Maidsafe

[removebeforeflight]

How come nobody's talking about this? http://maidsafe.net
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)

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[tins]

How come nobody's talking about this?
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)

I do not know of what you are speaking.
Please, explain.

[removebeforeflight]

Proof of storage. Just added url.

[crimealone]

Ipo is too expensive and they are manipulate the market. The latter one makes people whether this project is just a scam in order to pump MSC.

[kwukduck]

I guess these guys have never heard of FreeNet.
ohh Hello, they have been around since 2001 i think...

[jonald_fyookball]

Then how come no one is talking about freenet

[Michael Robinson]

I am trying to figure out if spending Bitcoin to buy Safecoin is a good idea or not.  They say there is going to be a grand total of roughly 4.3 billion Safecoin.  Right now they are offering 17,000 of them for 1 Bitcoin. 

4,300,000,000/17,000 = 252,941

So for 1 Bitcoin out of 21 million Bitcoins you can have the equivalent of 1 Safecoin out of 252,941 Safecoins.  So what is a Safecoin?  Is it actually a partial ownership in the "company"?  The "company's" value will be the total value of all Safecoins?  So for 1 Bitcoin *$500 right now* I could own 1/250,000th of a company that could potentially be worth unfathomably more than that?  That sounds like a decent bet, I might take them up on it, but only if I am understanding it correctly.  Am I understanding it correctly?

I am also curious, how powerful are their patents?  With Bitcoin no patents are involved, so anybody can pretty much copy any/all of it, so a bajillion competitors could pop up and do the same thing, or even do it better, which is one of the inherent risks with Bitcoin.  Will the Maidsafe patents make it invulernable to this risk?  Even with the patents, could other people still copy it anyways?  How enforceable are the patents?

Anybody help me understand this?

[jonald_fyookball]

Bitcoin has a high value because of its network of miners (which provide security), merchants, exchanges, wallet solutions, community, reputation, history, and other intangibles. 

Many altcoins piggyback off of bitcoin's code but only have a tiny fraction of its value because they lack those qualities.

In the world of cryptocurrency, bitcoin is the undisputed champ, and the most solid investment.

As for maidsafe, I haven't investigated it.  If bitcoin is considered risky by traditional standards, then maidsafe doubly so.

I don't invest in altcoins.  Some do, though.  If you really believe in the innovation and predict it will adopted and rise in value, go for it.

[inBitweTrust]

I am trying to figure out if spending Bitcoin to buy Safecoin is a good idea or not.  They say there is going to be a grand total of roughly 4.3 billion Safecoin.  Right now they are offering 17,000 of them for 1 Bitcoin. 

4,300,000,000/17,000 = 252,941

So for 1 Bitcoin out of 21 million Bitcoins you can have the equivalent of 1 Safecoin out of 252,941 Safecoins.  So what is a Safecoin?  Is it actually a partial ownership in the "company"?  The "company's" value will be the total value of all Safecoins?  So for 1 Bitcoin *$500 right now* I could own 1/250,000th of a company that could potentially be worth unfathomably more than that?  That sounds like a decent bet, I might take them up on it, but only if I am understanding it correctly.  Am I understanding it correctly?

I am also curious, how powerful are their patents?  With Bitcoin no patents are involved, so anybody can pretty much copy any/all of it, so a bajillion competitors could pop up and do the same thing, or even do it better, which is one of the inherent risks with Bitcoin.  Will the Maidsafe patents make it invulernable to this risk?  Even with the patents, could other people still copy it anyways?  How enforceable are the patents?

Anybody help me understand this?

There are definitely some unique distinctions with Maidsafe as opposed to Freenet with its proof or resource incentive's but the valuation seems high at 126 million for a new company without any guarantees on profitability or future acceptance.

4,300,000,000/17,000 = 252,941 x 500USD = 126,470,500.

Very risky.

Looks like they are using a combination of opensource GPL3 with releasing some software under their own commercial license - http://maidsafe.net/licenses/LICENSE.txt and charging for profit company's 1% as well as a means of future revenue generation.

The risk I would suggest as an investor is the opensource code being forked onto a bitcoin side-chain where there is no IPO buy in of 10%(possibly more with bonus structure??) and 15 % allocated for developers (I'm assuming they will control these funds too?).

[go1111111]

Maybe because the name is pretty dumb. Can you imagine if the next version of the Internet had the word "maid" as part of its name?

[BADecker]

This thread will probably be relocated by the forum administrators.

MaidSafe is about encrypting the whole Internet in such a way that your password never leaves your computer,

decentralizing the Internet by eliminating the need for the 13 root servers worldwide,

letting average people donate bandwidth and disk space to make up for the loss of the 13 root servers,

paying the donators in Safecoins,

splitting data up (chunking) in such a way that there is no centralized "place" for websites or even longer emails,

yet letting you control your whole chunked website and Internet info via passwords, etc.,

allowing free apps to be built on top of the MaidSafe protocol, like a new Youtube, Facebook, Dropbox, etc.,

accepting payment only when your apps make money,

on your honor for the payment.

Personally, while I intend to invest, they have received several $million already, but they do not have any of their REAL program/protocol available yet. And all that in 8 years. With the advent of MaidSafecoin (precursor to Safecoin), they will receive several more $millions in value. Until we see results in some form of protocol, they don't seem to have anything of value outside of the idea and the patents. So, I DO have question.

This is something like any investment. One never knows about a penny stock, but many of us invest anyway. MaidSafe will be entirely separate from Bitcoin, and is somewhat different from anything else out there. Yet it has aspects of all the others. Investing in Bitcoin in the early days was a risk. Many people still think Bitcoin is a scam.

MaidSafe is claiming that the patents don't limit anyone from building and using the protocol on their own. In fact, they seem to be encouraging others to do it and to do it better. The patents are only there so that nobody else can patent it and use the patents to stop MaidSafe.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[dirvine]

This thread will probably be relocated by the forum administrators.

MaidSafe is about encrypting the whole Internet in such a way that your password never leaves your computer,

decentralizing the Internet by eliminating the need for the 13 root servers worldwide,

letting average people donate bandwidth and disk space to make up for the loss of the 13 root servers,

paying the donators in Safecoins,

splitting data up (chunking) in such a way that there is no centralized "place" for websites or even longer emails,

yet letting you control your whole chunked website and Internet info via passwords, etc.,

allowing free apps to be built on top of the MaidSafe protocol, like a new Youtube, Facebook, Dropbox, etc.,

accepting payment only when your apps make money,

on your honor for the payment.

Personally, while I intend to invest, they have received several $million already, but they do not have any of their REAL program/protocol available yet. And all that in 8 years. With the advent of MaidSafecoin (precursor to Safecoin), they will receive several more $millions in value. Until we see results in some form of protocol, they don't seem to have anything of value outside of the idea and the patents. So, I DO have question.

This is something like any investment. One never knows about a penny stock, but many of us invest anyway. MaidSafe will be entirely separate from Bitcoin, and is somewhat different from anything else out there. Yet it has aspects of all the others. Investing in Bitcoin in the early days was a risk. Many people still think Bitcoin is a scam.

MaidSafe is claiming that the patents don't limit anyone from building and using the protocol on their own. In fact, they seem to be encouraging others to do it and to do it better. The patents are only there so that nobody else can patent it and use the patents to stop MaidSafe.

Correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct, some of the patents cover some bitcoin related parts (possibly) and help protect that too, we are in talks with CODA about an IP pool to protect all decentralised apps. It's important in today's world any advances are not closed down with some patent trolls. It can happen and we have to ensure we are all SAFE (sorry).  None of the sale is founders shares, proceeds will actually be used to create competitors to MaidSafe itself, which is unusual but very important we feel.

[mdotstrange]

So I'm on http://www.buysafecoins.com/ with my bitcoins ready to invest but there's no btc address 

[superresistant]

Then how come no one is talking about freenet

Rule number 1 : Never talk about freenet
Rule number 2 : Never talk about freenet
Rule number 3 : Never talk about freenet

[Elwar]

So I'm on http://www.buysafecoins.com/ with my bitcoins ready to invest but there's no btc address 

It is: 1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E

Verify on the website before sending.

[superresistant]

For the people that don't understand, it is very likely to be a scam :

The idea of paying for a decentralized peer-to-peer Internet is totally contradictory. If you get money to run nodes, then you'll inevitably end up with centralised nodes !

The fact that this copy of freenet omit to quote freenet and claim to be a new idea is the proof that MaidSafe is highly dodgy.

It could also be a manipulation to pump the price of MasterCoin up as the price per MSC is fixed.

[BADecker]

For the people that don't understand, it is very likely to be a scam :

The idea of paying for a decentralized peer-to-peer Internet is totally contradictory. If you get money to run nodes, then you'll inevitably end up with centralised nodes !

The fact that this copy of freenet omit to quote freenet and claim to be a new idea is the proof that MaidSafe is highly dodgy.

It could also be a manipulation to pump the price of MasterCoin up as the price per MSC is fixed.

While it may well be a scam, it is possible to be decentralized because of the chunking, and the passwords being located only on your computer. In addition, it is unlikely that all the nodes will wind up in some central area. While many of the nodes might be centralized, the whole thing will be located on many times the 13 root servers. Parts of it will always be located on lots of little home computers located all over the place. Will the centralizing that will inevitably happen be enough to overcome the separate nodes of all the little home computers? Even if it is, there should be enough to keep the Internet decentralized. And because of the chunking, the only advantage that the centralization might have is to be a complete on/off switch, rather than a blocking of particular websites or email services.

