The robotization of China’s economy - a time bomb or a lifeline?

[WillyAp]

many experts are predicting that the future will be one where you will do absolutely nothing while AI and robots take care of everything.

I call those bullshit experts. NO clue just repeating what Elon says.
Remember what Society is nowadays? Division and hope.
Who is going to pay for the afghan worker $500 a month?

[o48o]

It's true that automation of human jobs will lead to global unemployment. But that doesn't mean the economy will collapse. In fact, many experts are predicting that the future will be one where you will do absolutely nothing while AI and robots take care of everything. They will handle everything from production, to capital allocation, etc. The economy will be flowing as usual. Only that instead of being driven by humans, it will be driven by machines. Governments will simply collect taxes from companies (those in-charge of the AI and robotics infrastructure) directly. Meanwhile, people will get paid some money (Universal Basic Income) while doing nothing.

China knows that robots are the future. So it's deploying them at a large scale to take over the world. The country is advancing at a very fast pace. Perhaps it will reach as far as surpassing the US someday? Only time will tell...

Who are your experts? Because i am pretty sure i have read about these statements, and they haven't been from experts.

Ask yourself it that would be true, why isn't that happening right now? There are unemployed people already that can't find jobs and taxation of corporations is only going down.

And same "experts" seem to loath the idea of giving handouts to people right now, but they sure are happy to get government subsidies themselves.

[mobilestrike]

China was the one with highest population. I still sense it is somewhere good that the population is shrinking by a bit but yes, that does raise major concerns like the labour force. China is mainly dependent on labour works for exporting goods. The availability of man power makes labour cheaper in China which allows them to create identical products but at way low costs. China is good at replicating the existing products and I think that is only possible because they have a lot of empty minds sitting around with no jobs.

We can't ignore the fact that China is advancing technology. They can surely come up with something that does not require extensive labour power. AI in general can takeover. I also think the lifestyle in China would get way better if the population shrinks more in the coming decades.

[viljy]

Mercury was once used to treat intestinal obstruction, and at first, no problems were noticed either Problems arise later - not suddenly, but gradually, building up until they reach a critical point of no return. The total automation of human jobs will irreversibly lead to global unemployment. Or suggest an alternative - where will the millions and hundreds of millions of people go who will be replaced by humanoid or other robots, which will be much more profitable and less problematic for manufacturers?

P.S. Don’t confuse the automation of assembly lines in Japan with the total replacement of humans by robots in most sectors where people used to work.

It's true that automation of human jobs will lead to global unemployment. But that doesn't mean the economy will collapse. In fact, many experts are predicting that the future will be one where you will do absolutely nothing while AI and robots take care of everything. They will handle everything from production, to capital allocation, etc. The economy will be flowing as usual. Only that instead of being driven by humans, it will be driven by machines. Governments will simply collect taxes from companies (those in-charge of the AI and robotics infrastructure) directly. Meanwhile, people will get paid some money (Universal Basic Income) while doing nothing.

China knows that robots are the future. So it's deploying them at a large scale to take over the world. The country is advancing at a very fast pace. Perhaps it will reach as far as surpassing the US someday? Only time will tell...

I’m familiar with this theory. It vaguely resembles the utopian idea of communism.
I’ll ask a couple of very simple questions:
- In this model, who will manage the distribution of resources, and who will decide who consumes what and how much?
- How will a society function when there is no employment, an abundance of free time, and no consumption issues?

Communism is a speculative utopia. Even the simplest reasoning shows this. For example, let’s reason according to Marx: as a result of complete robotization under the control of AI, the rate of profit fell to 0 (Marx’s tendency for the rate of profit to fall), which made capital accumulation impossible, and capitalism ended.

At the same time, the cost of production fell almost to zero, which made almost everything free or very cheap (according to Marx’s labor theory of value). Human labor is hardly used anywhere in the economy, even in the service sector. But this didn’t make people eat or consume less. And then the question arises: why feed them and ensure their consumption? This is inefficient in terms of energy expenditure.

And here Marxism offers a fantastic solution to the problem - through the education of a new type of person who consciously consumes the minimum necessary. Well, it’s clear that this is fantasy and contradicts evolution and human nature. Therefore, most likely, minimized robotic production will provide for only a small number of people, and all the rest will die out. The AI will decide who to feed and who not to. He will also determine each person’s level of consumption through a social rating. Everything will be managed by a narrow circle of people who control AI and robots.

