Since when does the Serious discussion board become spam?

[notocactus]

I received one merit for this post of mine but spamming issue in Serious discussion board is what I saw and felt since recent years.

Changing their posting habits by improving their posts quality is a thing and prioritising other section is something that the forum should not be proud of. Yes some  people are forced to leave the gambling section to avoid the famous text. That's not normal..

It's not normal and it does not show any quality improvement.

Post quality belongs to posts and reasons of posting. It's like posting is a very last step to do, otherwise let's focus on reading and absorbing information, if nothing helpful to post, don't post.

By moving to other boards, shitposters made these boards worse.

I know that in Serious discussion board, signatures are all disabled visually but avatars shown.

• Rules for Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower.
• Two new no-signature boards.

Even signatures are not shown there, does it mean spams allowed?
Let's see the description for this board.
"More serious discussion. No advertising of any kind. No junk posts."
It means spams are not allowed but let's read topics and posts.

Health is wealth.
How religion became a thing for the poor.
Consistency is the Key of every success door.
All being hopeless.

I only quote very first topics shown on top of Serious discussion board but if you look to more other threads, they are mostly spam.

Is Serious discussion board becomes a spam board and no moderation like in bounties board?
What are purposes of spammers to post there?

• Diversifying boards and topics in which they post, just to avoid signature ban?
• Increasing account activity point?
• Trying to fish merit if possible?
• Cheating campaign managers if they don't notice carefully when counting posts in campaigns for payment?
• Others?

Spam spreads around from bounties, normal boards to technical boards, and recent years to Serious discussion board.
Account which spread false/fake/unhelpful information on technical board.

[Upgrade00]

• Diversifying boards and topics in which they post, just to avoid signature ban?
• Increasing account activity point?
• Trying to fish merit if possible?

• Signature ban is still recent, only one of those topics you highlighted was made within the last month, the rest predates the signature ban event and the more you drop in the board you get much older threads. There are a few recent replies but that has happened at different times with the board. Activity is generally very low, so such replies are easy to notice

• It does not help for post count and only contributes to activity periods. There are much better boards to do that on if it is the aim.

• Merit fishing is a possibility but there is so very little activity there that chances are very low.

[ryzaadit]

Even signatures are not shown there, does it mean spams allowed?

Nope, and on every board, spam is not allowed either.

I only quote very first topics shown on top of Serious discussion board but if you look to more other threads, they are mostly spam.
Is Serious discussion board becomes a spam board and no moderation like in bounties board?

Have you ever tried to "Report to Moderator" ? What's the result ? I think boards like these are mostly faster to be taken care, just see the rules (mentioned a broken english on the rules of those boards). As long as the report explanations are very straight to the point. Perhaps Report: [Serious Discussion] straight-to-the-point reason of your report. Feels too tested.

Diversifying boards and topics in which they post, just to avoid signature ban?
Increasing account activity point?
Trying to fish merit if possible?

Diversifying the posts on every board is not gonna save them either. Nutildah is using a few points, not just their history post before sending the ban. The only things they're gaining on those boards are "potential-activity period". They could try to fish some merit too, but mostly merit sources or other people are really not having so much activity on those boards. Unless there is some discussion, it is quite important for them.

Cheating campaign managers if they don't notice carefully when counting posts in campaigns for payment?

Then, the campaign managers are not doing their jobs correctly.

[_act_]

Is Serious discussion board becomes a spam board and no moderation like in bounties board?
What are purposes of spammers to post there?

• Diversifying boards and topics in which they post, just to avoid signature ban?
• Increasing account activity point?
• Trying to fish merit if possible?
• Cheating campaign managers if they don't notice carefully when counting posts in campaigns for payment?
• Others?

I do not think some users are posting on the boards mentioned because of signature ban, but maybe it is.

Posts on serious discussions will not increase the activities, or are the posts there counting? I thought they are not counting under posts and activities.

What I think is that some people can post there to get merit if they noticed merit is there.

I have noticed that signature campaign managers on this forum know how to do the post counting perfectly, so I do not think that is also the reason. The most reason I see to it is merit.

But I saw posts on the boards before to be like the links that you posted while few among them have good quality, but not all.

[The Cryptovator]

Spammers will spam everywhere; they don't need a reason to spam. If they understood the reason, then they would never exist as spammers. They just want to write something; it doesn’t matter which board. Even as few spammers don't have a goal to post. I know you may not believe me, but that’s true.

If someone needs merit, activities or post count, then they could do that anywhere. Doesn’t necessary they have to choose a serious discussion board.