[mdotstrange]

So I'm on http://www.buysafecoins.com/ with my bitcoins ready to invest but there's no btc address 

It is: 1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E

Verify on the website before sending.

Thanks! Yep I sent my btc in maybe 5 minutes after the address went up- it was at $80,000 then now its over $1,050,000 0_0

[yayayo]

Maidsafe is an interesting project. I think it will excel in an area where freenet fails: Accessibility and usability. Installing and configuring freenet is a quirky process. Also maidsafe provides a more flexible and generalized platform for applications than freenet.

Of course a good idea is not necessarily a good investment. A the moment without a finished product valuation seems rather ambitious.


ya.ya.yo!

[superresistant]

For the people that don't understand, it is very likely to be a scam :
The idea of paying for a decentralized peer-to-peer Internet is totally contradictory. If you get money to run nodes, then you'll inevitably end up with centralised nodes !
The fact that this copy of freenet omit to quote freenet and claim to be a new idea is the proof that MaidSafe is highly dodgy.
It could also be a manipulation to pump the price of MasterCoin up as the price per MSC is fixed.

While it may well be a scam, it is possible to be decentralized because of the chunking, and the passwords being located only on your computer. In addition, it is unlikely that all the nodes will wind up in some central area. While many of the nodes might be centralized, the whole thing will be located on many times the 13 root servers. Parts of it will always be located on lots of little home computers located all over the place. Will the centralizing that will inevitably happen be enough to overcome the separate nodes of all the little home computers? Even if it is, there should be enough to keep the Internet decentralized. And because of the chunking, the only advantage that the centralization might have is to be a complete on/off switch, rather than a blocking of particular websites or email services.

As the network will become centralised, it will be possible to know which chunk come from where and maybe access some data.
Also data could be simply deleted and lost.
Any network involving cryptocurrency become centralised because of the competition for money.

I've just seen this :
The MaidSafe Foundation, a registered charity, actually own the patents.
In order to use MaidSafe, you have to trust The MaidSafe Foundation who is simply the MaidSafe staff.

It is against the idea of decentralized and free Internet. MaidSafe aim to replace Internet by making it centralised. This is absurd.
MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.

[BADecker]

For the people that don't understand, it is very likely to be a scam :
The idea of paying for a decentralized peer-to-peer Internet is totally contradictory. If you get money to run nodes, then you'll inevitably end up with centralised nodes !
The fact that this copy of freenet omit to quote freenet and claim to be a new idea is the proof that MaidSafe is highly dodgy.
It could also be a manipulation to pump the price of MasterCoin up as the price per MSC is fixed.

While it may well be a scam, it is possible to be decentralized because of the chunking, and the passwords being located only on your computer. In addition, it is unlikely that all the nodes will wind up in some central area. While many of the nodes might be centralized, the whole thing will be located on many times the 13 root servers. Parts of it will always be located on lots of little home computers located all over the place. Will the centralizing that will inevitably happen be enough to overcome the separate nodes of all the little home computers? Even if it is, there should be enough to keep the Internet decentralized. And because of the chunking, the only advantage that the centralization might have is to be a complete on/off switch, rather than a blocking of particular websites or email services.

As the network will become centralised, it will be possible to know which chunk come from where and maybe access some data.
Also data could be simply deleted and lost.
Any network involving cryptocurrency become centralised because of the competition for money.

I've just seen this :
The MaidSafe Foundation, a registered charity, actually own the patents.
In order to use MaidSafe, you have to trust The MaidSafe Foundation who is simply the MaidSafe staff.

It is against the idea of decentralized and free Internet. MaidSafe aim to replace Internet by making it centralised. This is absurd.
MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.

I agree with the potential for most of what you say. However, if they happen to be altruistically minded, the benefit they offer will be tremendous, if they ever get their coding/scripting done so that people can use it.

We all need to keep whatever programming we design, cached/saved on our own computers. Then, in the future, if Maidsafe turns out to be a bunch of greedy dogs, all we need to do is go back to the old way we did it.

As dirvine said above, "None of the sale is founders shares, proceeds will actually be used to create competitors to MaidSafe itself, which is unusual but very important we feel." So, if the ability to fork MaidSafe is NOT allowed freely in the future, and if, as he said, "... we are in talks with CODA about an IP pool to protect all decentralised apps," is not something that is to be applied to the public domain, we will all see it before we get a long way into using the MaidSafe protocol, and we will abandon it.

The potential benefit is great, while the dangers are limited by our vigilance.



EDIT: True, MaidSafe could DECLARE that the patents are in the public domain with signed paperwork to that effect.

[pandacoin]

Isn't it some kind of altcoin discussion?

[BADecker]

Isn't it some kind of altcoin discussion?

MaidSafe is/will be a decentralized Internet. They are/will be starting their own cryptocurrency called Safecoin. Only the future will tell if what they are doing will work or not.

[pandacoin]

Okay, so Safecoin is the new altcoin. I still don't know how this topic is related to Bitcoin discussion.
Besides all, MaidSafe name is a bad choice, they need to rename it.

[herzmeister]

How is that "proof of resource" thing supposed to work? Bandwidth, storage space etc can easily be spoofed or faked. Only computing power cannot be tampered with, as at the end of the day it is the consumption of pure entropy.

If they really have found a way to reach a consensus without the need for burning CPU cycles, and without fragile proof of stake / web of trust approaches, then indeed that might turn out to be a Bitcoin killer.

[liondani]

Anybody knows what is happening? Why maidsafe don't list the mastercoin address  1ARjWDkZ7kT9fwjPrjcQyvbXDkEySzKHwu anymore and continue to list only  the bitcoin address  1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E  for fundraising?  Have they problems with the particular address due to traffic or something like that or could it be something "bigger" than that ?


PS until now (2 hours) they received about $1.200.000 only from bitcoins*
I suppose they have get more from mastercoins due the best deal for fundraisers...

PS2 After they taked the mastercoin address out MSC price has dropped from 0.17 btc to 0.09 btc !!!

* https://blockchain.info/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=0&filter=0

[superresistant]

Anybody knows what is happening? Why maidsafe don't list the mastercoin address  1ARjWDkZ7kT9fwjPrjcQyvbXDkEySzKHwu anymore and continue to list only  the bitcoin address  1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E  for fundraising?  Have they problems with the particular address due to traffic or something like that or could it be something "bigger" than that ?
PS until now (2 hours) they received about $1.200.000 only from bitcoins*
I suppose they have get more from mastercoins due the best deal for fundraisers...
PS2 After they taked the mastercoin address out MSC price has dropped from 0.17 btc to 0.09 btc !!!
* https://blockchain.info/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=0&filter=0

Genius scammers. Unbelievable.

They planned in advance to pump&dump Mastercoin to make even more money.

[BADecker]

I am waiting to see my Safecoins in my Mastercoin protocol. It was a gamble, and it isn't over yet.

[wheresmycoin]

So who's going to be the guy to start minting the physicals?

[crimealone]

Anybody knows what is happening? Why maidsafe don't list the mastercoin address  1ARjWDkZ7kT9fwjPrjcQyvbXDkEySzKHwu anymore and continue to list only  the bitcoin address  1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E  for fundraising?  Have they problems with the particular address due to traffic or something like that or could it be something "bigger" than that ?
PS until now (2 hours) they received about $1.200.000 only from bitcoins*
I suppose they have get more from mastercoins due the best deal for fundraisers...
PS2 After they taked the mastercoin address out MSC price has dropped from 0.17 btc to 0.09 btc !!!
* https://blockchain.info/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=0&filter=0

Genius scammers. Unbelievable.

They planned in advance to pump&dump Mastercoin to make even more money.

From the start, what they are doing is manipulating the market. I don't think a promising project's dev would do something like this to make their coin become notorious》

[liondani]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577149.new#new

[TaunSew]

There's already a google wallet and Amazon coins.  Then there's Ripple and Marinecoin.  We don't need another rigged
Scam corporate coin like safecoin.

[EvilDave]

1.2 million in BTC for vaporware given to a charity with no legal comebacks......I really need to run an IPO.
Anyone want some EvilCoin?

[yayayo]

1.2 million in BTC for vaporware given to a charity with no legal comebacks......I really need to run an IPO.
Anyone want some EvilCoin?

Wrong branding. "DaveSafe" would be a better name - even a honest one.

I don't know if it's vaporware, but it's too expensive given the unknown status of the project imho.

ya.ya.yo!

[dirvine]

I am waiting to see my Safecoins in my Mastercoin protocol. It was a gamble, and it isn't over yet.

Thanks ;-) we are processing the BTC manually now with the help of the Master Protocol team, it was a rush for sure. We had and are having a few issues with omiwallet and I think the master exchanges are having some sync issues (if you used MSC to buy in). We have everything recoded though and the blockchain does to. Pretty leading edge for sure but it's secure. That's our main priority. I hope by end of today we have all the transactions done. Omiwallet needs to sync with a system that's under stress at the moment, it will hopefully resolve soon. Anyhow we are processing the inputs and the guys should have an on line spreadsheet showing the manual orders being processed as they are done. I do know they said it was painful, I am heading to the office to see if I can help now (3am, tired staff need coffee).  This is where though the blockchain is great, we can audit everything and make sure nobody loses out.

Thanks again

[FrictionlessCoin]

1.2 million in BTC for vaporware given to a charity with no legal comebacks......I really need to run an IPO.
Anyone want some EvilCoin?

