Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again?

[deisik]

Well, to be fair to Romania, it was not Hitler's ally by its own volition.

How's that?

[niothor]

Well, to be fair to Romania, it was not Hitler's ally by its own volition.

How's that?

In 1940, Romania's territorial gains made following World War I were largely undone. In July, after a Soviet ultimatum, Romania agreed to give up Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina. Two thirds of Bessarabia were combined with a small part of the Soviet Union to form the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic. The rest (Northern Bukovina, northern half of the Hotin county and Budjak) was apportioned to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Shortly thereafter, on 30 August, under the Second Vienna Award, Germany and Italy mediated a compromise between Romania and the Kingdom of Hungary: Hungary received a region referred to as "Northern Transylvania", while "Southern Transylvania" remained part of Romania. Hungary had returned all of Transylvania after World War I in the Treaty of Trianon. On 7 September, under the Treaty of Craiova, Southern Dobruja (which Bulgaria had lost after the Romanian invasion during the Second Balkan War in 1913), was ceded to Bulgaria under pressure from Germany.

I think this clears any doubt about "own volition".

Also I was replying to Bryant comment and his line:

"As long as the Eastern Europeans are OK with the American military presence on their soil, I am not complaining. "


edit:
added this:

On 8 October German troops began crossing into Romania. They soon numbered over 500,000.

On 23 November Romania joined the Axis powers.

Although Wikipedia is wrong about this , the troops started crossing into the new Romanian borders only at the begging of November , but still before romania actually joined the axis.

[niothor]

Well, to be fair to Romania, it was not Hitler's ally by its own volition.

On the other hand, "Russia is threatening the eastern block with it's gas". Do you mean, "asking for the debt for already-delivered gas to be paid". Or did you mean something else that slipped my attention? Last time I checked Lithuania got quite a good gas deal with Russia. So did Poland.

And what "Eastern block" are you talking about? Don't forget, you are now NATO.

No , I was talking about threatening with cutting the gas supply.
Romania has no debts and it never went overdue with the payment.

But there is always a stupid  russian with too much vodka on board and to high in the the government that threatens to cut the gas with no reasons , just to show "how might" the russian empire is.

That doesn't help too much.

[Trading]

Well, to be fair to Romania, it was not Hitler's ally by its own volition.

How's that?

Yes, I was surprised too. I think it was the first post I read by a russian member of the forum that made a clearly effort to be unbiased, even sympathetic on an issue involving Russia, against russian historical interests.

[deisik]

Well, to be fair to Romania, it was not Hitler's ally by its own volition.

On the other hand, "Russia is threatening the eastern block with it's gas". Do you mean, "asking for the debt for already-delivered gas to be paid". Or did you mean something else that slipped my attention? Last time I checked Lithuania got quite a good gas deal with Russia. So did Poland.

And what "Eastern block" are you talking about? Don't forget, you are now NATO.

No , I was talking about threatening with cutting the gas supply.
Romania has no debts and it never went overdue with the payment.

But there is always a stupid  russian with too much vodka on board and to high in the the government that threatens to cut the gas with no reasons , just to show "how might" the russian empire is.

That doesn't help too much.

Whom are you actually talking about?

[deisik]

Well, to be fair to Romania, it was not Hitler's ally by its own volition.

How's that?

In 1940, Romania's territorial gains made following World War I were largely undone. In July, after a Soviet ultimatum, Romania agreed to give up Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina. Two thirds of Bessarabia were combined with a small part of the Soviet Union to form the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic. The rest (Northern Bukovina, northern half of the Hotin county and Budjak) was apportioned to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Shortly thereafter, on 30 August, under the Second Vienna Award, Germany and Italy mediated a compromise between Romania and the Kingdom of Hungary: Hungary received a region referred to as "Northern Transylvania", while "Southern Transylvania" remained part of Romania. Hungary had returned all of Transylvania after World War I in the Treaty of Trianon. On 7 September, under the Treaty of Craiova, Southern Dobruja (which Bulgaria had lost after the Romanian invasion during the Second Balkan War in 1913), was ceded to Bulgaria under pressure from Germany.

I think this clears any doubt about "own volition"

No, it doesn't. To be an ally (in the true sense of the word without reservations) against one's free will sounds oxymoronic to me...

[niothor]

Well, to be fair to Romania, it was not Hitler's ally by its own volition.

