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April 24, 2014, 12:56:57 PM
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You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.

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What did they do? The IPO went a bit twisted with the whole MSC/BTC conversion thing, but immoral ?
People are free to invest in whatever they like.....I I dont really see where you're going with this.



My next question, the elephant in the room: illegal content.

How is MS going to deal with this issue ?

I'm going to assume that individual users data will be encrypted, split and then distributed to the network, so that no single farmer will be hosting a complete copy of an individual users data. This will mean that any individual farmers drive will contain a mix of random chunks of various users data. This also means that no farmer will be hosting complete copies of illegal content, (hopefully, otherwise in deep shit)  but will open up all MS farmers/users and MS itself to government/law-enforcement scrutiny on this point.

I really cant see law enforcement allowing MS to roll this out without providing a backdoor for them to access/check content, but allowing a backdoor will kill the central points of security and anonymity. Has MS given any thought to this?

You can tell that NXT discussed this stuff a while ago.....



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April 24, 2014, 12:58:28 PM
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Hm, nice investigation. But who would send funds with open comments like that? Anyway, the 64 000 is a lot, but considering that a guy just paid 10 000 BTC for two pizzas a few years ago, it´s possible that an early adopter/miner has such a big stake.
Or those are the guys that stole the bitcoins from MtGox, as they also have to make "legal" bitcoins out of it somehow.
No, I just confirmed it. This are Mtgox's Bitcoins
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=400&filter=0 - MaidSafe
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KzHa54Qt7V75VmEsSjP2MddPxb7Mwr1fc
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Hi2bwsu3W3h7UDrbNUuxRG4x4s4HxtWo7
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1BH8FS6Yd9WvPZ1LDDWNpqXdzX8Q3freL9
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KGA7TLtUwjZuM5fyyYwGXfviPJdVCc8rY
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1TCEZsNRhcmx4jBtZr7jt1yM59dJXZKoe - 64,000 BTC
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Drt3c8pSdrkyjuBiwVcSSixZwQtMZ3Tew - Mtgox

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Did you really think that ALL the BTC invested in MaidSafe where from real people ?

Come on...


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I discovered this cause the movements were similar to Karpele's bot

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April 24, 2014, 01:04:02 PM
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You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.

I'm going to assume that individual users data will be encrypted, split and then distributed to the network, so that no single farmer will be hosting a complete copy of an individual users data. This will mean that any individual farmers drive will contain a mix of random chunks of various users data. This also means that no farmer will be hosting complete copies of illegal content, (hopefully, otherwise in deep shit)  but will open up all MS farmers/users and MS itself to government/law-enforcement scrutiny on this point.

I really cant see law enforcement allowing MS to roll this out without providing a backdoor for them to access/check content, but allowing a backdoor will kill the central points of security and anonymity. Has MS given any thought to this?

Yes, the data is always encrypted chunked compressed and obfuscated. A huge part of the crowd sale was the importance of making this a global community. So the community are now taking over, creating their own forums etc. We will assist in setting up international independent dev pools. This is our best protection as the code becomes more community owned and importantly community driven. When we have devs from all over the place working on the core then we will be protected against such issues. I would hope if MaidSafe were forced to put in a backdoor

1: I would certainly quit immediately

2: I think many, if not all staff would do likewise

3: The community would detect this and ban us from any repository immediately.

I have said to many people this is evolution, you cannot stop evolution. We all need to change our ways as new tech happens (bitcoin for instance). Sometimes the harder the man pushes the tougher the crowd becomes. I think natural evolution will give us a free Internet and this is our shot at it. Somebody else may do it better and that is cool, as long as it happens.  
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April 24, 2014, 01:33:29 PM
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With it being open source and developers from all over looking at the code to build apps on the platform that there won't be a back door for the NSA.  That is the beauty of open source. 

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April 24, 2014, 02:11:50 PM
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Furthermore, there is a level of replication such that even if nodes fail, the data will always be available in other nodes.  100% guarantee however is likely not possible.

100% isn't possible with centralized services either, almost by definition. Typical webhosts at best reach their advertised 99.9% uptime. Dropbox's servers could be hit by a nucular 'splosion.  Shocked

This is just a natural circumstance as long as we live in a material world.