Clueless as usual.

[CounterpartyCapital]

Hello friends    there is a trading thread here now you know 

I just opened one!  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580928.msg6348002#msg6348002

[TaunSew]

1.2 million in BTC for vaporware given to a charity with no legal comebacks......I really need to run an IPO.
Anyone want some EvilCoin?

Clueless as usual.

How so?  Maid Safe has been 8 years in development and it'll likely never release.  Everyone just gave these guys over a $1 million, that'll likely pay the six figure salaries for the developers for years to come.

[pandacoin]

I can't believe how people fall for these scams.

[FrictionlessCoin]

1.2 million in BTC for vaporware given to a charity with no legal comebacks......I really need to run an IPO.
Anyone want some EvilCoin?

Clueless as usual.

How so?  Maid Safe has been 8 years in development and it'll likely never release.  Everyone just gave these guys over a $1 million, that'll likely pay the six figure salaries for the developers for years to come.

Have you read the papers?

Have you looked at the code in GitHub?

Have you met David Irvine?

So you really are unqualified to make that judgement on whether $1 million (actually $2.5 million in BTC) was worth it.   Reality check,  VCs spend tens of millions on companies that go nowhere every day. 

These folks seem to have a system where resources contributed to the network add to the value of the network.  Unlike BTC, where mining just usually goes to waste energy.

Anyway,  I'm an investor here.  So if it pops like Ripple, then we are talking here of about a 10x gain at least.

[2Kool4Skewl]

This is like a bad joke.

[crimealone]

1.2 million in BTC for vaporware given to a charity with no legal comebacks......I really need to run an IPO.
Anyone want some EvilCoin?

Clueless as usual.

How so?  Maid Safe has been 8 years in development and it'll likely never release.  Everyone just gave these guys over a $1 million, that'll likely pay the six figure salaries for the developers for years to come.

Have you read the papers?

Have you looked at the code in GitHub?

Have you met David Irvine?

So you really are unqualified to make that judgement on whether $1 million (actually $2.5 million in BTC) was worth it.   Reality check,  VCs spend tens of millions on companies that go nowhere every day. 

These folks seem to have a system where resources contributed to the network add to the value of the network.  Unlike BTC, where mining just usually goes to waste energy.

Anyway,  I'm an investor here.  So if it pops like Ripple, then we are talking here of about a 10x gain at least.

I heard from others that dev use crowd sale mastercoins to buy safecoins. I saw the mastercoin's block and found that there were about 20000 mastercoins were transfered out then in. Did ripple guys do dirty things like this?

[hashtag101]

Amazing, truly amazing

[BADecker]

I am waiting to see my Safecoins in my Mastercoin protocol. It was a gamble, and it isn't over yet.

Thanks ;-) we are processing the BTC manually now with the help of the Master Protocol team, it was a rush for sure. We had and are having a few issues with omiwallet and I think the master exchanges are having some sync issues (if you used MSC to buy in). We have everything recoded though and the blockchain does to. Pretty leading edge for sure but it's secure. That's our main priority. I hope by end of today we have all the transactions done. Omiwallet needs to sync with a system that's under stress at the moment, it will hopefully resolve soon. Anyhow we are processing the inputs and the guys should have an on line spreadsheet showing the manual orders being processed as they are done. I do know they said it was painful, I am heading to the office to see if I can help now (3am, tired staff need coffee).  This is where though the blockchain is great, we can audit everything and make sure nobody loses out.

Thanks again

Is the crowd funder over now? I might throw in a bitcoin or two, but would like to know if I can still purchase some Safecoins. The website still has the address posted, I don't know if the cap has been reached.

From http://www.safecoin.io/:

If your funds are returned to you it is either because you have sent currency to the wrong exodus address, e.g. mastercoin to the bitcoin address, or all coins have been sold and the sale has ended.

...

Have you read the papers?

Have you looked at the code in GitHub?

Have you met David Irvine?

So you really are unqualified to make that judgement on whether $1 million (actually $2.5 million in BTC) was worth it.   Reality check,  VCs spend tens of millions on companies that go nowhere every day.  

These folks seem to have a system where resources contributed to the network add to the value of the network.  Unlike BTC, where mining just usually goes to waste energy.

Anyway,  I'm an investor here.  So if it pops like Ripple, then we are talking here of about a 10x gain at least.

Here are some folks who have done somewhat of an in-depth research on this:

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/153829-2014-04-13-launching-pad-is-set-for-maidsafe-and-safecoin-april-22nd.htm

[Swordsoffreedom]

How come nobody's talking about this? http://maidsafe.net
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)

People were talking about it the IPO pretty much is nearly sold out
Or I guess not really an IPO crowdfunding project
It is interesting stuff

[prophetx]

1.2 million in BTC for vaporware given to a charity with no legal comebacks......I really need to run an IPO.
Anyone want some EvilCoin?

Clueless as usual.

How so?  Maid Safe has been 8 years in development and it'll likely never release.  Everyone just gave these guys over a $1 million, that'll likely pay the six figure salaries for the developers for years to come.

Have you read the papers?

Have you looked at the code in GitHub?

Have you met David Irvine?

So you really are unqualified to make that judgement on whether $1 million (actually $2.5 million in BTC) was worth it.   Reality check,  VCs spend tens of millions on companies that go nowhere every day. 

These folks seem to have a system where resources contributed to the network add to the value of the network.  Unlike BTC, where mining just usually goes to waste energy.

Anyway,  I'm an investor here.  So if it pops like Ripple, then we are talking here of about a 10x gain at least.

I heard from others that dev use crowd sale mastercoins to buy safecoins. I saw the mastercoin's block and found that there were about 20000 mastercoins were transfered out then in. Did ripple guys do dirty things like this?

this tx was for the people that sent in 5000+ btc to get converted into maidsafecoin

[jabo38]

The website says, "To balance this, we decided to purchase all remaining MSAFE coins to ensure that backers who sent their bitcoins would have their orders fulfilled. This does mean that we can still accept bitcoin orders until the cut-off point at ~6000BTC." And they are at 5698 at the time of writing this.  Pretty amazing IPO.  https://blockchain.info/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=0&filter=0

Lots of people screaming scam, but I was impressed enough to send in some bitcoin. :-)

[FrictionlessCoin]

For the people that don't understand, it is very likely to be a scam :

The idea of paying for a decentralized peer-to-peer Internet is totally contradictory. If you get money to run nodes, then you'll inevitably end up with centralised nodes !

The fact that this copy of freenet omit to quote freenet and claim to be a new idea is the proof that MaidSafe is highly dodgy.

It could also be a manipulation to pump the price of MasterCoin up as the price per MSC is fixed.

The whole point of safecoin is that when you contribute a node, the P2P is enhanced.

Similar to Bitcoin in the sense that when you mine the coin, the P2P network becomes more secure.

Different from Bitcoin is that your node does contribute real value in terms of storage (and possibly other resources in the future).

I heard David Irvine speak and he sounds very idealistic and is on a mission.

[crunchynut]

omg! does it mean that when somebody decides to store some child porn in this decentralized dystopia of yours, everybody in the network will have some child porn on his pc?

no wonder that "THEY" are pushing this stuff that much. once established they don't need any secret police as every critic can be legally thrown into jail for child abuse.

[jabo38]

I am a little worried about this issue.  I am all for the rights and freedoms of people to do what they want, but when it comes to hurting children, I don't approve at all nor do I want to indirectly support that kind of thing.  The first thing that came to mind with this project was drugs, porn, sex, terrorism, and gambling.  I don't know if I really want my computer to be supporting that network.  At the same time I am not sure if there is anyway to tell just what my computer is supporting or not supporting as it is all encrypted and chopped in bits.  But enabling a network to do encourage the abuse of children isn't cool at all.  I am all for being able to go to political sites and send messages to my friends without google profiling me for adds and the NSA connecting all the dots of my existence, but at what cost?  For now, I am definitely supporting the maidsafe platform and hope that internally they can find ways to deal with certain distasteful issues. 

[BADecker]

omg! does it mean that when somebody decides to store some child porn in this decentralized dystopia of yours, everybody in the network will have some child porn on his pc?

Yep. It's a distinct possibility. However, if your computer has any porn on it this way, nobody will know it, because it will be encrypted and chunked.

no wonder that "THEY" are pushing this stuff that much. once established they don't need any secret police as every critic can be legally thrown into jail for child abuse.

If you force the issue with them, they have the burden not only of proof, but that you knowingly did it, and that you were actively pursuing illegal activity. Not all computers will necessarily have porn on them. So, they will need to prove yours does.

[BADecker]

I am a little worried about this issue.  I am all for the rights and freedoms of people to do what they want, but when it comes to hurting children, I don't approve at all nor do I want to indirectly support that kind of thing.  The first thing that came to mind with this project was drugs, porn, sex, terrorism, and gambling.  I don't know if I really want my computer to be supporting that network.  At the same time I am not sure if there is anyway to tell just what my computer is supporting or not supporting as it is all encrypted and chopped in bits.  But enabling a network to do encourage the abuse of children isn't cool at all.  I am all for being able to go to political sites and send messages to my friends without google profiling me for adds and the NSA connecting all the dots of my existence, but at what cost?  For now, I am definitely supporting the maidsafe platform and hope that internally they can find ways to deal with certain distasteful issues.  