On the other hand, "Russia is threatening the eastern block with it's gas". Do you mean, "asking for the debt for already-delivered gas to be paid". Or did you mean something else that slipped my attention? Last time I checked Lithuania got quite a good gas deal with Russia. So did Poland.

And what "Eastern block" are you talking about? Don't forget, you are now NATO.

No , I was talking about threatening with cutting the gas supply.
Romania has no debts and it never went overdue with the payment.

But there is always a stupid  russian with too much vodka on board and to high in the the government that threatens to cut the gas with no reasons , just to show "how might" the russian empire is.

That doesn't help too much.

Whom are you actually talking about?

Dmitry Rogozin and his damn twitter account:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin

[deisik]

Well, to be fair to Romania, it was not Hitler's ally by its own volition.

On the other hand, "Russia is threatening the eastern block with it's gas". Do you mean, "asking for the debt for already-delivered gas to be paid". Or did you mean something else that slipped my attention? Last time I checked Lithuania got quite a good gas deal with Russia. So did Poland.

And what "Eastern block" are you talking about? Don't forget, you are now NATO.

No , I was talking about threatening with cutting the gas supply.
Romania has no debts and it never went overdue with the payment.

But there is always a stupid  russian with too much vodka on board and to high in the the government that threatens to cut the gas with no reasons , just to show "how might" the russian empire is.

That doesn't help too much.

Whom are you actually talking about?

Dmitry Rogozin and his damn twitter account:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin

I guessed right. Don't take him seriously (he has no real power)... 

[niothor]

I guessed right. Don't take him seriously (he has no real power)... 

Whenever this guy talks there is another idiot here in the local press that somehow "manages" to write his position like being the prime minister , not the deputy prime minister of the government.

And you obviously understand the reactions from people listening to the news and not digging deeper.

[Nemo1024]

NATO's Rassmussen said that NATO's expansion to the East is not a breach of earlier agreements with Russia, where NATO promised not to expand to the East:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/379455

[Balthazar]

Well, to be fair to Romania, it was not Hitler's ally by its own volition.

On the other hand, "Russia is threatening the eastern block with it's gas". Do you mean, "asking for the debt for already-delivered gas to be paid". Or did you mean something else that slipped my attention? Last time I checked Lithuania got quite a good gas deal with Russia. So did Poland.

And what "Eastern block" are you talking about? Don't forget, you are now NATO.

No , I was talking about threatening with cutting the gas supply.
Romania has no debts and it never went overdue with the payment.

But there is always a stupid  russian with too much vodka on board and to high in the the government that threatens to cut the gas with no reasons , just to show "how might" the russian empire is.

That doesn't help too much.

Whom are you actually talking about?

Dmitry Rogozin and his damn twitter account:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin

I guessed right. Don't take him seriously (he has no real power)...  

Actually he have some quite real power, you can see a description of his responsibilities on the government site.

http://government.ru/gov/responsibilities/

Usage of strategic bombers is not within his competence. But it won't stop him from trolling, of course.

[niothor]

Actually he have some quite real power, you can see a description of his responsibilities on the government site.

http://government.ru/gov/responsibilities/

Usage of strategic bombers is not within his competence. But it won't stop him from trolling, of course.

Could you please translate this one:

oбycтpoйcтвa гocyдapcтвeннoй гpaницы Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции;

I learned the bits of russian too long ago to understand it and google translate makes a mess of it.

What the hell does it really mean when it comes to real life execution?

[Nemo1024]

Develping of state borders of Russian Federation.

Basically supervise all that is listed here:
http://www.rosgranitsa.ru/ru/activity

In English:
http://www.rosgranitsa.ru/en

Rosgranitsa is responsible for developing and realizing the state policy, legal regulation, managing the state property and functions of a federal public contracting authority, rendering of the state services in the area of arrangement of the border crossing checkpoints of the Russian Federation.

[Balthazar]

Actually he have some quite real power, you can see a description of his responsibilities on the government site.

http://government.ru/gov/responsibilities/

Usage of strategic bombers is not within his competence. But it won't stop him from trolling, of course.

Could you please translate this one:

oбycтpoйcтвa гocyдapcтвeннoй гpaницы Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции;

I learned the bits of russian too long ago to understand it and google translate makes a mess of it.

What the hell does it really mean when it comes to real life execution?

It's about infrastructure of state borders. There are some proper measures which have to be applied when new border appears. Organization of checkpoints operation, construction of border outposts, mining of adjacent areas if necessary.