The best way to make sure the safety of your own data in such P2P systems like MaidSafe is just to safe-keep them as a local copy (as you probably would anyway). That way you'll still have them and you'll be the last remaining and perfectly valid node if you're the only survivor of an apocalypse.

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April 24, 2014, 02:19:31 PM
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You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.

I'm going to assume that individual users data will be encrypted, split and then distributed to the network, so that no single farmer will be hosting a complete copy of an individual users data. This will mean that any individual farmers drive will contain a mix of random chunks of various users data. This also means that no farmer will be hosting complete copies of illegal content, (hopefully, otherwise in deep shit)  but will open up all MS farmers/users and MS itself to government/law-enforcement scrutiny on this point.

I really cant see law enforcement allowing MS to roll this out without providing a backdoor for them to access/check content, but allowing a backdoor will kill the central points of security and anonymity. Has MS given any thought to this?

Yes, the data is always encrypted chunked compressed and obfuscated. A huge part of the crowd sale was the importance of making this a global community. So the community are now taking over, creating their own forums etc. We will assist in setting up international independent dev pools. This is our best protection as the code becomes more community owned and importantly community driven. When we have devs from all over the place working on the core then we will be protected against such issues. I would hope if MaidSafe were forced to put in a backdoor

1: I would certainly quit immediately

2: I think many, if not all staff would do likewise

3: The community would detect this and ban us from any repository immediately.

I have said to many people this is evolution, you cannot stop evolution. We all need to change our ways as new tech happens (bitcoin for instance). Sometimes the harder the man pushes the tougher the crowd becomes. I think natural evolution will give us a free Internet and this is our shot at it. Somebody else may do it better and that is cool, as long as it happens.  


What is not clear to me here is the notion of apps?  I can see apps that use maidsafe as its storage / backup mechanism,  however does this network support arbitrary apps on a  decentralized manner?



      
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April 24, 2014, 02:36:42 PM
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Along the present, more practical lines, when are my Safecoins going to show up in my Masterchest wallet?

If that's not how it works, how do I access my Safecoins?

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April 24, 2014, 03:33:05 PM
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With it being open source and developers from all over looking at the code to build apps on the platform that there won't be a back door for the NSA.  That is the beauty of open source.  

it took 2 years before the heartbleed "bug" was discovered. tell me more about the beauty of open source.

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April 24, 2014, 03:53:42 PM
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Ipo is too expensive and they are manipulate the market. The latter one makes people whether this project is just a scam in order to pump MSC.

This. The have no idea on how to price the safecoins in the future, "the market will found out" they said.
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April 24, 2014, 07:56:06 PM
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What is not clear to me here is the notion of apps?  I can see apps that use maidsafe as its storage / backup mechanism,  however does this network support arbitrary apps on a  decentralized manner?



I think the apps can be built to make api calls to data sets.

aslo the the other person ITT
you wont be able to prove that anyone stores anything on maid safe due to end to end encryption.
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April 24, 2014, 08:01:20 PM
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Going back to the legal aspects: i wouldn't worry about the NSA too much. If they want access, they'll get it. Probably already have, given the age of the project.
And providing that you aren't tagged as a "terrorist" by the US gov, it shouldn't be a problem for the average user or Maidsafe itself

I'd be more worried about Sony, tbh. Every dropbox system ever created has been used by the warez scene (remember the Yahoo Briefcase, godabuzz fans?) and an encrypted, decentralised, anonymous storage system certainly offers possiblities for the illegal sharing of copyright content.
If Sony (or any other big music/software/movie company) felt that MS was stepping on their toes in any way, the central core of the MS project will be an easy legal target, and Sony has resources that make the $12 million (?) from the IPO look like coffee money.
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The same problem also arises with law enforcement /police agencies: individual users may well be able to remain relatively anonymous, but the public head of the MS project is always going to be an easy target.

Any MS guys with ideas about this ?