[WillyAp]

Communism is a speculative utopia. Even the simplest reasoning shows this. For example, let’s reason according to Marx: as a result of complete robotization under the control of AI, the rate of profit fell to 0 (Marx’s tendency for the rate of profit to fall), which made capital accumulation impossible, and capitalism ended. .

The fault in his theory is that capitalism is the consequence of trade.
With trade we progressed, No trade and we have the misery communism is. 

[Filicius]

China Is Massively Automating Its Manufacturing

According to the International Federation of Robotics, there were approximately 2.03 million industrial robots in operation in China in 2024. In 2024 alone, Chinese companies installed approximately 295,000 new industrial robots. This accounts for about 54% of all industrial robots installed worldwide that year. In other words, more than half of all new industrial robots in the world are installed in China. Moreover, automation continues to accelerate. China views robotics and physical AI as key elements of industrial development for the 2026–2030 period.

Sources:

International Federation of Robotics
https://ifr.org/

National Bureau of Statistics of China
https://www.stats.gov.cn/

And here an interesting paradox arises.

For an individual company, robotization almost always makes sense.
Let’s say a hypothetical factory used to have 1,000 workers and produced 1,000 units of output.
After automation, it needs 300 workers and several hundred robots, while output increases to 2,000 units.
- Everything is great for the company.
- Productivity has increased.
- Production costs have decreased.
- Competitiveness has increased.
- Profits have potentially increased.

But the question arises: what do the remaining 700 people do? If the economy quickly creates new jobs for them, there’s no problem. But what happens if new jobs are created more slowly than old ones disappear?

While the numbers seem to be true, it also seems that Chinese industry is so huge that those two million industrial robots are more than absorbed into the industrial fabric and could almost be considered a drop in the ocean.

The other day I saw a very current documentary about Shein and it showed a lot of labour of people who even in their free time knitted, sewed and embroidered. Something that perhaps a robot could do equally or more effectively, but given the cheapness of Chinese labour it simply does not seem to be economically profitable yet in many jobs. From what the images showed, it would still be a long way before robotisation threatens the jobs of most Chinese.

[DrBeer]

Mercury was once used to treat intestinal obstruction, and at first, no problems were noticed either Problems arise later - not suddenly, but gradually, building up until they reach a critical point of no return. The total automation of human jobs will irreversibly lead to global unemployment. Or suggest an alternative - where will the millions and hundreds of millions of people go who will be replaced by humanoid or other robots, which will be much more profitable and less problematic for manufacturers?

P.S. Don’t confuse the automation of assembly lines in Japan with the total replacement of humans by robots in most sectors where people used to work.

It's true that automation of human jobs will lead to global unemployment. But that doesn't mean the economy will collapse. In fact, many experts are predicting that the future will be one where you will do absolutely nothing while AI and robots take care of everything. They will handle everything from production, to capital allocation, etc. The economy will be flowing as usual. Only that instead of being driven by humans, it will be driven by machines. Governments will simply collect taxes from companies (those in-charge of the AI and robotics infrastructure) directly. Meanwhile, people will get paid some money (Universal Basic Income) while doing nothing.

China knows that robots are the future. So it's deploying them at a large scale to take over the world. The country is advancing at a very fast pace. Perhaps it will reach as far as surpassing the US someday? Only time will tell...

I’m familiar with this theory. It vaguely resembles the utopian idea of communism.
I’ll ask a couple of very simple questions:
- In this model, who will manage the distribution of resources, and who will decide who consumes what and how much?
- How will a society function when there is no employment, an abundance of free time, and no consumption issues?

Communism is a speculative utopia. Even the simplest reasoning shows this. For example, let’s reason according to Marx: as a result of complete robotization under the control of AI, the rate of profit fell to 0 (Marx’s tendency for the rate of profit to fall), which made capital accumulation impossible, and capitalism ended.

At the same time, the cost of production fell almost to zero, which made almost everything free or very cheap (according to Marx’s labor theory of value). Human labor is hardly used anywhere in the economy, even in the service sector. But this didn’t make people eat or consume less. And then the question arises: why feed them and ensure their consumption? This is inefficient in terms of energy expenditure.