[Ambatman]

Wait so you mean serious discussion was never for such post
That's surprising because from what I have noticed since I got curious about it
It's usually post that would normally fall on off topic.
My first opinion before I checked it out was for people to discuss without any promotional activities
Just pure quality discussion
But reality was different and if I'm not mistaken CMs don't usually pay from post from that section
So I doubt people would do to meet post quota.

[MarryWithBTC]

The first time I visited that board, I was thinking I would see topics like;

WW3, when and how?

If FBI takes down Bitcointalk, what will be our next move?

Apart from theymos, who else has access to bitcointalk database;

etc.

These are the kinds of topics I would consider serious, but the topics I see there are similar to the ones in offtopic and PS board. I think that board has been like that for a while.

[Vod]

Is Serious discussion board becomes a spam board and no moderation like in bounties board?

I would suspect such little gets posted there that the moderators forget to check it until someone reports.

[Upgrade00]

The first time I visited that board, I was thinking I would see topics like;

WW3, when and how?

If FBI takes down Bitcointalk, what will be our next move?

Apart from theymos, who else has access to bitcointalk database;

First one will fit well into P/S.
Could loosely got into beginners or meta
A definite meta topic.

I think the serious discussion board is suffering from the efficiency of the forum's board caregorization. We have about 19 boards and 36 child boards, this covers. Every topic serious enough to be considered to go there already has a more fitting board it can go into. This leaves off topic conversations that one is passionate about and would not want to be spammed

[Majestic-milf]

Spammers will spam everywhere; they don't need a reason to spam. If they understood the reason, then they would never exist as spammers. They just want to write something; it doesn’t matter which board. Even as few spammers don't have a goal to post. I know you may not believe me, but that’s true.

If someone needs merit, activities or post count, then they could do that anywhere. Doesn’t necessary they have to choose a serious discussion board.

I agree with this. Spammers do what they do because they can do it. Some aren't aware they are spamming because they feel they are contributing but the ones who are aware just do it so they can get a reaction. The Serious discussion board is a place people just go to when they want to vent and not expect much replies(my opinion) or like a diary where you talk out loud so it's not a surprise it's not paid too much attention.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Some of the topics that are currently active in that section were originally located in other sections, such as the bitcoin discussion or the beginner section. I have repeatedly complained about them as topics that do not bring any value, but they were not deleted, because by the time the moderator reported, there were already several responses. They were not even moved to the off-topic section, but simply sent to this section.
In addition, watch how actively "newbies" appear there, discussing anything but topics about bitcoin. Why is that? because beginners do not have sufficient knowledge, and discussing general topics is much easier, such as the injustice of the governments of a particular country. Beginners who pretend to be like that have found a good loophole, discuss nonsense there, while getting active, and then move on to topics where they discuss regular buying and investing, since everything has been repeated millions of times in those topics, and it doesn't take a genius to just repeat the same thing.

[MarryWithBTC]

First one will fit well into P/S.
Could loosely got into beginners or meta
A definite meta topic.

Which means, any topic in Serious discussion can comfortably fit into any other boards.

I think the serious discussion board is suffering from the efficiency of the forum's board caregorization. We have about 19 boards and 36 child boards, this covers. Every topic serious enough to be considered to go there already has a more fitting board it can go into. This leaves off topic conversations that one is passionate about and would not want to be spammed

I agree with this, the difference is that, it is in serious discussion because we don't want the topic to be spammed since signatures don't appear there.

Alternatively, we can have such topics self moderated in other boards instead of serious discussion and still achieve a spam free conversation.

[Xal0lex]

Health is wealth.
How religion became a thing for the poor.
Consistency is the Key of every success door.
All being hopeless.

Well, you created a topic, described the problem clearly, but... nothing has changed, and the topics you mentioned are still there in the section 🤷‍♂️

I didn't do anything special, I just sent two reports... and that's it 😉

P.S. The global moderators may choose to ignore the reports on the other two topics, since they're quite old.

[uchegod-21]

I have usually had my reservations about the serious discussion board; is that board really neccessary? I don't post in that board and here's my reason.

This forum has many boards and child's boards with specific topics ongoing there. Any serious discussion about bitcoin, politics, the economy, trading and many other topics can comfortably fit into the various specific boards assigned to them. I see the Serious discussion board as a board that has no real direction. The term "serious discussion " is subjective; what the other person considers a serious topic may not be appreciated by me as something serious. I am not surprised at the kind of topics that are raised there. Ofcourse what do we expect when the actual serious topics are raised in the specific boards meant for such discussions, then posts like the examples given by op are made in the serious discussion section.

