no gambler will love to gamble where there’s no quality.
Offering a nice bonus or a special service like trip as mentioned is a form of reward, no hard feelings here or what ever a person chooses to think and do with this special offer is not a problem, the casino also want to retain their special customers so basically gambling frequent is part of the scheme but, the thought of growing an addict might be false. A lot of VIP gamblers enjoy all this benefits although a real huge amount of money must be involved while benefiting from the VIP offer.

[iv4n]

I saw those trip offers... there's nothing strange in that, just an interesting prize. Usually, casinos that offer trips, cars, or other "items" have a cash alternative. Basically, players who win a prize can take cash instead...

Realistically, from what I already said above, the special account managers that are being assigned to VIP players could encourage some customers who are so vulnerable to start gambling compulsively, so I am thinking that a way to avoid it is by regulating the process.

Well, their job is to build relationships, encourage you to play more, and keep you engaged... I'm not sure what kind of regulations you have in mind, but this is the job description. And how the hell can someone get to a high VIP level without crazy gambling? You are already a player, and you want all those "special bonuses" from your personal VIP manager... in many ways, you played for that!

[CryptoBuds]

Should personal account managers for VIP gamblers be regulated?

Regulation are already addressing such issue in some area.

You may be aware that in UK, check regarding affordability, gambling harm, vulnerability, identity and source of fund must be conducted before someone becomes VIP. Often, ongoing monitoring is also required.

Moreover, in UK, paying personal account managers commission and bonus based on customer's loss or spending also goes against guidelines. So, I am not actually in favor of completely banning personal account manager cause they are very useful. Instead, in my view, regulation should focus on their incentive and behavior.

[Findingnemo]

Should personal account managers for VIP gamblers be regulated?

Regulation are already addressing such issue in some area.

You may be aware that in UK, check regarding affordability, gambling harm, vulnerability, identity and source of fund must be conducted before someone becomes VIP. Often, ongoing monitoring is also required.

Moreover, in UK, paying personal account managers commission and bonus based on customer's loss or spending also goes against guidelines. So, I am not actually in favor of completely banning personal account manager cause they are very useful. Instead, in my view, regulation should focus on their incentive and behavior.

It is always possible to bypass such laws in the real world, if laws restrict having personal managers, then they will simply call them as personal assistant or any term that is allowed and it will take another few years to address then casinos will rename them again. It is harmless to anyone but government wants to project themselves as doing good for their people while burying real issues under the rug for too long.

[Nwada001]

It's purposely made so that you feel obligated to complete the missions and reach the level
I don't care, i find it boring
if i want to play i play otherwise i don't, if i reach the VIP level i don't care
It doesn't add to my enjoyment in my opinion.

Only those who don’t have self-control feel that obligation because I don’t see a need for someone to be tempted based on the type of offer they have been sending across to the player. Once you start feeling the urge to reach that level, you will leave responsible gambling behind and start chasing that VIP statue, which won’t even give them anything in return like they are targeting.

[Cantsay]

I have not seen any sponsored trip personally, and I also don't monitor the lifestyle of gamblers enough to know if they are being spondored or if they have anything like that in their timeline, but at the same time I don't think it is entirely impossible for them to do it because they are making tons of money and the reason they would do something like that would most likely be linked to "marketing", so if anything like this pops up on my page the first thought that would come to my head would be "marketing" to lure people to try to get the vvip rank so that they too can get a taste of that same treatment.

[gracreavix]

Casinos don't do charity. So them giving VIP treatment is for a very good reason. Either it's a tactic to make people want to gamble more or that person is their loyal customer and want them to increase their bets. So such treatments will give them a sense of belonging that the casino cares about me. It can still be called a form of manipulation of some sought. But as it stands businesses don't just do things anyhow. There's always an end game of what will benefit them even though it may seem like they are lavishing money.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

1. If the casinos are not going to benefit from such trip sponsorship, do you think they will even finance it? And for members on this forum that has experienced it, did you benefit or the casinos benefited more from you?

The casino don't need to benefit from such trip directly, because by virtue of you been a loyal and dedicated VIP member that gambles always on such casino, it is enough benefits to the casino when you loses more than you win. And one thing you need to understand is that such trip are not always given to random VIP members, but rather given to members who might have lost an amount that might have cost 10 times of that same trip. Because imagine if the trip cost $10,000, and the total amount you lost on the casino that month is around $150,000+. Hence, it means the casino can just decide to spend the $10,000 on your trip and still have profit of $140,000 lefts. So, its literally a business strategy.

2. Do you think personalized casino service is ethical meanwhile it's likely to encourage the player to gamble more?

Personalized assistance are only there to offer immediate and presidential treatment only, they don't force you to gamble more than your budgets. Because before an individual will be assigned a personalized assistant, then it obviously mean that individual must have been a high stake gambler already.

3. Do you agree that VIP programs ( which includes the special account manager) exploit high roller customers or not?

They do not exploit, but they rather assist these users in rendering gambling assistance, if in case they have an issue and needs the assistance of a support team. So these guys are here to help and not exploit.

4. Do you think casinos should be stopped from using those special account manager to target big players (likely the VIPs)?

I don't think so, because any individual that is able to gambler huge money on a casino deserves a presidential treatment. Which is exactly what these personalized assistance does.