And here Marxism offers a fantastic solution to the problem - through the education of a new type of person who consciously consumes the minimum necessary. Well, it’s clear that this is fantasy and contradicts evolution and human nature. Therefore, most likely, minimized robotic production will provide for only a small number of people, and all the rest will die out. The AI will decide who to feed and who not to. He will also determine each person’s level of consumption through a social rating. Everything will be managed by a narrow circle of people who control AI and robots.

The problem with all such concepts comes down to the idea of "raising an ideologically correct population".
I was born in the USSR, so I understand this problem perfectly. Back in college, during my political economy classes where we discussed the idea of communism, I asked a simple question: Imagine you walk into a car dealership wanting to buy a car, and there’s a Trabant, a VAZ, a Volvo, and a Mercedes to choose from. The question is - which one would you choose?
And that’s when things got really interesting The professor would start dodging the question and say that "a conscientious communist would choose, say, a VAZ, because a Mercedes and a Volvo are an extravagance! Because a true supporter of communism shouldn’t strive for luxury… Blah blah blah"… In a word, it’s simply manipulation of the masses, nothing more, to justify the low standard of living and force people to work under near-slave conditions for the sake of the unattainable dream of communism.

A little humor: there was a joke back in the days of the USSR:

A barrel of beer was delivered to the square. The vendor had just opened the barrel and was about to start selling when a guy walked up to him and asked:
- Listen, how much does the whole barrel cost?
The vendor does the math:
- Well, let’s see: there are 200 liters here, at so-and-so per mug… That comes to so-and-so rubles.
The man hands over the money:
-Here’s your money. Go take a walk, relax.
The vendor takes the money and leaves. The man turns the sign around: "Beer-free!"
Immediately, a huge crowd gathers; everyone pours themselves mugs, and a stampede begins - screaming, cursing, and then a fight breaks out over the best spots in line. The police arrive and take the man to the station.
At the station, the chief starts yelling at him:
What have you done?! Riots, a fight in the street!" What was the point of all this?!

The man sighs, spreads his arms guiltily, and says:
-  Chief, you have to understand… I’m not a young man anymore. I definitely won’t live to see communism. But I really wanted to see what it would be like under communism… 

[abhiseshakana]

I will be less positive in my assessment of their capabilities, simply based on their historical track record of "effective problem-solving", and I will offer my perspective: it is more likely that they have a well-established system for manipulating information to create a positive "image".
Three simple examples: the fight against sparrows, birth control, and the government housing construction program. Three examples from different periods. The effect is the same- solving one problem created an EVEN BIGGER problem...
 
There are plenty of other examples. That’s exactly why I started this thread - because it’s similar to other "unique Chinese solutions". "Common Prosperity" reminds me very much of the idea of "building communism in the USSR". I’ll remind you how that all ended.

I agree with your skepticism. The failure of the great leap forward also serves as a historical lesson that forcibly engineering nature, biology, or the economy without a scientific basis the result is always a far greater disaster with collateral damage. But we should also realize that China is currently face the issue of a surplus, rather than a scarcity like unlike the failure of the Soviet Union or great leap forward. Mismanagement without good governance caused the economy to collapse and the people to starve. Today  with overcapacity issue, distributing wealth amidst a surplus of goods is far easier than dividing up poverty, as the case in the past.

Even though the possibility of fraud remains but on 4.0 industry era, controlling economy using big data can make Beijing’s policy is far more precise and controlled, very different with past experiences when officials falsified harvest reports manuallywhich caused famine occurred.

So i think common prosperity idea in Gongtong Fuyu is not about building an obsolete communist utopia like the Soviet Union. Simple description are let robots do the hard work of creating wealth, then have the state take control to ensure its citizens retain their purchasing power and everything proceeds on China’s own terms.

[DrBeer]

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While the numbers seem to be true, it also seems that Chinese industry is so huge that those two million industrial robots are more than absorbed into the industrial fabric and could almost be considered a drop in the ocean.

The other day I saw a very current documentary about Shein and it showed a lot of labour of people who even in their free time knitted, sewed and embroidered. Something that perhaps a robot could do equally or more effectively, but given the cheapness of Chinese labour it simply does not seem to be economically profitable yet in many jobs. From what the images showed, it would still be a long way before robotisation threatens the jobs of most Chinese.