The moderators even put in efforts to discourage spam in that board by removing signatures incentives, allowing people to discuss without expectations of post counts. Unfortunately, that action didn't solve any problem.

[PrimeNumber7]

I guess my question is: what do you believe the motivation is for these spam threads? Typically, the forum is more lenient towards those who break the rules and don't have a financial incentive for doing so.  Those two subs are fairly dead, so those threads are really not hurting anyone. You can see threads from a year ago on the first page in serious discussion and six years ago in the ivory tower, so threads are not getting lost in the spam.

[LTU_btc]

OP, probably not all posts in that board fits standard of Serious discussion, but when it's more or less dead board, I don't see problem there.

These are the kinds of topics I would consider serious, but the topics I see there are similar to the ones in offtopic and PS board. I think that board has been like that for a while.

Yeah, it's like Off-topic 2.0. But there is so little activity that I even forgot that this board exists.

I have usually had my reservations about the serious discussion board; is that board really neccessary? I don't post in that board and here's my reason.

This forum has many boards and child's boards with specific topics ongoing there. Any serious discussion about bitcoin, politics, the economy, trading and many other topics can comfortably fit into the various specific boards assigned to them. I see the Serious discussion board as a board that has no real direction.

Yes, Serious discussion covers everything from Bitcoin discussion, economics to off-topic and politics. But at the same very few people post there as they can do it in dedicated board. When this board was just created, there was many interesting topics to discuss, but eventually there was less and less activity

[Mia Chloe]

~snip

Personally I see the serious discussion board as a board based on subjective opinion actually. What you subjectively view as a serious discussion might be trivial as hell to me and that subjectively for me makes it a total fit as an off topic discussion. This is basically the reason why the margin between off topic board and serious discussion board is pretty thin.

To further emphasize this both of these boards have a strong similarity which is both harbour discussions that have nothing to do with bitcoin and crypto based on these reasons you wouldn't expect moderators to actively moderate it. Besides the moderation itself is subjective too in some cases.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Beginners who pretend to be like that have found a good loophole, discuss nonsense there, while getting active, and then move on to topics where they discuss regular buying and investing, since everything has been repeated millions of times in those topics, and it doesn't take a genius to just repeat the same thing.

Good loophole. Is that even a thing now Lovesmay? They do everything else except the right thing. It cost more to spam formulaic post; why not they think, discover a niche, improve and be of good use to the forum?

Spammers will spam everywhere; they don't need a reason to spam. If they understood the reason, then they would never exist as spammers.

Unless It's a bot, they all know exactly what they're doing.

Typically, the forum is more lenient towards those who break the rules and don't have a financial incentive for doing so.

When they eventually grow those accounts from getting merited for worthless post, mostly on threads in that section, it doesn't get any better. I don't want to decide for the Mods but the leniency by virtue of aforementioned reason is why we have several accounts with signatures producing cookie-cutter posts all over the forum. Let's not forget that an account spamming without a signature today will eventually wear one tomorrow.

[MarryWithBTC]

These are the kinds of topics I would consider serious, but the topics I see there are similar to the ones in offtopic and PS board. I think that board has been like that for a while.

Yeah, it's like Off-topic 2.0. But there is so little activity that I even forgot that this board exists.

You don't remember that the board exist because you haven't got any serious thing to discuss lol

When they eventually grow those accounts from getting merited for worthless post, mostly on threads in that section, it doesn't get any better.

How does merit get to worthless posts? Spammers being merited by fellow spammers?

Who knows if quality posts appear as spam in the brain of a spammer, while spam appear quality

[uchegod-21]

I have usually had my reservations about the serious discussion board; is that board really neccessary? I don't post in that board and here's my reason.

This forum has many boards and child's boards with specific topics ongoing there. Any serious discussion about bitcoin, politics, the economy, trading and many other topics can comfortably fit into the various specific boards assigned to them. I see the Serious discussion board as a board that has no real direction.

Yes, Serious discussion covers everything from Bitcoin discussion, economics to off-topic and politics. But at the same very few people post there as they can do it in dedicated board. When this board was just created, there was many interesting topics to discuss, but eventually there was less and less activity

Yea this should have been expected right from the beginning.  The major reason is because all these topics have dedicated boards and people are posting there so their posts can be counted as part of their weekly post quota. I guess they don't want to waste their time on a board that has no monetary incentive  .  Maybe things will change later if a specific topic or topics is/are assigned to the board; i mean topics that don't fit into any of the already existing boards, then first, we will see less spam threads and people may somehow find interest in the board again.