THE REAL reason why BTC has a slow adoptive rate

[Wilikon]

You may break the world record of the fastest newb being added on my ignore list...

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[Wilikon]

Remember, when you point your finger at someone, three fingers are pointing back at you.

 

[franky1]

basing investments purely on emotion and personality of people you talk to are not good traits to being a good investor. you should base your investments on the qualities of the 'product' not the people.

the gold market is just as full of ego-maniacs, greedy hoarders, and people that will tell you to buy when they, themselves are ready to sell. so don't base your investments on other people. as that is how 'panic due to fud' overrules your decisions instead of natural value growth.

also searching for the answers first shows you to be a wiser person then just asking the same question that has been asked many times. it is a known fact that it really does irritate people to be asked the same question many times, where the answer can be answered by simply looking. EG car journeys "are we there yet" (if the car is still moving, its obvious they are not there yet)

there are genuine 'noobs' that do show that they are willing to learn and show some sort of coherent way of asking a question. but then there are others that seem to want to know the answers to everything in one go, without doing any research.

many of the 'experts' have spend months-years to learn everything there is to know about bitcoin and they can get irritated when 'noobs' think that it only takes 1 misunderstood question to gain equal amount of knowledge in a shorter time period.

i agree that 'experts' do need to sometimes keep there emotions in check (even i have failed this point at times) but i think noobs need to realise they wont get the answer to the meaning of life in just 10 posts of asking questions. and they should definitely not base their investment strategy on the personalities of people either.

[iGROWyourBiz]

Sorry to hear yours and others experience in BCT hasn't been the most welcoming.

Just like in life and in general, there's a learning curve.  Not saying you have to read the whole forum line by line, but the longer you're here the more you "ingest".

Everyone here has been a Newbie at some point and probably got told to use "the search feature" or LMGTFY.

I think a big part of that is there used to be a "Newbie hell", where you couldn't post as much, so you'd just have to stick to the Beginners and Newbie section for quite a while until you graduated to Jr. Member.  In a way, I thought Newbie Hell made me read more content and see how Sr. and Hero members conducted and answered questions since they've most likely been there from the beginning.

Hang in there, lighten your tone a little, and keep your posts a little shorter.

Thanks for your concern. I appreciate that.

Learning curve? sure, I get that.

And newbie hell, just adds to xenophobia and prevents growth.   The average person has accomplished enough in their life, they do not need to be regulated to kindergarten simply because they are new.

Being here from the beginning does not necessarily make one wise, intelligent or correct (3 different things).  Observing early adopters, just shows you early adopter behavior (which again leads to xenophobia)

this is not high school, I don't have to "earn cool points" to be with the IN crowd.  

For a decentralized, non hierarchical economy - there still is the same ol BS politics going on.

I should not have to keep posts "short".  If people don't care to read, that is fine, but to then assault someone...that is just juvenile.

I shouldn't have to immediately change MY tone, after being pissed all over by multiple people either. Especially since the TONE is a result of the abuse.

Clearly, in this short amount of time, with the few people brave enough to agree with me here....this is not a spurious issue I am bringing up, I just happen to be bold enough to say STOP PISSING ON EVERYONE WALKING IN THE DOOR!

Again, i did happen to take the time to read up and understand BTC.  My questions were dialogue inducing, trying to see where I want to fit with the currency itself.

I am actually pretty advanced in math and programming...It took a bit for me to "get it" and there are still parts I am learning.   I can not imagine what someone who does not have the level of learning and experience I have would get.

you can read 10 million times the same thing over and over....doesn't mean you won't have a basic question about it.

Ironically a lot of the people trying to exercise influence are just net bullys.  All the bitcasinos (everyone knows the house always wins) - just scamming people for BTC and spamming the forum with signature lines.

For anyone to imply that a person should get a full understanding before entering dialogue is where the xenophobia comes in.  For anyone to imply they should get that understanding BEFORE ever asking a question is where pure ignorance comes in.