China’s cheap labor force is no longer quite what it was, say, 30 years ago. It’s likely that less developed regions still have this "cheap labor", but those areas lack industries that mass-produce goods for the global market; as a rule, they cater primarily to the domestic market. As soon as mass production of what they make becomes necessary, they’ll be replaced by automation just as surely. For now, their employers’ balance between manual labor and automation, from a cost perspective, leans toward manual labor.
It’s a fact that this problem won’t become critical this year, but it will become so in 5–10 years, provided that already now:
- the population is rapidly aging
- unemployment is rising

[Lida93]

Do you think China will ultimately reap a demographic dividend from robotization, or will it face a new problem - excess production capacity and a lack of effective demand?

First of all, I don't see anything new here, and I don't think this is an issue for china or the Chinese economy either. It is a natural phenomenum for people to die and also for people to be born but I still don't believe this trend will have any negative effect on the economy of the Chinese people. Concerning the automation of the Chinese economy, I believe it's a necessity though it comes with some negatives impact since it involves machines or robots doing the work of humans or taking over the place of humans in the workforce but on the other hand, it's China accepting the paradigm shift which is already at work in most Western countries especially in the US.

Sometimes ago, Amazon replaced most of its employees with AI robots and I believe China might be considering same but not only would it reduce the work force and reduce the cost of paying employees salaries but the government would be investing in the production and export of these machines which would also go a long way to grow the economy and continue to put China in the world map as one of the leading countries in tech and innovation.

[DrBeer]

I will be less positive in my assessment of their capabilities, simply based on their historical track record of "effective problem-solving", and I will offer my perspective: it is more likely that they have a well-established system for manipulating information to create a positive "image".
Three simple examples: the fight against sparrows, birth control, and the government housing construction program. Three examples from different periods. The effect is the same- solving one problem created an EVEN BIGGER problem...
 
There are plenty of other examples. That’s exactly why I started this thread - because it’s similar to other "unique Chinese solutions". "Common Prosperity" reminds me very much of the idea of "building communism in the USSR". I’ll remind you how that all ended.

I agree with your skepticism. The failure of the great leap forward also serves as a historical lesson that forcibly engineering nature, biology, or the economy without a scientific basis the result is always a far greater disaster with collateral damage. But we should also realize that China is currently face the issue of a surplus, rather than a scarcity like unlike the failure of the Soviet Union or great leap forward. Mismanagement without good governance caused the economy to collapse and the people to starve. Today  with overcapacity issue, distributing wealth amidst a surplus of goods is far easier than dividing up poverty, as the case in the past.

Even though the possibility of fraud remains but on 4.0 industry era, controlling economy using big data can make Beijing’s policy is far more precise and controlled, very different with past experiences when officials falsified harvest reports manuallywhich caused famine occurred.

So i think common prosperity idea in Gongtong Fuyu is not about building an obsolete communist utopia like the Soviet Union. Simple description are let robots do the hard work of creating wealth, then have the state take control to ensure its citizens retain their purchasing power and everything proceeds on China’s own terms.

This isn’t skepticism, it’s simply modeling the situation and speculating on how it might unfold. It’s just realism, or, more accurately, one of the highly probable paths the situation could take, given the current circumstances and potential future developments.
The problem of oversupply is no less of a problem for the ECONOMY than a shortage of production
A shortage of production can be offset by imports.
Oversupply means overproduction, it means production shutdowns, it means unemployment, and many other negative consequences.

[Abiky]

Who are your experts? Because i am pretty sure i have read about these statements, and they haven't been from experts.

Ask yourself it that would be true, why isn't that happening right now? There are unemployed people already that can't find jobs and taxation of corporations is only going down.

And same "experts" seem to loath the idea of giving handouts to people right now, but they sure are happy to get government subsidies themselves.

I'm saying it in a sarcastic way. The so-called "experts" are none other than rich entrepreneurs such as Bill Gates and Elon Musk. They've been predicting an economy driven by AI and robots, while people get paid some sort of Universal Basic Income. Elon Musk himself talked a lot about this. It's a far-fetched idea, considering that the AI/Robotics infrastructure is premature. Governments would have to consider the benefits of doing such a thing before giving the "green light". They might skip the part of giving away free money to everyone, and just let AI and Robots take over the world.