[Bryan jessy]

I usually do see the VIP section in casinos and I have actually wondered if there are gamblers who really meet the requirements to fit that position, and I am sure for someone to get to this level he must have been in the game for long, you know for someone to be in the game for long to gain that title, trust me him had spent so much money over the years playing the game in that particular casino and the casino will do anything possible to maintain such customer by offering him special services which comes with lots of attractive benefits so others will be tempted to play and attain the VIP level as to be offered the special service that comes with cool benefits off course.

[bhadz]

I've heard about casino junkets in my country before but, this is only being used to scam people. What they offer is about the funding of the good gambler and just as how you have explained it. But then, this becomes an outlet of scamming and that's why I thought that this isn't real and it's just a reason for scammers to attract victims and believe that it is real. So, if this is really happening in some actual casinos then I think it's only about being the VIP and nothing that much about that, you become a big and high value gambler that needs to be treated well by the casino itself.

[Pandorak]

Casinos don't do charity. So them giving VIP treatment is for a very good reason. Either it's a tactic to make people want to gamble more or that person is their loyal customer and want them to increase their bets. So such treatments will give them a sense of belonging that the casino cares about me. It can still be called a form of manipulation of some sought. But as it stands businesses don't just do things anyhow. There's always an end game of what will benefit them even though it may seem like they are lavishing money.

That’s exactly right. To be honest, in all my years of gambling, i’ve never once been a VIP. It’s safe to say that only a handful of people can gain that access, undoubtedly the very wealthy, who are willing to risk such large sums of money just to gamble and who often end up losing it. In this case, if the casino goes so far as to sponsor a trip for certain VIP, Those people are undoubtedly the select few who have spent more money than anyone else, generating such huge profits for the casino that it has provided them with numerous benefits. After all, nothing in this world is free.

[Hispo]

1. If the casinos are not going to benefit from such trip sponsorship, do you think they will even finance it? And for members on this forum that has experienced it, did you benefit or the casinos benefited more from you?

2. Do you think personalized casino service is ethical meanwhile it's likely to encourage the player to gamble more?

3. Do you agree that VIP programs ( which includes the special account manager) exploit high roller customers or not?

4. Do you think casinos should be stopped from using those special account manager to target big players (likely the VIPs)?

5. Should personal account managers for VIP gamblers be regulated?

1. I believe casinos actually benefit from this trips being sponsored for their most valuable gamblers. Because it is some kind of advertisements for their own service/casino, so other gamblers with very big pockets will choose to gambler in that same place as well, with the hope of qualifying as well to receive those benefits. We must remember all movements made by casinos and bookies are well calculated so they increase their profit. Nothing is left unchecked when comes to promotions like that one.

2. I think it is ethical. Because gamblers can choose whether to go with it or not. Also it is not illegal.

3. I don't see as direct exploitation of high rollers. Though, it is true it does encourage high rollers to continue to gamble, which it is within the interested of the business.

4. No actually. I am sure there must be high rollers and VIP gamblers who actually like it.

5. Perhaps some clear rules would help. I am not sure how such a thing could be regulated.

[Silverstonez]

I don’t know any vip player,  but I know there are some benefits for being a vip player at a casino.  Also, I never knew vip players receives special treatments to this extent, as in casinos usually assign a special manager to VIP players and even sponsor their trips.  As for the few questions you asked I don’t know what to answer, because I no very little about how vip program works and I never personally experienced the special treatments that comes with being a VIP player.

[Joy- maker]

I have seen a VIP player before and I believe his still a VIP player till now.  There are times when the gambling platform they are VIP to flies them to a particular country for a vacation and they usually spend a week before returning back to their various countries.

Being a VIP player is better than being a regular player because there are a lot benefits attached to them,  however, to achieve that VIP status you have to be wealthy enough to be a high stakes player.

You can't be gambling with small amounts of money and expect a special treatment from the gambling platform,  I also overheard, although I don't know how true it is,  that whenever a VIP player is sick the gambling platform usually covers the person's hospital bills.

[sunsilk]

I don't actually know any VIP player that has experienced this casino Junket before (a trip organized and financed by casino) that's why I am asking here and I have more question about this VIP programs in casino that I'd like to get your opinion about.

I haven't encountered an actual VIP on a physical casino setup. But I think that there's really the VIP treatment that's given to them especially if they're raking and wagering millions.

A casino will them the treatment that they deserve and those organized trips are like an incentive to them. It's nothing compare to what they have lost to the casino.

So to give back and to give the premium feeling of being a VIP, it's part of the business that casino does to the VIPs that they have. I'm not surprised though if this is the kind of treatment given to them together with the incentives and there could be even more.

[Davidvictorson]

1. If the casinos are not going to benefit from such trip sponsorship, do you think they will even finance it? And for members on this forum that has experienced it, did you benefit or the casinos benefited more from you?

Trust me that "trip sponsorship" is not free. In one way or the other the VIP gambler has already paid for it unknowingly or will eventually pay for it. It is a business that exists to make money not a charity organization.

2. Do you think personalized casino service is ethical meanwhile it's likely to encourage the player to gamble more?

If it is not against the regulations and the VIP gamblers are not reporting harassment or any disturbance they, like they say all is fair in love and war.

3. Do you agree that VIP programs ( which includes the special account manager) exploit high roller customers or not?

It depends on how you choose to define exploit. Are they doing it against their will?

4. Do you think casinos should be stopped from using those special account manager to target big players (likely the VIPs)?

Once again if there is not regulation against it then they can use every legal method to increase their revenue stream.

5. Should personal account managers for VIP gamblers be regulated?

I don't know, I am yet to see any article written against it.