[iGROWyourBiz]

basing investments purely on emotion and personality of people you talk to are not good traits to being a good investor. you should base your investments on the qualities of the 'product' not the people.

the gold market is just as full of ego-maniacs, greedy hoarders, and people that will tell you to buy when they, themselves are ready to sell. so don't base your investments on other people. as that is how 'panic due to fud' overrules your decisions instead of natural value growth.

also searching for the answers first shows you to be a wiser person then just asking the same question that has been asked many times. it is a known fact that it really does irritate people to be asked the same question many times, where the answer can be answered by simply looking. EG car journeys "are we there yet" (if the car is still moving, its obvious they are not there yet)

there are genuine 'noobs' that do show that they are willing to learn and show some sort of coherent way of asking a question. but then there are others that seem to want to know the answers to everything in one go, without doing any research.

many of the 'experts' have spend months-years to learn everything there is to know about bitcoin and they can get irritated when 'noobs' think that it only takes 1 misunderstood question to gain equal amount of knowledge in a shorter time period.

i agree that 'experts' do need to sometimes keep there emotions in check (even i have failed this point at times) but i think noobs need to realise they wont get the answer to the meaning of life in just 10 posts of asking questions. and they should definitely not base their investment strategy on the personalities of people either.

not everyone desires to be an expert in ALL dimensions of bitcoin...nor should they

if this was a car journeys site, and I asked what is the fuel efficiency on this journey - just because 900 people asked before I did...does not make my question irrelevant, nor does it make me "lazy"

It just makes the so called experts "lazy" and unable to comprehend the concept of a "DISCUSSION FORUM"...

Also, when one of the "selling points" of bitcoin is the "community"...when you experience that community acts more like a cult than a true helpful community, it makes people who have influence with hundreds of online and offline vendors payment processing choices...have little desire to help such a "community"

[subcoin]

THE REAL reason why BTC has a slow adoptive rate

The real reason is because it's difficult to understand and use.

IMO, these threads contain very little quality information.
OP uses many words to convey negligible amount of info.
This should be moved under "speculation" or "baseless name calling"

[jonald_fyookball]

 there is no shortage of high quality YouTube videos that teach Bitcoin. 
Easy to educate oneself.

[franky1]

not everyone desires to be an expert in ALL dimensions of bitcoin...nor should they

if this was a car journeys site, and I asked what is the fuel efficiency on this journey - just because 900 people asked before I did...does not make my question irrelevant, nor does it make me "lazy"

It just makes the so called experts "lazy" and unable to comprehend the concept of a "DISCUSSION FORUM"...

Also, when one of the "selling points" of bitcoin is the "community"...when you experience that community acts more like a cult than a true helpful community, it makes people who have influence with hundreds of online and offline vendors payment processing choices...have little desire to help such a "community"

calling a 'expert' lazy and and unable to comprehend (meaning stupid), yet wanting experts to help noobs skip doing the research, and also offer this advice freely... is that a good trait for noobs to have?? and maybe even slightly hypocritical?

[iGROWyourBiz]

not everyone desires to be an expert in ALL dimensions of bitcoin...nor should they

if this was a car journeys site, and I asked what is the fuel efficiency on this journey - just because 900 people asked before I did...does not make my question irrelevant, nor does it make me "lazy"

It just makes the so called experts "lazy" and unable to comprehend the concept of a "DISCUSSION FORUM"...

Also, when one of the "selling points" of bitcoin is the "community"...when you experience that community acts more like a cult than a true helpful community, it makes people who have influence with hundreds of online and offline vendors payment processing choices...have little desire to help such a "community"

calling a 'expert' lazy and and unable to comprehend (meaning stupid), yet wanting experts to help noobs skip doing the research, and also offer this advice freely... is that a good trait for noobs to have?? and maybe even slightly hypocritical?

not at all.  Because they are not true "experts", just been around longer. They may have a little more "information" also. 

And though they do not have to offer advice freely, condemning those asking for help- and in a public forum DESIGNED for people to discuss such things...well, it definitely is not a MODEL that a "noob" should aspire to grow to, that's for sure!

[Soros Shorts]

Asking stupid questions is one thing, but lately we've seen a lot of noobs coming onto the forum and asking the same questions that are asked and answered every 2 weeks. It gets really annoying when the question is asked with an attitude of superiority like it's such a brilliant question that nobody has ever asked before. Personally, I just ignore those threads but I can understand if some posters respond rudely.

[iGROWyourBiz]

Asking stupid questions is one thing, but lately we've seen a lot of noobs coming onto the forum and asking the same questions that are asked and answered every 2 weeks. It gets really annoying when the question is asked with an attitude of superiority like it's such a brilliant question that nobody has ever asked before. Personally, I just ignore those threads but I can understand if some posters respond rudely.

and if Ebay takes bitcoins...and suddenly millions of people find out about bitcoin....what do you think is going to happen?


again - as a community -- customer service - friendliness to travelers and visitors is in the BTC communities best interest.


But hey, who cares about anyone but themselves, right?