The advent of MaidSafe in no way requires you to become part of their network. So you do not need to come that close to them. However, if you pay your legal taxes, you are supporting a whole lot of Government Senators and Congressmen who are into child porn right now. Your best bet - if you are not going to actively fight it - is to move to a deserted part of the world, live off the land, shut down all your interaction with society, and hope nobody ever comes for you. Otherwise you are going to be getting your hands dirty, accidentally, a little bit all the time, right now, without MaidSafe.

[crunchynut]

omg! does it mean that when somebody decides to store some child porn in this decentralized dystopia of yours, everybody in the network will have some child porn on his pc?

Yep. It's a distinct possibility. However, if your computer has any porn on it this way, nobody will know it, because it will be encrypted and chunked.

as a normal citizen, my concern already starts with the fact that there could be child porn on my computer and my activities could support child abuse. it does not start with the question whether somebody is able to discover this kind of sick content on my computer.

[TaunSew]

It's a legal issue and an appeal issue.  How many use TOR and how many companies would ditch their servers for a decentralized one?  Never mind the legal and ethical aspects as previously mentioned by another poster

[BADecker]

omg! does it mean that when somebody decides to store some child porn in this decentralized dystopia of yours, everybody in the network will have some child porn on his pc?

Yep. It's a distinct possibility. However, if your computer has any porn on it this way, nobody will know it, because it will be encrypted and chunked.

as a normal citizen, my concern already starts with the fact that there could be child porn on my computer and my activities could support child abuse. it does not start with the question whether somebody is able to discover this kind of sick content on my computer.

See: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579424.msg6354242#msg6354242.

[BADecker]

The issue is whether or not you are going to live among modern society. ALL fiat currency is involved with distasteful and illegal activity. ALL government is serving and is served by distasteful and illegal activity. While MaidSafe might allow distasteful and illegal activity, it eventually will slow the governments way down, and this will slow the distasteful and illegal activity way down.

If you really hate unethical, immoral and illegal activity, start to do something about it. If you can't stand to even hear about it, you are totally in the wrong forum, the wrong society, and maybe in the wrong life.

Just remember, if there are other people wherever you go, there will ALWAYS be at least a smattering of BAD activity. You can't get away from it.

[crunchynut]

so your only argument is "yes, maidsafe supports all this sick stuff, but the government is hitler!!!" seriously?

[TaunSew]

so your only argument is "yes, maidsafe supports all this sick stuff, but the government is hitler!!!" seriously?

It's a red herring argument.  All this Maidsafe stuff is all about encouraging immoral activity.

[BADecker]

so your only argument is "yes, maidsafe supports all this sick stuff, but the government is hitler!!!" seriously?

Maidsafe works with anyone that works with it. This means that it will be supporting good at times and evil at other times.

Government deceptively brought the debt fiat currency system into being. This money method allows way more corruption and evil than Maidsafe could ever think of doing.

With MaidSafe, people will at least have the privacy so that they can join together and stamp out the evil. But they first have to open their eyes and see what is going on around them.

[paulsonnumismatics]

MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.

I know is feeding the troll, but just one hint: The data will be ENCRYPTED. So no selling or accesing. ENCRYPTED.


Jesus.

[paulsonnumismatics]

I am a little worried about this issue.  I am all for the rights and freedoms of people to do what they want, but when it comes to hurting children, I don't approve at all nor do I want to indirectly support that kind of thing.  The first thing that came to mind with this project was drugs, porn, sex, terrorism, and gambling.  I don't know if I really want my computer to be supporting that network.  At the same time I am not sure if there is anyway to tell just what my computer is supporting or not supporting as it is all encrypted and chopped in bits.  But enabling a network to do encourage the abuse of children isn't cool at all.  I am all for being able to go to political sites and send messages to my friends without google profiling me for adds and the NSA connecting all the dots of my existence, but at what cost?  For now, I am definitely supporting the maidsafe platform and hope that internally they can find ways to deal with certain distasteful issues. 

This is a classic "system trained mind" versus a free and libertarian mind argument.

Ok, i will put it this way.

Trucks can transport porn. Can transport poker decks, alcohol and weapons. Lets ban trucks.
Boxes can contain weapons. Drugs, anthrax. Lets get rid of all the boxes in the world.
You can see child porn on an ipad. Also you can read on wikipedia how to print a knife on a 3D printer. Lets destroy apple, delete wikipedia and dont use electricity anymore.

Hope you get the point. I can host on my encrypted HHD some bits that once decrypted and uncompressed on a guy laptop is a naked child. Basically because i dont know whats on this bytes. Neither the ISP is responsible. not the camera that made the photo. Once that appears, i will be fine with police raiding the hell of the guy out. But my PC is not guilty. He is. The perpetrator of the illegal action is.

[crunchynut]

bad examples.

more accurate:
- you lend your ipad to a known child rapist because he wants to "download some stuff".
- you are a truck driver and get hired by a columbian drug cartel to "transport some stuff".
- you are a knife manufacturer and get a big order by an organization called "the children of ted bundy" because they want to "peel some stuff".
- you know that this maidsafe network will first of all be a welcome distribution network for all kind of disturbing and illegal content. still you decide to become part of it.

you're coming up with the same excuses that made the holocaust possible. "i'm not the one pulling the trigger. i'm only providing the weapon. so that's fine i guess."

[superresistant]

MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.

I know is feeding the troll, but just one hint: The data will be ENCRYPTED. So no selling or accesing. ENCRYPTED.
Jesus.

Yes I am a little bit trolling sometime but not too much here though.

If data are ENCRYPTED at a point, they must be DECRYPTED at an other.

Only MaidSafe have a total control over it, the software is NOT open-source. So yes, they can access and sell it and you have no way of knowing.

The MaidSafe Foundation, a registered charity, own the patents.

[crazy_rabbit]

Uh, we had the same discussion at the start of bitcoin and so far that seems to be working out, so why try and rehash it with this? The number of people doing bad things will be far outweighed by the good. Thats life.

[rohan1]

The project looks very interesting and ambitious ,but still need more people recognize the value.

[mastercoin_foundation]

bad examples.

more accurate:
- you lend your ipad to a known child rapist because he wants to "download some stuff".
- you are a truck driver and get hired by a columbian drug cartel to "transport some stuff".
- you are a knife manufacturer and get a big order by an organization called "the children of ted bundy" because they want to "peel some stuff".
- you know that this maidsafe network will first of all be a welcome distribution network for all kind of disturbing and illegal content. still you decide to become part of it.

you're coming up with the same excuses that made the holocaust possible. "i'm not the one pulling the trigger. i'm only providing the weapon. so that's fine i guess."

one can therefor make the same argument about bitcoin. in fact a huge portion of bitcoin tx are for gambling... so I hear

[FalconCrypto]

Can I send .5 BTC and get 8500 safecoins? Or is the minimum 1 BTC?

[EvilDave]

1.2 million in BTC for vaporware given to a charity with no legal comebacks......I really need to run an IPO.
Anyone want some EvilCoin?

Clueless as usual.

Hey, a thieving butt monkey as usual...hows ZenithCoin, Carlos?

[maidsafe]

The project looks very interesting and ambitious ,but still need more people recognize the value.

thanks. for more information:
IPO thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.0
site: http://maidsafe.net/

[crunchynut]

bad examples.

more accurate:
- you lend your ipad to a known child rapist because he wants to "download some stuff".
- you are a truck driver and get hired by a columbian drug cartel to "transport some stuff".
- you are a knife manufacturer and get a big order by an organization called "the children of ted bundy" because they want to "peel some stuff".
- you know that this maidsafe network will first of all be a welcome distribution network for all kind of disturbing and illegal content. still you decide to become part of it.

you're coming up with the same excuses that made the holocaust possible. "i'm not the one pulling the trigger. i'm only providing the weapon. so that's fine i guess."

one can therefor make the same argument about bitcoin. in fact a huge portion of bitcoin tx are for gambling... so I hear

you are right. also bitcoin has a huge gap between its flower power theory and the dirty practice. but at least (if you can call it at least) it only provides the means to anonymously pay for child porn. maidsafe however is designed to provide an infrastructure for anonymously paying/selling, storing and distributing child porn. whatever good can be done with this technology, it will be paid with 100x evil.

[FrictionlessCoin]

1.2 million in BTC for vaporware given to a charity with no legal comebacks......I really need to run an IPO.
Anyone want some EvilCoin?

Clueless as usual.

Hey, a thieving butt monkey as usual...hows ZenithCoin, Carlos?

Doing quite well.  Did you see the presentation at www.cryptocurrencyconvention.com?

I guess you also missed the Safecoin presentation too.   

[2Kool4Skewl]

Why would I want to pay for their decentralized internet?

Haven't people heard of I2P?

[FrictionlessCoin]

Why would I want to pay for their decentralized internet?

Haven't people heard of I2P?

Why would anyone pay for Nxt?

Haven't people heard of Bitcoin?

[2Kool4Skewl]

Why would I want to pay for their decentralized internet?

Haven't people heard of I2P?

Why would anyone pay for Nxt?

Haven't people heard of Bitcoin?

Because NXT has a completely different feature set than bitcoin and is designed to be a multi-currency payment platform where Bitcoin is more suited to be a crypto-commodity.

What advantages does Maidsafe have over I2P?

[FrictionlessCoin]

Why would I want to pay for their decentralized internet?

Haven't people heard of I2P?

Why would anyone pay for Nxt?

Haven't people heard of Bitcoin?