Why do you think China is deploying AI and Robots at a large scale? With machines reigning supreme, people will be subject to the whims of the government. At least, that's what I think. Either way, there's no denying China's eating the US' "cake". Will America be able to stop it? Only time will tell...

[DrBeer]

Do you think China will ultimately reap a demographic dividend from robotization, or will it face a new problem - excess production capacity and a lack of effective demand?

First of all, I don't see anything new here, and I don't think this is an issue for china or the Chinese economy either. It is a natural phenomenum for people to die and also for people to be born but I still don't believe this trend will have any negative effect on the economy of the Chinese people. Concerning the automation of the Chinese economy, I believe it's a necessity though it comes with some negatives impact since it involves machines or robots doing the work of humans or taking over the place of humans in the workforce but on the other hand, it's China accepting the paradigm shift which is already at work in most Western countries especially in the US.

Sometimes ago, Amazon replaced most of its employees with AI robots and I believe China might be considering same but not only would it reduce the work force and reduce the cost of paying employees salaries but the government would be investing in the production and export of these machines which would also go a long way to grow the economy and continue to put China in the world map as one of the leading countries in tech and innovation.

Let's put it this way - if you read the Chinese/Word media and pay attention to certain statements made within the country, you'll definitely notice it!

The problem of population aging in China has become one of the main domestic threats to China’s future. China is aging at an unprecedentedly rapid pace: while it took Western countries many decades to make this transition, China has evolved into a "deeply aging society" in just 20 years.
By 2026, the proportion of citizens over 60 had already exceeded 23% of the population (more than 320 million people), and by 2035, this figure could rise to 400 million.
Demographers describe the main paradox of the situation with the phrase "China risks growing old before it has a chance to get rich"

Sources:
https://www.thinkchina.sg/society/chinas-population-turn-start-long-term-decline
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-formulate-policies-elderly-focus-boosting-birth-rates-2025-03-05/
https://russiancouncil.ru/en/blogs/dana-izotova/chinas-demographic-crisis-global-consequences-of-an-aging-giant/

What Amazon has done is a matter for a single company, and in the U.S. there is no problem of a DRASTIC and GLOBAL aging population, nor of noticeable unemployment or even more noticeable "hidden unemployment".

[DrBeer]

Here's some news and updates on the issue:

China has found itself at the mercy of a stark demographic trend - an aging population (by 2035, more than a third of its citizens will be over 60). To compensate for the shrinking workforce, China has stepped up the adoption of robots - there are now more than 2 million in active use in the country (accounting for over 50% of global production).

However, experts point out key contradictions in this strategy:
- Declining domestic demand: Robots do not receive salaries and do not purchase goods. Mass layoffs reduce the population's purchasing power, which slows down the domestic market.
- Price wars ("involution"): Ultra-efficient automated production leads to overproduction and fierce competition within China, which reduces the companies' own profits and forces them to dump products on foreign markets, exacerbating trade disputes with the EU and the U.S.
- Ethical and Autonomous Control: The latest trend among Chinese engineers toward "embodied AI" aims to give robots full autonomy in unfamiliar environments. This raises social concerns due to the lack of a clear legal and ethical framework for controlling machines in the workplace.

[DrBeer]

Still, my position-that decentralized exchanges are even less secure than centralized ones in terms of the consequences of a hack-is confirmed almost daily:
Arcus (November 9, 2026). The attacker exploited an accounting bug when transferring funds between subaccounts on a decentralized exchange, artificially inflating their balance.
Initia (November 10, 2026). Validators urgently halted the L1 blockchain after detecting unauthorized transfers from escrow accounts that support the operation of rollups.
Cross-chain bridge Ankr on the Ethereum network (November 9, 2026). An attacker sent five fake cross-chain receipts referencing the same legitimate transaction on the Optimism network, but with altered recipient and amount fields.

...and this wave of hacks shows no signs of stopping, while decentralized platforms lack reserve funds and mechanisms for freezing funds, unlike centralized platforms.

[WillyAp]

Still, my position-that decentralized exchanges are even less secure than centralized ones in terms of the consequences of a hack-is confirmed almost daily:
Arcus (November 9, 2026). The attacker exploited an accounting bug when transferring funds between subaccounts on a decentralized exchange, artificially inflating their balance.
Initia (November 10, 2026). Validators urgently halted the L1 blockchain after detecting unauthorized transfers from escrow accounts that support the operation of rollups.
Cross-chain bridge Ankr on the Ethereum network (November 9, 2026). An attacker sent five fake cross-chain receipts referencing the same legitimate transaction on the Optimism network, but with altered recipient and amount fields.

