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Question: What is your religious affiliation? (If any)
Christianity - 27 (23.7%)
Islam - 7 (6.1%)
Agnosticism - 18 (15.8%)
Atheism - 44 (38.6%)
Buddhism - 3 (2.6%)
Other - 13 (11.4%)
Hinduism - 2 (1.8%)
Total Voters: 114

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April 29, 2014, 05:00:23 PM
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numbers are skewed.. even if all 8 million were english speakers, that's still a drop in the ocean. not to mention that muslim people, much like asians, keep their parents with them.. many of them bring their parents over to live with.
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April 29, 2014, 05:02:45 PM
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IMHO religion is the opium of the people.
Why do you think that? Are you an atheist? Or do you just hate religions overall?

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April 29, 2014, 05:03:13 PM
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numbers are skewed.. even if all 8 million were english speakers, that's still a drop in the ocean. not to mention that muslim people, much like asians, keep their parents with them.. many of them bring their parents over to live with.
That's more of a cultural thing rather than religious… You take care of your family simply, and I think that's a good thing to be honest.
But I don't get what it has to do with this though?
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April 29, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
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I don't care how many muslims are here or there. If they refuse to assimilate they should not stay here. That is the problem them. They emigrate and they live like they used to in their new home. This is not the way.
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April 29, 2014, 05:10:25 PM
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I don't care how many muslims are here or there. If they refuse to assimilate they should not stay here. That is the problem them. They emigrate and they live like they used to in their new home. This is not the way.
Let's change roles in this scenario. You are forced to flee to a random country, let's say a muslim one with a (to you) weird culture. Once you and your family are there, you're suddenly expected to speak and understand a new language, live according to that culture and just pretend that what you have gone through in your country of origin has never happened, and just let go of everything that you were and knew? Does that seem like a good way to you? Would you do so? I hardly doubt you would. Also, it should be up to oneself to decide how to live, and what culture you follow, not the country you live in.
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April 29, 2014, 05:20:59 PM
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I don't care how many muslims are here or there. If they refuse to assimilate they should not stay here. That is the problem them. They emigrate and they live like they used to in their new home. This is not the way.

Lol, shut up. Spoken like a true racist / Islamaphobe. What exactly is 'the way'? Ditch their religion, wear the same clothes as you and come round for a pint and try be your new best mate? People should be able and free to go where they want and do what they want as  long as it doesn't hurt any one else (and your feelings or dislike of their religion or clothes they wear doesn't count). When I go to predominantly Muslim countries I wear the same shit I do at home and if someone had a problem with it: Tough shit. Nobody ever has though.

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April 29, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
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some people do not possess the ability to assimilate, especially when they emigrate to this country at a late age. my grandpa was an exception; came here in his late 50's and learned how to speak english. but most peopel from poor countries have trouble with this.
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April 29, 2014, 05:37:07 PM
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I don't care how many muslims are here or there. If they refuse to assimilate they should not stay here. That is the problem them. They emigrate and they live like they used to in their new home. This is not the way.
Let's change roles in this scenario. You are forced to flee to a random country, let's say a muslim one with a (to you) weird culture. Once you and your family are there, you're suddenly expected to speak and understand a new language, live according to that culture and just pretend that what you have gone through in your country of origin has never happened, and just let go of everything that you were and knew? Does that seem like a good way to you? Would you do so? I hardly doubt you would. Also, it should be up to oneself to decide how to live, and what culture you follow, not the country you live in.

It is up to you what are your beliefs. But if you refuse to learn language, even a little bit after spending  10+ years in US is a bad sign. They are coming here and bend rules, not accept them. They impose their laws, soon we will be judged according to Sharia in our own country.
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April 29, 2014, 05:56:45 PM
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I don't care how many muslims are here or there. If they refuse to assimilate they should not stay here. That is the problem them. They emigrate and they live like they used to in their new home. This is not the way.
Let's change roles in this scenario. You are forced to flee to a random country, let's say a muslim one with a (to you) weird culture. Once you and your family are there, you're suddenly expected to speak and understand a new language, live according to that culture and just pretend that what you have gone through in your country of origin has never happened, and just let go of everything that you were and knew? Does that seem like a good way to you? Would you do so? I hardly doubt you would. Also, it should be up to oneself to decide how to live, and what culture you follow, not the country you live in.

It is up to you what are your beliefs. But if you refuse to learn language, even a little bit after spending  10+ years in US is a bad sign. They are coming here and bend rules, not accept them. They impose their laws, soon we will be judged according to Sharia in our own country.