Because NXT has a completely different feature set than bitcoin and is designed to be a multi-currency payment platform where Bitcoin is more suited to be a crypto-commodity.

What advantages does Maidsafe have over I2P?

Because Safecoin has a completely different feature set than I2P and is designed to be a multi-purpose P2P platform where I2P is more suited to be a commodity P2P.

[EvilDave]

1.2 million in BTC for vaporware given to a charity with no legal comebacks......I really need to run an IPO.
Anyone want some EvilCoin?

Clueless as usual.

Hey, a thieving butt monkey as usual...hows ZenithCoin, Carlos?

Doing quite well.  Did you see the presentation at www.cryptocurrencyconvention.com?

I guess you also missed the Safecoin presentation too.  

Saw Zenithcoin on coinmarketcap, tho'. "Doing quite well" is an interesting way to describe Zenithcoins performance.
24hour trade volume of $7.....I am impressed. Still, 134th is better than it's usual position at 220th or lower. Good pump, mate.

[maidsafe]

Why would I want to pay for their decentralized internet?

Haven't people heard of I2P?

Why would anyone pay for Nxt?

Haven't people heard of Bitcoin?

Because NXT has a completely different feature set than bitcoin and is designed to be a multi-currency payment platform where Bitcoin is more suited to be a crypto-commodity.

What advantages does Maidsafe have over I2P?

Because Safecoin has a completely different feature set than I2P and is designed to be a multi-purpose P2P platform where I2P is more suited to be a commodity P2P.

i appreciate your comment.
you guys can go the IPO thread to discuss and get timely information.
IPO thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.0
site: http://maidsafe.net/

[Thunderson]

I dont think this coin will make any real progress in the near future.
Maybe not a scam but kinds fishy

[2Kool4Skewl]

Why would I want to pay for their decentralized internet?

Haven't people heard of I2P?

Why would anyone pay for Nxt?

Haven't people heard of Bitcoin?

Because NXT has a completely different feature set than bitcoin and is designed to be a multi-currency payment platform where Bitcoin is more suited to be a crypto-commodity.

What advantages does Maidsafe have over I2P?

Because Safecoin has a completely different feature set than I2P and is designed to be a multi-purpose P2P platform where I2P is more suited to be a commodity P2P.

That makes no sense.

[superresistant]

Why would I want to pay for their decentralized internet?
Haven't people heard of I2P?

Why would anyone pay for Nxt?
Haven't people heard of Bitcoin?

Because NXT has a completely different feature set than bitcoin and is designed to be a multi-currency payment platform where Bitcoin is more suited to be a crypto-commodity.
What advantages does Maidsafe have over I2P?

Because Safecoin has a completely different feature set than I2P and is designed to be a multi-purpose P2P platform where I2P is more suited to be a commodity P2P.

That makes no sense.

Yeah. People pay few millions dollars for something that is 14 years old and always been free.
Do you google sometime people ?

Freenet :

Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication. It uses a decentralized distributed data store to store information, and has a suite of free software for working with this data store. Both Freenet and some of its associated tools were originally designed by Ian Clarke, who defines Freenet's goal as providing freedom of speech with strong anonymity protection.

Freenet works by storing small encrypted snippets of content distributed on the computers of its users and connecting only through intermediate computers which pass on requests for content and sending them back without knowing the contents of the full file, similar to how routers on the Internet route packets without knowing anything about files—except with caching, a layer of strong encryption, and without reliance on centralized structures. This allows users to publish anonymously or retrieve various kinds of information. Freenet has been under continuous development since 2000.

I2p :

The Invisible Internet Project (I2P) is a computer network layer that allows applications to send messages to each other pseudonymously and securely. Uses include anonymous web surfing, chatting, blogging and file transfers. The software that implements this layer is called an I2P router and a computer running I2P is called an I2P node.

The software is free and open source and is published under multiple licenses. The name I2P is derived from Invisible Internet Project, which, in pseudo-mathematical notation, is represented as I²P.
Since I2P is an anonymous network layer, it is designed so other software can use it for anonymous communication. As such there are a variety of tools currently available for I2P or in development.

The I2P router is controlled through the router console which is a web frontend accessed through a web browser.

[theFork]

maidsafe does a dropbox approach rather than i2p/freenet, Eg easy to use, plus if i grok it right maidsafe can be built upon, eg apps etc....

[SlyWax]

Maidsafe adds a coin to the equation and some way to login and change your content (and maybe some other things).

The coin part could be what is missing to FreeNet to go viral.
Having another open-source project with similar functionality but different features can't hurt !

[FrictionlessCoin]

maidsafe does a dropbox approach rather than i2p/freenet, Eg easy to use, plus if i grok it right maidsafe can be built upon, eg apps etc....

It's like CleverSafe ( see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleversafe ) however it uses a crypto-currency to pay providers for hosting storage.

Folks comparing it to I2P and FreeNet are way off the mark.  

With Bitcoin, miners are paid to secure the validation of transactions.

With SafeCoin, farmers are paid to provide storage.

Imagine all that money and energy spent to secure bitcoin and instead used to provide value in a storage network that is private.   The value proposition is plain and simple.  If you don't get it, then you don't get it!

[FrictionlessCoin]

Saw Zenithcoin on coinmarketcap, tho'. "Doing quite well" is an interesting way to describe Zenithcoins performance.
24hour trade volume of $7.....I am impressed. Still, 134th is better than it's usual position at 220th or lower. Good pump, mate.

I am just the developer of ZenithCoin,  it was sold months ago to a new owner.  The new owner has some very promising plans.   So when I refer to 'doing quite well',  I refer to the deal making that is going on behind the scenes.

[theFork]

when you think about it maidsafe is like a bot net, except you knowingly install/unistall the bot net, and it pays you to run it.

[FrictionlessCoin]

when you think about it maidsafe is like a bot net, except you knowing install the bot net, and it pays you to do it.

It is a distributed storage network.  Unless you are a farmer, then you don't participate in providing storage.  Just like a person with a bitcoin wallet doesn't participate in mining. 

From the point of view of a user,  it is like dropbox but isn't owned by a single company.   

Unlike the BitTorrent P2P network,  storage nodes get paid coins.

[go1111111]

This is my official prediction that the MaidSafe project will end badly, perhaps similarly to what happened with Neo and Bee.

Check out the LTB interview with David Irvine: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/ltb103-seek-and-find . Stephanie asks about the coin distribution at 20:35. Note how David starts speaking in vague, feel-good platitudes. This isn't generally how honest people behave. He's protesting a bit too much about how pure his intentions are.

Some more evidence if sketchiness: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/20/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/

As of right now, the Safecoin fundraising address has raised 6,691 BTC in the past few days.

It's kind of sketchy how fawning the LTB interview of Irvine was, and how they gave this guy such a big platform to hype his product right before his big fundraiser without asking any tough questions.





 

[crazy_rabbit]

This is my official prediction that the MaidSafe project will end badly, perhaps similarly to what happened with Neo and Bee.

Check out the LTB interview with David Irvine: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/ltb103-seek-and-find . Stephanie asks about the coin distribution at 20:35. Note how David starts speaking in vague, feel-good platitudes. This isn't generally how honest people behave. He's protesting a bit too much about how pure his intentions are.

Some more evidence if sketchiness: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/20/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/

As of right now, the Safecoin fundraising address has raised 6,691 BTC in the past few days.

It's kind of sketchy how fawning the LTB interview of Irvine was, and how they gave this guy such a big platform to hype his product right before his big fundraiser without asking any tough questions.

Who knows. It is quite ambitious but considering the amount of money they have raised, maybe it's possible. Of course, invest only what you can afford to lose. I put in a couple bitcoins, but I would have put more if it was Zuckerberg doing it or something. :-)

Lets see. If they horribly mismanage the project I suspect people could still come after them legally. But even failed projects in bitcoin history have advanced the bitcoin cause, so even a failure to achieve their goals fully might still be a step forward for all of us.

[EvilDave]

I have a question:

MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?

So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.

Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?

[superresistant]

I have a question:

MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?

So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?

Exactly.

If you consider the fact that the competition for money will centralize all the network in few locations with the best performance and highest bandwidth (like in all crypto), you can be sure that there is a risk of losing data.

[jabo38]

I have a question:

MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?

So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.

Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?

I am not a developer.  In fact very far from it.  From what I read is that they will always try to maintain at least 4 copies of any file.  So if one computer drops out, 3 are left and then the network will instantly try to make a 4th copy somewhere else.   So people will always be dropping out, but most of the farmers will be leaving their machines on all the time and so it'll be hard for 4 copies to go down exactly at once.  But yes, if they do, a person would have to wait until one of them hopefully turned their farmer back on.  

[liondani]

MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.

I know is feeding the troll, but just one hint: The data will be ENCRYPTED. So no selling or accesing. ENCRYPTED.


Jesus.

If someone encrypt something I suppose they can decrypt it also...
Encrypted for us the users... not for them... did I miss something?

[dirvine]

MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.

I know is feeding the troll, but just one hint: The data will be ENCRYPTED. So no selling or accesing. ENCRYPTED.


Jesus.

If someone encrypt something I suppose they can decrypt it also...
Encrypted for us the users... not for them... did I miss something?

The encryption is all handled client side and explained in the papers and in the code (encrypt library). It is a form of convergent encryption and chunking. The network cannot decrypt the data, neither could any human without the keys (barring of course some massive code error etc. like any system). The code is all open source and audited by many devs universities and other parties. You can take a look and see how we have done some of these things, it is pretty good we think.