...and this wave of hacks shows no signs of stopping, while decentralized platforms lack reserve funds and mechanisms for freezing funds, unlike centralized platforms.

All 3rd party apps are in danger.

So in that case 2 things can happen, People retire from Crypto, (unlikely)
People learn to bank themselves, wallets like blockchain-readers. 

[philipma1957]

Lately, I’ve been observing what’s happening with the Chinese economy. Taken individually, each of these trends seems quite logical and even positive for China. But when viewed together, the picture becomes quite interesting, or rather, ambiguous.

China is aging rapidly, its population is shrinking, economic growth is slowing, and at the same time, its industrial sector is becoming increasingly automated. This raises the question: Is China creating a new problem in its attempt to solve an old one?

Let’s start with demographics.

In 2025, China’s population shrank by another 3.39 million people.  Over the course of the year, 7.92 million people were born, and 11.31 million died.
At the same time:

- the population aged 16–59 is about 851 million people, or 60.6% of the total population
- those aged 60 and older numbered 323.4 million, or 23%
- those aged 65 and older numbered 223.7 million, or 15.9%

In other words, the problem is no longer about some projections for 2050. China is already in the process of aging and experiencing a population decline.

Source: National Bureau of Statistics of China https://www.stats.gov.cn/

But here a situation arises that seems strange at first glance. On the one hand, China is gradually losing its labor force. On the other hand, even today a large number of young people cannot find work.

Youth and the Labor Market

In August 2026, the unemployment rate among urban residents aged 16–24 who were not students stood at 18.9%.

For comparison:

16–24 years old – 18.9%
25–29 years old – 7.5%
30–59 years old – 3.9%

At the same time, approximately 12.7 million college graduates will enter the labor market in 2026. It is important to note, however, that Chinese statistics on youth unemployment do not include students, therefore, the 18.9% figure should not be interpreted as "18.9% of all Chinese youth". But even with this caveat, the figure is very high. This paints an interesting picture: The population is aging, and in the long run, the workforce will shrink, but even now, a significant portion of young people cannot find work. Why? One explanation is that the problem is no longer just about the number of workers. The very structure of the Chinese economy is changing.

The Chinese growth model is also changing

In recent decades, China’s growth has been driven by a wide range of factors - cheap labor, exports, construction, investment, urbanization, and a massive expansion of production capacity. But this model is gradually reaching its limits. The IMF forecasts that the Chinese economy will grow by approximately 4.5% in 2026, following 5% growth in 2025. In the medium term, the IMF estimates that growth will continue to slow. Among the reasons cited are a shrinking labor force, declining returns on investment, and weaker productivity growth.
At the same time, the issue of domestic demand persists. China produces a huge volume of goods, but domestic consumption remains relatively weak. This is one of the reasons why Beijing has to find ways to stimulate consumption and gradually restructure the economy.
And against this backdrop, another very interesting process is unfolding.

China Is Massively Automating Its Manufacturing

According to the International Federation of Robotics, there were approximately 2.03 million industrial robots in operation in China in 2024. In 2024 alone, Chinese companies installed approximately 295,000 new industrial robots. This accounts for about 54% of all industrial robots installed worldwide that year. In other words, more than half of all new industrial robots in the world are installed in China. Moreover, automation continues to accelerate. China views robotics and physical AI as key elements of industrial development for the 2026–2030 period.

Sources:

International Federation of Robotics
https://ifr.org/

National Bureau of Statistics of China
https://www.stats.gov.cn/

And here an interesting paradox arises.

For an individual company, robotization almost always makes sense.
Let’s say a hypothetical factory used to have 1,000 workers and produced 1,000 units of output.
After automation, it needs 300 workers and several hundred robots, while output increases to 2,000 units.
- Everything is great for the company.
- Productivity has increased.
- Production costs have decreased.
- Competitiveness has increased.
- Profits have potentially increased.

But the question arises: what do the remaining 700 people do? If the economy quickly creates new jobs for them, there’s no problem. But what happens if new jobs are created more slowly than old ones disappear?