Haha. You think the US is going to implement Sharia Law? I hear it all the time in the UK and it's just typical bullshit racist/Islamaphobic propaganda spread by plebs who know nothing. I wonder how many ex-pat Americans bother to learn the language of their new country? And do you know Native American?

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April 29, 2014, 05:58:40 PM
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I don't care how many muslims are here or there. If they refuse to assimilate they should not stay here. That is the problem them. They emigrate and they live like they used to in their new home. This is not the way.
Let's change roles in this scenario. You are forced to flee to a random country, let's say a muslim one with a (to you) weird culture. Once you and your family are there, you're suddenly expected to speak and understand a new language, live according to that culture and just pretend that what you have gone through in your country of origin has never happened, and just let go of everything that you were and knew? Does that seem like a good way to you? Would you do so? I hardly doubt you would. Also, it should be up to oneself to decide how to live, and what culture you follow, not the country you live in.

It is up to you what are your beliefs. But if you refuse to learn language, even a little bit after spending  10+ years in US is a bad sign. They are coming here and bend rules, not accept them. They impose their laws, soon we will be judged according to Sharia in our own country.
Seriously? -.-
As far as I know there's no law that says you have to speak english to be in America. How do you mean they "bend rules"? The same laws applies to everyone (with maybe a few exceptions on judging depending on religious beliefs and if the crime made was required by it). There are extremely few muslims that actually believe Sharia is the way to go. It's like Christians and Jews would start stoning people because they eat shellfish. Not may Christians or Jews think that would be good, do they?
There are always fundamentalists, but those are extremely few.
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April 29, 2014, 06:00:12 PM
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in america, if you demand people to speak english first.. it could be that you are a xenophobic white person. america isn't supposed to be about just american culture. don't fear diversity - embrace it.
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April 29, 2014, 06:03:28 PM
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in america, if you demand people to speak english first.. it could be that you are a xenophobic white person. america isn't supposed to be about just american culture. don't fear diversity - embrace it.

I think this is probably just the case, but he could be a xenophobic black person. Let's not stereotype  Cheesy.

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April 29, 2014, 06:04:20 PM
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I don't care how many muslims are here or there. If they refuse to assimilate they should not stay here. That is the problem them. They emigrate and they live like they used to in their new home. This is not the way.

OK... will agree with that. New immigrants should assimilate to the general population, without creating any animosity from the natives. That rule apply for all immigrants, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, Animists, Shamanists and even Jedi Knights. I would prefer a melting pot system (like the one in the USA) to the salad system (like what they have in the UK).
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in america, if you demand people to speak english first.. it could be that you are a xenophobic white person. america isn't supposed to be about just american culture. don't fear diversity - embrace it.

I think this is probably just the case, but he could be a xenophobic black person. Let's not stereotype  Cheesy.

well, it's not just a stereotype.. that's the politics of the US. it's one of the reason why the right has become so extreme; they are seeing this country become less white, so billionaires who want their own laws passed send their missive down the pipeline, which is to incite fear and anger towards people who do not look like them. divide and conquer.
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IMHO religion is the opium of the people.
Why do you think that? Are you an atheist? Or do you just hate religions overall?

I'm proud to be atheist, the history says that religions have brought only wars

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IMHO religion is the opium of the people.
Why do you think that? Are you an atheist? Or do you just hate religions overall?

I'm proud to be atheist, the history says that religions have brought only wars

Stupid people and tyrants bring wars. Sometimes under the guise of religion and sometimes not. Religion is just a great propaganda tool to get their ignorant masses on your side.

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April 29, 2014, 06:28:11 PM
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IMHO religion is the opium of the people.
Why do you think that? Are you an atheist? Or do you just hate religions overall?

I'm proud to be atheist, the history says that religions have brought only wars
And it has brought unity between peoples as well. And made this life tolerable during hard times with starvation and wars (both those that were not based on religious beliefs, and those based on religious beliefs).
"Religions have only brought wars" is not a valid argument, since that would be like saying something like: "Opinions have only brought wars", which would be a lie. Stupid things has been done in the name of religion, but all major religions preaches peace.
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Where's the 'lol religion' option?  Cheesy
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Where's the 'lol religion' option?  Cheesy

there should be a "I don't religion" option Cheesy

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Where's the 'lol religion' option?  Cheesy

there should be a "I don't religion" option Cheesy

Well, that's called atheism right?  Tongue
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