The point of the whole thing is you are in control, you and the machine, no humans and no intermediaries. That is a more natural way to work and very scalable.

[FrictionlessCoin]

MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.

I know is feeding the troll, but just one hint: The data will be ENCRYPTED. So no selling or accesing. ENCRYPTED.


Jesus.

If someone encrypt something I suppose they can decrypt it also...
Encrypted for us the users... not for them... did I miss something?

The encryption is all handled client side and explained in the papers and in the code (encrypt library). It is a form of convergent encryption and chunking. The network cannot decrypt the data, neither could any human without the keys (barring of course some massive code error etc. like any system). The code is all open source and audited by many devs universities and other parties. You can take a look and see how we have done some of these things, it is pretty good we think.

The point of the whole thing is you are in control, you and the machine, no humans and no intermediaries. That is a more natural way to work and very scalable.

Can you comment how the data dispersion algorithm differs from Cleversafe?

[FrictionlessCoin]

I have a question:

MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?

So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?

Exactly.

If you consider the fact that the competition for money will centralize all the network in few locations with the best performance and highest bandwidth (like in all crypto), you can be sure that there is a risk of losing data.

The Proof of Resource calculations appear to incentivize Quality of Service, so an unreliable node will tend to be avoided.  Furthermore, there is a level of replication such that even if nodes fail, the data will always be available in other nodes.  100% guarantee however is likely not possible.  I think however we are working with very low probabilities here with the data being striped and mirrored. 

[dirvine]

I have a question:

MaidSafe is, in theory, going to provide an encrypted, p2p distributed dropbox functionality, correct?

So how is MS going to provide guaranteed 24/7 access to clients data?
Farmers will provide storage space, and recieve SafeCoin as an award, but these guys are mostly not going to be IT pro's who can guarantee 99.9% uptime.
How will MS deal with a farmer that drops out, taking the stored MS data on his/her hard drive with them ?
The only option that I see to come close to guaranteeing 100% uptime of individual clients data will be to stripe/mirror that data over multiple farmers, but even that still doesn't give 100% certainty that all of the data will be online and accessible at any given moment, and will massively increase the amount of storage needed on the MS network.
Anyone have any idea how this will be implemented?

Exactly.

If you consider the fact that the competition for money will centralize all the network in few locations with the best performance and highest bandwidth (like in all crypto), you can be sure that there is a risk of losing data.

 

The Proof of Resource calculations appear to incentivize Quality of Service, so an unreliable node will tend to be avoided.  Furthermore, there is a level of replication such that even if nodes fail, the data will always be available in other nodes.  100% guarantee however is likely not possible.  I think however we are working with very low probabilities here with the data being striped and mirrored. 

Excellent opinion, all of the network is a probability matrix really. I suppose all crypto is as well. The key as you rightly point out is to make the probability of loss or collision so low it is negligible over a huge timescale. It is hard to get your head around this for some people, me included at the start, as you think cpu == 100% correct math all the time. It's just not true in real life, everything is a probability and this is an excellent point, well made.

Thanks (btw address space is 2^512 so larger than the number of atoms in visible universe almost squared, not always good to use that number but a good starting point in the thought process)

[MadisonC]

How come nobody's talking about this? http://maidsafe.net
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)

Maidsafe raised the amount is too big, hope maidsafe can develop better

[dirvine]

How come nobody's talking about this? http://maidsafe.net
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)

Maidsafe raised the amount is too big, hope maidsafe can develop better

The point is it is not maidsafe any more. MaidSafe is now part of a huge community and one that grows each day now. The community are taking over creating forums, looking at and testing code and networks and developing applications. The raise will pay for some of this, so MaidSafe will be using some money to set up competitors in core development, which is great.

We are proud members of the maidsafe community and believe this is true open source, open development and real decentralisation. We have a huge job to do in the next few months to kick off the network and help some devs get their apps on line, we will become less important very soon. We should all celebrate this way of working, it is decentralisation and a business model that may prove to be radical and copied by many. Of course we all see the dangers etc. but nobody got anywhere without moving things forward, lets see what's round the next corner :-)

[crimealone]

You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.

[dirvine]

MaidSafe will have access to your data any time, will be able to sell it and I think they will do as they are greedy as hell.

I know is feeding the troll, but just one hint: The data will be ENCRYPTED. So no selling or accesing. ENCRYPTED.


Jesus.

If someone encrypt something I suppose they can decrypt it also...
Encrypted for us the users... not for them... did I miss something?

The encryption is all handled client side and explained in the papers and in the code (encrypt library). It is a form of convergent encryption and chunking. The network cannot decrypt the data, neither could any human without the keys (barring of course some massive code error etc. like any system). The code is all open source and audited by many devs universities and other parties. You can take a look and see how we have done some of these things, it is pretty good we think.

The point of the whole thing is you are in control, you and the machine, no humans and no intermediaries. That is a more natural way to work and very scalable.

Can you comment how the data dispersion algorithm differs from Cleversafe?

Not really, I am not sure the source is available for that. I see they use FEC, we do not, instead we use replication, and we disperse data randomly across a DHT Address space with replication and failover techniques involving account synchronisation and an accumulator pattern.

[EvilDave]

You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.

?

What did they do? The IPO went a bit twisted with the whole MSC/BTC conversion thing, but immoral ?
People are free to invest in whatever they like.....I I dont really see where you're going with this.



My next question, the elephant in the room: illegal content.

How is MS going to deal with this issue ?

I'm going to assume that individual users data will be encrypted, split and then distributed to the network, so that no single farmer will be hosting a complete copy of an individual users data. This will mean that any individual farmers drive will contain a mix of random chunks of various users data. This also means that no farmer will be hosting complete copies of illegal content, (hopefully, otherwise in deep shit)  but will open up all MS farmers/users and MS itself to government/law-enforcement scrutiny on this point.

I really cant see law enforcement allowing MS to roll this out without providing a backdoor for them to access/check content, but allowing a backdoor will kill the central points of security and anonymity. Has MS given any thought to this?

You can tell that NXT discussed this stuff a while ago.....

[templar77]

Hm, nice investigation. But who would send funds with open comments like that? Anyway, the 64 000 is a lot, but considering that a guy just paid 10 000 BTC for two pizzas a few years ago, it´s possible that an early adopter/miner has such a big stake.
Or those are the guys that stole the bitcoins from MtGox, as they also have to make "legal" bitcoins out of it somehow.

No, I just confirmed it. This are Mtgox's Bitcoins
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=400&filter=0 - MaidSafe
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KzHa54Qt7V75VmEsSjP2MddPxb7Mwr1fc
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Hi2bwsu3W3h7UDrbNUuxRG4x4s4HxtWo7
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1BH8FS6Yd9WvPZ1LDDWNpqXdzX8Q3freL9
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KGA7TLtUwjZuM5fyyYwGXfviPJdVCc8rY
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1TCEZsNRhcmx4jBtZr7jt1yM59dJXZKoe - 64,000 BTC
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Drt3c8pSdrkyjuBiwVcSSixZwQtMZ3Tew - Mtgox

LOL

Did you really think that ALL the BTC invested in MaidSafe where from real people ?

Come on...

I'm a fucking genius

I discovered this cause the movements were similar to Karpele's bot

[dirvine]

You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.

I'm going to assume that individual users data will be encrypted, split and then distributed to the network, so that no single farmer will be hosting a complete copy of an individual users data. This will mean that any individual farmers drive will contain a mix of random chunks of various users data. This also means that no farmer will be hosting complete copies of illegal content, (hopefully, otherwise in deep shit)  but will open up all MS farmers/users and MS itself to government/law-enforcement scrutiny on this point.

I really cant see law enforcement allowing MS to roll this out without providing a backdoor for them to access/check content, but allowing a backdoor will kill the central points of security and anonymity. Has MS given any thought to this?

Yes, the data is always encrypted chunked compressed and obfuscated. A huge part of the crowd sale was the importance of making this a global community. So the community are now taking over, creating their own forums etc. We will assist in setting up international independent dev pools. This is our best protection as the code becomes more community owned and importantly community driven. When we have devs from all over the place working on the core then we will be protected against such issues. I would hope if MaidSafe were forced to put in a backdoor

1: I would certainly quit immediately

2: I think many, if not all staff would do likewise

3: The community would detect this and ban us from any repository immediately.

I have said to many people this is evolution, you cannot stop evolution. We all need to change our ways as new tech happens (bitcoin for instance). Sometimes the harder the man pushes the tougher the crowd becomes. I think natural evolution will give us a free Internet and this is our shot at it. Somebody else may do it better and that is cool, as long as it happens.  

[jabo38]

With it being open source and developers from all over looking at the code to build apps on the platform that there won't be a back door for the NSA.  That is the beauty of open source. 

[herzmeister]

Furthermore, there is a level of replication such that even if nodes fail, the data will always be available in other nodes.  100% guarantee however is likely not possible.

100% isn't possible with centralized services either, almost by definition. Typical webhosts at best reach their advertised 99.9% uptime. Dropbox's servers could be hit by a nucular 'splosion. 

This is just a natural circumstance as long as we live in a material world.

The best way to make sure the safety of your own data in such P2P systems like MaidSafe is just to safe-keep them as a local copy (as you probably would anyway). That way you'll still have them and you'll be the last remaining and perfectly valid node if you're the only survivor of an apocalypse.

[FrictionlessCoin]

You guys are all talking about tech specifications. No one cares about morality, about what they have done.