This is where a macroeconomic problem arises.

Let’s imagine a situation where automation allows Chinese industry to produce more and more goods with fewer and fewer workers.
The chain of events looks something like this:
robotization = increased productivity = reduced demand for human labor = pressure on employment and wages = weaker consumer demand = excess production capacity = pressure on prices and profits = the need to cut production costs even further = even more robotization.
Of course, this does not mean that this exact scenario will necessarily unfold. Moreover, there is a very strong argument in favor of the opposite viewpoint.

Robots may be essential for China.

If the population is aging and the workforce is shrinking, the country still needs to maintain production somehow. If, in the past, producing, say, 100 units of output required 100 workers, but now only 30 workers and robots are needed, this helps offset the demographic decline.
In this case, automation does not create a problem, on the contrary, it helps solve it.  But then the following question arises.

Will there be enough new jobs?

If a person is displaced from the manufacturing sector, they must find a use for their labor elsewhere.

This could be in:
- healthcare
- education
- services
- IT
- science
- management
- customer service
- new technology sectors

This, in my view, is the key question. If the economy creates new sectors faster than automation destroys old jobs, then robotization is a huge advantage. If, however, productivity grows faster than the economy can create new sources of employment, a completely different problem arises.

And who will buy the products?

This is perhaps the most interesting point.
The modern economy largely operates according to a fairly simple model: people work > earn income > buy goods and services > businesses generate revenue > businesses hire people > people earn income again.

Now let’s imagine an economy in which an ever-increasing portion of production is carried out by robots.
- Robots don’t get paid.
- They don’t go to stores.
- They don’t buy cars, apartments, food, or services.
- They produce.

This raises the question: If the share of income derived from human labor gradually declines, where will the population’s purchasing power come from?
And this is no longer just a Chinese problem. China may simply turn out to be one of the first major economies where several factors converge simultaneously:
- an aging population
- a shrinking population
- high youth unemployment
- slowing economic growth
- weak domestic demand
- a massive industrial sector
- a very high rate of robotization

Therefore, I wouldn’t go so far as to say that robotization will inevitably lead to mass unemployment in China. It’s quite possible that the opposite will happen - robots will allow the Chinese economy to offset the shrinking population and maintain high levels of production.
But there is another scenario. If automation proceeds faster than the economy can create new jobs and redistribute income, China may face a rather unusual problem:

production is becoming easier and easier, while providing people with jobs is becoming harder and harder.

And then a completely different question arises.
What will be the main mechanism for income distribution in an economy where production relies less and less on human labor?
And this, to me, seems a much more interesting question than simply "will robots take our jobs"? Tens, if not hundreds, of millions of unemployed people in China -that’s a HUGE problem for the country....

Do you think China will ultimately reap a demographic dividend from robotization, or will it face a new problem - excess production capacity and a lack of effective demand?

first off a well thought out problem.
arguments are sound.

this part could well solve many issues

In 2025, China’s population shrank by another 3.39 million people.  Over the course of the year, 7.92 million people were born, and 11.31 million died.

3.39 million less people in 2025. still 1,411,697,254 left in 2026 as per

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population/


So 1,411,697,254-3,390,000=1,408,307,254  next year.

One could argue that shrinkage of humans in the manner above solves so many world problems that this is good for China and the rest of the world.

India is at 1,481,734,756 people and also needs shrinkage at a steady pace.

USA    is    at    349,035,494 people
Indonesia is at  287,886,782 people
Pakistan  is  at  259,999,792 people
Nigeria   is   at   242,431,832 people
Brazil      is  at   213,562,666 people
Bangladesh is at 177,818,044 people
Russia     is.   at 143,394,458 people
Ethiopia   is  at  138,902,185 people

the top ten countries shrinking in population allows for less stress maintaining food supplies for us all.

If Ai and robots can make products far less cost than people we could shrink the world population non violently.

I lived since 1957 the world had under 2.9 billion and it worked

we now have over 8 billion we do not have the room.  I would like to thank China for showing us how to lower the world population.

Robot care giving for the sick and elderly and we drop from 8 to 7 billion in maybe 20 years time sound good to me.

[Cookdata]

China was the one with highest population. I still sense it is somewhere good that the population is shrinking by a bit but yes, that does raise major concerns like the labour force. China is mainly dependent on labour works for exporting goods. The availability of man power makes labour cheaper in China which allows them to create identical products but at way low costs. China is good at replicating the existing products and I think that is only possible because they have a lot of empty minds sitting around with no jobs.