[jonald_fyookball]

Asking stupid questions is one thing, but lately we've seen a lot of noobs coming onto the forum and asking the same questions that are asked and answered every 2 weeks. It gets really annoying when the question is asked with an attitude of superiority like it's such a brilliant question that nobody has ever asked before. Personally, I just ignore those threads but I can understand if some posters respond rudely.

again - as a community -- customer service - friendliness to travelers and visitors is in the BTC communities best interest.

Sure.  But the bitcoin forum is a microcosm of the bitcoin ecosystem.  I doubt our politeness (or lack of it lol) is going to make a huge difference to bitcoin adoption.  I could always be wrong.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Trolls attack enmasse all those who are "new" and drive away many big players who could make a big difference in adoption.

You spelled en masse incorrectly, thus probably shied away some big players who could have made a big difference in adoption.

[franky1]

the summary of this thread is this

everyone has an ego

noobs have the ego that they have just found some secret and that they are kings because they think they have just discovered it.
experts have the ego that they know better and that their 4 years of research shouldnt be given away freely to disrespectful and lazy noobs that dont want to learn the normal way.

in the middle is lots of trolling between the 2 sides

even "iGROWyourBiz" just as recently as 20 minutes ago from this message thought that he had discovered some brand new information that would make him famous by posting it. without even checking if its known info. (charlie shrems january arrest in regards to laundering funds)

which just proves that both noobs and experts have one thing in common. we are all flawed human beings and that bitcointalk is not a customer services department of a business, requiring politeness... but instead is a discussion forum for open opinions to be discussed.

[iGROWyourBiz]

the summary of this thread is this

everyone has an ego

noobs have the ego that they have just found some secret and that they are kings because they think they have just discovered it.
experts have the ego that they know better and that their 4 years of research shouldnt be given away freely to disrespectful and lazy noobs that dont want to learn the normal way.

in the middle is lots of trolling between the 2 sides

even "iGROWyourBiz" just as recently as 20 minutes ago from this message thought that he had discovered some brand new information that would make him famous by posting it. without even checking if its known info. (charlie shrems january arrest in regards to laundering funds)

which just proves at both noobs and experts have one thing in common. we are all flawed human beings and that bitcointalk is not a customer services department of a business, requiring politeness... but instead is a discussion forum for open onions to be discussed.

not everyone has big egos...but those with them think everyone else does...they are always wrong (result of the BIG EGO)

most new people are sincere, and though have "researched" still have questions (as all learning humans do) and look to those who have been around longer for help and assistance...especially on places like a "discussion forum"

real experts do not have egos - just the wannabes - who think they are special because they have tenure.  They assume anyone asking something they already know is "lazy" -- this is due to being blinded by narcissism.

A perfect example is Franky - -who thinks there is actually a "saying" about "being franked"...

Just 4 hours ago a news report came out. (about actual INDICTMENT of SHREMS - much different and much more serious than mere "arrest").  Franky assumed it was old news, mostly because he THINKS he is an expert and knows everything.  He saw some posts a few months ago about an arrest and thought that was the end of the story.  It was not.  And since it is an ongoing story - he did not realize that what was posted by iGROWyourBiz was actually an UPDATE....only a FEW HOURS OLD!

This just proves that the self-proclaimed experts do not understand some people already have enough "fame" and actually desire to contribute to the community, but trolls can't help but being trolls.

So while intelligent people discuss the ideas...the ignorant can not help themselves but discuss the people.

I think the young folk today have a saying about "haters gonna hate" or some such.  Franky I am sure there is a song about you.

[franky1]

meanwhile noobs make new threads instead of searching old topics and asking their question on those old threads or updating those old threads with more recent info, to make it easier for other noobs to find such info all in one place.

instead they make new posts to attempt to appear like they have discovered something to try not appearing noobish by trying to put their name against something in an attempt to show they knew something first, before anyone else.

this last 3 months there have been dozens of threads about china, dozens about gox, dozens about shrem and people still ask questions about all three topics. all because people would rather not search and update single threads. but try to put their name against a new thread, to appear masters of knowledge discovery

iGROWyourBiz has an ego trip. take for instance his message history. atleast 15 of his 70 messages are thread starters. where he is the OP.
thats a 25% rate. my rate of starting topics is 1.48%

also the topics iGROWyourBiz has written are in the majority, been talked about many times before. yet he has not taken the subtle advice to search before he speaks. instead he wants to pretend he knows more, has discovered things first. and not be treated like a noob.

and then also ignore the subtle hints that posting info on topics that already exists is not helpful for other noobs. which makes him a bad customer service rep for the company known as bitcoin which he is the director of (there, i gave him the title he so badly seems to need, may he now live in bliss as the new god of bitcoin)

i find it funny that noobs becomes insulting when information is not handed to them on a plate the instant they ask. oh and handed to them politely like a 5 star restaurant waiter would. hopefully all noobs would realize that they have not paid for any professional consultants services, and as such should not expect professional responses.. but to expect human responses.