I'm going to assume that individual users data will be encrypted, split and then distributed to the network, so that no single farmer will be hosting a complete copy of an individual users data. This will mean that any individual farmers drive will contain a mix of random chunks of various users data. This also means that no farmer will be hosting complete copies of illegal content, (hopefully, otherwise in deep shit)  but will open up all MS farmers/users and MS itself to government/law-enforcement scrutiny on this point.

I really cant see law enforcement allowing MS to roll this out without providing a backdoor for them to access/check content, but allowing a backdoor will kill the central points of security and anonymity. Has MS given any thought to this?

Yes, the data is always encrypted chunked compressed and obfuscated. A huge part of the crowd sale was the importance of making this a global community. So the community are now taking over, creating their own forums etc. We will assist in setting up international independent dev pools. This is our best protection as the code becomes more community owned and importantly community driven. When we have devs from all over the place working on the core then we will be protected against such issues. I would hope if MaidSafe were forced to put in a backdoor

1: I would certainly quit immediately

2: I think many, if not all staff would do likewise

3: The community would detect this and ban us from any repository immediately.

I have said to many people this is evolution, you cannot stop evolution. We all need to change our ways as new tech happens (bitcoin for instance). Sometimes the harder the man pushes the tougher the crowd becomes. I think natural evolution will give us a free Internet and this is our shot at it. Somebody else may do it better and that is cool, as long as it happens.  

What is not clear to me here is the notion of apps?  I can see apps that use maidsafe as its storage / backup mechanism,  however does this network support arbitrary apps on a  decentralized manner?

[BADecker]

Along the present, more practical lines, when are my Safecoins going to show up in my Masterchest wallet?

If that's not how it works, how do I access my Safecoins?

[crunchynut]

With it being open source and developers from all over looking at the code to build apps on the platform that there won't be a back door for the NSA.  That is the beauty of open source.  

it took 2 years before the heartbleed "bug" was discovered. tell me more about the beauty of open source.

[fran2k]

Ipo is too expensive and they are manipulate the market. The latter one makes people whether this project is just a scam in order to pump MSC.

This. The have no idea on how to price the safecoins in the future, "the market will found out" they said.

[theFork]

What is not clear to me here is the notion of apps?  I can see apps that use maidsafe as its storage / backup mechanism,  however does this network support arbitrary apps on a  decentralized manner?

I think the apps can be built to make api calls to data sets.

aslo the the other person ITT
you wont be able to prove that anyone stores anything on maid safe due to end to end encryption.

[EvilDave]

Going back to the legal aspects: i wouldn't worry about the NSA too much. If they want access, they'll get it. Probably already have, given the age of the project.
And providing that you aren't tagged as a "terrorist" by the US gov, it shouldn't be a problem for the average user or Maidsafe itself

I'd be more worried about Sony, tbh. Every dropbox system ever created has been used by the warez scene (remember the Yahoo Briefcase, godabuzz fans?) and an encrypted, decentralised, anonymous storage system certainly offers possiblities for the illegal sharing of copyright content.
If Sony (or any other big music/software/movie company) felt that MS was stepping on their toes in any way, the central core of the MS project will be an easy legal target, and Sony has resources that make the $12 million (?) from the IPO look like coffee money.
.
The same problem also arises with law enforcement /police agencies: individual users may well be able to remain relatively anonymous, but the public head of the MS project is always going to be an easy target.

Any MS guys with ideas about this ?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Hm, nice investigation. But who would send funds with open comments like that? Anyway, the 64 000 is a lot, but considering that a guy just paid 10 000 BTC for two pizzas a few years ago, it´s possible that an early adopter/miner has such a big stake.
Or those are the guys that stole the bitcoins from MtGox, as they also have to make "legal" bitcoins out of it somehow.

No, I just confirmed it. This are Mtgox's Bitcoins
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=400&filter=0 - MaidSafe
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KzHa54Qt7V75VmEsSjP2MddPxb7Mwr1fc
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Hi2bwsu3W3h7UDrbNUuxRG4x4s4HxtWo7
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1BH8FS6Yd9WvPZ1LDDWNpqXdzX8Q3freL9
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KGA7TLtUwjZuM5fyyYwGXfviPJdVCc8rY
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1TCEZsNRhcmx4jBtZr7jt1yM59dJXZKoe - 64,000 BTC
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Drt3c8pSdrkyjuBiwVcSSixZwQtMZ3Tew - Mtgox

LOL

Did you really think that ALL the BTC invested in MaidSafe where from real people ?

Come on...

I'm a fucking genius

I discovered this cause the movements were similar to Karpele's bot

SOB, I found the same independently less than an hour ago, just now finding this post.

[crazy_rabbit]

Hm, nice investigation. But who would send funds with open comments like that? Anyway, the 64 000 is a lot, but considering that a guy just paid 10 000 BTC for two pizzas a few years ago, it´s possible that an early adopter/miner has such a big stake.
Or those are the guys that stole the bitcoins from MtGox, as they also have to make "legal" bitcoins out of it somehow.

No, I just confirmed it. This are Mtgox's Bitcoins
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=400&filter=0 - MaidSafe
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KzHa54Qt7V75VmEsSjP2MddPxb7Mwr1fc
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Hi2bwsu3W3h7UDrbNUuxRG4x4s4HxtWo7
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1BH8FS6Yd9WvPZ1LDDWNpqXdzX8Q3freL9
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KGA7TLtUwjZuM5fyyYwGXfviPJdVCc8rY
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1TCEZsNRhcmx4jBtZr7jt1yM59dJXZKoe - 64,000 BTC
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Drt3c8pSdrkyjuBiwVcSSixZwQtMZ3Tew - Mtgox

LOL

Did you really think that ALL the BTC invested in MaidSafe where from real people ?

Come on...

I'm a fucking genius

I discovered this cause the movements were similar to Karpele's bot

SOB, I found the same independently less than an hour ago, just now finding this post.

It might not be what it seems: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582836.msg6375687#msg6375687

[Amph]

Why would I want to pay for their decentralized internet?

Haven't people heard of I2P?

isn't tor better?

[BADecker]

With it being open source and developers from all over looking at the code to build apps on the platform that there won't be a back door for the NSA.  That is the beauty of open source.  

it took 2 years before the heartbleed "bug" was discovered. tell me more about the beauty of open source.

Wow! I would have never guessed that something like open source heartbleed could have been found that fast.

[herzmeister]

isn't tor better?

Tor is something different. Tor tries to patch the architecture of the web, which is essentially broken. The web as we know and use it today was never designed with things like privacy and security through end-to-end encryption in mind.

What the peer-to-peer architecture of projects like MaidSafe do is they abstract content and services away from (physical) web servers. Just like with BitTorrent, you just want to see the latest movie or cat video and you don't (want to) care if it's located on a server called "youtube.com" in California (or "fuckit8df9zs8dfz9s.onion" for that matter). Here it's rather that content, media, services and also "apps" will be searchable by tags and names (namecoin?) and be streamed to you through peers in an encrypted P2P cloud.

[Swordsoffreedom]

So I forgot to ask but how long until we see this working in practice now that the IPO's are closed
Aka how long to build the stage now with the funding completed.

[Matthewang]

How come nobody's talking about this? http://maidsafe.net
Looks like one of the most innovative uses of
the blockchain concept since bitcoin itself. After
all it's it just about the money ;-)

Maidsafe coin is a very innovative, but earnings should be small

[window9]

I do not think safecoin has such a high value,tons of trolls

[dirvine]

With it being open source and developers from all over looking at the code to build apps on the platform that there won't be a back door for the NSA.  That is the beauty of open source.  

it took 2 years before the heartbleed "bug" was discovered. tell me more about the beauty of open source.

the heartbleed "bug" was discovered. That the beauty of open source. [there fixed that for you]

[dirvine]

Going back to the legal aspects: i wouldn't worry about the NSA too much. If they want access, they'll get it. Probably already have, given the age of the project.
And providing that you aren't tagged as a "terrorist" by the US gov, it shouldn't be a problem for the average user or Maidsafe itself

I'd be more worried about Sony, tbh. Every dropbox system ever created has been used by the warez scene (remember the Yahoo Briefcase, godabuzz fans?) and an encrypted, decentralised, anonymous storage system certainly offers possiblities for the illegal sharing of copyright content.
If Sony (or any other big music/software/movie company) felt that MS was stepping on their toes in any way, the central core of the MS project will be an easy legal target, and Sony has resources that make the $12 million (?) from the IPO look like coffee money.
.
The same problem also arises with law enforcement /police agencies: individual users may well be able to remain relatively anonymous, but the public head of the MS project is always going to be an easy target.

Any MS guys with ideas about this ?

I am currently seen as the public head (not for long if I succeed). We have just spread this across the planet. It is all open, all owned by everyone and will be very difficult to stop. So now there is no public head, no company at the centre, this is decentralisation of the whole system. In terms of being infiltrated etc. if you knew anything at all about me (I am not being cheeky here) then you would know this was impossible for me to allow. If I quit all of a sudden then worry, I never and the code is our there. Many eyes are being trained on this now, many devs are to receive training from us and others to develop the core.

I am not money driven, so a hard target, no amount of cash could buy me off when I can see the face of some child who would be disadvantaged by not doing this. We are single entities us humans and part of a species. It is our individual duty to protect and further the species. If you can remove greed from your person you are already protected beyond belief. If the target becomes more than money, then that's the risk we take. I choose to accept that risk gladly.