But don't you think low population, more budget can reach more people. Look at China yearly Budget since Corona time, it has increased by some percentage and the population has reduced as each year passed, that means more budget available to sort many things that can reduce economic hardship and opportunities to create more jobs. It's not like robot will change the economy completely. Even AI is already a problem in the global tech space but wouldn't transform all the places.

We can't ignore the fact that China is advancing technology. They can surely come up with something that does not require extensive labour power. AI in general can takeover. I also think the lifestyle in China would get way better if the population shrinks more in the coming decades.

Even with labour power, regulations alone can make human power available. Governments works with economy policies, if they see that people are losing jobs, they can limit the how robots are created or shutdown the companies just to accommodate humans. What I love about China is their people comes before any other things, they don't follow what other countries are doing, that's why even the US is afraid of their ways of economy.

[DrBeer]

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first off a well thought out problem.
arguments are sound.

this part could well solve many issues

In 2025, China’s population shrank by another 3.39 million people.  Over the course of the year, 7.92 million people were born, and 11.31 million died.

3.39 million less people in 2025. still 1,411,697,254 left in 2026 as per

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population/


So 1,411,697,254-3,390,000=1,408,307,254  next year.

One could argue that shrinkage of humans in the manner above solves so many world problems that this is good for China and the rest of the world.

India is at 1,481,734,756 people and also needs shrinkage at a steady pace.

USA    is    at    349,035,494 people
Indonesia is at  287,886,782 people
Pakistan  is  at  259,999,792 people
Nigeria   is   at   242,431,832 people
Brazil      is  at   213,562,666 people
Bangladesh is at 177,818,044 people
Russia     is.   at 143,394,458 people
Ethiopia   is  at  138,902,185 people

the top ten countries shrinking in population allows for less stress maintaining food supplies for us all.

If Ai and robots can make products far less cost than people we could shrink the world population non violently.

I lived since 1957 the world had under 2.9 billion and it worked

we now have over 8 billion we do not have the room.  I would like to thank China for showing us how to lower the world population.

Robot care giving for the sick and elderly and we drop from 8 to 7 billion in maybe 20 years time sound good to me.

First of all, thank you for your feedback! I believe that such complex and ambiguous topics need to be explored in depth and with high quality! 

The idea of reducing the population as a way to ease the burden on social services is sound in theory. In practice, things are a bit different. There is no problem with providing for the population in developed countries, in fact, these countries even overproduce food, among other things.
The main population growth actually comes from the less developed countries. Using AI, I compiled some analytics-the top 10 countries that have seen the greatest population growth over the past 10 years. Here's what it looks like:

Rank	Country	Growth over 10 years (absolute)	Main factor driving growth
1	India	~115–120 million	Huge baseline population combined with a stable birth rate
2	Nigeria	~43–45 million	High fertility rate (over 4–5 children per woman)
3	Pakistan	~37–40 million	Traditionally high population growth rates in South Asia
4	DR Congo	~28–30 million	Rapid population boom in Central Africa
5	Ethiopia	~24–26 million	High natural population growth in East Africa
6	Indonesia	~20–22 million	Large population combined with moderate growth
7	Tanzania	~18–20 million	Accelerating population growth in East African countries
8	Bangladesh	~17–19 million	Extreme population density and stable natural growth
9	Egypt	~16–18 million	High fertility rate amid declining infant mortality
10	United States	~14–16 million	The only developed economy in the top group, growth driven by active migration

As we can see, the main problem with population growth is not in developed countries.

Second, there is a huge global problem of job shortages and rising unemployment. Even robotic systems for elderly care take jobs away from the least-skilled workers, who suffer the most from unemployment.

[WillyAp]

As we can see, the main problem with population growth is not in developed countries.

The decline is not alarming at all, the alarm ist for business who need masses,
The decline makes products more affordable, fewer consumers for Olive Oils should drive down the price.
Amazon, eBay, among another few thousands. There business only works in masses.
Years ago a Car had a profit margen of about 25% Western Car manufacturers are down to 5%.
That allowed for a massive administrative overhead, Chinese Car manufacturers don't have those, most likely its a question of time.