[iGROWyourBiz]

meanwhile noobs make new threads instead of searching old topics and asking their question on those old threads or updating those old threads with more recent info, to make it easier for other noobs to find such info all in one place.

instead they make new posts to attempt to appear like they have discovered something to try not appearing noobish by trying to put their name against something in an attempt to show they knew something first, before anyone else.

this last 3 months there have been dozens of threads about china, dozens about gox, dozens about shrem and people still ask questions about all three topics. all because people would rather not search and update single threads. but try to put their name against a new thread, to appear masters of knowledge discovery

iGROWyourBiz has an ego trip. take for instance his message history. atleast 15 of his 70 messages are thread starters. where he is the OP.
thats a 25% rate. my rate of starting topics is 1.48%

also the topics iGROWyourBiz has written are in the majority, been talked about many times before. yet he has not taken the subtle advice to search before he speaks. instead he wants to pretend he knows more, has discovered things first. and not be treated like a noob.

and then also ignore the subtle hints that posting info on topics that already exists is not helpful for other noobs. which makes him a bad customer service rep for the company known as bitcoin which he is the director of (there, i gave him the title he so badly seems to need, may he now live in bliss as the new god of bitcoin)

i find it funny that noobs becomes insulting when information is not handed to them on a plate the instant they ask. oh and handed to them politely like a 5 star restaurant waiter would. hopefully all noobs would realize that they have not paid for any professional consultants services, and as such should not expect professional responses.. but to expect human responses.

wow -- i am not sure if I should be flattered or afraid of your interest in all things related to me....wow...bwahahahahahahahaha

[iGROWyourBiz]

thats a 25% rate. my rate of starting topics is 1.48%

I am willing to wager this phenom mimics both of us in real life also!

The difference in a leader and a follower - an originator and an instigator - a warrior and a troll!

[franky1]

thats a 25% rate. my rate of starting topics is 1.48%

I am willing to wager this phenom mimics both of us in real life also!

The difference in a leader and a follower - an originator and an instigator - a warrior and a troll!

yes ooh mighty lord, i shall stroke your ego, i shall follow you to the ends of the earth dear lord.
bless you for returning to earth after 2000 years.

... now STFU and crawl back under your bridge

[jonald_fyookball]

the summary of this thread is this

everyone has an ego

noobs have the ego that they have just found some secret and that they are kings because they think they have just discovered it.
experts have the ego that they know better and that their 4 years of research shouldnt be given away freely to disrespectful and lazy noobs that dont want to learn the normal way.

in the middle is lots of trolling between the 2 sides

even "iGROWyourBiz" just as recently as 20 minutes ago from this message thought that he had discovered some brand new information that would make him famous by posting it. without even checking if its known info. (charlie shrems january arrest in regards to laundering funds)

which just proves at both noobs and experts have one thing in common. we are all flawed human beings and that bitcointalk is not a customer services department of a business, requiring politeness... but instead is a discussion forum for open onions to be discussed.

not everyone has big egos...but those with them think everyone else does...they are always wrong (result of the BIG EGO)

most new people are sincere, and though have "researched" still have questions (as all learning humans do) and look to those who have been around longer for help and assistance...especially on places like a "discussion forum"

real experts do not have egos - just the wannabes - who think they are special because they have tenure.  They assume anyone asking something they already know is "lazy" -- this is due to being blinded by narcissism.

A perfect example is Franky - -who thinks there is actually a "saying" about "being franked"...

Just 4 hours ago a news report came out. (about actual INDICTMENT of SHREMS - much different and much more serious than mere "arrest").  Franky assumed it was old news, mostly because he THINKS he is an expert and knows everything.  He saw some posts a few months ago about an arrest and thought that was the end of the story.  It was not.  And since it is an ongoing story - he did not realize that what was posted by iGROWyourBiz was actually an UPDATE....only a FEW HOURS OLD!

This just proves that the self-proclaimed experts do not understand some people already have enough "fame" and actually desire to contribute to the community, but trolls can't help but being trolls.

So while intelligent people discuss the ideas...the ignorant can not help themselves but discuss the people.

I think the young folk today have a saying about "haters gonna hate" or some such.  Franky I am sure there is a song about you.

Ahh don't worry about it....  :-). We are all bitcoiners, we should all be on the same side.