My well being is irrelevant to the world when all is taken into account. The opportunity for a free privacy enhancing and secure mechanism of information transfer and protection is way more important than any single person or team. Knowing this, absolutely and with 100% conviction makes you a very difficult adversary for those who would choose to stop freedom. I believe this stance is an easy one for people to follow and adopt, the greed stance is so last century, more of us can count now, more of us are educated and more of us are building project SAFE each day.

I doubt there will be any backdoors, there may be attacks, we seen all the mt gox lies and deceit already spewed about , that only works with weak minds, I do not believe society is made up of weak minds. We can see now our eyes are opening and the path ahead should be clear. Lets take our Internet back for a start, a very small start, but a start never the less. We are taking these steps now, everyone is welcome to join, we can be legions for change and we all know this is an inevitability, no need to wonder. We will take back our freedom and dignity.

Backdoor that :-)

[EvilDave]

Going back to the legal aspects: i wouldn't worry about the NSA too much. If they want access, they'll get it. Probably already have, given the age of the project.
And providing that you aren't tagged as a "terrorist" by the US gov, it shouldn't be a problem for the average user or Maidsafe itself

I'd be more worried about Sony, tbh. Every dropbox system ever created has been used by the warez scene (remember the Yahoo Briefcase, godabuzz fans?) and an encrypted, decentralised, anonymous storage system certainly offers possiblities for the illegal sharing of copyright content.
If Sony (or any other big music/software/movie company) felt that MS was stepping on their toes in any way, the central core of the MS project will be an easy legal target, and Sony has resources that make the $12 million (?) from the IPO look like coffee money.
.
The same problem also arises with law enforcement /police agencies: individual users may well be able to remain relatively anonymous, but the public head of the MS project is always going to be an easy target.

Any MS guys with ideas about this ?

I am currently seen as the public head (not for long if I succeed). We have just spread this across the planet. It is all open, all owned by everyone and will be very difficult to stop. So now there is no public head, no company at the centre, this is decentralisation of the whole system. In terms of being infiltrated etc. if you knew anything at all about me (I am not being cheeky here) then you would know this was impossible for me to allow. If I quit all of a sudden then worry, I never and the code is our there. Many eyes are being trained on this now, many devs are to receive training from us and others to develop the core.

I am not money driven, so a hard target, no amount of cash could buy me off when I can see the face of some child who would be disadvantaged by not doing this. We are single entities us humans and part of a species. It is our individual duty to protect and further the species. If you can remove greed from your person you are already protected beyond belief. If the target becomes more than money, then that's the risk we take. I choose to accept that risk gladly.

My well being is irrelevant to the world when all is taken into account. The opportunity for a free privacy enhancing and secure mechanism of information transfer and protection is way more important than any single person or team. Knowing this, absolutely and with 100% conviction makes you a very difficult adversary for those who would choose to stop freedom. I believe this stance is an easy one for people to follow and adopt, the greed stance is so last century, more of us can count now, more of us are educated and more of us are building project SAFE each day.

I doubt there will be any backdoors, there may be attacks, we seen all the mt gox lies and deceit already spewed about , that only works with weak minds, I do not believe society is made up of weak minds. We can see now our eyes are opening and the path ahead should be clear. Lets take our Internet back for a start, a very small start, but a start never the less. We are taking these steps now, everyone is welcome to join, we can be legions for change and we all know this is an inevitability, no need to wonder. We will take back our freedom and dignity.

Backdoor that :-)

Thats me out.
Idealism is good, blind naivety not.
If you think that MS will make a real contribution to freedom in a world where many people are quite happy to kill their neighbours because of a slight difference in skin colouration/religious affiliation/ethnic background then you are sadly mistaken.

I'd prefer to see MS being based on blind greed, tbh.

And the point about being infiltrated is that the infiltrators rarely ask permission beforehand.
If MS comes up on the intelligence communities radar, they will get in somehow. Remember Stuxnet? Echelon? Snowden?
But, like I said earlier, I think you'll have more problems from Sony or possibly the cops.

[prophetx]

Going back to the legal aspects: i wouldn't worry about the NSA too much. If they want access, they'll get it. Probably already have, given the age of the project.
And providing that you aren't tagged as a "terrorist" by the US gov, it shouldn't be a problem for the average user or Maidsafe itself

I'd be more worried about Sony, tbh. Every dropbox system ever created has been used by the warez scene (remember the Yahoo Briefcase, godabuzz fans?) and an encrypted, decentralised, anonymous storage system certainly offers possiblities for the illegal sharing of copyright content.
If Sony (or any other big music/software/movie company) felt that MS was stepping on their toes in any way, the central core of the MS project will be an easy legal target, and Sony has resources that make the $12 million (?) from the IPO look like coffee money.
.
The same problem also arises with law enforcement /police agencies: individual users may well be able to remain relatively anonymous, but the public head of the MS project is always going to be an easy target.

Any MS guys with ideas about this ?

I am currently seen as the public head (not for long if I succeed). We have just spread this across the planet. It is all open, all owned by everyone and will be very difficult to stop. So now there is no public head, no company at the centre, this is decentralisation of the whole system. In terms of being infiltrated etc. if you knew anything at all about me (I am not being cheeky here) then you would know this was impossible for me to allow. If I quit all of a sudden then worry, I never and the code is our there. Many eyes are being trained on this now, many devs are to receive training from us and others to develop the core.

I am not money driven, so a hard target, no amount of cash could buy me off when I can see the face of some child who would be disadvantaged by not doing this. We are single entities us humans and part of a species. It is our individual duty to protect and further the species. If you can remove greed from your person you are already protected beyond belief. If the target becomes more than money, then that's the risk we take. I choose to accept that risk gladly.

My well being is irrelevant to the world when all is taken into account. The opportunity for a free privacy enhancing and secure mechanism of information transfer and protection is way more important than any single person or team. Knowing this, absolutely and with 100% conviction makes you a very difficult adversary for those who would choose to stop freedom. I believe this stance is an easy one for people to follow and adopt, the greed stance is so last century, more of us can count now, more of us are educated and more of us are building project SAFE each day.

I doubt there will be any backdoors, there may be attacks, we seen all the mt gox lies and deceit already spewed about , that only works with weak minds, I do not believe society is made up of weak minds. We can see now our eyes are opening and the path ahead should be clear. Lets take our Internet back for a start, a very small start, but a start never the less. We are taking these steps now, everyone is welcome to join, we can be legions for change and we all know this is an inevitability, no need to wonder. We will take back our freedom and dignity.

Backdoor that :-)

Thats me out.
Idealism is good, blind naivety not.
If you think that MS will make a real contribution to freedom in a world where many people are quite happy to kill their neighbours because of a slight difference in skin colouration/religious affiliation/ethnic background then you are sadly mistaken.

I'd prefer to see MS being based on blind greed, tbh.

And the point about being infiltrated is that the infiltrators rarely ask permission beforehand.
If MS comes up on the intelligence communities radar, they will get in somehow. Remember Stuxnet? Echelon? Snowden?
But, like I said earlier, I think you'll have more problems from Sony or possibly the cops.

so by your logic nothing is ever capable of making any real contribution to freedom.

funny that most people in the western countries are still not serfs or slaves to their aristocratic lords.

or perhaps this may just be a reflection of the people which you are surrounded by, in that case I would encourage you to make new friends as there are plenty of intelligent people who are the exact opposite of the types you describe.

[BADecker]

MaidSafe recommends that we use the EldoS Callback File System for Windows. They also seem to say that the CBFS is not necessary, but that things run better with it. All I can find about pricing for this software is in the thousands of dollars, even for a single computer.

How necessary is the CBFS?
How much better would it make the MaidSafe system run?
Are we each going to have to spend $thousands just to get MaidSafe to run on our individual computers like it should?
Or is there a free version somewhere?

https://www.eldos.com/cbfs/order.php#product
https://www.eldos.com/cbfs/price-list.php

[dirvine]

MaidSafe recommends that we use the EldoS Callback File System for Windows. They also seem to say that the CBFS is not necessary, but that things run better with it. All I can find about pricing for this software is in the thousands of dollars, even for a single computer.

How necessary is the CBFS?
How much better would it make the MaidSafe system run?
Are we each going to have to spend $thousands just to get MaidSafe to run on our individual computers like it should?
Or is there a free version somewhere?

https://www.eldos.com/cbfs/order.php#product
https://www.eldos.com/cbfs/price-list.php

You will be fine, there will be binaries provided, maidsafe purchased a license to be able to do that. It affects developers who want to do something more specific with a VFS on windows. We do hope eventually to create such a system ourselves or the community. So it wont affect users or developers, unless and dev wants a specific vfs change.

Its a current failing that windows has no open source alternative, Dokan looked good for a while but stalled. Somebody needs to create a proper fuse for windows.

[BADecker]

Any idea how long yet, before I can go to the MaidSafe site, and download the install.client.exe, and click the icon in my download folder, to install it on my Windows machine?

I'm ready to donate some bandwidth and hard drive space, especially if I'm going to get paid a little.

Thanks.



EDIT: I'm actually getting fat just sitting here waiting.

[Djentriser]

Why is this thread so dead? Any updates on progess? :O

[inBitweTrust]

Why is this thread so dead? Any updates on progess? :O

Progress definetely has slowed -
https://github.com/maidsafe
http://blog.maidsafe.net/

[herzmeister]

that's where all the action is

https://maidsafe.atlassian.net/secure/Dashboard.jspa