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April 24, 2014, 09:17:28 PM
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Hm, nice investigation. But who would send funds with open comments like that? Anyway, the 64 000 is a lot, but considering that a guy just paid 10 000 BTC for two pizzas a few years ago, it´s possible that an early adopter/miner has such a big stake.
Or those are the guys that stole the bitcoins from MtGox, as they also have to make "legal" bitcoins out of it somehow.
No, I just confirmed it. This are Mtgox's Bitcoins
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=400&filter=0 - MaidSafe
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KzHa54Qt7V75VmEsSjP2MddPxb7Mwr1fc
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Hi2bwsu3W3h7UDrbNUuxRG4x4s4HxtWo7
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1BH8FS6Yd9WvPZ1LDDWNpqXdzX8Q3freL9
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KGA7TLtUwjZuM5fyyYwGXfviPJdVCc8rY
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1TCEZsNRhcmx4jBtZr7jt1yM59dJXZKoe - 64,000 BTC
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Drt3c8pSdrkyjuBiwVcSSixZwQtMZ3Tew - Mtgox

LOL

Did you really think that ALL the BTC invested in MaidSafe where from real people ?

Come on...


I'm a fucking genius

I discovered this cause the movements were similar to Karpele's bot



SOB, I found the same independently less than an hour ago, just now finding this post.
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April 24, 2014, 09:21:11 PM
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Hm, nice investigation. But who would send funds with open comments like that? Anyway, the 64 000 is a lot, but considering that a guy just paid 10 000 BTC for two pizzas a few years ago, it´s possible that an early adopter/miner has such a big stake.
Or those are the guys that stole the bitcoins from MtGox, as they also have to make "legal" bitcoins out of it somehow.
No, I just confirmed it. This are Mtgox's Bitcoins
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=400&filter=0 - MaidSafe
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KzHa54Qt7V75VmEsSjP2MddPxb7Mwr1fc
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Hi2bwsu3W3h7UDrbNUuxRG4x4s4HxtWo7
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1BH8FS6Yd9WvPZ1LDDWNpqXdzX8Q3freL9
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KGA7TLtUwjZuM5fyyYwGXfviPJdVCc8rY
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1TCEZsNRhcmx4jBtZr7jt1yM59dJXZKoe - 64,000 BTC
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Drt3c8pSdrkyjuBiwVcSSixZwQtMZ3Tew - Mtgox

LOL

Did you really think that ALL the BTC invested in MaidSafe where from real people ?

Come on...


I'm a fucking genius

I discovered this cause the movements were similar to Karpele's bot



SOB, I found the same independently less than an hour ago, just now finding this post.

It might not be what it seems: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582836.msg6375687#msg6375687

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April 24, 2014, 09:26:17 PM
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Why would I want to pay for their decentralized internet?

Haven't people heard of I2P?

isn't tor better?
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April 25, 2014, 02:51:17 AM
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With it being open source and developers from all over looking at the code to build apps on the platform that there won't be a back door for the NSA.  That is the beauty of open source.  

it took 2 years before the heartbleed "bug" was discovered. tell me more about the beauty of open source.

Wow! I would have never guessed that something like open source heartbleed could have been found that fast.

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April 25, 2014, 09:49:13 AM
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isn't tor better?

Tor is something different. Tor tries to patch the architecture of the web, which is essentially broken. The web as we know and use it today was never designed with things like privacy and security through end-to-end encryption in mind.

What the peer-to-peer architecture of projects like MaidSafe do is they abstract content and services away from (physical) web servers. Just like with BitTorrent, you just want to see the latest movie or cat video and you don't (want to) care if it's located on a server called "youtube.com" in California (or "fuckit8df9zs8dfz9s.onion" for that matter). Here it's rather that content, media, services and also "apps" will be searchable by tags and names (namecoin?) and be streamed to you through peers in an encrypted P2P cloud.

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April 26, 2014, 06:42:16 AM
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So I forgot to ask but how long until we see this working in practice now that the IPO's are closed
Aka how long to build the stage now with the funding completed.
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April 26, 2014, 09:44:51 AM
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How come nobody's talking about this? http://maidsafe.net
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)
Maidsafe coin is a very innovative, but earnings should be small

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April 26, 2014, 09:48:22 AM
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I do not think safecoin has such a high value,tons of trolls

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April 26, 2014, 12:15:56 PM
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With it being open source and developers from all over looking at the code to build apps on the platform that there won't be a back door for the NSA.  That is the beauty of open source.  

it took 2 years before the heartbleed "bug" was discovered. tell me more about the beauty of open source.
the heartbleed "bug" was discovered. That the beauty of open source. [there fixed that for you]
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