[niothor]

Actually he have some quite real power, you can see a description of his responsibilities on the government site.

http://government.ru/gov/responsibilities/

Usage of strategic bombers is not within his competence. But it won't stop him from trolling, of course.

Could you please translate this one:

oбycтpoйcтвa гocyдapcтвeннoй гpaницы Poccийcкoй Фeдepaции;

I learned the bits of russian too long ago to understand it and google translate makes a mess of it.

What the hell does it really mean when it comes to real life execution?

It's about infrastructure of state borders. Organization of checkpoints operation, construction of border outposts, mining of adjacent areas if necessary.

Develping of state borders of Russian Federation.

Basically supervise all that is listed here:
http://www.rosgranitsa.ru/ru/activity

In English:
http://www.rosgranitsa.ru/en

Rosgranitsa is responsible for developing and realizing the state policy, legal regulation, managing the state property and functions of a federal public contracting authority, rendering of the state services in the area of arrangement of the border crossing checkpoints of the Russian Federation.

Thanks for the explanation..
Development of state borders sounded a bit weird to me:).

But really , this guy with his temperament got the most unlikely responsibilities you're going to give to such a guy.
Wonder how they missed nuclear program supervision from that list.

edit , no they didn't .

[Balthazar]

But really , this guy with his temperament got the most unlikely responsibilities you're going to give to such a guy.
Wonder how they missed nuclear program supervision from that list.

edit , no they didn't .

Well.. We're still alive and, unlike Ukraine, we aren't going to explode another nuclear reactor

[niothor]

But really , this guy with his temperament got the most unlikely responsibilities you're going to give to such a guy.
Wonder how they missed nuclear program supervision from that list.

edit , no they didn't .

Well.. We're still alive and, unlike Ukraine, we aren't going to explode another nuclear reactor

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the accident at Cernobil happened in the USSR , not in Ukraine .

[Balthazar]

But really , this guy with his temperament got the most unlikely responsibilities you're going to give to such a guy.
Wonder how they missed nuclear program supervision from that list.

edit , no they didn't .

Well.. We're still alive and, unlike Ukraine, we aren't going to explode another nuclear reactor

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the accident at Cernobil happened in the USSR , not in Ukraine .

It happened in Soviet Ukraine, which was a member of UN and one of the most powerful republics within USSR.   So you are partially correct here but the Chernobyl NPP was under responsibility of Kiev's authorities. By the way, there are 17 reactors belong to RBMK series. The most of them are still working while only one of them have exploded, and this have happened on the third attempt to perform an incredibly dangerous experiment. Just like they're doing now, another stupid experiment:

http://rt.com/news/159848-ukraine-nuclear-deal-westinghouse/

[niothor]

But really , this guy with his temperament got the most unlikely responsibilities you're going to give to such a guy.
Wonder how they missed nuclear program supervision from that list.

edit , no they didn't .

Well.. We're still alive and, unlike Ukraine, we aren't going to explode another nuclear reactor

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the accident at Cernobil happened in the USSR , not in Ukraine .

Yep, but Chernobyl NPP was under responsibility of Kiev's authorities.

And actually I mean something more serious:

http://rt.com/news/159848-ukraine-nuclear-deal-westinghouse/

Again the stupid rt?

I see 10 times the word american and not even once Japan.

Westinghouse Electric Company LLC is a US based nuclear power company, controlled by the Toshiba Group,.

Similar problems with Westinghouse fuel assemblies occurred at a number of other USSR-constructed nuclear power plants: NPP Krško in Slovenia, NPP Loviisa in Finland and NPP Temelin in the Czech Republic.

Krško Nuclear Power Plant
The plant is a 2-loop Westinghouse pressurized water reactor, with a rated thermal capacity of 1,994 thermal megawatts (MWt) and 696 megawatts-electric (MWe).

In the early 1970s, Tito's government of Yugoslavia recognized the need for additional electrical production in the constituent republics of Croatia and Slovenia. With a domestic source of uranium available, proposals were obtained from Siemens (Germany) and Westinghouse (USA) for a single nuclear power of a practical size. With the agreement of the U.S. government, Westinghouse won the competition to supply a plant based upon the Angra power plant being constructed in Brazil at that time

[Balthazar]

Who cares about RT and americans, I knew about these experiments before RT was launched, even before any related info was published. And lol'd at the results, because it looks like repeated attempt to step on the rakes... It's not about japan or americans, it's about ukrainian authorities and their eternal desire to risk everything for nothing.

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